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Subject: Re: [KYOWEN-L] 1850 census update
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:57:32 EST
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I have been keeping my family tree, (Hammon and part of the Wheeler side). I
can give what information that I have starting from Levi Woodson Hammon & Ida
Belle Prather. It gets rather involved, (as if the information on the web site
didn't)! I know that there is alot of information that I don't have, but maybe
I can find out more. I want to thank my cousin Anita Hammon for passing on the
web site information to me, and thank you all at Rootlines for all the
information that you do have! Let me know if you would like me to pass on the
information to you, as current as I have it.
Shelly McClusky (Hammon)
I found a connection to LUSBY/CLIFTON
John and Ann Lusby's daughter Sarah E. b 1841 married Joseph Levin Clifton
1859 in Owen Co. If you have any information on this Lusby line would love to
here from you Thanks Barbara
I found a connection to MASON/CLIFTON
Elizabeth Mason daughter of Sanderson (sp?) and Louisa married George Clifton
12/15/1851 if you have any information on this Mason line would love to here
from you Thanks Barbara
Had some time this past week and I have been updating the 50 census page, and
a BIG THANK YOU to all of you who have provided additional family information.
As I post the new family I am including the neighbors that lived next door, so
some of the pages from the census are almost complete. Again if you find a
family that your connect to and have additional family history please let me
know so I can add this to the page or any corrections, spelling of names, etc.
Have a nice weekend Barbara
I subscribe to Ancestry newletter and thought some of you may want to take a
look at the marriage records "Its FREE"
DATABASE OF THE DAY (Free for 10 Days!) FORM ANCESTRY
Northern Kentucky Marriages, 1795-1850
Situated across the Ohio River from Cincinnati, Ohio, the three Kentucky
counties of Boone, Campbell, and Kenton boasted a total population of over
40,000 in 1850. This database seeks to illuminate a few of those residents
by listing marriages in the three counties between 1795 and 1850.
Information provided includes the names of bride and groom, marriage date
and location. This collection represents every publicly available bit of
information on marriages in the area before 1850.
Bibliography: Worrel, S. "The Northern Kentucky Marriage Database." Orem,
UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1998.
To search this database, go to:
If all of the messages on KYOWEN-L are archived and searchable on rootsweb,
then why would it be beneficial to post them on another web site? Isn't
that going to become cumbersome to manage as well as to review as the list
When I started this list I signed up with the group from Roots-L for list
owners They give help and suggestions on running a list, etc. One suggestion
I read I thought sounded good. "If you have a web page post your list
messages so new subscribers can read what's been going on or others can check
back on old posting." Some say to keep it private others to make it public
and that will be my question to all of you do we want to keep it private or do
I have a connection from the Owen page
I have copied all the messages posted in September. Each message has the
posting date and at end of the message is the writers name and Email address.
I did not included the Civil War mail, they have been posted to the Civil War
page. Let me know what you think. Barbara
The URL for the page is http://members.aol.com/ladyaster7/list.htm
I've updated the information on my web site concering William
Morgan. As well as my other Owen Co. families.
Steven E. Cull
The 8 Dec 1823 date for the marriage of Henry Cobb to Rebecca Osburn is the
bond date. The marriage took place 12 Dec 1823 according to the marriage
Anyone interested in Osborne related information should go to the Osborne
Origins website at http://home.earthlink.net/~lkosborne/osborne/index.htm.
There is a "Record Abstracts" section. Go to that section and then "Other
Records by Locality". There are a bunch of KY marriage records as well as
other Owen Co. records pertaining to the Osbornes. Also visit the Osborne
Origins Linked Family Records. Most of the Osborne families of Grant and Owen
Cos., KY up to about 1900 are included there. If you have additional Osborne
information, please let me know. Thanks.
I recievied a response from Fred Lager this morning on the Owen County
query page. I have tried all morning to get into the website and haven't been
I remember Fred Lager sent something to our group here in Owen County.
Please E-Mail me your information eith here or directly at Leargui(a)aol.com
I gather from the title that you have information on the O'Bannon Martin line
and I am very interested in what you have to say.
Barbara the new marriage postings are great! I do have a question for all my
There is a marriage listed for a Henry Cobb to a Rebecca Osborn on 12/8/ 1823.
Rebecca is John Osborn's daughter. Whose child is Henry Cobb? I know he
doesn't belong to Asa or Delia. I am curious because this was Sam Cobb's
father's name. Please let me know what you have on this.
