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Mick thanks very much.
There have been a lott of replies. I trust you are receiving a warm a welcome in
I in fact looked in St.Cath's yesterday and found James Holden(3) in March
quarter 1842 from respectively Ashton, Bolton and Clitheroe and one in December
quarter 1841, registerd in Manchester.
The question is which one.;-)
I will ask for a match with Joseph I think.
Thanks again Doug...a "cestrian" (someone coined it for mixed rose heritage)
exciled in Australia - voluntarily.
Greetings Lancashire ROOTERS-
I am seeking anyone who is/has been researching the FANTOM surname. I
have heavily documented the branch of this family which immigrated in
1865 to Fall River, Massachusetts USA from Stockport, Manchester,
Through that research I eventually established connection with a third
cousin in Stockport who had been researching the FANTOM line within
England. His work has proven connections back to 1678 in England and
when combined with my own we have modern day branchs in US locales such
as Oswego, NY, Philadelphia, PA, sothern California and other locales.
During the course of my US-based research I have gathered much
information on other FANTOM families in Massachusetts, Maryland ad
Pennsylvania who are not yet proven to be connected. Would gladly
correspond with anyone sharing interest in this lineage.
Now I've been corrected - and there is indeed an index, does anyone have
ready access to it who would be willing to check a short list of names for
me? I won't bore you with them here, but please e-mail me if you would be
'fraid the Episcopal church is not a common non-comformist one here, but
there were a number of presbyterian/unitarian etc chapels in the Manchester
area whose records feature in the IGI, so that may be a good start!
They'd have still had to be married in C of E for it to be legal and also
probably buried in a c of e yard as well, even if by a non-com. minister -
so IGI is still a good guide.
If you've looked already forgive me, but as I've siad in a recent email -
Manchester was a big place even then with lots of chapels etc.
I'll keep thinking
I'm looking for information on Benjamin White and his wife Mary Fisher. They
were married in Manchester prior to 1770. Benjamin was a curate in the
Episcopal church. Their children were James, Fisher 1774, Sarah 1778.
What I need most is info on their marriage and their parents. Does anyone know
if there are records from this era? Is there any White or Fisher family out
there? Benjamin came to the Americas about 1780 and settled in Delaware while
his brothers elsewhere ( Lucas settled in New York and Samuel in Virginia)
Also any info on the brothers would be appreciated.
p.s. My grandmother is a White related to Fisher White
> ...These Wallings/Wallen went to Plymouth Colony in 1623, Ralph and Joyce
>aboard the "Anne" and James, John and Thomas Walling/Wallen on board the
I can't help with where they came from in England but I thought I would
mention a couple of things.
The ship was called the "Little James". I have ancestors on both
the Anne and the James.
Also, in the NEHG Register, vol. 4, July 1850, p. 252 "Plymouth Colony Rates"
a Raph Wallen paid 9 shillings rates taken 2 Jan 1632-3.
I am sorry but that is all I have,
Edward Coates Sinker - email: sinker(a)globalnet.co.uk
Herefordshire HR8 1PX
I should try the st Caths Index first!
There is a 1851 census index -its quite a few volumes -Manchester was big
even in those days! published by Manchester FHS.
The Cathedral or collegiate church, aka St Mary, St Denys & St George used
to be a place at one time where anyone married with few questions asked ( i
suppose pre 1800) but I should imagine it was much the same later. The
early ones are published by the LPRS but thats pre1700. The mormons will
probably have the BT's on film.
As I said try St caths 1st -it'll make life easier.
Lancastrian exiled to darkest Yorkshire!
...first my thanks to all involved with the smooth transfer of this
...Next: I have some information (below) ...but I don't have the
"Foggiest" notion of what my next step should be...
...a family document from aprox 1620 says:
"In the village of Hulton, two and one half miles east of Lancaster,
England, near the mouth of the Irish Sea, where the river Lune flows, the
name of Walling is found as far back as Queen Elizabeth.
James, John and Thomas Walling being names used at regular intervals.
...These Wallings/Wallen went to Plymouth Colony in 1623, Ralph and Joyce
aboard the "Anne" and James, John and Thomas Walling/Wallen on board the
...Can any one help finding more about these people?... in England...How
do I gain information about the family going back in time...Where would
birth information about Ralph and Joyce Walling be maintained...
...Also Family rumor says that the name is really Wallingford...
...With some great help from Peter Hunt we searched the Wallingford
pattern... and I'm still waiting for snail mail replys...
...If any one has Walling/Wallen/Wallingford ties or has any ideas of
where to continue this search... please let me know...
...Thank you for any help provided...
Ed Hake bear(a)centercomp.com
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>1. the parish records of Manchester Cathedral prior to 1842 have been
The registers of Manchester cathedral are available from your LDS. 1841
Baptisms are on film # 0438175. It was then the Collegiate Church not the
cathedral, strictly speaking. But the LDS use the term Cathedral - to
simplify things I suppose.
>2. Whether the census for Manchester in 1851/ 1841 is published or indexed
>(apart from available on film by LDS)
I don't think so - but if you hear there is, do let me know.
>3. Does anyone have access to the 1851 Manchester census and could look up
>Holden family (Joseph/Hannah son James)
Sorry, can't help here.
>4. If the family's church was Manchester Cathedral, what does this say about
>where they lived.
Nothing, Manchester cathedral was simply the parish church. Any body in the
entire Manchester area (and even some of the outlying areas) could hatch,
match or dispatch there. Working-class through aristocracy.
