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If anyone intends to trace Scottish Ancestry via this site, please print out
and read the information that is provided before doing so.
This is a Fee paying site where it costs £6.00 to search for a 24 hour
After 24 hours it then costs another £6.00.
So I repeat, read up on it first and have plenty of material available and
know the areas that you want to search in order to get the best value for
It is a good site, but it can turn out to be costly if you just rush in.
This is to thank all of those people who responded to my request for LOOKUPS
on the above discs.
I think that I have thanked everyone individually, but in case I missed
anyone out please accept this mailing as my thanks to you.
Of the two families that I was seeking there was absolutely nothing.
I think that it is a question of "Beam me up Scottie"
That applies to me, not them!
Cheers & thanks
Would SKS please do a look-up in the 1881 census for the following:
John TRAVIS. He was a handloom weaver and lived in Woodshade &/or
Walsden, Todmorden in 1837-1907 (not sure when he died.) Any other Travis
names would also be appreciated.
Thanks to all who sent info on the Jessica Lofthouse book
After a walk through from Bernie (particular thanks Bernie) I got a list of her books and ordered the one I wanted Unfortunately there was an error with amazons server so they couldn't process my details but I'll try again
Incidentally this is the second time I've come up against an error when trying to order from the internet (last time it was some hard to get inkjet cartridges for my newish HP printer which I still can't get so can't do any printing at present!) Would I be doing anything wrong?? Any ideas welcome
Thanks a lot Coreen
The only England connection that I have so far is a Thompson WALTON b. 1803, who was a miner in Cumberlandshire. He came to Canada with his wife Elizabeth ? with 2 children, William b 1824 and Mary b. 1826 and settled in the Peterborough area of Ontario. They then moved to Oxford County, that is also in Ontario about 1840. My gggrandfather was Robert WALTON and ggrandfather was Joseph Thompson WALTON and he was born in Ontario. If this is any connection to the family that you are researching, I have more on Ontario born members of the family. If this is the case you can contact me off the list.
Mary Ann mswec(a)iaw.on.ca
You may by now have seen the announcement from the PRO on the 1901
census project. It is at http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/updatenov99.htm
and they have announced that the contract to make this census available
online has been awarded to DERA.
Yes, the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency. You'd never heard of
them either, eh? Well it seems they are an umbrella organisation for
thousands of civil servants. Does this sound like a skilled and involved
partner to you?
Still, the PRO announcement continues to tell us that the sub-contractor
who will be doing the transcription (surely the most critical part) is
the Enterprise and Supply Service. Fanfare!
A web search failed to find any information on the "Enterprise and
Supply Service", so I went off to look at the PR announcements at the
DERA website. It's http://www.dera.gov.uk/html/news/pressrel/pr_104.htm
Here we learn that "Researchers on genealogy will be delighted with the
news" that DERA has the contract. It goes on to tell us that the
consortium to do the work includes Applied Net Ltd (who'll be doing the
Internet bit), Comax (who'll be doing the image scanning bit), DERA
(who'll be charging the management fees) and 'Enterprise Supply
Services' who seem to have changed their name from the PRO announcement.
I couldn't find them on a web search either.
Now for the shocker. In brackets after the name of Enterprise Supply
Services is (part of the Prison Service)....
So, after all that time wondering who these highly skilled and
experienced transcribers of the 1901 census are going to be, it turns
out that they are going to be those detained at Her Majesty's pleasure?
Leaving aside a few ex-Conservative Cabinet ministers (or on second
thoughts maybe not), it's hard to think of a less intelligent,
inexperienced, unskilled and unenthusiastic group of transcribers.
Surely you're saying, this can't be right. Maybe Enterprise Supply
Services will contract this out to groups like Family History Societies
who could do it right. Bad news folks I'm afraid. The DERA press release
goes on to say "Enterprise Supply Services will use the services of
inmates to input the data twice (double keying method) with cross-
checking software to ensure the best possible level of accuracy."
Well, I'm sorry PRO. I've always had the greatest respect for the
services provided by you until now. But getting prisoners to transcribe
the census for genealogists! An own goal or what?
(And in case anyone thinks I am being critical of offenders I am not. I
am a firm supporter of NACRO and the Howard League for penal reform.
It's just that many of this group of people will have neither the
interest, motivation, training, nor skill to do this kind of work. A
case of a lose lose situation if ever I saw one.)
Feeling shell-shocked? It's about to get worse.
