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I wanted to share this with all listers;
Along with my brick walls I was able to obtain these documents and articles
about Millions $$$$$$$
this is from an newspaper article in 1925;
STAIRFOOT CLAIMANTS TO HUGE ESTATE
The query is provoked by an examination of the claim put forward by the
residents of this house, which is 47, Lambert Road Stairfoot.
The property known as Tabley Estate they are 27 in number situated in
Liverpool, Wigan and neighbourhood and are estimated to be producing income
of over GBP1,000,000 per annum. They comprise coal mines, business, places,
shops and factories.
The property claimed is in Wigan, Ince, Aspull, Hindley, Winstanley, Abram,
Upholland, Golborne, Ashton, Billinge, Windle, Shevington, Pemberton,
Coppull and the Netherilands.
There is a romantic story behind the claim. Most of the property belonged to
the Crown in 1335 when it was granted by Edward III to one Gilbert Ford in
recognition of his heroic bravery and meritorious deeds in wars in the first
and fourteenth year of Edwards reign. Henry VI granted other property to
Ford and the two grants are the subject of the present dispute.
The Ford family held them until 1772 when they passed to two sons William
and Edward. William survived his brother and died in 1801, leaving one
JohnTabley as his heir-at-law.
This is from letters I have obtained from family members, orginally written
by family members; Novemeber 24, 1925
Well to give you an idea my great grandfather on the female side was
JohnTabley who married an only daughter of Robert Ford who died in 1772.
John Tabley had one daughter Helen who married James Horrocks my great
grandfather on the male side. There were three in the family, my grandfather
James Horrocksm Thomas Horrocks and Mary Horrocks who married James Lowe and
establishes you and your connection.
Now this letter was written by Robert Moran who married my grandfather's -
sister's - daughter.
I am hoping that others have knowledge about this famour law suit.
I notice you posted a query for Joan to look in her trades directory
for a John POTTER, among others.
I do not recognize the other names, but I, too, have a John POTTER. Or,
rather 2 of them.
The older John is listed as aged 32 and a crumpet baker on the 1881
census, and living in Ashton U Lyne.
I believe this to be my g.g.g.grandfather. The 2nd John POTTER is the
1st's grandson, born to Joseph
POTTER and Sarah DICKINSON on 13 July, 1897.
Placentia, CAlifornia, US
I wish to thank all of you who contributed information about my brick walls.
To answer some of the responses, my grandfather Frank's birth certificate
was ordered long. It lists mother name as Margaret Brogan formerly Atkinson.
So I would assume that she was married. why she would not mention fthers
name is a mystery. Also my grandfather Frank had seven older siblings.
Second I did research my grandmothers name as Hunt due to the fact that it
appeared early in my search. As to why she went to court in Canada to prove
that she was the ligitmate of Michael and Catherine I don't know.
What makes this frustrating is I am eligable to apply for entry by ansestry
to England because my grandparents birth. However I must prove this by
obtaining their birth record. I have my grandfathers but I am not sure how I
obtain my grandmothers and will they take this into consideration.
thanks so much for all you help
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Could sks. on this list help me with the attached message. Thanks.
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 05:40:02 -0700
From: michael burns <barbmike(a)telus.net>
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To: ENG - Liverpool <ENG-Liverpool-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: Kirkdale Petty Sessional Court
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Can sks. tell me if this court still exists? I assume that it was or is
in the Liverpool area.
My grandfather Percy BURNS and his brother James were committed to
Doctor Barnardos homes on 6 Sep.1898 by order of this court. Naturally
I'm interested in tracing the records as I'm sure there is a wealth of
information in them regarding my family history.
Could someone tell me where the records might be at this time and an
address ( preferably email) where I might enquire about them? Hope to
hear from sks. on this.
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Am looking for any information on Redmonds born or living in Coniston. Also
Gudgeon's in Tatham Fells, Kendal Westmorland and Ulverston.