>I am about to try to search down James Holden's birth certificate in the
That would be a good idea : - )
Hope this helps,
'The Parsonage Pages' :
Links to my personal family History Database of over 900 persons.
Information on Parsonage name studies
An on-line version of the newsletter 'The Parsonage Pages'.
Birmingham and the Midlands genealogical resources (England).
I am a newcomer to this list, and would appreciate help with any
of the following family lines from Lancashire (or just over the border):
BARROW 1802-1846 Tunstall/Gressingham/Thornton-in-Lonsdale
BESWICK c1844 Bury
BOWKER 1796-1902 Gressingham/Thornton-in-Lonsdale
BOWKER 1874-1910 Barrowford/Whalley/Nelson
CRYER 1844-1877 Rochdale
HOLGATE 1790+ Colne
OLDFIELD 1805-1841 Gressingham/Thornton-in-Lonsdale
SWINDLEHURST c1877 Burnley
Many thanks Neville Price pricenw(a)clear.net.nz
I am a new subscriber and just found out about this list when the
spammer caused many lists to be moved to rootsweb. I have a line of
Ridg(e)way's that go back to John Ridgway b. 1720 prob. in the greater
Manchester area. In the 1880's they were in Dukinfield, Lancs. I
would be interested to hear from anybody regarding the Ridg(e)way name
or the Travers, Worsley, Shaw, Netherwood, Hirst names which have
married into my Ridgway line.
Thanks and bye for now
Halifax, NS, Canada
I have just joined the newsgroup.
It is with some trepidation having claimed total Yorkshire heritage for several
hundred years ;-)
I now find that my paternal G-Grandfather was born in Manchester so I am
a full tyke only of 140 years.
Perhaps I am now entitled to a red rose in one lapel and a white in the other ?
! But what do I do when the counties play cricket ?
My G-Grandfather James Holden was born in 1841 or 1842. (according to
1871 census for Heptonstall he is born "Manchester" and is aged 29.) A
christening is recorded in the IGI of a James Holden, Manchester Cathedral, 24
October 1841 with parents being Joseph Holden and Hannah Sunderland. This gels
as my Grandfather was named Joseph.
Could someone please tell me, if:
1. the parish records of Manchester Cathedral prior to 1842 have been published
2. Whether the census for Manchester in 1851/ 1841 is published or indexed
(apart from available on film by LDS)
3. Does anyone have access to the 1851 Manchester census and could look up tjhe
Holden family (Joseph/Hannah son James)
4. If the family's church was Manchester Cathedral, what does this say about
where they lived.
I am about to try to search down James Holden's birth certificate in the
Thanks, in anticipation.
Doug Holden,in a now wintry Canberra, Australia. Researching: Holden/Sunderland
(Manchester. Lancs and Heptonstall area,WR Yks),
(Heptonstall/Warley/Ovenden, Wr Yks)
>Thanks to the person who recently posted an inquiry concerning a
>Liverpool address location. It brought to mind an address that Ive been
>wondering about, as well. Might you know if it still exists? Any other
>information concerning it would be most helpful! Out of curiosity, I
>recently wrote a letter and sent it to the below address, but it was
>returned as "undeliverable".
>30 Elm Road
There is an Elm Road in Withington which is to the west (slightly) of
Heaton Moor but more importantly there is an Elms Road running between
Heaton Moor and Heaton Chapel - note the 's' on Elm. Whether or not this
is the place you seek and whether or not there are houses on Elms Road,
as opposed to shops, offices, etc., I do not know.
I may have to venture to Stockport in the not too distant future and may
be able to check but don't hold your breath. I'm waiting on a spare part
for a telescope tripod from Japan arriving at a shop there but I've been
waiting for 5 months now !
Thanks Bob Winder and Paul Smith for passing on the information re 22
Kew Street St Martin. Much appreciated.
6 Green Valley Court
Western Australia 6081
> From: Bob Winder <bob(a)winder.demon.co.uk>
> >22 Kew Street, St Martin, Liverpool.
> There is a Kew Street between Scotland Road and Great Homer Street
> although I don't know whether that is the St Martin's district - I've
> never heard it called that. I'd call it Everton or Kirkdale depending
> where the boundary between the two is.
I think this is the correct Kew Street. I have heard this area referred to
as St. Martins on occasions. There is a St. Martins market near by.
Does anyone know of any one doing family recerch on the Chatterton
in England? If you know of someone elch please pass this on to them.
My GGGGrandfather was Amos Anzel Chatterton, born in England before
1780. My generation is the first not to have the Chatterton name. Amos
came to the US in 1802, we don't know whit part of England he is from.
My mother is Ruth C. Chatterton, Born in Mexico, NY, USA
I live in Bristol, CT. USA
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Thanks to the person who recently posted an inquiry concerning a
Liverpool address location. It brought to mind an address that Ive been
wondering about, as well. Might you know if it still exists? Any other
information concerning it would be most helpful! Out of curiosity, I
recently wrote a letter and sent it to the below address, but it was
returned as "undeliverable".
30 Elm Road
My grandfather, Malcolm Roderic Mathews, had received a letter from his
grandmother, Teressa G. Yates', brother's and daughter daughter in
law, Eliza, daughter, Beatrice Yates Proctor, from the above address in
My family has very little information about Teressa. We know she came
from England and that she had a brother and a sister, whose names we do
not know. When she came to Philadelphia, Pa. she married or was already
married to Harold Schulyer Mathews. He came to Philadelphia in
I am anxious to receive any information you might have on the above.
Thank You Kindly!
Judy mathews Schulze, Lewes, Delaware
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