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Author: dominusvobiscum
Surnames: Carnine, Carmine, Carvine, Canine, McCarty, Benefiel(d), Clark
Classification: queries
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FAMILY of HIRAM ALLEN CARNINE (CARMINE)
Husband: Hiram Allen Carnine (Carmine) (12 Jul 1810 Shelby Co KY; 15 Apr 1894 Canaan,
Jefferson, IN)
s/o Richard Seth Carnine & Mary "Polly" Demaree
1850: Hiram Carmine b 1810 OH [proved wrong]
1856: Allen Carmine b 1811 KY
[Why the change of name & place of birth?
This could be another person, but the family members are identical, except for pl of b.]
1860: Alen Carmine b 1811 KY
1880: Allen Carnine b 1810 KY, father KY; mother KY
m. 14 Aug 1834 Pleasant Twp, Switzerland Co, IN
Wife: Lydia Ann McCarty (22 Mar 1818; 8 Oct 1862 IA),
d/o James McCarty & Mary Benefiel(d)
1850: b 1815 OH
1856: b 1819 IA (?) [unclear, but looks more like Ia than Ill or Ind]
1860: b 1818 Ind
1880: Sarah b 1817 KY; father KY; mother KY
[Is this another wife, or is she now called Sarah to distinguish her from her dau. Lydia
living with her?]
Children:
Mary Jane Carnine (Carmine)
1850: Mary Jane Carmine b 1835 IL
1856: Mary Carmine b 1836 IA (?) [unclear]
Samuel James Carnine (Carmine)
1850: Samuel Carmine b 1837 IL
1856: James Carmine b 1838 IA (?) [unclear]
1865 Nov 7 James Carmine m. Sarah Clark in Van Buren Co IA [Early Van Buren Co IA
Marriages]
Martha Carnine (Carmine)
1850: b 1839 IL
1856: b 1839 IA (?) [unclear]
Richard Carnine (Carmine)
1850: b 1841 IA
1856: b 1841 IA (?) [unclear]
Milinda/Malinda/Melinda Carnine (Carmine)
1850: Milinda Carmine b 1843 IA
1856: Malinda Carmine b 1843 IA (?) [unclear]
1860: Melinda Carmine b 1843 Ind [probably incorrect]
Sarah Carnine (Carmine)
1850: b 1846 IA
1856: b 1845 IA (?) [unclear]
1860: b 1845 Ind [probably incorrect]
William Jackson Carnine (Carmine) (31 May 1847 Keosauqua, Van Buren, IA; 30 Sep 1921)
1850: b 1848 IA
1856: b 1847 IA
1860: b 1847 Ind [proved incorrect]
1868 4 Jul m. Sarah Frances Hagler in Van Buren Co IA [Early Van Buren Co IA Marriages],
(9 Nov 1853 Milton, Van Buren, IA; 18 Dec 1949) d/o Amos Hagler & Comfort Stephenson
1870: IA, Van Buren, Jackson, Milton: William b. 1848 IA; Sarah b 1854 IA; dau. Effie b
1869 IA
Robert Carnine (Carmine)
1850: b 1849 IA
1856: b 1849 IA
1860: b 1849 Ind [probably incorrect]
Elisa [transcribed as Eliza] Carnine (Carmine)
1856: b 1851 IA
1860: b 1851 Ind [probably incorrect]
Emily Carnine (Carmine)
1856: b 1853 IA
1860: b 1853 Ind [probably incorrect]
Levi Carnine (Carmine)
1856: b 1856 IA
1860: b 1855 Ind [probably incorrect]
Franklin Carnine (Carmine)
1860: b 1857 Ind
Lydia Carnine (Carmine)
1860: b 1859 Ind
1880: b 1859 Ind; father KY; mother Ind
[This same census says her "mother" Sarah is b in KY not Ind.
That suggests that Sarah & Lydia may be different people,
& that Allen may have remarried.]
Census Info:
1810 KY Shelby Co: Canine: Peter, Cornelius, Ralph & Richard (heads of families)
1820 IN Switzerland Co: Richard & John Carvine (heads of families)
1830 & 1840: KY: preliminary web searches show no Hiram or Allen Carmine/Carman
1812: OH: no Carmine; Carman, James & Joshua
1820: OH: no Hiram or Allen Carmine; Carman, Carmean, Carmon
1830: OH: no Hiram or Allen Carmine; John Carmine
1840: IL: Carman, Carmon, Karmon are listed, but no Hiram or Allen.
[He would have been 29 or 30 in 1840 & his first 3 children were born 1835-39,
so he should have been listed as a head of household.
Perhaps, those children were not born in IL]
1850: IA, Des Moines, Yellow Spring [no "s" on the census form]
1856: IA, Des Moines, Benton
1860: Ind, Jefferson, Shelby
[Why did the family move all the way to SE Ind near the border of KY? Allen's father
Richard Seth Carnine d 11 May 1859 Pleasant, Switzerland, IN. Allen himself d 15 Apr 1894
in Canaan, Jefferson, IN.)]
1880: IA, Van Buren, Jackson, Milton [joining sons James & William whose families live
there]
1890: census burned
William Jackson Carnine Pedigree Chart (Notes Disc#46):
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestors....
Hope this will be of further help to someone.
Charles Walthall
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