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in search Dudley Curl and wife Penelope Williams.
Dudley- B abt. 1771
(not to be confused with the Dudley born Goochland, VA Mar 24, 1760- died
c1807--this info apparently from a Bible held by someone in VA),
Married Penelope April 23, 1792 in Bourbon Cty. Penelope born 1776
Boonesboro, Montgomery Cty, KY, died Mar 17, 1863, Wakenda Twp, Carroll Cty.
MO. Known to have been in Estill, Clark, Montgomery Ctys. possibly Mt.
Need names of children.
Need names of Dudley's parents, his birthplace and date.
Any info gladly accepted. This is my "brickwall!"
I thought these two items might express some of your hopes and frustrations.
Have a happy brick-wall-breaking New Year!
The following is to be sung to the tune of "The Twelve Days of Christmas".
On the twelfth day of Christmas
My true love gave to me,
Twelve census searches,
Eleven printer ribbons,
Ten e-mail contacts,
Nine headstone rubbings,
Eight birth and death dates,
Seven town clerks sighing,
Six second cousins,
Five coats of arms,
Four GEDCOM files,
Three old wills,
And a branch in my family tree.
Tracing My Family Tree
I started out calmly tracing my tree
To find, if I could, the makings of me. And all that I had was great
grandfather's name Not knowing his wife or from which way he came. I chased
him across a long line of states And came up with pages and pages of dates.
When all put together it made me forlorn
I'd proven poor great grandpa had never been born!! One day I was sure the
truth I had found Determined to turn this whole thing upside down I looked
up the records of one Uncle John But found the old man to be younger than
son! Then when my hopes were fast growing dim I came across records that
must have been him. The facts I collected then made me quite sad Dear old
great Grandfather was never a Dad! I think maybe someone is pulling my leg.
I'm not at all sure I wasn't hatched from an egg. After hundreds of dollars
I've spent on my tree I can't help but wonder if I'm really me!!
Mrs. Charles Dean
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A kindly 90-year-old grandmother found buying presents for family and
friends a bit much one Christmas, so she wrote out checks for all of them to
put in her Christmas cards. She wrote "Buy your own present" after her name
on them then sent them off.
After the Christmas festivities were over, she found the checks in her desk!
It's been some time since I have updated you on the progress of my ongoing project titled "The Early Families of Bourbon County, Kentucky: 1775-1820." For those not familiar with my project, I am attempting to document the history and genealogy of the people who settled in--and traveled through--the present day boundaries of Bourbon County, Kentucky, during the time period above specified.
In my initial information gathering stage of research (which officially ended June 2000), I asked fellow researchers to submit their research to the project with the understanding that I would fully credit them for their efforts. The outpouring of data from these folks was truly remarkable, so much so that I am a bit overwhelmed by it. I still have thousands of names to input into my database.
Because of this enormous response (and my compulsive obsessive need to get everything right), I have had to rethink the completion date for my project. My original estimation to complete this project was the summer of 2001. I have now decided to change both the scope of the project and the dates for publication.
The Scope. I have long since come to realize that any attempt to adequately document the history and genealogy of Bourbon County between the years 1775-1820 will require a multi-volume approach because there is simply too much data to compress within a single volume. Therefore, I will present the material in volumes representing time periods. I envision perhaps as many as nine volumes, as follows:
Volume I: 1775-1780.
Volume II: 1781-1785
Volume III: 1786-1790
Volume IV: 1791-1795
Volume V: 1796-1800
Volume VI: 1801-1805
Volume VII: 1806-1810
Volume VIII: 1811-1815
Volume IX: 1816-1820
Depending upon the amount of data collected in the time periods, I may consolidate some volumes into ten year blocks.
Dates for Publication. If all goes well, I will complete Volume I by the end of this summer. I will keep everyone informed about the progress of future volumes as I complete them.
Volume Content. My plan is to break each volume into two parts--history and genealogy. The history section will provide a general overview of the migration of families and development of various communities within the county during the given time period. The genealogy section will present the genealogy of various families (especially those who settled in the region) up to the turn of the twentieth century.
1920A Butner St.