When you look at the 1881 census on CD-ROM, transcribed by experienced
family historians with double entry systems - people who know their
names, places, manuscripts and census systems - the error rate in any
single line of the census is around 50%. This is just about acceptable
enough on a CD-ROM system that lets you do wild card searches to find
that elusive ancestor. But the PRO announcement continues to say that
you'll pay 50p to do each search on a database that is bound to be
considerably less accurately transcribed than the 1881. Then you'll go
on to pay 80p for each page you find, even if it's the wrong one as a
result of their inaccurate transcription. Then they go on to say that
the microfiche version will only be supplied to the PRO and CROs/Local
Studies Libraries. No mention of the LDS or of FHSs. Or of the SoG for
I don't want to alarm you but... it looks to me as if on a scale of 1 to
10 the PRO has scored -10 on this announcement. Please, please someone
tell me it's all a bad dream. Come on Chris Smith, you appealed for a
greater cultural involvement by UK citizens in the Commons last week. Is
this what New Labour means by it?
I have been looking through the Lanc. section of the 1851 census found in
the free download, and found the following family of NEALE surname:
@Lancashire -A Formby
J/ROBERT/NEALE/HEAD/MAR/68//FARMER OF 56 ACRES/LAN/FORMBY/
J/THOMAS/RIMMER/BROTHER IN LAW/U/50//VISITOR/LAN/FORMBY/
J/WILLIAM/NEALE/SON/U/29//FARMERS SON EMPLOD ON THE FARM/LAN/FORMBY/
J/ROBERT/NEALE/SON/U/27//EMPLOYED ON THE FARM/LAN/FORMBY/
J/ANN/NEALE/W/MAR//20/BEERHOUSE KEEPERS WIFE/LAN/FORMBY/
Z/11/21/RAVEN MEALS LANE/
J/EDWARD/NEALE/HEAD/MAR/68//FARMER OF 22 ACRES/LAN/FORMBY/
J/ISABELLA/NEALE/HEAD/U//73/INTEREST OF MONEY/LAN/FORMBY/
Would anyone happen to know where the following place is
APSUL, Lancashire, England
I am particularly interested in a James GIBSON who was born there but on the
1881 Census was living at Northumberland Street, Wigan, Lancashire. His
Occupation was Joiner and Shopkeeper...
He seems to have some association with Agnes MILLER who was born in
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Also living in the same Street are a McGAW family, who could possibly be
linked to the above people.
Should there be anyone with an interest, I am more than happy to share
BetteBette - Wales
Being the first of December and the start of the festive season I could not resist sending this one to the line..
If you do decide to follow the recipe please enjoy....
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL JULIE IN A VERY HOT ADELAIDE
Subject: Fruit Cake
> 1 cup water
> 1 cup sugar
> 4 large eggs
> 2 cups dried fruit
> 1 teaspoon baking soda
> 1 teaspoon salt
> 1 cup brown sugar
> lemon juice
> 1 gallon whisky
>Sample the whisky to check for quality.
>Take a large bowl.
>Check the whisky again to be sure it is of the
>Pour one level cup and drink. Repeat.
>Turn on the electric mixer; beat 1 cup butter in
a large, fluffy bowl.
>Add 1 teaspoon sugar and beat again.
>Make sure the whisky is still OK. Cry another
>Turn off mixer. Break 2 legs and add to the
bowl and chuck in the cup
>dried fruit. Mix on the turner. If the fried
druit gets stuck in the
>pry it loose with a drewscriver.
>Sample the whisky to check for tonsisticity.
>Next, sift 2 cups of salt. Or something. Who
>Check the whisky. Now sift the lemon juice
and strain your nuts.
>Add one table. Spoon. Of sugar or something.
Whatever you can find.
>Grease the oven. Turn the cake tin to 350
>Don't forget to beat off the turner.
>Throw the bowl out of the window.
>Check the whisky again.
>Go to bed.
>Who the hell likes fruitcake anyway?
My grgrandfather's birth certificate lists his place of birth as 28 Old Mill
St., Blackburn in 1856. Consulting a map it appears that the street is still
there where Whalley New Rd and Walley Old Rd converge.
Would someone be willing to quess what church a family living in this area
in 1856 would have attended?
