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Would like to communicate with anyone with CUNNION and KIERNAN
families that lived in Drumlish.
John CUNNION (born probably before 1800 and died before 1869) had, at
least, two sons, Owen/Eugene born about 1821 and Patrick born about
1836. Johwas recorded deceased on Patrick's English marriage
certificate.
Owen/Eugene CUNNION married Bridget KIERNAN bef 1847 and in Drumlish
baptized John 4 Jul 1847 (sponsors John KIERNAN and Catherine Quinn).
Owen then spent 7 years in prison in Bermuda and Spike Prison, Dublin,
for trying to steal a weapon for the rebellion (Anglo-Celt, published
in Cavan, County Cavan, July 2 1847 and reserach done by David Leahy).
On return Owen/Eugene and Bridget baptized the following children in
Drumlish: Patrick 16 Aug 1856 (sponsors Cornelius Reynolds, Mary
Quinn) ; John Joseph 20 Jul 1858 (John McGlinn, Mary Quinn); Margaret
Rose, 9 Sep 1861 (Patrick CUNNION, Mary Quinn); Mary 24 Oct 1865
(Michael Reynolds, Mary Devin).
There was a Michael CUNNION baptized 18 Mar 1836, parents James
CUNNION and Mary MacPartland in Drumlish (sponsors James Jordon, Mary
McPartland). This James CUNNION may be the same, and was the only
CUNNION that is in the the Title Applotment Books of County Longford
(1823-1835) caring for his mother.
Most CUNNIONs seem to be located across the border in Leitrim and can
be found in the Diocese of Ardagh & Clonmacnois, Cloone Parish. LDS
microfilm #1279233. At the present time I have not been able to link
with these CUNNIONs.
Patrick CUNNION next appeared as Patrick CUNION, age 24, in Wisbech,
Cambridge, England, when he married Bridget MCCABE, age 21, on 2 Aug
1869, witnessed by John MCCABE and Mary Brady. In England they had two
children, John F CUNION b abt Aug 1870 and Mary Ann CUNION b abt Feb
1871. I could not find their recorded births in the present online UK
BMD records. None of the family appeared in the 1871 England census.
My present theory is two MCCABE sisters, Rose and Bridget, from
Longford were maids near Cambridge. Bridget replaced Rose after her
recorded marriage. Pat Cunnion went to England to marry Bridget. No
other MCCABE BMDs in Wisbeach from Sep 1837 to 1900 except for a Pat
MCCABE died 1851 and James MCCABE wed in 1883. It would not be unusual
for the MCCABEs to have been servants.
Brothers, Owen and Patrick and their familes, were then found in
Lewiston, Maine, as CUNIONs with slightly different birthdays and
years. They were not in the 1870 US census. Patrick had a son, Owen P,
born in 1876 (according to census data but no birth record found yet).
Their first official appearance was in the 1878-79 Lewiston City
directory living in the slums around the city gas factory (Gas House
Patch). Their census data of entry into the US varied by year and
person with ranges from 1867 to 1875. No naturalizations records can
be found as of yet. From oral history, these families may have entered
the US through New York City and spend a few years in the immigrant
slums before being recruited to work in the cotton mills in Lewiston.
If anyone would like information on the Maine branches of the CUNNION/
CUNION families I would gladly share them.
Stephen Owen Cunnion
cunnion(a)mac.com
Searching for information in regard to the Sheridan's of Cavan (township of
Comegall?)
James was born about 1756 and was living in Dublin in 1789. His wife's name
as Jane but I have no further information except he was sentenced in Dublin
in 1789 for stealing candlesticks. Before sailing to NSW on the "Queen" in
1791 he was sent to Newfoundland and was returned to Dublin to await
transportation to NSW.
Any information on the Sheridan family in Cavan (there were some Sheridans
on the Flax index 1796) would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Irene Schaffer
Hobart
Tasmania
Irene
Email: schafferi(a)optusnet.com.au
Irene's Website: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi
Lady Nelson: www.ladynelson.org.au
Hello Irene. I don't know if this SHERIDAN is related to yours or not, but
I thought I'd post this anyways. It is hard to trace women when their name
changes, so this might be helpful info to someone. SHERIDAN is a collateral
line for me.
