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Tonight, I posted a query to the list asking for a look-up on the 1881
census. To my delight and amazement, I have already received replies from
members of this list. What a terrific group this must be; I'm so pleased I
have subscribed. Thanks so much for all your help. Again, if I can be of
assistance to anyone looking for information in Simcoe County, Ontario, I
would be happy to assist.
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Because of the extra effort you went to, I wanted to thank you on the List
for finding two of my missing ROCKLIFFE (sometimes Rockcliffe) ancestors'
birth certificates. Yes, Elizabeth Ann "Ratcliffe" and George Harry
"Radcliffe" are my Great Grandfather Benjamin's brother and sister.
Other search firms had tried and failed, but you succeeded because you took
the time to consider alternative spellings. Your diligence is a very
important part of the service you provide. That and your familiarity with
the A-u-L area and its surrounds are very valuable assets which you always
share so freely with us folks on the List.
Thanks again and best wishes,
Joan in Yonkers, NY, USA
(happily plugging in missing bits of data on PAF)
Looking for any information on a William Blevins (with possible surname variants: Bleddyn, Blethyn, Bliven, Blivens, Blethin) who was born around 1690 in Formby England.
If anyone can help please email me.
I am a new subscriber to this list and, from what I have seen so far, it
seems to be a most informative, helpful and busy group!
I sent a request to a lady that was doing census look-ups in England but she
replied saying that she no longer was able to do them. It seemed that some
of the people on this list were most generous about checking census records
for members and I wondered if someone would be so kind to check the
following on the 1881 census for me.
I am searching for information on my grandparents James Davenport and
Margaret Carrie. I am hoping to find them on the census listed with their
parents. I have copies of both of their birth registrations and will give
you all the information from them.
Parents-Thomas Davenport and Eliza Davenport (formerly Rothwell)
Profession of father-Cotton spinner
Residence (1877)-24 Raby Street, Little Bolton
Name of child born-James Davenport, 1877
The registration District was Bolton; Sub-District, Little Bolton; County
Parents- Denis Carrie and Mary Carrie (formerly Taylor)
Profession of father-Cotton carder
Residence (1876)-37 School Hill, Little Bolton
Name of child born-Margaret Carrie, 1876
The registration District was Bolton; Sub-District, Little Bolton; County
Both these families may have other children listed but I'm not sure of the
ages and not positive of the names. The Davenport family may have children
named Herbert, Margaret, Elizabeth and Mary. The Carrie family may have
children named Dennis, Ellen, Elizabeth Ann and Herbert.
I appreciate any help you may be able to give me. Up until now, I have been
doing most of my research in Canada and am anxious to get any hints about
how to proceed with research in England. I have my grandparents' marriage
record and some information about the Carrie family members (from the Ellis
Island site on-line) that emigrated to the United States but not much else.
If anyone has a connection to (or information about) the above families, I
would be delighted to hear from you.
If you have any need of look-ups in Simcoe County, Ontario, Canada, I would
be pleased to be of help.
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Lancashire Record Office have the following:
Minutes 1873 to 1947
Admission Registers 1873 to 1930
Reception Orders 1873 to 1930
Registers, reports, casebooks, reception orders, photograps, accounts, wages
This is the e-mail address to purchase birth, marriage & death certs. If you have
the ref, you have to put QR in the subject heading when ordering.
The list of codes is:
QR For applications when you are supplying the GRO index reference.
STD For applications when you are not supplying the GRO index reference.
RFD When you have a query about a refund that we have issued
RDR When you are enquiring about an order you have placed but not yet
GQ When you have another question not covered by any of the above.
Payment by credit card is presumably not secure. I do it regularly. Cost is £8 if
you have the ref.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Wood <drewood(a)wood7319.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LAN] help please
> Can anyone out there help me
> I know my graet grandfather was William Tolen I know he married in September
> 1893 the number is 8b 259
Register Offices find it virtually impossible to provide a certificate without the
name and location of the church. Your answer is to apply to:
The General Register Office,
P.O. Box 2,
Merseyside PR8 2JD
I think the cost is £8 (GPB 8). If you live in the UK you pay by cheque payable to
ONS. If you live abroad (whatever that means ?) you may pay by Credit Card. They need
the Card No. and Expiry date. There is now a Form PAS 8M. I am waiting to hear
whether they insist on completion of this form. There is no indication whether they
accept orders by e.mail.
