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This is WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! SO TOTALLY WRONG!!!!
Gae Matchette
> From: inpcrp-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: INPCRP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 42
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:24:49 -0700
>
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Boone County Cemetery (Tami K. Pelling)
> 2. Re: Boone County Cemetery (LA Clugh)
> 3. Re: Boone County Cemetery (Cathi Taylor)
> 4. Re: Boone County Cemetery (mamascupboard(a)aol.com)
> 5. Re: Boone County Cemetery (KFurBallKell(a)aol.com)
> 6. Re: Boone County Cemetery (ltippin tds.net)
> 7. Re: Boone County Cemetery (Linda Gill Grove)
> 8. Re: Boone County Cemetery (KidClerk(a)aol.com)
> 9. Re: Boone County Cemetery (tammy workman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:46:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Tami K. Pelling" <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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>
> For those interested that have not seen the news,?a Boone County cemetery dating
> back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble.? You can read the
> news at
> http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery....
>
>
> Tami K. Pelling
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 09:31:54 -0500
> From: "LA Clugh" <laclugh(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
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>
> OMG.
> I will never understand this kind of thinking.
>
> la
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tami K. Pelling" <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:46 AM
> Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery
> dating
> back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read
> the
> news at
> http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery....
>
>
> Tami K. Pelling
>
>
>
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> history topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:36:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: Cathi Taylor <ohiobuck(a)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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>
> Yes, especially the "I don't think it's that big a deal" statement.? I think we
> all know what the outcome of this one will be.
>
> Cathi
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: LA Clugh <laclugh(a)comcast.net>
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:31:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
> OMG.
> I will never understand this kind of thinking.
>
> la
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tami K. Pelling" <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:46 AM
> Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery
> dating
> back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read
> the
> news at
> http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery....
>
>
>
> Tami K. Pelling
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:21:23 -0500
> From: mamascupboard(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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>
> Good grief - What were they thinking? I hope the outcome has resolution for the families of the victims remains.
>
> Brenda Garrod
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tami K. Pelling <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 8:46 am
> Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery dating
> back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read the
> ews at
> ttp://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery-....
>
> ami K. Pelling
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:29:36 EST
> From: KFurBallKell(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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>
> I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
> this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
> reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been told
> quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I have
> been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County that
> is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
> tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of the
> one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
> there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people have
> the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say the
> least.
>
> Sheila Kell
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:25:07 -0500
> From: "ltippin tds.net" <ltippin(a)tds.net>
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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>
> The article indicates DNR is investigating, so this likely means Jeannie is
> following up on the matter. State statutes address the destruction of
> cemeteries. IC 35-43-1-2.1 states in part:
> (b) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally:
> (1) damages a cemetery, a burial ground (as defined in
> IC 14-21-1-3), or a facility used for memorializing the dead;
> (2) damages the grounds owned or rented by a cemetery or facility
> used for memorializing the dead; or
> (3) disturbs, defaces, or damages a cemetery monument, grave marker,
> grave artifact, grave ornamentation, or cemetery enclosure; commits cemetery
> mischief, a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class D felony if
> the pecuniary loss is at least two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500).
>
> So this in fact a big deal and hopefully Jeannie can get proper legal
> satisfaction on this matter.
>
> Larry Tippin
> Putnam County Historian
> ________________________________
> From: LA Clugh <laclugh(a)comcast.net>
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 9:31:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
> >
> > OMG.
> > I will never understand this kind of thinking.
> >
> > la
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tami K. Pelling" <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> > To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:46 AM
> > Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> >
> >
> > For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery
> > dating
> > back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read
> > the
> > news at
> >
> > http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery...
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> > Tami K. Pelling
> >
> >
> >
> > This list is for sharing ideas and restoration projects, questions and
> > history topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:57:07 -0500
> From: Linda Gill Grove <lindaken2048(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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> I believe state law says you can go on to the property with owner's permission on specified date one day a year.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Linda Gill Grove
> Seat belts SAVE lives!
> Texting may TAKE lives!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KFurBallKell(a)aol.com
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 11:29 am
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
>
> this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
>
> reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been told
>
> quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I have
>
> been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County that
>
> is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
>
> tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of the
>
> one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
>
> there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people have
>
> the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say the
>
> least.