I have a Bridget SHERIDAN who was born in Ireland about 1854. Her parents
were Francis SHERIDAN and Catherine MASTERSON, who were both born in
Ireland. She married Charles O'REILLY who was born in 1851 in Co Longford,
Ireland. They immigrated to Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio after 1880, but
certainly by 1910. That is the first census that I find them. Although in
the 1910 US Census it says they immigrated in 1880, their daughter,
Catherine, is reported as being born in Ireland about 1884. Joseph was born
15 Aug 1878 in Ireland; Catherine was born 06 Nov 1886 in Ireland per their
Ohio death records.
1910 United States Federal Census Record
Image Source: Year: 1910; Census Place: 11-Wd Toledo, Lucas, Ohio; Series:
T624; Roll: 1210; Page: 60B; ED: 136; Part: 1; April 25, 1910, Line 62-65;
Dwelling 164; Family 164, Street Address: 1022 Broadway
Property: Owned, Mortgaged, House
LIne 62 - Head - Charles OREILLY, w, m, age 60, abt 1850, IRE/IRE/IRE,
Married 31 yrs, Occup: Merchant; Dry Goods [Emp], Immigr 1880, naturalized
LIne 63 - Wife - Briget OREILLY, w, f, age 55, abt 1854, IRE/IRE/IRE,
married 31 years, bore 2 children both are surviving
LIne 64 - Son - Joseph P. OREILLY, w, m, age 30, abt 1880, IRE/IRE/IRE, no
occupation
LIne 65 - Dau - Catherine A. OREILLY, w, f, age 26, abt 1884, IRE/IRE/IRE,
no occupation
Bridget died on 25 Dec 1913 of acute bronchitis complicated by asthma in
Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio leaving Charles widowed. She is buried in
Calvary Cemetery in Toledo as well.
[Death Record: OREILLY, Bridget, Death date: 12/25/1913, Lucas County,
Volume #1247, Certificate #70752]
I hope this helps someone researching. If anyone has any further info on
this couple, let me know.
Donna
Michigan, USA
Would like to communicate with anyone with CUNNION and KIERNAN
families that lived in Drumlish.
John CUNNION (born probably before 1800 and died before 1869) had, at
least, two sons, Owen/Eugene born about 1821 and Patrick born about
1836. Johwas recorded deceased on Patrick's English marriage
certificate.
Owen/Eugene CUNNION married Bridget KIERNAN bef 1847 and in Drumlish
baptized John 4 Jul 1847 (sponsors John KIERNAN and Catherine Quinn).
Owen then spent 7 years in prison in Bermuda and Spike Prison, Dublin,
for trying to steal a weapon for the rebellion (Anglo-Celt, published
in Cavan, County Cavan, July 2 1847 and reserach done by David Leahy).
On return Owen/Eugene and Bridget baptized the following children in
Drumlish: Patrick 16 Aug 1856 (sponsors Cornelius Reynolds, Mary
Quinn) ; John Joseph 20 Jul 1858 (John McGlinn, Mary Quinn); Margaret
Rose, 9 Sep 1861 (Patrick CUNNION, Mary Quinn); Mary 24 Oct 1865
(Michael Reynolds, Mary Devin).
There was a Michael CUNNION baptized 18 Mar 1836, parents James
CUNNION and Mary MacPartland in Drumlish (sponsors James Jordon, Mary
McPartland). This James CUNNION may be the same, and was the only
CUNNION that is in the the Title Applotment Books of County Longford
(1823-1835) caring for his mother.
Most CUNNIONs seem to be located across the border in Leitrim and can
be found in the Diocese of Ardagh & Clonmacnois, Cloone Parish. LDS
microfilm #1279233. At the present time I have not been able to link
with these CUNNIONs.
