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This is taken from Chadwick's:
"With the intelligence being made known in Franklin County that the Delaware
treaty had been ratified, Jacob Whetzel started for this section of the
state, blazing his way through the dense forest land, from Brookfield to
White river. This trail thus established by his ax, passed through what is
now Shelby County, in a northwesterly direction, and crossed the Blue River
about four miles and a half north of the present site of Shelbyville. The
Whetzels, Jacob and Cyrus, with their families, returned to the bluffs of
White river in 1819, and permanently settled there. Richard Thornberry
settled at the point where Whetzel had crossed the Flat Rock, now in Rush
County. James Wilson, accompanied by a man named Logan, and one named
Hanna, followed the blazed trail to where it crossed Big Blue River, and
became the first actual settlers in Shelby County."
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ynf751(a)aol.com>
To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Early settlement on Blue RIver
> Melinda,
> You referred to the Whetzel Trace in Shelby Co. What exactly was the
Whetzel
> Trace and how did it come about.? My ancestor, Edward Tanner owned land
in
> the Whetzel Trace. He was there as early as 1819.
>
> Jean in Michigan
>
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Jerry,
Just the Whetzel Trace.
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: <wheeler(a)nvwebs.com>
To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: Early settlement on Blue RIver
> Thanks Milinda, that does help. Do you have any info on early traces in
the area?
> Jerry
>
> Melinda Weaver wrote:
>
> > Jerry,
> >
> > The reference to the school is in regards to Little Marion school which
is
> > in Marion township. It was one of the earlier schools built in the
county.
> > It is no longer used.
> >
> > Does this help?
> >
> > Melinda
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <wheeler(a)nvwebs.com>
> > To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: Early settlement on Blue RIver
> >
> > > Melinda, Thank you so much for this information. I am working on a
history
> > of the early
> > > settlers of Hancock Co and have been getting some info that the people
who
> > settled
> > > near Blue River in this co may have been connected to your group. I
don't
> > see any of
> > > the same names as yet. I am some what confused by the school district
you
> > mentioned.
> > > Can you explain? Jerry
> > >
> > > Melinda Weaver wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jerry,
> > > >
> > > > At 2:00 AM, I can't attest to having a clear head, but this is what
I
> > find
> > > > in Chadwick's History of Shelby County. In the northern part of the
> > county,
> > > > along the Blue River, is Marion Township. Chadwick's says, " In the
> > spring
> > > > of 1820 Benjamin Kaster, John Foreman, John Smith and Henry Fishel,
with
> > > > families all located on the school section in Marion township, as
now
> > known.
> > > > A list of those who made subsequent settlements in Marion will be
found
> > > > elsewhere, in connection with 'First Events' in the county."
> > > >
> > > > "The following were the first actual settlers to settle in the town
of
> > > > Marion, Marion township: David Fisher, John Forman, Balser Fox,
James
> > > > Grier, Benjamin Hodges, Benjamin Kaster, Bennett Michan, Adam
Rhodes,
> > John
> > > > Sleeth, John Smith, Abel Sommers, and James Wilson."
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, no mention of Napoleon Trace or Road. The only trace that I
know
> > of
> > > > in Shelby Co., is the Whetzel Trace.
> > > >
> > > > Melinda
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <wheeler(a)nvwebs.com>
> > > > To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:28 AM
> > > > Subject: Early settlement on Blue RIver
> > > >
> > > > > I am looking for information on the early settlements near Blue
River
> > in
> > > > > the northern part of the county. I am also interested in info on
an
> > old
> > > > > Indiana trace that was named Napoleon trace or road. Jerry
> > > > >
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Jerry,
The reference to the school is in regards to Little Marion school which is
in Marion township. It was one of the earlier schools built in the county.
It is no longer used.
Does this help?
Melinda
----- Original Message -----
From: <wheeler(a)nvwebs.com>
To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Early settlement on Blue RIver
> Melinda, Thank you so much for this information. I am working on a history
of the early
> settlers of Hancock Co and have been getting some info that the people who
settled
> near Blue River in this co may have been connected to your group. I don't
see any of
> the same names as yet. I am some what confused by the school district you
mentioned.