Sorry I cannot fill in all the gaps.
I have looked again at the print I sent to Nancy, I must admit to being swayed, I think that it is just to perfect to be a drawing, it is the pub bricks in the foreground, looking very sharp against the morter which have an unreal touch of a drawing, they drew my eye and I must admit to having made up my mind on just that portion of the picture. But looking again the background becomes so fine and detailed it goes way beyond the skill of the drawer of the bricks. I think now that it is a photo that was tampered with at some point to make the copy that I have. I think the comments from Judy of the bleached out sky is a good one and also if the buildings in the distance can be so detailed why is that man so blobby.
There are still queries about the date. I can't help with the source of the picture it just is amongst a collection of bits and bobs I have inherited. I did wonder though if it was kept because my GGM Clara Bella Lodge ran a registered Tripe Shop (urgh) in Darwen and one of those buildings might be it. But it doesn't help much as that could of been anytime between 1887 and 1930.
I would like to say a big thank you to Nancy Delaney for posting the picture and inspiring all of this interesting and informative debate from the Lancs Listers. Well Done all round!
What a good idea!
Here are some snippets of relevant info. which I have collected as part of my research into branches of my family.
1851 Census:103 Byrom Street, Liverpool
GEORGE YATES:head:44 years:Chemist/Druggist:b.Birch, Lancashire.
ANN YATES:wife:44 years:b.Alstonfield,Staffordshire.
GEORGE JOHN YATES:son:17 years:Apprentice:b.Alstonfield,Staffordshire.
MARY YATES:daughter:15 years:Scholar:b.Alstonfield,Staffordshire.
AGNES BEEVER YATES:daughter:7 years:Scholar:b.Dukinfield,Cheshire.
MARY BIDDY:18 years:Servant:b.Liverpool.
(Ann Yates' maiden name was BILLING)
The next census return shows GEORGE JOHN YATES following in his father's footsteps.
1861 Census: 97 Byrom Street, Liverpool
GEORGE YATES:head:27 years:Chemist & Druggist:b.Eng.,Staffs..
HARRIET YATES:wife:27 years:b.Eng.,Staffs..
HAROLD HAWKSLEY YATES:son:4 years:b.Eng.,Liverpool.
ETHEL MOUNTFORT YATES:daughter:2 years:b.Eng.,Ashton/u/Lyne.
HARRIET NEALE:mother-in-Law:widow:63 years:b.Eng.,Staffs..
1871 Census: 14 Beloe Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool
GEORGE JOHN YATES:37 years:born Stafordshire.
HARRIET YATES:37 years:wife:born Staffordshire.
HAROLD HAWKSLEY YATES:14 years:office boy:born Liverpool.
ETHEL YATES:12 years:daughter:born Liverpool.
GEORGE HERBERT YATES:8 years:son:born Liverpool.
MARY AGNES YATES:6 years:daughter:born Liverpool.
GERTRUDE YATES:4 years:daughter:born Liverpool.
EDGAR LOUIS LYON YATES:3 years:son:born Liverpool.
MARGARET YATES:1 year:daughter:born Liverpool.
HARRIET NEALE:73 years:mother-in-law:born Halesowen.
1881 Census: 18 Moss Grove, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
GEORGE JOHN YATES:47 years:Professor of Music:born Alstonfield.
HARRIET YATES:47 years:wife:born West Bromwich.
ETHEL YATES:22 years:boot saleswoman:born Ashton/u/Lyne.
GEORGE HERBERT YATES:18 years:Clerk:born Liverpool.
MARY AGNES YATES:16 years:Apprentice:born Walton.
GERTRUDE YATES:14 years:scholar:born Walton.
EDGAR LOUIS LYON YATES:13 years:scholar:born Liverpool.
MARGARET YATES:11 years:scholar:born Liverpool.
PERCIVAL YATES:8 years:scholar:born Liverpool.