Patrick CUNNION next appeared as Patrick CUNION, age 24, in Wisbech,
Cambridge, England, when he married Bridget MCCABE, age 21, on 2 Aug
1869, witnessed by John MCCABE and Mary Brady. In England they had two
children, John F CUNION b abt Aug 1870 and Mary Ann CUNION b abt Feb
1871. I could not find their recorded births in the present online UK
BMD records. None of the family appeared in the 1871 England census.
My present theory is two MCCABE sisters, Rose and Bridget, from
Longford were maids near Cambridge. Bridget replaced Rose after her
recorded marriage. Pat Cunnion went to England to marry Bridget. No
other MCCABE BMDs in Wisbeach from Sep 1837 to 1900 except for a Pat
MCCABE died 1851 and James MCCABE wed in 1883. It would not be unusual
for the MCCABEs to have been servants.
Brothers, Owen and Patrick and their familes, were then found in
Lewiston, Maine, as CUNIONs with slightly different birthdays and
years. They were not in the 1870 US census. Patrick had a son, Owen P,
born in 1876 (according to census data but no birth record found yet).
Their first official appearance was in the 1878-79 Lewiston City
directory living in the slums around the city gas factory (Gas House
Patch). Their census data of entry into the US varied by year and
person with ranges from 1867 to 1875. No naturalizations records can
be found as of yet. From oral history, these families may have entered
the US through New York City and spend a few years in the immigrant
slums before being recruited to work in the cotton mills in Lewiston.
If anyone would like information on the Maine branches of the CUNNION/
CUNION families I would gladly share them.
Stephen Owen Cunnion
cunnion(a)mac.com
I would appreciate a look up for my Morton family, in Longford, prior to the famine, particularly in the Toome area.
In particular, I am looking for a Peter (Henry) Morton, and his Father, John Morton, and his brother, John Morton.
Kindest Regards
Jim White
Naples, Florida
Thanks for looking that information up Brian. I didn't give all the details
as I didn't expect someone to do a lookup. By 1901 I know James was in
County Roscommon as by this time he was serving there with the constabulary.
His family may be the Michael McCarthy (and co) on the 1901 census living in
Aughadowry/Killoe but because I can't find James baptism/birth record I
can't be sure.
Many thanks anyway.
Neil McCarthy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Wray" <bjwray(a)eircom.net>
To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] IRL-LONGFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144
> According to David Leahy's book there were only 2 James McCarthy listed in
> co Longford in the 1901 census:
> James at Thomas Kiernan's of Barrack St, Granard and one at Winefid
> McGuiness's of Aghaboy (Aghaboy DED).
>
> Brian
>>
>> Yes, I've been using it too - for Longford and other counties. A bit
>> expensive but an advance to what was before and I made some great
>> genealogical progress.
>>
>> My frustration is that I can't locate my granddad (James MCCARTHY b.1875)
>> who should be there, as he clearly identified Longford as his native
>> county
>> in a service record I have. Clues suggest his family could have lived in
>> either Killoe Parish or Columbkille Parish.
>>
>> Looking for reasons I can't find him, I've looked at the sources list on
>> the
>> Longford IFHF site but am not sure if it actually covers all parishes or
>> not. Are they all there or are some still waiting to be transcribed or do
>> some not exist.
>>
>> Another thought is the extent to which families moved from county to
>> county.
>> James father (Michael) was a farmer and I'd guessed they would tend to
>> stay
>> in one parish. Can anyone comment on this question.
>>
>> Neil McCarthy
>> New Zealand
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <IRED52(a)aol.com>
>> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:30 PM
>> Subject: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
>>
>>
>>> Hello Christina and others on the list. I have used the IFHF site and
>>> have
>>> found a few family members. I even ordered some of the records. I used
>>> them to
>>> confirm some information I had or to lead me in a new direction. When
>>> ordering it is a bit expensive but since I can't fly to Ireland it
>>> works
>>> for me.
>>> Some records are a bit disappointing in their brevity but overall I am
>>> satisfied. It is a great search tool if you know your ancestors are
>>> from
>>> Longford
>>> even better if you know the area and have time frames. Like you
>>> mentioned
>>> I hope
>>> others are using the site and just not talking about it.
