Hello Gang:
I didn't realize when I ask the question about what was a Pioneer Cemetery
it would have so much a following.
Some of my thoughts are as follows. From working on the old, pioneer
cemeteries that have been abandoned and are now under the trustees in Tipton
County, I have noticed things. Some of what I noticed is that many of the
burials were way before 1850 and lots of children also. That would have
meant that this county was well settled at that time. I am sure many were
born and buried here between 1850-1900. I also think that 1900 was the
beginning of the machine age or modern day for that time.
I would think an older date than 1900 should be appropirate for those who
cleared the land and faced the perils of a new frontier.
This has been very interesting.
Joan Wray
Tipton County
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Green" <rgreen(a)insightbb.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemetery Defintion
To the list:
We should probably wait a couple more days for others around the state to
have input and advice on the definition, and then we can compile all of
the
thoughts and concerns before deciding on a final draft.
I would encourage everyone who has anything to offer to do so, and if any
of
you more articulate readers/writers out there feel comfortable writing the
final draft, please feel welcome to get involved.
Regards to all,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "UEB" <uebush(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemetery Defintion
> Rich & Others;
>
> Are we discussing the cemeteries time of establishment, or trying to
> determine who is considered a pioneer, and when?
> I would assume any cemetery that was established in Indiana prior to 1900
> would most likely have pioneers buried therein.
> The majority of the cemeteries in Henry county I have researched have
> land
> deeds giving the year of establishment.
> How would we determine if a paupers' asylum cemetery could be called a
> pioneer cemetery, I'm sure they were pioneers like every other pioneer.
> Also the veteran's cemeteries, the majority of the early civil war
> veterans
> would be considered "pioneers."
> In order for a cemetery to be called a "pioneer" cemetery do we really
> need
> a date. If so let's set it to include all of those who settled and tamed
> this once vast forest called Indiana.
> My own personal opinion.
>
> UEB
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <KidClerk(a)aol.com>
> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemetery Defintion
>
>
>>
>> Rich:
>>
>> Thanks for picking up the ball and running with it. Like you, I'm
>> troubled
>> with using a date as a qualifier, but am unsure how else it should be
>> handled. Here's why:
>>
>> My mother's ancestors settled in Henry and Wayne counties in the early
>> 1820's. My father's in Montgomery County about the same time. There
>> were
>> pioneers living in these areas prior to my family's settlement. By the
>> time 1850
>> rolled around, these areas had been inhabited for over 30 years. Is
>> someone
>> who moved into a county that had been settled for over 30 years still
>> considered a pioneer?
>>
>> Now move north to Newton County. The first white child was born here
>> in
>> 1832, the county organized in 1860. It stands to reason that there will
>> be
>> fewer pioneers who meet this criteria because the number of years of
>> qualification is shorter. (not to mention our population was never as
>> large). Are people
>> that settled here in 1852 not pioneers? It's within 20 years of the
>> first
>> settlers and we consider people who moved into Henry County thirty
>> years
>> after
>> the first settlement pioneers...???
>>
>> Rich knows me well enough from this list to know I'm not being critical
>> of
>> his idea...he's seeking input, so those of you reading this, please
>> don't
>> think
>> I'm being critical. To some of you, this isn't an issue with you and
>> you
>> may not understand why it's such a big deal. Maybe it's not..and maybe
>> that's
>> why we've never been able to nail down a definition. But since it does
>> come
>> up and could possibly be an issue in the future, why not address it
>> once
>> and
>> for all. I do agree with Rich that the definition should hinge on
>> residency
>> dates and not death or burial dates.
>>
>> So....what's my solution? Well, like Rich, I'm going to throw out an
>> idea
>> that we use settlement or residency dates to establish the definition of
>> a
>> pioneer. Yes, to determine if a cemetery includes the burial of
>> pioneers
>> could
>> take a little more effort, but could also result in previously
>> non-pioneer
>> cemeteries now being considered pioneer burial grounds.
>>
>> I'm proposing following the standards set forth by the Society of
>> Indiana
>> Pioneers in establishing the dates of pioneers. By remaining consistent
>> with
>> this organization, we will be less likely to run into conflicting
>> definitions
>> of who really is a pioneer.
>>
>> Here is how the Society establishes pioneer criteria...
>>
>> Regular Membership is open to men and women eighteen (18) years of age
>> or
>> older, who prove one or more of his or her ancestors meets the
>> qualifications
>> of an Indiana Pioneer. An Indiana Pioneer is one who lived within the
>> present
>> boundary of an Indiana county on or before December 31, 1840, unless
>> that
>> county is listed in the following chart, in which case the Pioneer must
>> have
>> lived within the present boundary of that county on or before December
>> 31
>> of the
>> year shown.
>> Howard 1845 Lake 1845 Newton 1855 Starke 1850 Tipton
>> 1845
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the society recognizes that some counties are younger than
>> the
>> majority of the state, and have made provisions accordingly. I'm sure
>> these
>> dates were not picked randomly, and therefore, should be worthy of our
>> consideration. In order to be fair and equitable to all of our
>> pioneers,
>> I think
>> these dates have merit.
>>
>> Thanks again Rich for starting the discussion. Hopefully more will
>> weigh
>> in
>> with their ideas. That's what this list is for...
>>
>> Kyle D. Conrad
>> Brook, IN
>>
>> In a message dated 08/28/2007 7:05:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> rgreen(a)insightbb.com writes:
>>
>> To the List:
>>
>> Since we left off here the other day, not much has been added to the
>> discussion regarding an INPCRP definition of a pioneer cemetery. I'll
>> go
>> ahead and provide a place to start with the draft definition below;
>> however,
>> I'd like to qualify the use of the date.
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the year 1850 has been
>> previously
>> used to define an Indiana pioneer? I'm uncertain how this date came to
>> pass, but I'll go ahead and use January 1, 1851 in the draft definition
>> so
>> as to include the entire year of 1850. It should be noted that this is
>> not
>> the date of death or burial, but rather a date of residency or birth in
>> the
>> state of Indiana. This should take into account all who participated
>> in
>> "pioneering" the state of Indiana, but let's go ahead and discuss
this
>> further to be sure there is a consensus.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Draft Definition of an Indiana Pioneer Cemetery: ( a place to start)
>>
>> Persons who resided in or were born in the state of Indiana prior to
>> January
>> 1, 1851 shall be considered Indiana pioneers. The term "pioneer"
>> cemetery
>> shall refer to any cemetery or burial ground, whether on public or
>> private
>> land, that includes the graves sites of Indiana pioneers.
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> There are probably problems with the above definition, or for that
>> matter
>> with any simplified definition, so let's kick this around some and see
>> if
>> we
>> can't improve it while endeavoring to keep it as simply stated as is
>> possible.
>>
>> One problem that comes to mind: How can residency prior to 1851 be
>> expeditiously determined when studying a cemetery? A researcher can't
>> really
>> assume that all gravesites meeting the date criteria also suggest
>> residency
>> before 1850? Particularly if the date of death is post 1851. It seems
>> to
>> me that there will have to be additional criteria in the cemetery
>> definition
>> that simplifies the process of determining Indiana Pioneer Cemetery
>> status.
>> It may be that some discussion about the number of potential pioneer
>> interments within a cemetery should be a requirement? Or perhaps, a
>> percentage of the total? I don't pretend to know, let's discuss it.
>>
>> Thanks in advance to all who participate in the discussion.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Rich Green
>> Historic Archaeological Research
>> 4338 Hadley Court
>> West Lafayette, IN 47906
>> Office: (765) 464-8735
>> Mobile: (765) 427-4082
>>
www.har-indy.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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