> Can you explain? Jerry
>
> Melinda Weaver wrote:
>
> > Jerry,
> >
> > At 2:00 AM, I can't attest to having a clear head, but this is what I
find
> > in Chadwick's History of Shelby County. In the northern part of the
county,
> > along the Blue River, is Marion Township. Chadwick's says, " In the
spring
> > of 1820 Benjamin Kaster, John Foreman, John Smith and Henry Fishel, with
> > families all located on the school section in Marion township, as now
known.
> > A list of those who made subsequent settlements in Marion will be found
> > elsewhere, in connection with 'First Events' in the county."
> >
> > "The following were the first actual settlers to settle in the town of
> > Marion, Marion township: David Fisher, John Forman, Balser Fox, James
> > Grier, Benjamin Hodges, Benjamin Kaster, Bennett Michan, Adam Rhodes,
John
> > Sleeth, John Smith, Abel Sommers, and James Wilson."
> >
> > Sorry, no mention of Napoleon Trace or Road. The only trace that I know
of
> > in Shelby Co., is the Whetzel Trace.
> >
> > Melinda
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <wheeler(a)nvwebs.com>
> > To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:28 AM
> > Subject: Early settlement on Blue RIver
> >
> > > I am looking for information on the early settlements near Blue River
in
> > > the northern part of the county. I am also interested in info on an
old
> > > Indiana trace that was named Napoleon trace or road. Jerry
> > >
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Melinda, Thank you so much for this information. I am working on a history of the early
settlers of Hancock Co and have been getting some info that the people who settled
near Blue River in this co may have been connected to your group. I don't see any of
the same names as yet. I am some what confused by the school district you mentioned.
Can you explain? Jerry
Melinda Weaver wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> At 2:00 AM, I can't attest to having a clear head, but this is what I find
> in Chadwick's History of Shelby County. In the northern part of the county,
> along the Blue River, is Marion Township. Chadwick's says, " In the spring
> of 1820 Benjamin Kaster, John Foreman, John Smith and Henry Fishel, with
> families all located on the school section in Marion township, as now known.
> A list of those who made subsequent settlements in Marion will be found
> elsewhere, in connection with 'First Events' in the county."
>
> "The following were the first actual settlers to settle in the town of
> Marion, Marion township: David Fisher, John Forman, Balser Fox, James
> Grier, Benjamin Hodges, Benjamin Kaster, Bennett Michan, Adam Rhodes, John
> Sleeth, John Smith, Abel Sommers, and James Wilson."
>
> Sorry, no mention of Napoleon Trace or Road. The only trace that I know of
> in Shelby Co., is the Whetzel Trace.
>
> Melinda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <wheeler(a)nvwebs.com>
> To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 12:28 AM
> Subject: Early settlement on Blue RIver
>
> > I am looking for information on the early settlements near Blue River in
> > the northern part of the county. I am also interested in info on an old
> > Indiana trace that was named Napoleon trace or road. Jerry
> >
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Virginia-
Do you happen to know which John Sleeth married Margaret Foreman- and what Margaret's
maiden name was?
I have been unable to determine which of the John Sleeths this is.
Mary Sleeth Creamer
Virginia Flesher wrote:
> At 02:19 AM 11/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >Jerry,
> > In the northern part of the county,
> >along the Blue River, is Marion Township. Chadwick's says, " In the spring
> >of 1820 Benjamin Kaster, John Foreman,
>
> John FOREMAN was my ancestor, he and wife Margaret, buried at Little Blue
> River Baptist Church cemetery. Children, Peter, also buried there, Solomon,
> buried at Taylor Co IA, Dulcina BATES, burial place unknown, Elizabeth
> TALBERT, same, Phebe DERRICKSON, whose family relocated to IA also, and my
> g g grandfather, Hiram FOREMAN, who relocated to Linn Co KS, first, then
> back to IN and IL, and finally to Prairie/Lonoke Co AR. Margaret FOREMAN,
> widow, married John SLEETH after first husband's death. Foreman Branch ran
> through their property.