Also the unnamed Downey who married Philip Jackson may be a Sarah nicknamed
"Sally". A cousin in Franfort had obtained this information several years
ago. I do not know the source for this.
Anyone having a full list of John O'Bannon's and Susannah Martin O'Bannon's
children please compare information with me. I have six of the eight children
that I know about and am still looking for the names of the two other sons.
related to Ruth Alice O'Bannon who married Samuel Perkins on 3/24/1881 I would
like to know her parents and where the name Ruth came from.
Thanks for everything.
On 10/17/1998, a family group record for William LIGON and Ann DAVENPORT was
posted on KYOWEN-L which showed Frances Moseley LIGON as having married
Graham SNODDY on 05/26/1817.
Does anyone have additional information on Graham Snoddy or his family?
Bartlett B. Mason, who came to Owen Co. ca. 1812, had a son John who married
a Nancy Snoddy (no dates are known). I am trying to determine a family
relationship, if any, between Graham Snoddy and Nancy Snoddy.
Jim Mason (mailto:email@example.com)
Researching surnames: MASON, TAYLOR, HOWARD, COOK and related families.
All the Owen marriage records are now on the page, I will have to do some work
to get the ladies list done, they will have to be linked to each page. I had
to retype several of the last few pages so if you see typo's let me know, I
could tell Dorthy Merrifield who originally type these, on a type writer no
less, was getting tired she had a lot of typos at the end, bless her hart if
I did not have a scanner I would have never taken it on, so enjoy and remember
all of her hard work.
For all the new people to the list I have a web page with a lot of material on
Owen Co. and have been transcribing some old marriage records go to
Also please send missing marriage records (through 1855) and I will add these
to the list. Have a nice weekend Barbara
I subscribe to Ancestry and George Morgan writes a column each week.
Following was today's posting and the subject was something I thought everyone
might enjoy reading.
If anyone has stories of Owen Co. history that has been passed down please
share them with the group, again I will be happy to provide space on the Owen
page. PS the civil war page has been updated with all the material everyone
was so kind to send. Thanks Barbara
GEORGE G. MORGAN: "ALONG THOSE LINES . . ."
"Our Ancestors' Everyday Lives"
Have you ever wondered how your ancestors lived, and what their everyday
lives must have been like? Did you ever have the chance to talk to your
parents, grandparents or even great-grandparents about their lives?
This week in "Along Those Lines . . .," I'd like to talk about our ancestors'
~ Asking Questions
When I was a child, my parents often let me spend the night with my
Grandmother Morgan and my aunt, Mary Allen Morgan. At that time, my
grandmother was close to ninety. She was born in 1873 when Ulysses S. Grant
was President, and lived during the administrations of 19 presidents. She
reveled in the fact that she had lived through wagon travel, train travel,
the invention of the automobile and the airplane, the radio, the telephone,
the phonograph and television. She lived through the Spanish American War,
World War I, World War II, the Korean War, and saw little sense in U.S.
involvement in Vietnam. She remembered the sinking of the Maine, the
Titanic, the Lusitania, the Bismarck and other famous vessels. Charles
Lindbergh, Amelia Earhart and Eddie Rickenbacker were more than names to
her; they were real people whose careers she had followed. She remembered
One of the delights I took in these visits to my aunt and grandmother was
sitting with them at night before bedtime and listening to them talk. My
frequent request was, "Tell me about when you were little girls." We'd turn
off the lights, one or the other would begin speaking, and I was transported
to another time and place. In these magical evenings, I learned about my
ancestors and they came to life for me. I learned about the Civil War as my
grandmother had learned about it at the knees of her uncles, men who had
fought the battles. I learned about the lives of the women of the family.
These family stories and traditions fell on the ears of an eager listener,
one whose thirst for more information soon became the quest of a lifetime.
I realize that not everyone is so fortunate as I was. Circumstances made it
impossible for many people to enjoy such a treasured relationship with
another relative, and one who knew so much and was willing to share. While
it is impossible to turn back the clock and make time for such discussions
with all of our ancestors, it is possible to learn about our ancestors'
~ Learning About Our Ancestors' Lives
I've tried to stress the importance of the studying the history of the times
and places in which our ancestors lived. Only through an understanding of
these historical periods can we understand the factors that influenced our
ancestors' decisions and actions. Understanding these factors often helps us
second-guess our ancestors' actions.
Local histories, essays, diaries, letters and period novels can provide a
picture for us of everyday life for our ancestors. While not precisely the
life of our specific ancestors, studying these resources provides insight
into the way people lived at that time.
