If you find anything about Joseph, I would be surprised. He was the one who
"disappeared." Evidently, he married a woman from Perry County and moved to
Texas where he eventually "failed to return from town one day." It was
thought that he had drowned, but there seems to have been correspondence
between him and Jules where Joseph begged Jules not to tell anyone where he
was. I thought I had found evidence of him in San Francisco, but it turned
out to be a different Joseph Etienne. There was a rumor that he had died in
Fulsom Prison, but I was never able to obtain any verification of that from
the prison records; nor, that he was ever there, for that matter.
His family in Texas now goes by the name of ADIAN which is an
Americanization of ETIENNE pronunciation. I have had some contact with
them, but none lately.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Sandage Murphy [mailto:jmurphy@erinet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:02 AM
To: INPERRY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [INPERRY] Re: INPERRY-D Digest V06 #3
Judy,
I understand what you are saying, but not only did the book of emigration
showing they arrived on that specific ship in 1852, but even the 1900 census
shows Joseph and Jule as arriving in 1852 too. Now Josephine was still
alive and in cnsus shows just above Joseph and says 1842 but that is
definitely in error since shows 48 yrs in states and Joseph also shows as
48yrs in state. I never got hold of the Naturalization papers for Joseph to
see when it stated he had entered, though -- one of my "to do" projects. So
since the ship papers plus 1900 census state 1852 I would think that would
be correct and the birthdate of her is one year later in 1853 and not 1852.
I don't think I ever found or verified that she indeed was born in first
part of 1852, either.
Now it is true the Harbaville's came in 1851 -- and again census shows this
to be true immigration date for them -- so had always been my understanding
that the Harbaville's came a year earlier than the Etienne family.
I never really researched this fully since not a part of my family line --
just try to keep track of the various Perry and Spencer (and Gibson Co)
family persons and when they came to states, to the county, etc.
Now if you really found the birth record, are all the records around that
record the same year? Sometimes families back then would have a bunch of
kids recorded at same time and went by "memory" not so much as a doctor
saying this was actual date of birth, etc....
Anyway, that is why I stated the ship records and date of immigration both
as 1852 year.
Judy M.
Thanks for your info. It is interesting that so much data can be
wrong with what is supposed to be accurate records.
First, they arrived in the US in 1851 not 1852. This is evidenced
by the fact
that they had a child very soon, if not upon their arrival in
Derby. That child was Rosa and she was not listed as being onboard in your
listing. The mother-in-law was found dead on the river boat upon arriving
at Derby on January 6, 1852. Her last name was Harbaville.
Jules (the listing for Juli) was a male and the ancestor of
literally dozens of residents of Perry County (if not hundreds!)
Anyway, the gist of the information is probably correct, but there always
seems to be a fact or two which does not seem to match.
Chuck Etienne
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