>>> Be well,
>>> Ellenjane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://longford.brsgenealogy.com/search.php
>>>> I don't see that those on the Longford list are trying this database
>>>> out
>>>> as much
>>>> as my other lists seem to be???
>>>> Maybe it is just that no one is talking about it.
>>>>
>>>> Christina
>>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:17:57 +0100
>> From: "Christine Dobson" <christine.dobson(a)ntlworld.com>
>> Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
>> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Message-ID: <001b01c9342f$753dee30$22d81052@christinc63b79>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> There does not seem to be all of the records of this site - I have
>> extensive
>> info from Columbkille parish on my Stakem line but quite a lot of these
>> records are not shown on this site. Having said that I have found
>> records
>> that I did not have. So I guess it is the luck of the draw.
According to David Leahy's book there were only 2 James McCarthy listed in
co Longford in the 1901 census:
James at Thomas Kiernan's of Barrack St, Granard and one at Winefid
McGuiness's of Aghaboy (Aghaboy DED).
Brian
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To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: IRL-LONGFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 144
>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:28:35 +1300
> From: The McCarthys <the.mccarthys(a)paradise.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
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> Yes, I've been using it too - for Longford and other counties. A bit
> expensive but an advance to what was before and I made some great
> genealogical progress.
>
> My frustration is that I can't locate my granddad (James MCCARTHY b.1875)
> who should be there, as he clearly identified Longford as his native
> county
> in a service record I have. Clues suggest his family could have lived in
> either Killoe Parish or Columbkille Parish.
>
> Looking for reasons I can't find him, I've looked at the sources list on
> the
> Longford IFHF site but am not sure if it actually covers all parishes or
> not. Are they all there or are some still waiting to be transcribed or do
> some not exist.
>
> Another thought is the extent to which families moved from county to
> county.
> James father (Michael) was a farmer and I'd guessed they would tend to
> stay
> in one parish. Can anyone comment on this question.
>
> Neil McCarthy
> New Zealand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <IRED52(a)aol.com>
> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:30 PM
> Subject: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
>
>
>> Hello Christina and others on the list. I have used the IFHF site and
>> have
>> found a few family members. I even ordered some of the records. I used
>> them to
>> confirm some information I had or to lead me in a new direction. When
>> ordering it is a bit expensive but since I can't fly to Ireland it works
>> for me.
>> Some records are a bit disappointing in their brevity but overall I am
>> satisfied. It is a great search tool if you know your ancestors are
>> from
>> Longford
>> even better if you know the area and have time frames. Like you
>> mentioned
>> I hope
>> others are using the site and just not talking about it.
>> Be well,
>> Ellenjane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://longford.brsgenealogy.com/search.php
>>> I don't see that those on the Longford list are trying this database
>>> out
>>> as much
>>> as my other lists seem to be???
>>> Maybe it is just that no one is talking about it.
>>>
>>> Christina
>>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:17:57 +0100
> From: "Christine Dobson" <christine.dobson(a)ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
> Message-ID: <001b01c9342f$753dee30$22d81052@christinc63b79>
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> There does not seem to be all of the records of this site - I have
> extensive
> info from Columbkille parish on my Stakem line but quite a lot of these
> records are not shown on this site. Having said that I have found records
> that I did not have. So I guess it is the luck of the draw.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The McCarthys" <the.mccarthys(a)paradise.net.nz>
> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
>
>
>> Yes, I've been using it too - for Longford and other counties. A bit
>> expensive but an advance to what was before and I made some great
>> genealogical progress.
>>
>> My frustration is that I can't locate my granddad (James MCCARTHY b.1875)
>> who should be there, as he clearly identified Longford as his native
>> county
>> in a service record I have. Clues suggest his family could have lived in
>> either Killoe Parish or Columbkille Parish.
>>
>> Looking for reasons I can't find him, I've looked at the sources list on
>> the
>> Longford IFHF site but am not sure if it actually covers all parishes or
>> not. Are they all there or are some still waiting to be transcribed or do
>> some not exist.