1891 Census: 37 Wordsworth Street, East Toxteth.
HARRIET YATES:head:widow:56 years:born Warks/Birmingham.
GEORGE YATES:son:single:28 years:born Lancs/Liverpool.
GERTRUDE YATES:daughter:single:24 years:florist:born Lancs/Liverpool.
MARGARET YATES:daughter:single:21 years:born Lancs/Liverpool.
ELIZABETH YATES:daughter-in-law:married:43 years:born Lancs/Liverpool.
ETHEL YATES:grand daughter:11 years:scholar:born Lancs/Liverpool.
HAROLD YATES:grandson:9 years:scholar:born Lancs/Liverpool.
KATE YATES:grand daughter:7 years:scholar:born Lancs/Liverpool.
GEORGE YATES:grandson:4 years:born Lancs/Liverpool.
HARRIET YATES:grand daughter:1 year:born Las Palmas, Argentine Republic.
(Harriet Yates senior's maiden name was NEALE)
(Elizabeth Yates' maiden name was PRICE)
Harriet's father was an Ironfounder b. West Bromwich,Staffordshire.
JOHN NEALE and family lived at 111,St.Anne Street,Liverpool in 1847.
at 35,Smith Street,Kirkdale in 1849 and 4 St.Paul's Terrace,Rodney Street in 1855.
The 1851 Census for the NEALE family reads.
JOHN NEALE:Ironfounder:born West Bromwich,Staffordshire.
HARRIET NEALE:wife:born Halesowen,Worcestershire.
HARRIET NEALE:daughter:born West Bromwich,Staffordshire.
SARAH NEALE:daughter:born West Bromwich,Staffordshire.
SUSANNA NEALE:daughter:born Liverpool.
If anyone feels that they 'cross paths' with me, I would love to hear from them.
in Staffordshire researching:
YATES - Lancashire & Staffordshire
BILLING - Staffordshire
ARCHER - Leicestershire
NEALE - West Bromwich & Liverpool
SIMPSON - Lancaster & Liverpool
Thanks - Just what I needed.
You've done a good sell on me - just ordered The Lancasshire directory +
Baines 1824/25 and Southern Scotland 1825/6. Gave your name. hope you get
commission for this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Neep <rod.neep(a)archivecdbooks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: [LAN] LANCASHIRE & MANCHESTER 1895 Directories now released on CD
> >From the Archive CD Books Project
> Two new Lancashire Kelly's/Slater's Directories:
> 1895 Lancashire (excludes Manchester and Liverpool)
> 1895 Manchester
> Both are *huge* volumes, each approaching 2000 pages.
> The 1895 Lancashire includes all towns, villages and hamlets, with a
> description of each and its facilities, churches, schools, etc. plus
> lists of private residents and all people with trades. There is a full
> place index, and the CD is comprehensively bookmarked for easy
> The 1895 Manchester Directory is really special. This extremely
> comprehensive directory specifically for Manchester and its immediate
> neighbourhood is a tremendous reference source for historians and
> genealogists with Lancashire interests. Contains complete street by
> street, house by house listings. Every household and householder. Plus
> of course the comprehensive trades directory. There is a complete list
> of roads, streets, lanes, courts, etc. with a reference to the nearest
> main street. There is also an alphabetical listing of householders and
> people with trades.
> These books, loaned to the Archive CD Books Project by the Family
> Records Centre in London as part of the co-operative project that we
> have, are in poor condition and in urgent need of repair and
> restoration. (Some of the pages were like jigsaw pieces that had to be
> fitted together for scanning). Funds from the sale of these CDs will
> enable that restoration of these and other such books to happen.
> For more details (and the shopping cart) see:
> and in the on-line catalogue, use the site map to find the Lancashire
> pages easily.
> Note: until 31st August - buy any two CDs (not just Lancashire) and
> you will receive a third CD *free*: "How to Write the History of a
> Family", (two books) written by W.P.W. Phillimore in the late 1800s.
> They are superb reference books, that describe all of the lesser used
> (but still available!) sources of family history information. Further
> details are on the Archive CD Books web pages (see the "latest releases"
> page for more information).