Ft. Eustis, VA 23604
I have joined a free Genealogy web site titled GenCircles. It looks above-board and has some great features other free genealogy sites lack. Check it out at: http://www.gencircles.com
Don't forget folks, I am the ONLY one allowed to submit phunnies to the
lists... :) Have a great week.. Jeannie <>< List Mom
DUMBWAITER: One who asks if the kids would care
to order dessert.
FAMILY PLANNING: The art of spacing your children the
proper distance apart to keep you on the edge of financial disaster.
FEEDBACK: The inevitable result when your baby doesn't
appreciate the strained carrots.
FULL NAME: What you call your child when you're mad at him.
GRANDPARENTS: The people who think your children are wonderful
even though they're sure you're not raising them right.
HEARSAY: What toddlers do when anyone mutters a dirty word.
IMPREGNABLE: A woman whose memory of labor is still vivid.
INDEPENDENT: How we want our children to be as long as
they do everything we say.
OW: The first word spoken by children with older siblings.
PUDDLE: A small body of water that draws other small bodies
wearing dry shoes into it.
SHOW OFF: A child who is more talented than yours.
STERILIZE: What you do to your first baby's pacifier by boiling
it and to your last baby's pacifier by blowing on it.
TOP BUNK: Where you should never put a child wearing Superman
TWO MINUTE WARNING: When the baby's face turns red and she
begins to make those familiar grunting noises.
VERBAL: Able to whine in words.
WHODUNIT: None of the kids that live in your house.
WEEKEND: When Dad gets to play golf (etc.) while Mom catches up
on the laundry, cleans the house, runs errands, etc..
Dear Nicholas County list:
During some research last week I ran across a marriage of Alexander Ramsey
and Jane Stephenson in Nicholas County, KY, in 1823. I have been trying to
find out about all Alexander Ramsey/Ramsay people in that area of Kentucky,
but have no idea who this one is. Does anyone know about this particular
Thanks and happy holidays!
Alice J. Ramsay
Lombard, IL USA
[ "No duty is more urgent than that of returning thanks." -- Saint Ambrose ]
>For those of you who have Illinios families.
>Change your links. The State Archives web site has grown and moved to:
>The genealogy pages are at:
>For a Great 1895 Kansas State Census searchable website (you can also
>select soundex), go to: http://www.kshs.org/library/cens8ks.htm Below is
>a definition of the website:
>The 1895 census lists all members of household by name, including age,
>sex, race or color, & state or country of birth. Also listed: where from
>to Kansas (state or country) & military record (condition of discharge,
>state of enlistment, letter or name of company or command, number of
>regiment or other organization to which attached, arm of the service, &
>name of military prison if confined in one).
For those of you who don't rec. the ads from Ancestry on line this was on
this morning... jeannie <><
A new service is testing the feasibility of using the Internet to fill
requests at the Library of Congress. With the service, the Library is now
filling interlibrary loan requests for small, fragile items by scanning the
material and making the images available over the Internet.
Under the new service, which is still in its early stages, the requesting
library is alerted that although the item is non- circulating, it will be
available at a specific time as a digital image. These images can be viewed
and copied from the Library's interlibrary loan Web site and from the online
The service is intended to explore the practicality of scanning, storing,
and delivering materials as digital images within the time requirements of
interlibrary loan clients. In its initial stage, the service will scan
titles that are:
* In the public domain,
* Non-circulating because of physical condition or age,
* Able to be captured in a relatively small digital file, and that
* Have a cataloging record on the Web in which to place a link.
The motto of the service is "Copy Once, Access Always." Items scanned so far
include eyewitness accounts from the Civil War, a small volume of African
American dialect poems and photographs, and a farcical account of a marriage
ceremony at a racetrack. These and other examples of items requested by
interlibrary loan clients can be seen online.
In the past, small items that were too fragile to circulate on interlibrary
loan had to be photocopied. If the item was requested again, the same
procedure had to be repeated. By scanning this material and linking the
images to the cataloging record, the Library responds to the initial
interlibrary loan request, helps conserve the original item by eliminating
the need for further photocopying, and makes the digital copy widely
In preparation for digital delivery, each item is reviewed and treated by
conservation staff as necessary, then scanned and archived as a 300 dpi TIFF
image by staff from the Library's Information Technology Services. The
archived images are then converted to PDF format and stored as single-item
files on a publicly accessible server. PDF was chosen as the format because
of its ease of access and the ability to download and print the entire work
as one file. A link to the PDF file is also added to the catalog record on
the Web, substituting a mouse click for a loan request in the future and
increasing the accessibility of the Library's collections to remote users
The new service began in earnest in mid-October with the delivery of a
Revolutionary War broadside, a 19th-century pamphlet on the Hawaiian
reciprocity treaty, and an item on freemasonry-all with deadlines. As it
matures, the service's administrators will evaluate the acceptability of
digital images in lieu of photocopies and explore how to integrate a digital
scanning operation into routine document delivery services.
