No apology necessary, Helen. You folks in Indiana are a beacon of light for
the rest of us interested in these issues.
Best of luck to you regarding the tornado damage repairs--I can empathize,
we get a lot of those down here. Tornados are not fun things to deal with.
Laurie Morris
mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
----- Original Message -----
From: stonehugger <stonehugger(a)insightbb.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] sorry
very true Laurie, I apologize for reading this wrong. It has been a
very
trying few days, and I have been without internet service for several
days,
and apparently did not read the entire conversation. I am glad
that you
took the time to explain this to me. As you can see, we feel very
strongly
about our cemeteries down here in Southern Indiana, and I can tend to
get
on
my soapbox. Have a good morning.
Helen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Morris" <lmorris(a)wt.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Time to try to make a change
> Sorry, if my apparently poor attempt at tongue-in-cheek ticked you off,
> Helen. If you re-read the excerpt from Jack's original email that I
> referenced, you'll see I was referring to those property owners who
"neither
> care for, nor respect" the cemeteries on their land. Obviously, many
> landholders don't fall into that category, and those people would be a
boon
> to any process that would hopefully bring about access legislation.
>
> The golden rule means the same thing in Texas that it does in Indiana.
> However, it's been my experience that some people don't respond to that,
no
> matter how gentle or well-intentioned one might be in applying it. If
they
> don't see how something benefits them, they aren't interested. I'm all
for
> educating and reasoning with, but there will always be some with whom
> neither will work. Perhaps with those a little "psychology" would be
more
> effective.
>
> I'm a property owner myself and have strong feelings about trespassers.
To
> some degree I can understand where the owners that Donna and Bud
encountered
> are coming from (although the vandalism charge was way out in left
field).
> However, I didn't buy a piece of land with a cemetery on it,
and if I
did
I
> would definitely allow access to it, and maintain it properly out of
respect
> to the dead buried there. And I would certainly welcome any help from a
> well-intentioned community group who offer their sweat free of charge.
It
> sounds as if this particular instance may be worked out
amicably--I
> certainly hope so. But what about the next time it happens? If
everyone
> behaved according to the golden rule, none of these
conversations would
be
> taking place--it is the people that Jack was referring to that,
> unfortunately, make legislation a needed thing. Just my opinion.
>
> Laurie Morris
> mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: stonehugger <stonehugger(a)insightbb.com>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Time to try to make a change
>
>
> > I'm sorry, but what these people think IS important. We need to
educate
> > them sometimes, and change what they think by giving them
information,
but
> > ultimately, what these people think will make the difference. We can
not
> > change the laws by ourselves, it takes a larger section of the public
than
> > just us. I don't think we are tricking them and "flattering their
petty
> > egos". We are treating them as human beings and with
respect. Do you
> have
> > a different meaning of the golden rule where you come from? If we are
> > denied access to a cemetery, and it is not threatened with
destruction,
we
> > still know where it is. We may not be able to document it every way we
> would
> > like to, but we still have to accept the wishes of the landowner. If
we
> > treat him/her with respect, and try a gentle approach, we
can usually
get
> > them to understand the reasoning behind what we want to do. We have
only
> > been denied access to a couple of cemeteries here, we know they are
not
> > threatened, and we know eventually, they will change hands
and
hopefully
> the
> > new owner will be more willing to work with us. We have more than
enough
> > cemeteries in our county that need work, we can concentrate our
efforts
> > elsewhere until the time is right to approach the owner
again.
> > Helen Wildermuth
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Laurie Morris" <lmorris(a)wt.net>
> > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Time to try to make a change
> >
> >
> > > > Why does anyone
> > > > want to put a tight claim on a cemetery which they neither care
for,
> nor
> > > > respect.
> > >
> > > Just because they can. (Unfortunately.) There are plenty of people
in
> > the
> > > world who like throwing around whatever weight they think they have,
> > however
> > > small. I agree with your approach, Jack--if you're gonna outsmart
these
> > > folks, you have to out-think them, which means going back to the old
> > adage,
> > > "you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."
Flatter
their
> > > petty egos by bringing them on board and making them think their
input
> is
> > > important. They have to think that any legislation passed is going
to
> be
> > in
> > > their best interests. Schmooz 'em out the wazoo til you get what
you
> > > want. Go, Hoosiers!
> > >
> > > Sounds like war to me.
> > >
> > > Laurie Morris
> > > mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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England
and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
"Show me the manner in which a nation or community
cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
to high ideals."