>>
>> Another thought is the extent to which families moved from county to
>> county.
>> James father (Michael) was a farmer and I'd guessed they would tend to
>> stay
>> in one parish. Can anyone comment on this question.
>>
>> Neil McCarthy
>> New Zealand
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <IRED52(a)aol.com>
>> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:30 PM
>> Subject: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
>>
>>
>>> Hello Christina and others on the list. I have used the IFHF site and
>>> have
>>> found a few family members. I even ordered some of the records. I used
>>> them to
>>> confirm some information I had or to lead me in a new direction. When
>>> ordering it is a bit expensive but since I can't fly to Ireland it
>>> works
>>> for me.
>>> Some records are a bit disappointing in their brevity but overall I am
>>> satisfied. It is a great search tool if you know your ancestors are
>>> from
>>> Longford
>>> even better if you know the area and have time frames. Like you
>>> mentioned
>>> I hope
>>> others are using the site and just not talking about it.
>>> Be well,
>>> Ellenjane
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://longford.brsgenealogy.com/search.php
>>>> I don't see that those on the Longford list are trying this database
>>>> out
>>>> as much
>>>> as my other lists seem to be???
>>>> Maybe it is just that no one is talking about it.
>>>>
>>>> Christina
>>>>
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There does not seem to be all of the records of this site - I have extensive
info from Columbkille parish on my Stakem line but quite a lot of these
records are not shown on this site. Having said that I have found records
that I did not have. So I guess it is the luck of the draw.
----- Original Message -----
From: "The McCarthys" <the.mccarthys(a)paradise.net.nz>
To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
> Yes, I've been using it too - for Longford and other counties. A bit
> expensive but an advance to what was before and I made some great
> genealogical progress.
>
> My frustration is that I can't locate my granddad (James MCCARTHY b.1875)
> who should be there, as he clearly identified Longford as his native
> county
> in a service record I have. Clues suggest his family could have lived in
> either Killoe Parish or Columbkille Parish.
>
> Looking for reasons I can't find him, I've looked at the sources list on
> the
> Longford IFHF site but am not sure if it actually covers all parishes or
> not. Are they all there or are some still waiting to be transcribed or do
> some not exist.
>
> Another thought is the extent to which families moved from county to
> county.
> James father (Michael) was a farmer and I'd guessed they would tend to
> stay
> in one parish. Can anyone comment on this question.
>
> Neil McCarthy
> New Zealand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <IRED52(a)aol.com>
> To: <irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:30 PM
> Subject: [LONGFORD] IFHF- Irish Family History Foundation
>
>
>> Hello Christina and others on the list. I have used the IFHF site and
>> have
>> found a few family members. I even ordered some of the records. I used
>> them to
>> confirm some information I had or to lead me in a new direction. When
>> ordering it is a bit expensive but since I can't fly to Ireland it works
>> for me.
>> Some records are a bit disappointing in their brevity but overall I am
>> satisfied. It is a great search tool if you know your ancestors are
>> from
>> Longford
>> even better if you know the area and have time frames. Like you
>> mentioned
>> I hope
>> others are using the site and just not talking about it.
>> Be well,
>> Ellenjane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://longford.brsgenealogy.com/search.php
>>> I don't see that those on the Longford list are trying this database
>>> out
>>> as much
>>> as my other lists seem to be???
>>> Maybe it is just that no one is talking about it.
>>>
>>> Christina
>>>
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>
There are some other possibilities, although how relevant they might be to your research depends in goodly measure on the era in which your Fleury ancestors were living in Ireland. Their religion might also provide some direction for your quest for information.
Other than very recently, there are essentially three times when persons with clearly French-sounding names are likely to have settled in Ireland:
1) In the 12-13th century. These were the Anglo-Normans who carried out the conquest of Ireland beginning in 1168 (reign of Henry II). Among names belonging to this group are Fitzgerald, Peppard, Lacy, Verdon, Jordan, Le Gros, Dowdall, Taaffe, Burke, Costello, Moore, Bellew, Cleary, Plunkett, d'Arcy, and Roche. Fleury sounds as if it would fit right in with this group. Although the descendents of the Anglo-Normans resident in Ireland remained stubbornly Catholic through the reign of Elizabeth I, some who held actual landed estates converted to the Church of Ireland to avoid the restrictions on Catholic land ownership and confiscations under the Elizabethan Settlement, Cromwellian Plantations, and the Penal Laws.