My G Grandfather owned a cycle & motor shop in Ulverston from 1900 - 1920
before coming to the US. His name was Jonathan Gudgeon b. 1878. There is a
family tale that he hit a child and killed him while riding his motor bike.
Would there be any place I can look for a newspaper article that might prove
Any info on the above names would be great!!
Lynda (Gudgeon) Holt
My Grandfather lived Nr. Kendal in Westmorland, but his death certificate
states that he died at
Clatterbridge, Poulton cum Spital, Wirral, in 1943. I have never heard of
this place and wonder if
anyone can tell me if there is a Hospital or Nursing Home near there, where
he might have been
I know this is not in Lancs., but not too far away from the border, and
hopefully someone might
have heard of it.
Thanks in anticipation,
I may regret this (!) but - as I now live in West Sussex, my Lancs research is difficult. If there is a bit of an expert on the Bury/Tottington/Radcliffe areas who would like to offer their local knowledge for my West Sussex knowledge send me an email & we'll see how it goes!
>From Tony in Worthing, West Sussex.
Peggie Lightbown asked
>My Grandfather lived Nr. Kendal in Westmorland, but his death certificate
>states that he died at Clatterbridge, Poulton cum Spital, Wirral, in 1943.
>I have never heard of
>this place and wonder if anyone can tell me if there is a Hospital or
>Nursing Home near there, where
>he might have been taken. I know this is not in Lancs., but not too far
>away from the border, and
>hopefully someone might have heard of it.
Clatterbridge Hospital, probably the largest hospital on the Wirral, is
still operating. It specializes in cancer treatment and care, although I
believe other patients are also accommodated. Clatterbridge is about
midway between Chester and Birkenhead.
My grandmother Julia Ruth MALONE (nee NICHOLLS) 1884-1944, brought up by Timber Merchants (family connection?) named ATHERTON - sometime of 'Dunsters', Warbreck Hill Rd, Blackpool - later of BURY.
Ring any bells with anyone?
Tony of Worthing, Sussex.
I am totaly stumped as to where I cna get information on this lady.
All I know is that there is a statue of her in a park.
My grandfather usede to take my mother there when she was young and would not
let her paddle in the water as he considered it to be disrespectable to her
as she was related.
My mother is now 60 so we are going back awhile.
I think it must be inthe Lee area of Oldham.
My mom thinks it was in a place called Werneth Park, I,ve had a look in my map
book but could not find it.
Any help would be appreciated
Wanted to add my two penneth to this as the original mail did worry me some
I too have Watchmakers in Prescott during the 19th century, and they
employed people during 1861, so they couldn't have been that bad.
The HOLMES family had a father and two sons in the business, all watch
movement makers. I have yet to trace the fathers parents so they too could
have been making watches, or watch parts.
To say that the watch making industry was about a certain large company that
didn't last that long, is a little upsetting to those who have generations
of people making the finest watches in the country before those who built
this large factory were ever even born!
Quote"You are right in thinking that Prescot was a major area of
watchmaking, largely because of the Prescott Watch and Clock Company."
I am sure that those of us with family in the trade would rather say that it
was those small "outworkers" that made Prescott famous for watches, not the
Prescott Watch and Clock Company.
Hope this doesn't offend anyone, just very proud of a family that had strong
roots in Prescott and it's history.
----- Original Message -----
From: DAVID LISTER <david(a)lister60.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:20 PM
Subject: [LAN] Re Watchmakers
Can I add a bit of before, and after to Nick's reply to your query regarding
watchmakers in Prescot.
I have a family of Birchalls who were always associated by marriage or birth
with the Prescot area. They were involved in various ways with watchmaking
from at least 1766 to 1923.
George Birchall married in Farnworth nr. Prescot in 1766 was listed as a
watchmaker. Son William a watchmaker in Liverpool born 1767, another son
John listed as watch material manufacturer and brass founder in Church St.