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I am still needing a lookup please on the 1891 census for N Blackburn
The address is 14 ALDER ST and I am hoping that the family there is either LOFTHOUSE or LANGHORN. Would some kind person please look this up for me and tell me all who are living at that address
I am also looking for any LOFTHOUSE or LANGHORN on the 1881 census for Oldham, Blackburn or Liverpool, particularly and Alfred Thomas LANGHORN and Alfred James LOFTHOUSE who probably were children between 0-10
Also any reference to Sarah Anne THOMAS in Blackburn or Liverpool
I have tried on the IGI and am not having any luck at all
There are a dozen parishes in the area of Toxteth and Toxteth Park could
indicate a larger area. Do you have an address? (I have a C of E parish
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim D. <kad(a)evestamail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 1:38 AM
Subject: [LAN] churches in Toxteth Park
> Hi list,
> I am wondering where a family who attended Church of England parishes
might have a child baptized in 1882 if they lived in Toxteth Park. I
checked St. Peter on Church St. in Liverpool, where the siblings were
baptized, but she's not there. Anyone out there who can help?
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My uncle Doctor, born about 1927 was certainly a seventh son, but I don't know if his father was. My father told me that seventh sons of seventh sons were so named because it was believed that they had powers of healing, second sight and were thought to be generally wise.
Perhaps when traditional naming patterns were breaking down in the 19th century it was given to children in the hope of bestowing these gifts on them.
It was very strange to hear my father talk about 'our Doctor' and very hard to get Family Tree Maker to enter it as a first name!
Worthington, Roger <rwor(a)qcom.com.au> wrote:
>It's available for the Oldham area (Oldham, Middleton, Chadderton,
>Hollingwood, Failsworth) at the Local History Centre on Union St Oldham.
>It is my understanding that a number of Local History Societies etc have
>indexed their local part of the 1891 census. It is also my understanding
>that these indices are viewable only at these centres for reasons of
The surname and street indexes for the Oldham/Saddleworth area were done
by a group of volunteers and the copyright is held by the widow of the
man who organised the project. She is reluctant to let anyone publish
these indexes so they are only available for consultation in person at
the Local Studies Library but photocopies of pages may be done.
Other areas of the county (and the country) have been done by other
groups of people, usually Family or Local History Societies. These
indexes are published and widely available.
The Oldham Branch of the M&LFHS have tried without success to change the
mind of the copyright holder of the Oldham indexes.
I did offer to do photocopies for M&LFHS list members earlier this year
at the cost price of 10 pence per copy plus postage and there was quite
a good take-up and I think it was useful.
So - I will offer to do it for this list on the understanding that it
may take a couple of weeks to get it done because I haven't too much
free time at the moment and I will be away from home next week. If you
don't mind hanging on I will do them - hopefully before Christmas.
No payment needed in advance. Payment from overseas can be in currency
notes (I think it isn't strictly legal to send money through the post
but who is looking?).
This is what is on offer.
ONLY the wider OLDHAM area including Saddleworth, no other parts of the
Censuses 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1891
Surnames only with piece numbers and folio numbers.
NO OTHER details available. You have to do the looking-up for yourself.
Street indexes give details of piece number and enumeration district(s)
in which a certain street appears. Again, no other details, you have to
do the looking-up yourself. This is only of limited value.
Cost is 10 pence per sheet and postage at cost.
Email me OFF the list with the SURNAMES and years you require.
What have I done................???!!!
Oldham, Lancashire, England
It's refreshing to see where your authority comes from:-
"It's not indexed yet but I have it on god authority that it"
You can't get better higher authority than that!
Martin MOORE n.m(a)clara.co.uk
Residing in the South Pennines, Lancashire, UK
HARRISON - Bootle & West Derby
JENNINGS - Northwich, Cheshire
McTURK - anywhere
MOORE - Northwich, & Hartford, Cheshire
PARTRIDGE - Loughborough, Leicestershire
SNEAD - Flint, & Shropshire
YATES - Rainford, Lancashire & Northwich, Cheshire
Happy to exchange information with anyone researching the same names &
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This email does not constitute a commitment by the writer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trasea" <trasea(a)cybase.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [LAN] 1891 Census - Hulme, Manchester, CARTER
> It's not indexed yet but I have it on god authority that it will be
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Baxendell <DavidBax(a)xtra.co.nz>
> To: <LANCSGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 4:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [LAN] 1891 Census - Hulme, Manchester, CARTER
> > Hi John,
> > You will need to supply an address, as the 1891 Census, Manchester is
> Name indexed.
> > David Baxendell
> > Christchurch
> > New Zealand
> > looking for BAXENDELL,BAXENDALE etc. anywhere, anytime
> > John Cook wrote:
> > > I am looking for Edwin Carter living in Hulme, Manchester in1891.
> someone please let me have details of all persons living with him, listed
> the 1891 Census. My grandfather Thomas Edwin, son of the above, should be
> one of these.
> > > Yours hopefully
> > > John Cook
> > >
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