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On the bottom of message pages on Lancsgen-Woolton site the following note appears.
I decided to look at it, went through putting in all my details, then came to the statement "How do you wish to pay"
All I wanted was to take a good look at what they had, and would have replied to the above question, by money order or cheque. But they give no choice, and want your credit card number. I note you have to cancel the trial period before the 14 days are up, otherwise they would bill your account.
Why ask the question as to how you want to pay when there is no choice.
I just stopped right there. I have no intention of giving my CC number over the net. They can go to ***** now.
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Hi all, looking for OCTAVIA ADA HEWITT born 1871 in NORTH WALES, WREXHAM. lived in liverpool until 1881 when family split up. 2 bros and 3 sisters went to live i the Manchester area and maybe she went with one of them. Are there any HEWITTS out there who have heard of OCTAVIA? Hope so. Ted.
----- Original Message -----
From: june jolly
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:57 PM
Subject: Fw: interests
----- Original Message -----
From: june jolly
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:56 PM
Hi all. Re posting interests.
McCRACKEN Ireland, Liverpool, Manchester
PARKER Worcester, Liverpool
HARRISON Chorley, Adlington(Lanc`s)
FAIRCLOUGH Chorley, Adlington
HILL Chorley, Adlington,Ireland?
JOLLY Adlington, Bolton?
Any connections or info no matter how small?
Hello Barbara and Dot,
I have been looking at the Mossley 1891 census and found the following family which I thought might be of interest to you.
1891 census - RG12/3295 - Mossley - Ashton-U-Lyne - St George's .
page 14 - folio 55 - 92 - Back George Street.
Samuel ENTWISTLE - head - mar - 41 - flagger [wool] - born Lancs. Burnley.
Sarah ENTWISTLE - wife - mar - 45 - born Lancs. Burnley.
Harriet ENTWISTLE - daughter - unm - 12 - cotton tenter - born Lancs. Mossley.
John Wm ENTWISTLE - son - unm - 20 - cotton spinner - born Lancs. Mossley.
Albert ENTWISTLE - son - unm - 18 - cotton piecer - born Lancs. Mossley.
Robert ADDISON - boarder - mar - 23 - cotton piecer - born Lancs. Blackburn.
Margaret Ann ADDISON - boarder - mar - 22 - cotton tenter - born Lancs. Mossley.
William SYKES - widower - 41 - cotton spinner - born Lancs. Mossley.
Sarah H. ADDISON - dgt - 2 - born Lancs. Mossley.
Great Howard St
Nos 1 to 189 and 2 to 180 are in the
western postal district, remainder are
in the northern postal district.
King Edward St
33 Quinn Mrs Mary E.
35 Walton George
37 Brodman Mrs Rose S.
39 Caine Mrs Alice
41 M Kay Nelson
43Walton Mrs Elizh.
43a Garth Edward Percy
47 Yates Miss Elizabeth E.
49 Hagerty John
51 McCarthy Denis
53 Thompson John
55 The Liverpool Warehousing Co Ltd
57 McWean J W & Co
69 Calam Frederick
69 Woollett Charles Howard
71 Taylor Edward Ernest
73 Lambert Walker
75 Wright William
77 Davies Edward
81 & 83 Bibby J & Sons oil cake manfrs.
London & North Western Railway
District Goods Managers Office
Shaw T. manager
London & North Western Railway
Goods & Cattle Station(Waterloo)
93 Connelly Patrick
95 Orrett Mrs Clara
97 Smith William
99 Banks George
101 Saunders Alfred
103 Campbell John
106 Dundon John
107 Cassidy James
109 Hamilton Christoher
111 Roger Mrs Mary
113 Mallet Mrs Elizabeth
115 Currivan Mrs Teresa
117 & 119 Bradshaw William
121 Carroll James
St Matthias's Church and Schools
123 & 125 Johnston James
127 Zembel Mrs Annie
129 Comber Francis Jun
131 Reid John
133 McElhinny Mrs Mary Ann
135 to 139 Casey Mrs Rose
141 Chadwick David H
143 Parle John
145 Young E
147 Morris Missd Catherine
149 Ellis Henry
151 Lacy J & L Ltd
153 Fenuell Alexander
155 Vogel Lui
157 Jones William & Co
159 Sheil Mrs Mary
163 Chadwick Miss Lily
165 Rawley Patrick
167 Callaghan Mrs Hannah Jane
169 Lanceley Mrs Annie
171 O'Neill James
United Irish League
McCann John Secretary
173 Doran Joseph
175 Rimmer W J Ltd undertakers
Friery James undertakers agent
177 Fennell Patrick
179 Marsh Frederick
179a Perry Frederick William
181 Foley Chris
183 Hughes Thomas
185 Bannon James
187 Jones Charles
189 Byrne Thomas
Stanley Dock & Warehouses
191 & 193 Jacob Robert
195a McGrath James Jun.