George Francis Dow's book, "Every Day Life in the Massachusetts Bay Colony,"
is one of the best resources around describing the houses, occupations,
clothing, manners, customs, trade and manufacturing, sports, games, money
and other day-to-day items of the 17th century in that area.
J.B. Alexander's book, "The History of Mecklenburg County (NC) 1740-1900,"
is a classic, detailed historical description of a specific area. While
covering noted personages and historical events, it also details such
day-to-day events as meal preparations, farming practices, recreation
(including fox hunting!) and social practices of these times.
Perhaps you've 'lost' an ancestor in the 1840s and don't know where to look.
Perhaps it's time to look on the other side of the continent. In the 1840s,
thousands of people uprooted themselves and their families to travel
westward in search of good land and a new life. Some rushed to California in
search of gold; some made their way to Texas and other Midwestern or
mid-South states to start ranching. The Mormons made their way to Utah
search of religious freedom. Still others traveled to Oregon and the promise
of a wonderful new region for agricultural settlement. What do you think the
trip was like? Never fear; there are several excellent books available.
"Covered Wagon Women: Diaries and Letters From the Western Trails,
1840-1849," Volumes 1 & 2, edited and compiled by Kenneth L. Holmes, and
Lillian Schlissel's "Women's Diaries of the Westward Journey" are excellent
collections of materials describing life before, during and after the westward
migration by wagon.
The books listed above (bibliography follows at the end of the column) all
provide excellent starting points for your historical research into the
everyday lives of your ancestors.
Hearing stories of events from people who lived through them is an exciting
experience. It helps bring otherwise dry material and dead ancestors to
life. I encourage you to talk with your older relatives and gain a better
understanding of the past. Listen to their stories and their perspectives,
their hopes and dreams, their disappointments, the stories of their parents
and siblings, the things they lived through. These people have wonderful
stories to recount of people and events emblazoned in their memories. The
stories are part of your family tradition and, as genealogists and family
historians, it is our honor and duty to help perpetuate them.
Neither my aunt nor my grandmother lived to see a man land on the moon,
though they both longed to be part of the experience. I wonder what they
would think of our computers, the online services and the Internet. These
are part of our everyday experiences. How will we communicate details of our
everyday lives to future generations?
Happy hunting! George
Alexander, J.B. "The History of Mecklenburg County (NC) 1740-1900." 1902.
Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1996. (Note: This book was originally
published by The Observer Press, Charlotte, NC, in 1902.)
Dow, George Francis. "Every Day Life in the Massachusetts Bay Colony." New
York: Dover Publications, Inc., 1988. (Note: This book is available in soft
cover. It was originally published in 1935.)
Holmes, Kenneth L., ed. "Covered Wagon Women: Diaries and Letters From the
Western Trails, 1840-1849," Volumes 1 & 2. Bison Books/University of
Nebraska Press, 1995.
Schlissel, Lillian, "Women's Diaries of the Westward Journey." New York:
Schocken Books, 1992.
Apparently the Morgan boys didn't care to much for there
Kentucky Owen County Court April term 1848
A writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of William
Morgan, deceased, was this day produced in court by Mary Morgan the
executrix and John Brown, the executor (named therein) for probate;
thereupon Elijah Morgan, Thomas Morgan, William Morgan and Milton
Morgan by their attorney, appeared and opposed the probate thereof,
alleging that said deceased was incapable of making a will and undue
influence being exercised over him in the making same and the evidence
being heard and the Court sufficiently advised is of the opinion that
decedent was capable of making there was no undo influence exercised
and that said writhing is True last Will and Testament of the said
deceased, and therefore the same is ordered to be recorded as such,
which is accordingly done.
Given under my hand the date above.
R.R. Revill, Clk
Steven E. Cull
CULL, GADDIE, MOSCOE, BREEDEN, DUFFER, BALL, MORGAN
This information comes from a file at the Owen Co. Library. As
time permits I'll be collecting the rest of the file. I'll pass it along as
I get it.
William "Preacher" Morgan, according to census records, was born
between 1760 and 1770. His tombstone says 1755. When he first
came to Kentucky sometime between 1806 and 1808, his wife's
name was Elizabeth. He was a minister at Mountain Island Baptist
Church and preached many years (about 70) at Salem Baptist
Church along Big Twin Creek. His wife at the time of his death was
His children were:
William Sr. died Dec. 28, 1847, and is buried in the cemetery at
Salem Baptist Church. His will reads as follows:
Will of William Morgan Sr.
