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> Think we need a trip to Spencer County!!! And Hardin/LaRue/Nelson
> AND.....
> <G>
>
Don't know how those counties fare with courthouse research, but nearby
Breckinridge Co. has outstanding County Archives. I always do the genealogy
happy dance when I learn that a county where I need to do onsite research
has an archives. Spencer County does not, but between the great staff at
the library and at the courthouse across the street, it is almost as good as
having a separate archives!!! Happy Hunting,
Jeanine
Hi Chuck,
It would be interesting to know if this O. V. Brown were related to our
Brown family. They moved twice with the Lincolns and others - once to
Spencer County and another time up north.
I am also a southern Hanks...
Kathie
On 9/17/07, Chuck Huppert <cbh(a)iquest.net> wrote:
>
> I would love to have some information on O. V. Brown. As I recall he
> taught math at the Dale High School. My father said he was his
> teacher. My father was born in Dale in 1909 so he would have been in
> high school from about 1923-1927. In the early 1950s we were
> visiting Dale and my father took me to see O. V. As I remember he
> had a huge collection of Lincoln materials. He had reproduced the
> front cover of Leslie's Illustrated Journal published shortly after
> Lincoln had been elected president. He gave me a copy which I stored
> in my parents home until I was over thirty years old. Then I found
> it one day and framed it and it now hangs proudly in my den.
>
> O. V. was a fascinating person as I remember -- full of mystery. I
> wonder what happened to his Lincoln collection.
>
> Chuck Huppert
> Indianapolis
> cbh(a)iquest.net
>
> At 07:02 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote:
> >Could the people looking for information on this family line contact
> >me...I am a direct descendent of the Brown line and the Romaine line
> >marriage into my family, I have pictures taken in the 1800's of both
> >and some info on the Romaine line. Lots on the Brown line.
> >
> >Deborah Ray Piper
> >Spencer Co., IN
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Hi Julie,
SURE! I did not think to ask....
1. Samuel Brown married Tabitha Carter, Susannah's sister. I suspect this
Samuel Brown is a child/close relative of my James Brown, Sr. and a brother
to my Daniel Clinton Brown - but supposedly not, say other people.
2. Joseph Brown, Daniel Clinton Brown, Alfred Brown, Edward Brown, Asa
Brown, Oliver Brown - all brothers - if they are mentioned.
3. Sisters: Nancy married Mingo Muere, Muir or whatever; Mary Ann married
Isaac K Drellinger/Trellinger/Trollinger etc.. (found in census as
Dwellinger?)
4. 4 missing children (Alfred was youngest of 13).
5. Carter kids are: Joseph Carter, Jacob Carter, Polly Carter married
Daniel Dewees; Samuel Carter, Jr - think he stayed in Hardin County, KY;
Sarah Carter md Samuel Pickerell and stayed in KY; Nancy Carter md Moses
Hill; James F. Carter - stayed in KY.
I don't know if you will find anything - but thanks!
Kathie
On 9/17/07, Julie <juls92627(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Kathie
> Do you want me too look up anything for you on this film? any Carter or
> Browns?
>
> Julie
>
> "M. Kathleen Felsted" <mkfelsted(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Girls,
>
> The other problem is that is about the time that Elizabeth Mitchell Lahew
> and my Joseph Brown are getting "friendly." His divorce with Susannah
> Carter was finalized in 1838. There is some indication that they had
> problems for several years, since I have a genealogy cousin who saw
> something about them in some loose papers in Hardin County courthouse. She
> only had a limited time period, and was searching for something else, so
> she
> couldn't copy it...
>
> My direct line ancestor, Daniel Clinton Brown, was the first child born in
> Spencer County and that was 1824... His older siblings were born in Hardin
> County, Kentucky. So that gives us a time-frame of when our family moved
> to
> Spencer County. The other curious thing is that in Joseph's will, he said
> this:
>
> Second: I leave my natural daughter, Minerva Breenen, an equal part of my
> estate of every kind with my legitimate children share and have alike all
> round, and I pray that my dear cfhildren may settle this matter without
> any
> dispute, and may God prosper them in the enjoyment of it.