197 Kelly Arthur
L & Y R Co.'s cartage and for
Nall Joseph & Co. Ltd carting agts
197 Bremner William
More to follow
I've been away from this list for some time so I thought it
might be timely to re-state my research targets in the hope
that current members of the list might be able to provide
Richard ASHTON, 1748 - ?, Bolton married Martha HATTON in
the parish of St. Mary, Deane Bolton
Richard ASHTON, 1778 - 30 Mar 1828, Bolton married Mary
PILKINGTON in the parish of Parish Church (St. James)
Richard ASHTON, 29 Apr 1828 (Accrington) - 23 Nov 1869,
Little Bolton, married Margaret POTTS in the parish of
Wesleyan Methodist Chapel Higher Bridge Street, Little
Peter ASHTON, 2 Sep 1853 (Little Bolton) - 27 Feb 1890
(Swinton), married Margaret GRATRIX at eh Register's Office
Barton Upon Irwell
Harry ASHTON, 26 Jan 1888 (Worsley) - 13 Nov 1970 (Toronto)
married Edith GASKELL
Of course, the above list ignores the many siblings each of
my direct ancestors had. I'm prepared to list these, of
course, if there is any utility.
I have two brick walls, so to speak: connecting to an
earlier generation of my first Richard ASHTON at Deane,
Bolton, and connecting with my grandfather Harry ASHTON's
family that he left behind in Salford/Swinton/Worsley when
he emigrated to Canada.
Harry's siblings were:
Rose Hannah, 1878 - ? Swinton
Clarissa, 1879 - ? Swinton married Joseph JONES
Fred, 1880 - ? Swinton
Lillian, 1883 - ? married John William AGNEW
Minnie, 1884 - ? Swinton
William Edwin, Aug 1885 (Swinton) - Aug 1885 (Swinton)
Ernest, 1887 - ? Swinton, married Blanche JEWSBURY
Mary Ann, Jul 1889 (Swinton) - 28 Jul 1889 (Swinton)
I'd appreciate any information or advice that is
(logging in from Toronto and going through life
like a porcupine in a room full of balloons!)
Check out our home page at:
The Scottish National Archives have some records from a Scottish church in
Liverpool. I think they bought them.
There is just a chance they may have acquired something for this church.
Worth an email anyway.
cant remember the URL but google will find it.
> I'm wondering if someone may be able to help me! Via a search of churches in
> GENUK's database I've come accross the name of a Scotch Presbyterian Chuch
> called All Saints at Grosvenor Square in Chorlton.
Apologies, I'm playing catch-up. I was away for a few days last weekend, so
no Yesterdays which was shame, given that it was Wakes Week which dominates
this offering. Hope it's useful.
Previous summaries, with a separate search facility, can be found on my
website at http://www.gravelbank.co.uk/twww/home.htmlYesterdays Yesterdays -
24 August 1901
SAD SHOOTING GALLERY FATALITY ON ASHTON MARKET GROUND
The Use of Firearms
Ashton Wakes Ground was the scene of a distressing shooting fatality shortly
after midnight on Saturday. A young man, Edward COYLE (23), a native of
Ardwick, Manchester, and a seventeen year old girl from Preston, named
Matilda WHALLEY, were employed at a shooting saloon owned by Mr Frederick A
HARRISON, of Preston.