2) The late 17th century. These would be principally Huguenots who arrived as refugees after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV and/or Huguenot members of William III's army who received land grants in lieu of payment of their wages. These would virtually all be Protestant. The Lefroy family of Carriglass Manor near Longford town is an example.
3) The early 18th century. These were colonists brought in by Queen Anne's government at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession (1715). The majority were German--hence the name, Palatine Germans, usually applied to them--but a significant minority were from the French-apeaking cantons of Switzerland, Alsace, Lorraine, and Jura. The latter generally had French-sounding names. The intent was to bring in industrious Protestants who would be loyal to the Crown, which would be the source of their new-found wealth, this being a period in which uprisings by the oppressed Catholic population were still a realistic possibility. Although all of these newcomers were meant to be Protestants, the best laid plans of mice and men often just don't pan out. About a third are thought to have been Catholics; if the government discovered that they were affiliated with that denomination, it sometimes sent them back. My (Catholic) Gossins appear to have arrived in Ireland from Switzerland with this group.
Note that to preserve any of these French-sounding names in Ireland, all that was needed was consistent descent through the male line. However, particularly in the case of the Anglo-Normans, there were centuries of intermarriage with native Irish, so the DNA of descendents might well appear to be almost entirely Irish.
A final possibility is that your (Catholic) Fleurys were "Wild Geese" who served as mercenaries in the French army. In that case, Flurey could easily have morphed into Fleury, which fits in better with the sound system in French. (The largest group of "Wild Geese" left Ireland after the Siege of Limerick in 1691.)
Good luck with your very challenging research problem.
Nancy Gray
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> This story was brought to my attention by my cousin. We have searched high
> and low for our ancestors in Ireland to no avail. We have heard many things
> about why our uncommon name Fleury seems to be French while our DNA says we
> are Irish. There were some French Fleury families in Ireland, we do not
> appear to be related...there is a Flurey clan in Ireland (reportedly originating
> in Longford) , we can find no connections there either
>
> At any rate, here is a touching tale about thousands of Irish who immigrated
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>
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This story was brought to my attention by my cousin. We have searched high
and low for our ancestors in Ireland to no avail. We have heard many things
about why our uncommon name Fleury seems to be French while our DNA says we
are Irish. There were some French Fleury families in Ireland, we do not
appear to be related...there is a Flurey clan in Ireland (reportedly originating
in Longford) , we can find no connections there either
At any rate, here is a touching tale about thousands of Irish who immigrated
to Canada. Children who survived this may have become orphans and adopted
into other families...so if you hit that dead end, you might consider this
possibility...of course finding them in this disaster would probably be
impossible...either way, it's a touching tale about what happened in Gross Isle,
Quebec and the Irish...
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Isle#References_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grosse_Isle#References)
BROOKLYN NAMES FLEURY HEALD FOSTER BOWERS BAXTER LINDELOF HICKMAN STEPHENSON
MORA YOUNG CAMMAROTA RUBINO HICKMAN JOHNSON MULHERN AND MANY MORE
Check out my website below for details
_http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/l/e/Joyce-Fleury/index.html_
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Hello Christina and others on the list. I have used the IFHF site and have
found a few family members. I even ordered some of the records. I used them to
confirm some information I had or to lead me in a new direction. When
ordering it is a bit expensive but since I can't fly to Ireland it works for me.
Some records are a bit disappointing in their brevity but overall I am
satisfied. It is a great search tool if you know your ancestors are from Longford
even better if you know the area and have time frames. Like you mentioned I hope
others are using the site and just not talking about it.
Be well,
Ellenjane
> http://longford.brsgenealogy.com/search.php
> I don't see that those on the Longford list are trying this database out
> as much
> as my other lists seem to be???