>
> This implies something - "his natural daughter" - not knowing the
> vernacular
> of the day if that implies Minerva is literally his illegitimate daughter
> or
> a "daughter" he takes care of because of his unmarried relationship with
> Elizabeth.
>
> PROBATE records can be weird... He might have made a will and she never
> got
> around to dealing with it right away, as Donna suggested. Are you sure he
> made a will? Maybe that is the issue. He died without a will and at some
> point the court (ie. neighbors?) thought Minerva should have a guardian.
> ESPECIALLY if Joseph and Elizabeth "were living together in sin..." It
> would be fun to have a newspaper of the times....
>
> I have heard that sometimes wills have been found in Land Records? Never
> found one there yet!
>
> Kathie
>
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Hi, I'm not related but have followed this thread as do all Spencer County
threads. In a couple of instances in other states I was unable to find
either will or probate records until I went to actual court records - in one
instance there was a lawsuit involving disputed will...will from 1853 was
still in the case file and never filed in will book. In another situation,
no probate file located, but lawsuit to partition estate had 5 generation
family tree included in case file among other fantastic data. So check
those court records....which type of court will vary from state to state. A
major fact to keep in mind is that only small portion of court records are
microfilmed; sometimes only the index has been filmed. The actual case
files are rarely on film and this is where the best information is found.
Hope this helps some of you as you unravel your puzzle.
Good luck, Jeanine
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From: "M. Kathleen Felsted" <mkfelsted(a)gmail.com>
To: <inspence(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [INSPENCE] Minerva LaHue d/o Peter
> Hi Girls,
>
> The other problem is that is about the time that Elizabeth Mitchell Lahew
> and my Joseph Brown are getting "friendly." His divorce with Susannah
> Carter was finalized in 1838. There is some indication that they had
> problems for several years, since I have a genealogy cousin who saw
> something about them in some loose papers in Hardin County courthouse.
> She
> only had a limited time period, and was searching for something else, so
> she
> couldn't copy it...
>
> My direct line ancestor, Daniel Clinton Brown, was the first child born in
> Spencer County and that was 1824... His older siblings were born in Hardin
> County, Kentucky. So that gives us a time-frame of when our family moved
> to
> Spencer County. The other curious thing is that in Joseph's will, he said
> this:
>
> Second: I leave my natural daughter, Minerva Breenen, an equal part of my
> estate of every kind with my legitimate children share and have alike all
> round, and I pray that my dear cfhildren may settle this matter without
> any
> dispute, and may God prosper them in the enjoyment of it.
>
> This implies something - "his natural daughter" - not knowing the
> vernacular
> of the day if that implies Minerva is literally his illegitimate daughter
> or
> a "daughter" he takes care of because of his unmarried relationship with
> Elizabeth.
>
> PROBATE records can be weird... He might have made a will and she never
> got
> around to dealing with it right away, as Donna suggested. Are you sure he
> made a will? Maybe that is the issue. He died without a will and at some
> point the court (ie. neighbors?) thought Minerva should have a guardian.
> ESPECIALLY if Joseph and Elizabeth "were living together in sin..." It
> would be fun to have a newspaper of the times....
>
> I have heard that sometimes wills have been found in Land Records? Never
> found one there yet!
>
> Kathie
>
> On 9/17/07, Julie <juls92627(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Okay - I was thinking - I originally rented this film for Peter's will -
>> why wasn't it in here? the probate book went to 1836 at least (I'll
>> check
>> it tomorrow). Where else could it be? Any suggestions??
>>
>> and thanks for the suggestions on why the 2 guardians. :-)
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> "M. Kathleen Felsted" <mkfelsted(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> You might want to look in the county records to see if Romaine and/or
>> Pierce
>> were county officials, like Judy suggested. The other thing is to see if
>> they are related at all?
>>
>> According to census records, Minerva was about 9-10 when her father died.