Shortly after midnight the order to close the galleries was given by the
police. Miss WHALLEY was in the act of withdrawing the charge from a
repeating rifle which had not been used, when a crowd of men and youths
rushed along. The girl at the time had her finger on the trigger, and some
man, it was stated, knocked against her. The rifle went off and the bullet
entered the right breast of COYLE, who was standing inside the gallery
attending to the objects to be shot at. The wounded man at once called out
The proprietor, Mr HARRISON, and others rendered assistance, but when Dr
TWOMEY arrived, COYLE was dead. The bullet penetrated his right lung and
heart, and death occurred two or three minutes afterwards. The body was
removed to the mortuary. The young girl in whose hands the rifle was
fainted. COYLE had only been in Mr HARRISON's employment a fortnight. Miss
WHALLEY and he were on the best of terms.
The inquest was held in the Court Room, Ashton Town Hall, on Tuesday
forenoon by Mr J F PRICE, district coroner. Mr COYLE, warehouseman, 5
Crawshaw-street, Chorlton-on-Medlock, said the deceased was my son, and was
a professional trick jumper. Her formerly worked at the hay and corn stores
of Mr PARNELL, Chester-road, Manchester, until he came out as a trick
jumper. He was 23 last birthday, and had always had good health. I was with
him on Bank Holiday, and he left home on the Wednesday following to commence
work for Mr HARRISON, shooting gallery proprietor, and I never saw him alive
again. I identified the body shortly after six o'clock on Sunday night.
Frederick Albert HARRISON, travelling shooting gallery proprietor, of
Preston, said: I have been on Ashton Market Ground since Wednesday night. I
have known deceased to speak to about two years. He had been assisting me at
the shooting gallery a little over a week. His duties were not specified,
and he did anything that was required. On Saturday night, he was inside the
saloon placing objects to be shot at on to jets of water. WHALLEY was
unloading her guns which had been left loaded. She held the gun with the
muzzle pointing towards the target whilst she drew the cartridge out. A
crowd of people came by and pushed against the girl's elbow and this caused
the gun to swerve round at the moment of unloading and to go off. I heard
COYLE shout "Oh, I'm shot." I went inside to him and brought him out, and he
fell right over.
Mabel WHALLEY, 38 Newton-street, Preston, said: I am 17 years of age, and
have been engaged at Mr HARRISON's shooting gallery all through last winter,
and for the last fortnight have been travelling about with him. About twelve
o'clock, the police came and asked us to stop. In accordance with the usual
custom, I was unloading a repeating rifle. With about two cartridges left in
it. I had got one of the two cartridges, and was going to repeat it. I had
my thumb on the trigger ready to drop the hammer and pull the repeater. Just
at that moment a crowd of people came, and I was not looking. They caused my
elbow to move, and it caused the gun to swerve round and go off.
At the request of the jury, the last witness took hold of the gun and
demonstrated her ability to handle the weapon. This she did with some amount
of trepidation and precaution, as if in fear of the deadly weapon containing
a charge of shot.
The jury returned a verdict of accidental death.
* * *
YOUNG WOMAN FOUND DROWNED AT DUKINFIELD
The Missing Club Money
On Monday forenoon, at the Globe Hotel, Mr Francis NEWTON held an inquest on
the body of a single young woman named Elizabeth ROE, aged 17, daughter of
Walter ROE, painter, of 95 Lodge-lane, Dukinfield, who was found drowned on
Saturday morning in the Peak Forest Canal, under the following
Walter ROE said: The deceased was my daughter. I last saw her alive about 8
pm on Friday last in Crescent-road. She was then very cheerful, and in
course of conversation asked me for a "Wakesing." I gave her 1s, telling her
that would be enough for one night. I never saw her again until I identified
her dead body on Saturday last.
Samuel AXFORD said: I reside at 222 Astley-street, Dukinfield, and am a boat
loader. I have been courting the deceased for about 12 months. I last saw
her alive about 10.30 on Friday night when I left her at the end of a row of
houses near her house in Lodge-lane. We had been to Ashton and during the
evening deceased told me that her mother had drawn mine and her own money
from the PSA Savings Club and spent it in paying a doctor's bill at
Southport. She said she was trying to borrow the money so that I could go
away. She was to have met me at 12.15 next day against the Ashton Town Hall,
but I did not see her.