Prescot in 1824. William's son George was shown as a watch pillar, and watch
hand manufacturer in Atherton St. Prescot in 1824. Later listed as a
watchmaker in Crosby. George had a daughter who married a watch wheel maker
in Prescot, and four sons who were involved in the industry. William who
was a watch Finisher. Robert a watchmaker and jeweller in Salford. James who
became a pawnbroker, and George who had a shop in Liverpool listed as a
watchmaker. He in turn had two sons listed as watchmakers one as late as
1923, where I have lost track of the descendants.
In Prescot town centre there is a clock and watch museum devoted to the
local industry. From this I learned that the industry during the
1700's/1800's was very important and often watches and clocks sold by
watchmakers in London were actually made in Prescot. The late 1800's the
advent of mass production techniques in the USA ,and Switzerland started to
badly affect the craftsmen products of Prescot. This was when the Prescot
Watch and Clock Co. was founded to try to compete, but as so often with
British industry it was too late, It also closed I believe in the early
years of the century.
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Ancestor William Hodgkinson MALONE, plumber, married Emily KNOWLES Feb. 1919 at BURY Parish Church. She died at Aitken Sanitorium, HOLCOMBE, after a few years of marriage. William didn't appear to be on the scene but I can't find any trace of his re-marriage or death.
Any ideas what may have happened to him in those post-WW1 years?
>From Tony in Worthing, Sussex.
Great-great-grandfather JOHN MALONE, clog/boot/shoemaker, shown in 1851 TOTTINGTON census as address Tottington Hall. Sounds a bit grand for a simple tradesman employing 2 men. Any theories/explanations please?
Tony from Worthing, Sussex.
Daniel BRADLEY, cattle dealer of 8 parliament St., Bury, married my great aunt Annie Hall MALONE in 1892. Children - Harriet, Annie, Michael, Dan, Jim. Later connections (Jim Bradley?) with Bury Market?
I'm trying to find out anything about any of them in the hope of linking back to my earlier MALONE ancestors. Does the above ring any bells with anyone please?
>From Tony in Worthing, Sussex.
Can any clever person tell me what the "P" and "K" is for on the IGI
results. I know that "M" is for Marriage and "C" is for Christenings. I
haven't come across the K before and it only gives girls names. If you want
to see what I mean, type in Jane Knowles christened 10 April 1778 in
Bradford. Bye for now, Doreen.
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I am trying to find out a little more about my granduncle David PAYNE b 3
March 1884 (or 1879) in Barrow in Furness, LAN, ENG; s/o William PAYNE and
his first wife Jane CARL(E)TON; d. Birkenhead, CHS, ENG.
As far as I know:
1. He never married
2. He was on the HMS Benbow (an Admiral class ship). I am not certain
whether this was before or during World War I. I have seen various websites
to help people find details about sailors in the Royal Navy, but I'm sorry I
didn't take notice. Can anyone help me now?
3. He worked a lot on construction sites, one of which was the OLD
Assuan/Assouan/Aswan Dam in Egypt which was completed in 1902. Can anyone
help me with information - was it an English Company?
4. Between jobs he would come and stay with my Grandfather, James PAYNE,
who was living in Birkenhead (28 Patten Street), CHS, ENG by at least 1908.
Grandad was working on the then new Vittoria Dock construction.
Jim & Bev Payne
Hello everyone I 'm a first - timer to this list, but beening
so far away I'm hoping you'll be able to help The name I'm
researching is the popular one " SMITH " g g grandfather George
married to Harriet 1825c? Manchester/Ashton under Lyne. Children I've
linked to these two are:- Sally SMITH b 1826 m Matthew ANDREW
28th Mar 1847 Ashton under Lyne. Joseph b 1827 christened Manchester
Cath m Nancy EYRE Sheffield 1850 these being my
David 1832, William 1835, Harriet 1836, Sarah-Ann 1837, and Thomas
Hurst SMITH 1839 on his birth certificate it states his mother's
maiden name was HURST and stayed in Broughton Street, Cheetham; all
were christened at Manchester Cath. George Smith was a Woollen
Draper and had a shop at 3, Market Street Manchester in the 1841
Trade Directory , .Are they amongst anyones family tree I hope so!