>
> NO ATTACHMENTS, PLEASE, Unless requested by me
> MT PLEASANT CEMETERY AT TANGLEWOOD, Forsyth Co NC
> http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/1166/mtplea/mtplea.htm
> GRANNY'S GENEALOGY PAGE http://www.geocities.com/nashville/opry/1166/
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Info on the Wetzel/Whetzel Trace is pretty easy to find on the
internet. My father is from Wetzel Co WV, so I may be a little more
familiar with this family and their activities.
For starters, Melinda Weaver wrote about the Wetzel Trace as it affected
Shelby Co in an early history piece specifically written for our
website. I'm offline right now and can't give you the exact url, but
putting "wetzel" in the search engine on the Shelby Co INGENWEB page
will take you right to it.
And for those of you not native to central IN, "The Bluffs" is still a
very beautiful area.
P
Jerry,
I think we have several people on the list with ancestors from the
Freeport area and Hanover Twp. If you don't get any answers on Napolean
Trace, let me know and I will see if there is anything listed in the
county index of names and places.
P
Melinda,
You referred to the Whetzel Trace in Shelby Co. What exactly was the Whetzel
Trace and how did it come about.? My ancestor, Edward Tanner owned land in
the Whetzel Trace. He was there as early as 1819.
Jean in Michigan
Hi,
Does anyone know who founded Flat Rock and who the first settlers were?
Also when was it founded, or first settled?
I'm also looking for voting results for the various townships for 1856, 1860
& 1864.
Thanks,
Mert in Louisville
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At 02:19 AM 11/25/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Jerry,
> In the northern part of the county,
>along the Blue River, is Marion Township. Chadwick's says, " In the spring
>of 1820 Benjamin Kaster, John Foreman,
John FOREMAN was my ancestor, he and wife Margaret, buried at Little Blue
River Baptist Church cemetery. Children, Peter, also buried there, Solomon,
buried at Taylor Co IA, Dulcina BATES, burial place unknown, Elizabeth
TALBERT, same, Phebe DERRICKSON, whose family relocated to IA also, and my
g g grandfather, Hiram FOREMAN, who relocated to Linn Co KS, first, then
back to IN and IL, and finally to Prairie/Lonoke Co AR. Margaret FOREMAN,
widow, married John SLEETH after first husband's death. Foreman Branch ran
through their property.
NO ATTACHMENTS, PLEASE, Unless requested by me
MT PLEASANT CEMETERY AT TANGLEWOOD, Forsyth Co NC
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Opry/1166/mtplea/mtplea.htm
GRANNY'S GENEALOGY PAGE http://www.geocities.com/nashville/opry/1166/
FLESHER HOMEPAGE http://www.public.usit.net/gflesher
I am looking for information on the early settlements near Blue River in
the northern part of the county. I am also interested in info on an old
Indiana trace that was named Napoleon trace or road. Jerry
Kathryn,
I tried > http://www.shelbynews.com/lifestyles
and received the same "server cannot be found" message.
I backed up to http://www.shelbynews.com/ and then chose lifestyles.
The link does take you to "Lifestyles" and Ron's article is still there,
but the url is anything but .../lifestyles!
I'll leave the suffix off the next time I announce an article.
P
The marriage certificates in the big books at the courthouse, look like a
form similar to a receipt. It had only three names: bride, groom and the
court clerk's...when did they start requiring applications? Taday you have
to fill out a long form and 50 years ago you had to take blood tests.
Thank You,
Mert in Louisville
From: "Melinda Weaver" <mem(a)shelbynet.net>
Reply-To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Application for marriage License
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:52:01 -0500
As far as I know, the marriage application and the license were one in the
same. If there are any that are separate, they would be recorded at the
same place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne Surber" <surberj(a)earthlink.net>
To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: Application for marriage License
> I'd like to know the answer to that too. I have a Xerox copy of the
> original certificate(?) of marriage of my g.grandparents that was issued
in
> December of 1838 in Shelby County. It starts out, "Be it remembered that
on
> the Twenty Eighth day of December in the year of our Lord Eighteen
hundred
> and thirty eight, a License was issued out of the office of the Clerk of
the
> Shelby Circuit Court following . . . " (some of it is not legible).