John HINDLEY said: I am a boatman, and live in Astley-street, Dukinfield. At
4.15 on Saturday morning I was going along the Peak Forest Canal towing path
to my work, and when near Well Bridge I found a woman's hat, jacket and
skirt on the towing path. Thinking someone was in the water, I got a
boathook, and in short time recovered the body of the deceased.
Maria ROE said: I am the wife of Walter ROE, and the deceased was our
daughter. She was 17 years of age. On Friday night, the deceased left home
about 7 o'clock. She had then in her possession, so far as I could reckon,
£6 13s 0d, being £4 of her own money, and £2 13s 0d belonging to AXFORD. I
had not received any money or spent any in the payment of a doctor's bill.
Detective MOTTERSHEAD said when searched the deceased had 1s 01/2d in her
After some conversation about the mystery surrounding the disappearance of
the money it was decided to adjourn the inquest until Tuesday next, so as to
give the police an opportunity of tracing the money.
* * *
ASHTON WAKES CASUALTIES
Pleasures and Penalties
Rarely does the annual Wakes carnival pass over without accident, sometimes
very serious. The crowd on the Market Ground was so large on Saturday and
Monday nights and the hurry and scurry and excitement so great, that it is
surprising that there were not more accidents than there were to record.
Like all other up-to-date machinery, improvements have to such an extent
been made that steam roundabouts go double motion imparted to them by man's
ingenuity. All kinds of mechanical contrivances are requisitioned to supply
the public taste for excitement so palpable at Wakes time, and over that
quiet and at one time indubitable little arbour of retreat for juveniles,
the "pea saloon", has faded out of existence, and given way to the more
noisy and rowdy paraphernalia so characteristic of a modern Wakes ground.
Amid all the din and noise no wonder people lose their heads and accidents
In addition to the awful shooting gallery fatality referred to elsewhere,
which according to the evidence was purely the outcome of the noisy,
jostling crowd, other accidents occurred which, although not fatal, gave
cause for alarm. On Monday, a boy named Ralph CHAPMAN, aged seven, son of
Samuel CHAPMAN, a miner of Audenshaw-road, Audenshaw, was riding on DAVIES's
racing ostriches when he fell. Constable WALMSLEY picked him off the
footboard. The boy remained unconscious for ten minutes. It was feared that
the base of the lad's skull was fractured. He was taken to the Police
Station, and there examined and treated by Dr PEARCE, who promptly arrived
on the scene. The boy was found to be suffering from concussion of the
brain. He was subsequently removed home in a cab by his mother who is
stewardess at Dr CRAWSHAW's surgery, Ashton.
A serious accident occurred on Monday night to Miss Beatrice GIBSON, of 27
Lord-street, who fell from one of the steam roundabouts on to her head,
causing a nasty scalp wound and also severe bruises on the right arm and
body. She was taken home, and has since been confined to her bed suffering
from the wounds and shock, for which she is under the care and treatment of
* * *
MURDEROUS ATTACK ON A GORTON POLICEMAN
The Officer a Stalybridge Man
A sensational affair occurred at West Gorton on Tuesday afternoon, when
Police-constable Daniel BENTLEY, of the City Police Force, was murderously
attacked by a labourer, named Charles SYLVUM, residing at 10
Eskrigge-street. The occurrence had occasioned considerable excitement, and
during the hearing of the case the court was crowded with spectators.
The first witness called was Police-sergeant McDERMOTT, who received the
prisoner into custody at a quarter past four on Tuesday afternoon at the
dwelling house, and took him to the police station. The prisoner was then
under the influence of drink, and it was not until half-past twelve on the
following day that witness charged him with attempting to murder BENTLEY,
and also with shooting at him and others with intent to do grievous bodily
Witness stated that about half past two on Tuesday afternoon he was in
Clowes-street, when he was told that a constable had been shot in
Eskrigge-street. He went there, and found BENTLEY surrounded by a crowd of
people. Witness learned that the prisoner had just goner into his own house,
and had closed the door, and he accordingly followed him. When he got to the
door someone in the crowd shouted, "Look out; he's going to shoot you."
