Hi Mark
Of the two fellows in Indiana, both are born in 1831 or 1833. Both were born
in Ohio, but Morgan Co. Abraham is in both the 1860 and 1870 census in
Martinsville, Morgan Co., as a single man living at home in 1860, age 29, born
1831, and as a married man in 1870 with a wife Susan. Perhaps one solution would
be to eliminate him as a candidate if one of our brethren could verify that
his stone is still standing somewhere around Martinsville.
Shelby Co. Abraham was not found in 1860, but resided in Shelby county in
1870, born in 1833, and married to wife Sabra.
Abram and Elmira were born in 1836 and 1837, respectively, both in New York,
and lived at that time in Queens Co. in 1870, they had children William
(1859) and Elmira (1866). So yes, she was clearly capable of having been the
mother of William II.
Remember also that the cultural practice of patterning was common, and
although having two sons named "William" seems odd to us today, in fact it was
relatively common back then. Children often did not survive childhood, and
William I may have been sickly, and naming his new brother William II may have
been a way of honoring that name further, hoping to provide an adult survivor
with the name. Conversely, there may have been an obvious problem with William
II, and it might have been obvious to those around him that he was not going
to survive long. Hence the repeat.
Consider also that while those that painted the stone have their own agenda
and mode of transportation that could have brought the stone to Indiana, is it
possible, or likely, that Abram and Elmira themselves migrated to your area,
and brought the stone as a family memento? we have never heard of that
one, but we are already well off the beaten path!
And yes, we would be glad to look at a pix of the stone. We had not
considered an error by the stone mason, but you rightly point that out as another
possibility.
Perhaps it would be worth looing to see what finally became of New York
Abram and Elmira...
Vince
In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:29:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
mjkreps(a)gmail.com writes:
Vince,
Thanks for all the work. It is rather aggravating when there is so little.
Do you know how old Abram and Elvira were in 1870? Would Elvira still be in
child bearing age? I could send you a picture of the marker and see what you
thought. If you want to see the pictue just let me know. It is possible
that the engraver could have thought it the name was spelled Demoff or plain
made a mistake.
Mark Kreps
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:58 AM, <VinceKoers(a)aol.com> wrote:
Hi Mark
In checking the 1860 and 1870 census records for DeMoff or De Moff, very
little was found, and nothing matching male A's or female E's.
Food for thought - could the name instead be DeMott?
If so, there are several possibilities we see... 1870, Abram & Elmira,
King's County NY; Abram & Elizabeth, Queens NY
There are two Abraham DeMott fellas in 1860-1870 that lived in Morgan and
Shelby counties, but both had wives with names starting in S - Susan and
Sabra.
These two are much closer to home, but both require the assumption the
wife
had a middle initial E and went by it at least part time.
Or perhaps the E is really an S?
Let me know if you think this might be a plausible line to follow up
on...
Vince Koers
_vincekoers(a)aol.com_ (mailto:vincekoers@aol.com)
In a message dated 9/21/2008 2:56:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
mjkreps(a)gmail.com writes:
The Indiana Delaware County Center Township Trustees office handed over a
marker they have had in storage not knowing where it came from. The marker
was vandalized by a satanic group in that it had been spray painted black
and pentagram and swastika drawn on it. The Pioneer Cemetery Preservation
Committee has begun cleaning it. We aren't sure which cemetery it comes
from. This is where the INPCRP group might be able to help out. The marker
has the following words on it: WILLIAM C. (perhaps the C is a G) son of A
&
E DEMOFF, died Oct. 13, 1864 age 2 yr 6 m 14 D.
I couldn't find any DeMoff's in Delaware Co., IN yet when checking the
1880
census found them as far away as Calif., Michigan and Wisconsin. Any help
would be appreciated. If you want a picture of the vandalized marker let
me
know and I'll send it to you.
Mark Kreps
mjkreps(a)gmail.com
Pioneer Cemetery Preservation Committee
Delaware County Historical Society, IN
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