In the name of God, Amen, I William Morgan of the County of Owen and
State of Kentucky being of sound mind and memory and calling to mind
that it is appointed for man to die and after death to come to Judgment I
bequeath my soul to Almighty God and my body to the earth to be
buryed in a decent manner at the discretion of my executors which shall
be hereafter named And as to my earthly property which it hath pleased
God to bestow on me I wish to be disposed of as follows. After all my
just debts and funeral expenses is paid it is my will and desire that my
beloved wife Mary shall have the profits arising from my land during her
natural life or widowhood also the interest arising from all money I may
die possessed and should her real need require the principal or any part
thereof it is my will that she may have it during her natural life or
widowhood but upon her death or marriage it is my desire that my land
shall be sold on a credit of on an two year credit and that my executors
convey my right and title to the purchaser My household and kitchen
furniture with the exception of one bed stead and furniture I bequeath to
my wife Mary as her own right and property forever to give to whom she
pleases the above named bed ant I give to my beloved son Benjamin also
on half of my stock of horses, cattle and all other kinds of stock that
remain at my death. I give to my beloved wife Mary to do with as she
may wish the other half of my stock upon my decease sold to the highest
bidder on a credit of twelve months and the proceeds of that sale divided
amongst my children namely John William Elijah Thomas Benjamin and
my daughter Susan equally and it is my will and desire that the proceeds
of my land and what money may remain upon the death or marriage of my
beloved wife Mary shall be divided equally amongst my children above
named it is further my desire that my son Thomas my continue where he
now lives and to have the same privilege e now has while he conducts
himself agreeable to the contract made with him it is further my desire
that all my farming utensils may remain on my farm during my wifes life or
widowhood, the express understanding is that the land my son Thomas
now has rent free he has no longer that during my natural life and upon
my death all contracts concerning farming will be null and void. Lastly I
appoint my beloved wife Mary my executrix and my loving friend John
Brown my executor to execute this my last will and testament.
Signed sealed and delivered in the presence of attested by Enoch
Johnston and John Gregory
Steven E. Cull
CULL, GADDIE, MOSCOE, BREEDEN, DUFFER, BALL, MORGAN
OK I now have A - S on line this is taking a little longer because of the poor
quality of some of the pages it does not scan well If you see typos please let
me know I will correct cannot catch everything. For those of you new to the
list I have been adding the marriage records to my Owen web page go to:
Hope everyone is enjoying this fall weather, we are finally having some nice
weather except for all the rain. Barbara
John Francis HILLARD died 1914 Lusby's Mill, Owen Co., KY.
Parents were Henry Hillard and Martha HOOPER.
He married, 1860, Nancy Ann PERKINS, d/o William (or John) Perkins. Her
mother was a LAY. She died Lusby's Mill 1920.
All these folks were in Washington Co., KY in 1850 census.
John and Nancy buried in unmarked graves at Mussel Shoals Baptist Church
near Lusby's Mill.
Georgia Ann, one daughter of John and Nancy, was born 1867, Washington Co.,
KY, married Leander William BLACK, lived at Lusby's Mill in Owen Co., KY,
and died 24 May 1943.
Would appreciate any help acquiring additional info about these folks. Of
course I would be happy to share any data I have.
Please visit my web site
PO Box 6046, Florence KY 41022-6046
Your reply was just as I thought it would be... Not much substance about why
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I personally see more Chevys (ICQ) users than any others.
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Go to : www.ICQ.comwww.mrabilis.com Download your own free
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Souder/ Bennett/ Wainscott/ Wright/ Richardson
Clifton/ Scudder/ Lancaster (Owen & Madison Co., Kentucky)
McKinney/ Bailey/ Cassity/ Williams/ Wilson/ Owen/ Archer
Hasty/ Carter/ Chastain/ Gill/ Murdock/ Richards/ Grant/ Ammon
(Rowan, Bath, Morgan, Lincoln, Clark Co.'s., KY.<VA, <NC.)
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From: mmadmin(a)connect.ab.ca <mmadmin(a)connect.ab.ca>
To: WRIGHT-L(a)rootsweb.com <WRIGHT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 1:15 AM
Subject: clarification of irc
>I really dont want to clarify to much, I just want to create a forum for
>discussion, that can take place in the moment. One form of that is IRC, the
>other (which was brought to my attention) is mplayer which allows you to
>have a vocal discussion, the only thing is you must have a mic as well as
>speakers, and could also be used very intensely. I would like to try IRC
>first simply because of the ease of use, and unfortunately it still
>As far as IRC is concerned,
> Internet Relay Chat (IRC) is one of the
>most popular and most interactive services on the Internet. Sure, the Web
>is nice for finding info and E-mail beats snailmail hands
> down, but when you've been wondering 'where the others
>are?', then IRC is what you're looking for.