>
> But if the LICENSE was issued "out of" the Clerk of the Circuit Court,
that
> must surely have been where APPLICATION was made.
>
> The actual marriage took place two days later on December 30 and was so
> inscribed and certified at the bottom of the marriage license. Also on
this
> certificate is a statement that it was FILED on January 4, 1839 in the
> office of the "aforesaid clerk." So apparently there were several steps
> taken --
>
> (1) presumably an application for the license
> (2) The certificate that the license was issued & with authorization to
> marry
> (3) The actual marriage ceremoney and filling out the certificate that it
> was performed
> (4) Filing the certificate that it actually took place.
>
> My copy of this is a rather poor machine copy of the handwritten original
> that has come to me through the family and I haven't been able to learn
who
> has the original or where or how they got it. It appears to have been
> copied from an old document and not from a Shelby County source, as the
> Xerox seems to be of a somewhat frayed and much folded piece of paper.
>
> But nowhere does it mention ages of the couple or parents' names or
anything
> else useful from a genealogy standpoint other than when and where the
> marriage took place and by whom. And although that is good information I
> REALLY need those ages and parents' names. But if they were both over 21
> (as I believe they were) maybe they didn't need to give this
information?)
>
> Jeanne Surber
> SURBER, MILLER, FREY
>
>
>
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> MERT WROTE:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mert Marley
> To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
> Subject: Marriage Licenses
> If anyone who is a member of the Shelby County Genealogical/Historical
> Society can tell me that if someone was married in 1836, did they have to
> fill out an application for a marriage license back then? If so where
would
> the applications, not the marraige licenses themselves, be filed? Where
> would one find them if they exist?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Mert in Louisville
>
>
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Hello again,
This may help both of us:
Shelby Circuit Court Clerk
COURTHOUSE, RM 200
PO BOX 198
SHELBYVILLE, IN 46176
Phone: 317-392-6320 -- Fax: 317-392-6393
From: "Jeanne Surber" <surberj(a)earthlink.net>
Reply-To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Application for marriage License
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:36:18 -0800
I'd like to know the answer to that too. I have a Xerox copy of the
original certificate(?) of marriage of my g.grandparents that was issued in
December of 1838 in Shelby County. It starts out, "Be it remembered that on
the Twenty Eighth day of December in the year of our Lord Eighteen hundred
and thirty eight, a License was issued out of the office of the Clerk of the
Shelby Circuit Court following . . . " (some of it is not legible).
But if the LICENSE was issued "out of" the Clerk of the Circuit Court, that
must surely have been where APPLICATION was made.
The actual marriage took place two days later on December 30 and was so
inscribed and certified at the bottom of the marriage license. Also on this
certificate is a statement that it was FILED on January 4, 1839 in the
office of the "aforesaid clerk." So apparently there were several steps
taken --
(1) presumably an application for the license
(2) The certificate that the license was issued & with authorization to
marry
(3) The actual marriage ceremoney and filling out the certificate that it
was performed
(4) Filing the certificate that it actually took place.
My copy of this is a rather poor machine copy of the handwritten original
that has come to me through the family and I haven't been able to learn who
has the original or where or how they got it. It appears to have been
copied from an old document and not from a Shelby County source, as the
Xerox seems to be of a somewhat frayed and much folded piece of paper.
But nowhere does it mention ages of the couple or parents' names or anything
else useful from a genealogy standpoint other than when and where the
marriage took place and by whom. And although that is good information I
REALLY need those ages and parents' names. But if they were both over 21
(as I believe they were) maybe they didn't need to give this information?)
Jeanne Surber
SURBER, MILLER, FREY
==============
MERT WROTE:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mert Marley
To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: Marriage Licenses
If anyone who is a member of the Shelby County Genealogical/Historical
Society can tell me that if someone was married in 1836, did they have to
fill out an application for a marriage license back then? If so where would
the applications, not the marraige licenses themselves, be filed? Where
would one find them if they exist?