> Maybe it is just that no one is talking about it.
>
> Christina
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Nancy,
Yes, I think she was a Sister of Mercy. I googled them and found
establishments in Granard and even mention of the sweater factory.
However, I still cannot find any reference to my cousin, Sr. M.
Fintan Creamer. (I do see mention of a Sr. McGuire, and that is the
family of my gread grandmother.
David
At 04:08 PM 10/21/2008, you wrote:
>David, was your cousin a Sister of Mercy by any chance? That order
>came into many locations in the Irish Midlands to operate schools by
>at least 1890. In what is now Irish Republic, even elementary
>education for all would have been impossibly expensive without
>church-related schools--which for many years were the only schools
>available in smaller communities.
>
>Nancy Gray
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>
>
> > My cousin was Sister Mary Fintan Creamer (born 1905, died 22 Dec. 1929).
> > She is buried at the side of the church in Granard with the other sisters.
> > Does anyone know anything about this sisters and what they did in Granard
> > at that time?
> > I tried to contact their motherhouse, but got no answer.
> >
> > David Myers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:49 PM 10/20/2008, Janet Kirk wrote:
> > >Did they have bottles in those days? You wouldn't have a nun as a wet
> > >nurse, but if they had bottles, I guess she might have been
> raised by nuns.
> > >Perhaps she was taken in by a family as an infant and then to a convent
> > >when weaned. I do know there was a convent in Granard; pehaps one in
> > >Edgeworthstown, too.
> > >
> > >I have the same questions as you, but no family story to go by - I never
> > >asked the right quesions when there were still members of that geneation
> > >around. My grandfather's mother died in childbirth, too, in
> 1876. They were
> > >Kirks from Prucklishtown (Clonfin) in Clonbroney. Since my
> > >great-grandfather didn't remarry for another dozen years there was no one
> > >to take care of my grandfather and his two year older sister. I
> just assume
> > >they were shipped off to a relative. They were C of I, so probably no
> > >convent involved.
> > >
> > >Bob Kirk
> > >
> > >At 08:51 PM 10/20/2008, Sheelin Prinzinger wrote:
> > >
> > > >A family story is that my great grandmother (Mary Burke), whose mother
> > > >died either in childbirth or soon thereafter, was left as an
> orphan with
> > > >the nuns in Edgeworthstown when Mary's father left the country to find
> > > >work. Anyone have a feel whether this tale could possibly be true?
> > > >
> > > >Thank you!
> > > >Sheelin
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Hi,
My Reilly family came to NY in the 1870s and are enumerated in the
Brooklyn, NYC, 1880 census. Eventually all of the children are in the US except for
Jane Reilly who remained in Ireland and was living in Dublin at the time of
her older brother's death in 1924. I'm wondering if Jane's mother (Catherine
Kelly Reilly) died in childbirth and Jane was too young to bring to the US.
The other siblings and father came to NY. Are there records that could be
searched to determine if this is what happened to this family?
Thanks.
Barbara
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Did they have bottles in those days? You wouldn't have a nun as a wet
nurse, but if they had bottles, I guess she might have been raised by nuns.
Perhaps she was taken in by a family as an infant and then to a convent
when weaned. I do know there was a convent in Granard; pehaps one in
Edgeworthstown, too.
I have the same questions as you, but no family story to go by - I never
asked the right quesions when there were still members of that geneation
around. My grandfather's mother died in childbirth, too, in 1876. They were
Kirks from Prucklishtown (Clonfin) in Clonbroney. Since my
great-grandfather didn't remarry for another dozen years there was no one
to take care of my grandfather and his two year older sister. I just assume
they were shipped off to a relative. They were C of I, so probably no
convent involved.
Bob Kirk
At 08:51 PM 10/20/2008, Sheelin Prinzinger wrote:
>A family story is that my great grandmother (Mary Burke), whose mother
>died either in childbirth or soon thereafter, was left as an orphan with
>the nuns in Edgeworthstown when Mary's father left the country to find
>work. Anyone have a feel whether this tale could possibly be true?