Upon that witness ran round to the back door to make sure that the man did
not escape that way; but finding the door closed he went round to the front
again to see what was the matter with BENTLEY, whom he found had by that
time got up to SYLVUM's door, accompanied by the crowd. Witness returning
again to the back door, with the object of securing SYLVUM, encountered
prisoner holding a revolver, and some people cried out that he was going to
shoot. Witness dropped in the entry, and immediately afterwards heard a shot
fired. The people screamed, and then there was another shot.
In the meantime BENTLEY had got into the house and, with the assistance of
another man, had pinned the prisoner to the sofa. The prisoner held a
revolver in his right hand, and he fired it while the struggle was going on.
When searched at the police station the prisoner had a revolver in his
possession and it contained five spent and one full cartridge. There was a
desperate struggle with the prisoner before he was finally secured, and he
fired nine shots altogether. Four empty cartridges were found near the back
door of the house, and a box containing 50 rounds was afterwards found in
his house. Yesterday morning witness had made a second search for the
remaining bullets and found two of them in the street opposite the door.
There were bullet marks on the cupboard, the window and the sofa.
Constable BENTLEY, the hero of the adventure, who showed evident signs of
the great shock his nerves had received, then described what had happened to
him. He said that the prisoner should have appeared before the magistrates
on Tuesday in answer to a summons, but he did not turn up, his wife
appearing on his behalf. She was told that if her husband appeared at 10
o'clock yesterday it would prevent a warrant being issued against him. In
the afternoon witness went to look after two witnesses who lived in the same
street, and whose lives prisoner had threatened to take if they appeared
against him Prisoner excitedly denied that this was the case.
Witness added that he went to a house in Eskrigge-street to see a woman who
was now in court to tell her that she must appear there that morning.
Leaving the woman's house and passing along the street he met prisoner
standing by his own door with a revolver in each hand. Accompanying the
threat with a foul expression, prisoner told witness that he would do for
Witness did not believe that prisoner was going to shoot until he fired
three shots in quick succession. Upon that, witness drew his handcuffs from
his pocket and walked towards the prisoner who kept on firing all the time.
He emptied one revolver right off, and witness heard the bullets strike the
wall on the other side of the street. One of them knocked his hat off.
Immediately afterwards Sergeant McDERMOTT and a constable came up, and the
crowd called out to them not to go near the door, adding "He'll shoot you
Witness burst the door open and saw the prisoner standing in the room still
with a revolver in his hand. Witness twisted his leg and upset him, and as
he was doing so prisoner again shot at him, setting his tunic on fire. In
confirmation of this, the witness's tunic was handed up for the inspection
of the Bench, and was seen to be perforated in three places. His helmet,
containing several bullet marks, was also shown to the magistrates.
Prisoner was then remanded for a week.
Part two follows
Hi Nancy & all,
The tall formal-looking building in the middle distance on the right was, I
think, still standing in the 1940's and 50's, and used to be the Liberal
Club (it is shown on the 1909 Ordnance Survey map). In the 1950's it housed
the Co-op Greengrocers, Co-op Travel, etc. Beyond it were several shops,
including Bradleys Men's Outfitters, with access through a passage to the
right to the Telephone Exchange behind and above the shop, and next door was
Redman's, a grocer's shop, which sold excellent bacon. In the far distance
is probably Duckworth Street Congregational Church.
If anyone would like it I can send the "matching" photograph privately as an
attachment. It is in jpg form with 209kb.
In my view, as an artist and photographer, both views of Market Street and
Green Street are photographs. They were taken from the same high vantage
point above street level, possibly a step ladder or similar platform. I
suspect the photo' was touched up by the original photographer, viz. the
"unreal" figure on the right of the picture, which is almost just a blob,
whereas the figure on the left has much detail, although he was in partial
shade (the light being from behind the photographer's left shoulder).
I must admit to being most intrigued by all the interest and comments the
picture has raised. It makes one realise that everyday scenes are forever
changing but we seldom record the changes.
Etwall, Derby, UK