Small items in the public domain currently make up less than 1 percent of
items requested from the Library of Congress, or approximately 350 items per
year at the current level of use. However, the service has already proved
popular as an alternative to photocopying for rare material and may actually
increase the number of items "circulated" from previously off-limits
Most of you have already read this, but it is good a second time around.
Jeannie <>< List Mom
Christmas Carol History
What in the world do leaping lords, French hens, swimming swans, and
especially that partridge who won't come out of the pear tree have to do
>From 1558 until 1829, Roman Catholics in England were not allowed to
practice their faith openly. Someone during that era wrote this carol as a
catechism song for young Catholics. It has two levels of meaning; the
surface meaning, plus a hidden meaning known only to members of their
church. Each element in the carol has a code word for a religious reality,
which the children could remember.
1.. The partridge in a pear tree was Jesus Christ.
2.. Two turtledoves were the Old and New Testaments.
3.. Three French hens stood for faith, hope and love.
4.. The four calling birds were the four gospels of Matthew, Mark,
Luke, and John.
5.. The Five golden rings recalled the Torah or Law, the first five
books of the Old Testament.
6.. The six geese a-laying stood for the six days of creation.
7.. Seven swans a-swimming represented the sevenfold gifts of the Holy
Spirit: Prophesy, Serving, Teaching, Exhortation, Contribution, Leadership,
8.. The eight maids a-milking were the eight beatitudes.
9.. Nine ladies dancing were the nine fruit of the Holy Spirit: Love,
Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness
10..The ten lords a-leaping were the Ten Commandments.
11..Eleven pipers piping stood for the eleven faithful disciples.
12..Twelve drummers drumming symbolized the twelve points of belief in
the Apostles' Creed.
So there is your history lesson for today and now you know how that strange
song became a Christmas Carol!
Boy, will I hear about this one
:) jd. <><
WE Should Have Known!
According to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, both male and female
reindeer grow antlers in the summer each year-the only members of the deer
family, Cervidae, to have females do so.
Male reindeer drop their antlers at the beginning of winter, usually late
November to mid December.
Female reindeer retain their antlers till after they give birth in the
Therefore, according to every historical rendition depicting Santa's
reindeer, every single one of them, from Rudolph to Blitzen.......had to be
a girl! We should've known that since they were always able to find their
Boy did I ever goof up... I cut and pasted something to the e-mail instead
of sending a URL to the list... as there are some on the list with the
webtv and they can't open some of the URL's.. In doing so the back ground
had a color to it and that created the NL that is strewed thru out the
e-mail.. I am sorry.. jeannie <><
Gifts You Can Give Year Round[NL][NL][NL]The Gift of Praise[NL]Appropriate
mention, right in front of the other fellow,[NL]of superior qualities or of
a job or deeds well done.[NL][NL]The Gift of Consideration[NL]Putting
yourself in the other's shoes and thus [NL]providing your genuine
understanding of his side of the case.[NL][NL]The Gift of
Concession[NL]Humbly saying at just the right point, [NL]"I am sorry, you
are right and I am wrong."[NL][NL]The Gift of Gratitude[NL]Never forgetting
to say "Thank You" and never failing to mean it.[NL][NL]The Gift of
Attention[NL]When the other fellow speaks, listen attentively.[NL]If his
words are directed to you personally, meet his eye squarely.[NL][NL]The Gift
of Inspiration[NL]Plant seeds of courage and action in the other person's
heart.[NL][NL]The Gift of Personal Presence[NL]In sickness, in trouble, or
in great joy,[NL]there is nothing quite equal to your personal expression
of[NL]sympathy or congratulations. Resolve to give these gifts each
day.[NL]You will be pleasantly surprised at what you will receive in
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