Thank You,
Mert in Louisville
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If it said "out of" the clerk of the circuit court, then records might be in
Indianapolis, but I'm not sure. I went to the corthouse sometime ago and saw
a marriage certificate from 1856 in the county courthouse. I may need to
call them a visit again and call upon the state archives.
Thanks,
Mert in Louisville
From: "Jeanne Surber" <surberj(a)earthlink.net>
Reply-To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Application for marriage License
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:36:18 -0800
I'd like to know the answer to that too. I have a Xerox copy of the
original certificate(?) of marriage of my g.grandparents that was issued in
December of 1838 in Shelby County. It starts out, "Be it remembered that on
the Twenty Eighth day of December in the year of our Lord Eighteen hundred
and thirty eight, a License was issued out of the office of the Clerk of the
Shelby Circuit Court following . . . " (some of it is not legible).
But if the LICENSE was issued "out of" the Clerk of the Circuit Court, that
must surely have been where APPLICATION was made.
The actual marriage took place two days later on December 30 and was so
inscribed and certified at the bottom of the marriage license. Also on this
certificate is a statement that it was FILED on January 4, 1839 in the
office of the "aforesaid clerk." So apparently there were several steps
taken --
(1) presumably an application for the license
(2) The certificate that the license was issued & with authorization to
marry
(3) The actual marriage ceremoney and filling out the certificate that it
was performed
(4) Filing the certificate that it actually took place.
My copy of this is a rather poor machine copy of the handwritten original
that has come to me through the family and I haven't been able to learn who
has the original or where or how they got it. It appears to have been
copied from an old document and not from a Shelby County source, as the
Xerox seems to be of a somewhat frayed and much folded piece of paper.
But nowhere does it mention ages of the couple or parents' names or anything
else useful from a genealogy standpoint other than when and where the
marriage took place and by whom. And although that is good information I
REALLY need those ages and parents' names. But if they were both over 21
(as I believe they were) maybe they didn't need to give this information?)
Jeanne Surber
SURBER, MILLER, FREY
==============
MERT WROTE:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mert Marley
To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: Marriage Licenses
If anyone who is a member of the Shelby County Genealogical/Historical
Society can tell me that if someone was married in 1836, did they have to
fill out an application for a marriage license back then? If so where would
the applications, not the marraige licenses themselves, be filed? Where
would one find them if they exist?
Thank You,
Mert in Louisville
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If anyone who is a member of the Shelby County Genealogical/Historical
Society can tell me that if someone was married in 1836, did they have to
fill out an application for a marriage license back then? If so where would
the applications, not the marraige licenses themselves, be filed? Where
would one find them if they exist?
Thank You,
Mert in Louisville
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As far as I know, the marriage application and the license were one in the
same. If there are any that are separate, they would be recorded at the
same place.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne Surber" <surberj(a)earthlink.net>
To: <INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: Application for marriage License
> I'd like to know the answer to that too. I have a Xerox copy of the
> original certificate(?) of marriage of my g.grandparents that was issued
in
> December of 1838 in Shelby County. It starts out, "Be it remembered that
on
> the Twenty Eighth day of December in the year of our Lord Eighteen hundred
> and thirty eight, a License was issued out of the office of the Clerk of
the
> Shelby Circuit Court following . . . " (some of it is not legible).
>
> But if the LICENSE was issued "out of" the Clerk of the Circuit Court,
that
> must surely have been where APPLICATION was made.
>
> The actual marriage took place two days later on December 30 and was so
> inscribed and certified at the bottom of the marriage license. Also on
this
> certificate is a statement that it was FILED on January 4, 1839 in the
> office of the "aforesaid clerk." So apparently there were several steps
> taken --
>
> (1) presumably an application for the license
> (2) The certificate that the license was issued & with authorization to
> marry
> (3) The actual marriage ceremoney and filling out the certificate that it
> was performed
> (4) Filing the certificate that it actually took place.