>> That was probably not old enough to select her own guardian.
>>
>> Kathie
>> ---------------------------------
>> So Minerva is put on land records on March 30, 1837
>>
>> Then is given a guardian, Benjamin Romine, on 14 Nov 1837
>> Then another guardian, Charles J. Pierce on 13 Feb 1839
>>
>> can anyone explain why she would switch guardians?
>>
>> p166 - 14 Nov. 1837
>> For reasona appearing to the Court it is ordered that Benjamin ROMINE be
>> appointed Guardian of Menevera LAHUE infant heir of Peter LAHUE decd and
>> that the Clerk take bond with __ in the pentalty of $1000
>>
>> p220 - 13 Feb 1839
>> Ordered that Charles J PIERCE be and he is hereby appointed Guardian of
>> the infant heirs of Peter LAHUE decd upong given bond with good Security
>> in
>> the sum of $1000.00.
>>
>> Julie
>>
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I would love to have some information on O. V. Brown. As I recall he
taught math at the Dale High School. My father said he was his
teacher. My father was born in Dale in 1909 so he would have been in
high school from about 1923-1927. In the early 1950s we were
visiting Dale and my father took me to see O. V. As I remember he
had a huge collection of Lincoln materials. He had reproduced the
front cover of Leslie's Illustrated Journal published shortly after
Lincoln had been elected president. He gave me a copy which I stored
in my parents home until I was over thirty years old. Then I found
it one day and framed it and it now hangs proudly in my den.
O. V. was a fascinating person as I remember -- full of mystery. I
wonder what happened to his Lincoln collection.
Chuck Huppert
Indianapolis
cbh(a)iquest.net
At 07:02 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote:
>Could the people looking for information on this family line contact
>me...I am a direct descendent of the Brown line and the Romaine line
>marriage into my family, I have pictures taken in the 1800's of both
>and some info on the Romaine line. Lots on the Brown line.
>
>Deborah Ray Piper
>Spencer Co., IN
>allpiper(a)swindiana.net
>
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Could the people looking for information on this family line contact me...I am a direct descendent of the Brown line and the Romaine line marriage into my family, I have pictures taken in the 1800's of both and some info on the Romaine line. Lots on the Brown line.
Deborah Ray Piper
Spencer Co., IN
allpiper(a)swindiana.net
I had someone to look for the Probate Record in Spencer Co and all she found
was about a three sentence entry for guardianship. I was hoping you would
find his will. Here's what I think. I think Peter died before 1830 because
he is not on the census with Elizabeth in 1830. Then for some reason she
couldn't care for Minerva anymore and so they gave guardianship to Romaine in
1836. So, if he had a will it may be dated around 1830 instead of 1836. I
don't know why the guardianship was in the Probate records book.
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Okay - I was thinking - I originally rented this film for Peter's will - why wasn't it in here? the probate book went to 1836 at least (I'll check it tomorrow). Where else could it be? Any suggestions??
and thanks for the suggestions on why the 2 guardians. :-)
Julie
"M. Kathleen Felsted" <mkfelsted(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You might want to look in the county records to see if Romaine and/or Pierce
were county officials, like Judy suggested. The other thing is to see if
they are related at all?
According to census records, Minerva was about 9-10 when her father died.
That was probably not old enough to select her own guardian.
Kathie
---------------------------------
So Minerva is put on land records on March 30, 1837
Then is given a guardian, Benjamin Romine, on 14 Nov 1837
Then another guardian, Charles J. Pierce on 13 Feb 1839
can anyone explain why she would switch guardians?
p166 - 14 Nov. 1837
For reasona appearing to the Court it is ordered that Benjamin ROMINE be
appointed Guardian of Menevera LAHUE infant heir of Peter LAHUE decd and
that the Clerk take bond with __ in the pentalty of $1000
p220 - 13 Feb 1839
Ordered that Charles J PIERCE be and he is hereby appointed Guardian of
the infant heirs of Peter LAHUE decd upong given bond with good Security in
the sum of $1000.00.