> IRC is the net's equivalent of CB radio. But unlike
>CB, Internet Relay Chat lets people all over the world participate in
>real-time conversations. IRC is where the Net
> comes alive!
> Using an IRC client (program) you can exchange text
>messages interactively with other people all over the world. Some of the
>more popular chat clients are mIRC, Pirch,
> and Virc for Windows and Homer or Ircle for Mac's.
>What program you use doesn't really matter; all of them connect to the same
>chat networks. When logged into a chat
> session, you "converse" by typing messages that are
>instantly sent to other chat participants.
> Meeting people. IRC is great fun and you'll sure meet
>lots of interesting people and find nice spots to hang out! But, IRC is not
>something that you should just jump into
> without first reading up on it. You could feel very
>lost if you do not know some basic commands before you enter IRC, and you
>might not even know how to get out of IRC
> after that :o) So, we suggest you read some
>documentation (help files, readmes, FAQs etc) before you get connected to
>an IRC server, or it can be very frustrating for you
> when you get stuck. No worries, all info you need is
>available on mIRC's web pages and... mIRC makes things really simple!
> How to use IRC.
> As in life -and CB radio- not all those chatters have
>something interesting to say, but some do, and many people have developed
>lasting friendships through IRC. Even
> marriages have resulted from relationships first
>forged on IRC. In fact, some people have become so addicted to chatting on
>the Internet that there's a Usenet newsgroup
> entitled alt.irc.recovery.
> The value of IRC depends on how you use it. IRC can
>keep you company when you can't sleep, contribute to family togetherness
>and cut your phone bill. It also can expose
> you to unpleasant behavior. Chats can get wild and
>woolly, and anyone (male or female) who takes on a female persona is likely
>to be hit on. There is indeed a great deal of
> sextalk, sleaze and garbage on IRC, and one should
>exercise caution in allowing children to access the IRC without
>supervision. But, as an adult, you are free to visit only the
> channels you choose, and there is also a great deal of
>positive communication going on.
> IRC gained international fame during the Gulf War in
>1991, where updates from around the world came accross the wire, and most
>irc users who were online at the time
> gathered on a single channel to hear these reports.
>IRC had similar uses during the coup against Boris Yeltsin in September
>1993, where IRC users from Moscow were
> giving live reports about the unstable situation
> As you see, Internet Relay Chat is a great way to talk
>to people from all over the world about anything at all. On top of the
>latest world news there are many help related and
> tech support channels where you can get immediate
>assistance with perplexing computer related problems on the spot and in
>easy to read typewritten form!
>ICQ is great, it is exceptionally good for tracking people down, as well as
>enhancing relationships that already exist (granted some acquaintances can
>be made through ICQ) I find that IRC is easy to use, easy to understand,
>and easy to have groups of people chatting at once, without too much
>THIS, I PROMISE, IS MY LAST MESSAGE REGARDING THIS, MY WEBPAGE WILL BE
>UPDATED AND THE SCHEDULE WILL BE PLACED ON MY WEBPAGE.
>Thanks guys, look forward to meeting everybody real soon, and please if you
>are having any problems please contact me.
>Check out the Wrights that i know about....
>Once a Wright, and now I'm always wrong....
A lot of researchers do not know that Roots-L archives all posting /or do not
know how to get into the archives. The following was posted on another list I
belong to wanted to pass it on
Just type in the name: "Surname" "County Name" etc.
Then use any search words to find any messages pertaining to your query.
I have used this to search out family names and the nice thing you do not have
to join the list to read the postings, Also nice for new list members to
catch up on what has been going on and to pick up back messages and general
Is anyone on our list related to Philip Jackson who married a Downey in Scott
county around 1800?
I am related to her sister Jane Downey who married John D. Perkins and am
trying to find her sister's first name. There were five Downey children:
William Downey, Andrew Downey, Jane Downey, James Downey and the unnamed
daughter who married Philip Jackson.
The three boys moved with their father to Greene County, Ohio in 1804, but the
two daughters and their husbands remained in Scott and later Owen County.
Please let me know if anyone is related.