>
> My copy of this is a rather poor machine copy of the handwritten original
> that has come to me through the family and I haven't been able to learn
who
> has the original or where or how they got it. It appears to have been
> copied from an old document and not from a Shelby County source, as the
> Xerox seems to be of a somewhat frayed and much folded piece of paper.
>
> But nowhere does it mention ages of the couple or parents' names or
anything
> else useful from a genealogy standpoint other than when and where the
> marriage took place and by whom. And although that is good information I
> REALLY need those ages and parents' names. But if they were both over 21
> (as I believe they were) maybe they didn't need to give this information?)
>
> Jeanne Surber
> SURBER, MILLER, FREY
>
>
>
> ==============
> MERT WROTE:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mert Marley
> To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
> Subject: Marriage Licenses
> If anyone who is a member of the Shelby County Genealogical/Historical
> Society can tell me that if someone was married in 1836, did they have to
> fill out an application for a marriage license back then? If so where
would
> the applications, not the marraige licenses themselves, be filed? Where
> would one find them if they exist?
>
> Thank You,
>
> Mert in Louisville
>
>
>
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I'd like to know the answer to that too. I have a Xerox copy of the
original certificate(?) of marriage of my g.grandparents that was issued in
December of 1838 in Shelby County. It starts out, "Be it remembered that on
the Twenty Eighth day of December in the year of our Lord Eighteen hundred
and thirty eight, a License was issued out of the office of the Clerk of the
Shelby Circuit Court following . . . " (some of it is not legible).
But if the LICENSE was issued "out of" the Clerk of the Circuit Court, that
must surely have been where APPLICATION was made.
The actual marriage took place two days later on December 30 and was so
inscribed and certified at the bottom of the marriage license. Also on this
certificate is a statement that it was FILED on January 4, 1839 in the
office of the "aforesaid clerk." So apparently there were several steps
taken --
(1) presumably an application for the license
(2) The certificate that the license was issued & with authorization to
marry
(3) The actual marriage ceremoney and filling out the certificate that it
was performed
(4) Filing the certificate that it actually took place.
My copy of this is a rather poor machine copy of the handwritten original
that has come to me through the family and I haven't been able to learn who
has the original or where or how they got it. It appears to have been
copied from an old document and not from a Shelby County source, as the
Xerox seems to be of a somewhat frayed and much folded piece of paper.
But nowhere does it mention ages of the couple or parents' names or anything
else useful from a genealogy standpoint other than when and where the
marriage took place and by whom. And although that is good information I
REALLY need those ages and parents' names. But if they were both over 21
(as I believe they were) maybe they didn't need to give this information?)
Jeanne Surber
SURBER, MILLER, FREY
==============
MERT WROTE:
----- Original Message -----
From: Mert Marley
To: INSHELBY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: Marriage Licenses
If anyone who is a member of the Shelby County Genealogical/Historical
Society can tell me that if someone was married in 1836, did they have to
fill out an application for a marriage license back then? If so where would
the applications, not the marraige licenses themselves, be filed? Where
would one find them if they exist?
Thank You,
Mert in Louisville
Kathryn,
I checked it out for you and got the same problem. I went to the homepage
and clicked through all the links and then copied the link for you.
http://www.shelbynews.com/Main.asp?UID=106048&SectionID=42&SubSectionID=84&A
rticleID=11197
This one should work.
Oh, by the way, I noticed that you also belong to the MOORE mail list....me,
too. My maiden name was Moore. I think that we are researching different
families though. My Moore's came from Ireland to PA, to Ohio, to Indiana.
Thanks,
Melinda
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From: "Kathryn Jennings" <kayjay(a)ameritech.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: INSHELBY-D Digest V00 #288
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> > Subject: St Joseph Church
> > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:18:27 -0500
> > From: Phyllis Fleming <plfleming(a)shelbynet.net>
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> > The history article this week is "Dedication of St. Joseph Church was
> > grand event" by Ron Hamilton. The year was 1908. Includes a picture of
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> A message reads that the server cannot be found. Would
> you please check this for me?
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> Kathryn
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