Julie
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I am looking for the Bingle family in spence county. John Henry
Bingle was born in Ohio in 1830. I do not know who his parents were.
Old family records show the family in spence county Indiana then on
to Hancock county Illinois in 1860. Thanks for helping in my search
Sallyya(a)frontiernet.net
Diane -
I didn't see any Biehrer, Boon, Kern, Ketterer or Rickard but I DID find two Naturalizations for Schmidt's -
1870 - Matthias Schmidt - arrived 1847
1888 - William Schmidt - arrived 1886
would you like the scans?
and there were probate entries for a John Burns dec'd with a John Hammons??
would you like the scans?
Julie
Diane Hawkins <diane777(a)centurytel.net> wrote:
Julie,
Could you do a look up of the naturalization and probate records for
a Andreas or Andrew Bihrer (Biehrer ) of Spencer, Co.
I would appreciate it. I am researching , Biehrer's, Rickard's,
Burns, Boons, Kern, Ketterer, and Schmidts in Spencer, and Warrick, Co.
Thank you for your offer.
Diane
>Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:17 PM
>Subject: [INSPENCE] look up offer - Naturalization records and Probate (LDS
># 1321789)
>
>
>
>>I rented this film, LDS # 1321789
>>
>>Items 1-3 Naturalization records, 1852-1907 Indiana. Circuit Court
>>(Spencer County)
>>Items 4-5 Probate records, 1833-1921 Indiana. Circuit Court (Spencer
>>County)
>>
>>Julie
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I found a Harris in the index of the second probate book - supposedly on page 206, but since the film ends with 185. There was also a Ben Jr, 1916 - but I didn't write down if it was probate or Naturalization - so let me know if you are interested.
and there were a lot that could have been Conner, but when I looked them up ended up being Combs, lol. BUT - here's from page 3 (scan to follow) of the Probate B book
8th August 1842
In motion of James C. HILL it is ordered that he be appointed Guardian of Arther CONNER infant heir of John CONNER dec'd upon his given bond in the sum of $100, and the said James C. HILL with Alfred LAMER acknowledged said bond and took the necessary oath.
I hope it helps!
Julie
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When a person has a loss of parents or something occurs where they become a ward of the county (i.e. poor or parents become sickly) they are sometimes given to a relative (sometimes a friend of family or the Godparent) to be cared for and the guardianship can be given to this same relative OR to a court appointed person OR a banker OR the county trustee who handles these cases. When a person became ill or poor they took in the entire family oftentimes.
In some counties and during certain years the county poorhouse would take them in or the Alms Houses - and the county supported them, but in other counties and other years it was the custom for the township to care for their own. For Spencer Co, Perry Co, and Gibson Cos IN the county supporting them was few and far between - and usually up to the township trustees to be their guardian, etc.
Sometimes it was for a specific length of time (might be a couple months and then given over to another relative, might be a year or two, might be until they were a certain age). When a relative became ill or couldn't handle the child then they would request the guardianship be passed over to someone else. When a county trustee died, was no longer appointed to the office, or no longer elected to the office, then the guardianship was transferred over to someone else. Sometimes in wills it was mentioned who would care for the child (and if the parent had land or money who would handle the monitary and land affairs until child was X yrs of age).
Since the county didn't handle the "wards" and orphans until quite later in the county's age, I would assume that this was either a relative or the township trustee and either the relative had made agreement for only a specific length of time and then turned over to another relative OR the township trustee no longer had the job and had to turn the child over to a new person. But on the other hand, since the parents had land and money then it is a possibility it was a banker who handled the affairs and when they moved on to another job, or lost their life or became ill, then the new banker would take over this guardianship.
The above info is what I have gleened from many different history books of southern Indiana counties as well as from census'. One history mentioned about the county "homes" and "orphanages" and mentioned how they were trying to get the county to always keep these children and their affairs, but was too difficult so they would go back to having the township trustees caring for the children.