>
>Thank you!
>Sheelin
Donna, if you have time, I would appreciate any info on Mollahan. Three brothers, Patrick, Michael and James, came to the USA proir to 1870 and settled in PA. ann Hearn
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> James,
> Donna is at: dkvaughn(a)nycap.rr.com
>
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote:
> >Hello everybody could someone mail me Donna`s address as I would like to ask
> >a question.
> >
> >Best regards James Mercer
> >
> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: irl-longford-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> >[mailto:irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von D.C.
> >Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. Oktober 2008 00:52
> >An: irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com; 'Donna K. Vaughn'
> >Betreff: Re: [LONGFORD] Willing to do look-ups - Tithe Applotment Books
> >
> >Hi Donna. Thank you for your offer. At your convenience, could you take a
> >look for O'REILLY. Patrick is one of the given names that I know of. His
> >wife's name was Bridget DOYLE. I don't know her father's given name though.
> >Thanks again from another...
> >
> >Donna
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: irl-longford-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> >[mailto:irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna K. Vaughn
> >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:16 PM
> >To: irl-longford(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: [LONGFORD] Willing to do look-ups - Tithe Applotment Books
> >
> >I have the reference:
> >County Longford - Residents Prior to the Famine A Transcription and Complete
> >Index of the Tithe Applotment Books of County Longford 1823-1835 (Guy A.
> >Rymsza)
> >
> >Please provide surname, and first name if you know it.
> >
> >Donna
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A family story is that my great grandmother (Mary Burke), whose mother died either in childbirth or soon thereafter, was left as an orphan with the nuns in Edgeworthstown when Mary's father left the country to find work. Anyone have a feel whether this tale could possibly be true?
Thank you!
Sheelin
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Hi,
I saw someone looking for a Katie Kelly married to a James Greer.? I'm looking for Catherine Kelly who married Robert O'Reilly/Reilly/Riley and had a child, James, who was baptized in Newtown Forbes in Jan 1850.? I am trying to track the family back but haven't been successful with Catherine Kelly.? I think she died in childbirth or in the mid-ot-late 1870s.??Many of the family are inBrooklyn, NY on June 1, 1880 and enumerated in the census.? James, the oldest son, married Ellen McDowell in Brooklyn, NY in 1876 and moved to the Middletown, NY area.
Any help on the Irish records and roots?would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Barbara
I am looking for John Greer and Katie Kelly
Eliz
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Celia,
You do have to pay to look at a full record. But looking at the index is free and can be helpful especially since
they have added the ability to use a father's name to narrow down the baptisms. I believe they did that in response to complaints.
I have bought records but you can limit a purchase to 5 euros for one record. I would not buy 40 euros worth of credit.
Also try to narrow down to a parish. Say you have seven John Farrells in 1842 for instance. Then try changing the parishes to see
where they were from.
Say you find a likely person in Abbeylara. Then do another search for your surname in Abbeylara and see if you see other possible siblings.
So, using what they give you for free, you can make some educated guesses.
In looking for a marriage, if you know who you are looking for, I would try and narrow down the groom and the bride and place to be sure
it is a likely match before you plunk down any money.
A tip from another list was to search by surname, use 0 for child and then fathers name if know. You can get possible children that way
(siblings of your ancestor).
You don't have to pay anything just because you get registered. I guess they figure you will.
Be aware that many of the church records do not give the bride's maiden name. I bought one record that just had the last name for the bride
and groom's fathers. So, it can be a disappointment.
I always double check the IGI too to see if a birth record is there. If you are in the 1864-1870 range you may just find what you need there.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/searc...
Chris
|| Christine: I have tried to register on this
|| http://longford.brsgenealogy.com/search.php which they say is
|| "free." All well and good. But, before you finish the
|| registering it tells you that in order to view what they have .
|| . . you have to purchase credit (in euro - which I don't know
|| the value scale). Sooo, it's not really free, is it? Please
|| try to enlighten me. Thanks much. Celia Ewald