Now in a case of a child whose parents left land and/or finances there are oftentimes more than one guardians for the child and during the same timeframe - one might be physically boarding and raising the child, one might be handling the real estate portion of the estate, and one might be handling the monetary portion of the estate and doling out $$$ when clothing, medical, schooling, etc. was needed.
Talking about orphans, wards of county, adopted children, etc -- in many of the census it will show if they are a "charge", "ward", "adopted" etc - but many of them use their previous surname even though they have been adopted. Sometimes this is a great tool for finding the real parents if you can't get access to the adoption papers (which usually you can't), or can't find them in the probate records.
Hope this helped you some,
Judy M.
You had written:
Minerva is definitely Peter LaHue's daughter - but the odd thing is that it looks like she had two guardians appointed to her - one in 1837, Benjamin Romine and another in 1839, Charles J PIERCE. - I couldn't find that Benjamin died he was taking care of Gideon W ROMINE's will, but the last date there was July 1837 - I figure I'll be reading the entried between 1837 and 1839 to see if there is anything more there..
So Minerva is put on land records on March 30, 1837
http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/PatentSearch/Detail.asp?Accession=IN1680%5F...
Then is given a guardian, Benjamin Romine, on 14 Nov 1837
Then another guardian, Charles J. Pierce on 13 Feb 1839
can anyone explain why she would switch guardians?
p166 - 14 Nov. 1837
For reasona appearing to the Court it is ordered that Benjamin ROMINE be appointed Guardian of Menevera LAHUE infant heir of Peter LAHUE decd and that the Clerk take bond with __ in the pentalty of $1000
p220 - 13 Feb 1839
Ordered that Charles J PIERCE be and he is hereby appointed Guardian of the infant heirs of Peter LAHUE decd upong given bond with good Security in the sum of $1000.00.
Julie
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Julie:
Thanks so very much for your offer. I would appreciate any info on WIRE
Family especially probate records. My wife has a number of relatives by this
surname in Spencer County. If time permits, please check the naturalization
records. Thanks again, and have a great day!
Wayne Klusman
Richmond, Wayne County, Indiana
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From: "Julie" <juls92627(a)yahoo.com>
To: "IN_Spence" <INSPENCE(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: [INSPENCE] look up offer - Naturalization records and Probate (LDS
# 1321789)
>I rented this film, LDS # 1321789 and I have it until October 2nd - does
>anyone want a lookup? I looked at one of the Naturalizations and it didn't
>have parents, etc, but it did say country.
> All of them seemed to have indexes so it should be pretty easy, as long
> as they have page numbers, lol. and instead of printing them, this FHC
> allows me to scan it, so I can email it to you
> On the second probate book - only 150 of the pages are there, it says
> continued. :(
>
> Items 1-3 Naturalization records, 1852-1907 Indiana. Circuit Court
> (Spencer County)
> Items 4-5 Probate records, 1833-1921 Indiana. Circuit Court (Spencer
> County)
>
> Julie
>
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There's a Conner on page 3 of the second book - that was on my to-do list, lol - I think it said Conner heirs - I'm crossing my fingers it lists names for you and Shirley, lol
I'll add Harris to the list
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I rented this film, LDS # 1321789 and I have it until October 2nd - does anyone want a lookup? I looked at one of the Naturalizations and it didn't have parents, etc, but it did say country.
All of them seemed to have indexes so it should be pretty easy, as long as they have page numbers, lol. and instead of printing them, this FHC allows me to scan it, so I can email it to you
On the second probate book - only 150 of the pages are there, it says continued. :(
Items 1-3 Naturalization records, 1852-1907 Indiana. Circuit Court (Spencer County)
Items 4-5 Probate records, 1833-1921 Indiana. Circuit Court (Spencer County)
Julie
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Re your discussion about Minerva Branning/Branen--this is a real long shot,
but I am researching a Minnie Branan or Branen in Curry Co. NM. She was born
between 1872-1883. (still researching!) I don't know when she went to New
Mexico or where she came from, but her obit is on Curry Co. website under Mina G.
Reid. But she was always called Minnie.
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