>
>
>
> Sheila Kell
>
> This list is for sharing ideas and restoration projects, questions and history
>
> topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:02:44 -0500 (EST)
> From: KidClerk(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I think it probably means the damage is already done and is irreversible.
> As for any possible action against the landowner, while the DNR may be
> involved, I believe upon the completion of the investigation, the case would
> be turned over to the county prosecutor for determination whether criminal
> charges are warranted. So...based on these two points, I think we all know
> what the outcome of this will be.
>
> Kyle D. Conrad
>
>
> In a message dated 11/19/2010 10:29:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> KFurBallKell(a)aol.com writes:
>
> I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
> this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
> reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been
> told
> quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I
> have
> been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County
> that
> is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
> tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of
> the
> one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
> there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people
> have
> the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say
> the
> least.
>
> Sheila Kell
> This list is for sharing ideas and restoration projects, questions and
> history topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:24:46 -0600
> From: tammy workman <tamiworkman79(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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> Is there nothing we can't do to prevent this from happening in the future???
> They are to maintain them not destroy them! Can we start wrighting a
> senator??? We have to put a stop to this.
> On Nov 19, 2010 9:18 AM, <mamascupboard(a)aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good grief - What were they thinking? I hope the outcome has resolution
> for the families of the victims remains.
> >
> > Brenda Garrod
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tami K. Pelling <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> > To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 8:46 am
> > Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
> >
> >
> > For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery
> dating
> > back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read
> the
> > ews at
> > ttp://
> www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery-dating...
> .
> >
> > ami K. Pelling
> >
> >
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> history
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Again, I think only the county prosecutor can bring criminal charges in
this matter. The DNR can investigate and report their findings, but at that
point, I think their jurisdiction ceases.
Kyle D. Conrad
In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:38:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ralloway(a)earthlink.net writes:
This comment is directed to Jeannie of DNR. She knows every time this
sort
of thing takes place and she is on this list but she will never say either
way, what is or can be done. She does NOT like to commit. If I were in
her
shoes, heads would roll and I would prosecute to the full extent of the
law.
Has someone like Gov. Daniels told her to back off? Someone needs to step
up to the plate!
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Larry:
I'm not so sure about your last paragraph. The county cemetery commission
has limited responsibility as to the cemeteries they are charged with
trying to care for. Many of the cemeteries that will be affected by the
elimination of townships are still active (and be producing revenue) and may not
be old enough to qualify under the cemetery commission as the statutes are
written today. The legislation that eliminates townships will have to
specify who does what, and my guess is it will be turned over to the county
executive, ie: county commissioners. If they then charge the cemetery
commission with some responsibility then they may have that option. But as far as
the ownership goes, it will be in the name of the commissioners and
probably not the cemetery commission. Only the commissioners can be the owners
of any county property.
Kyle D. Conrad
In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:29:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ltippin(a)tds.net writes:
Linda,
The statute covering allowing family members to visit their family burial
ground is contained in Indiana Code 6-1.1-6.8 which is another of our well
intentioned but not well thought out laws. This law also states the
cemetery
must be surveyed by a registered surveryor and the property would then be
assessed at $1 an acre. This sounds like a great deal, except the cost of
the survey would far outweigh the tax benefit and to my knowledge not one
single property owner has done so.
With the strong likelihood the legislature will do away with township
government in the upcoming session, has anyone thought or planned what
would
happen to the township cemeteries? I would think those cemeteries would be
deeded to the county cemetery commissions, if a county has one. I suggest
we
all follow the legislative session closely.
Larry Tippin
Putnam County Historian
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Linda Gill Grove
<lindaken2048(a)aol.com>wrote:
> I believe state law says you can go on to the property with owner's
> permission on specified date one day a year.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Linda Gill Grove
> Seat belts SAVE lives!
> Texting may TAKE lives!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KFurBallKell(a)aol.com
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 11:29 am
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome
of
>
> this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
>
> reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been
> told
>
> quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I
> have
>
> been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County
that
>
> is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
>
> tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of
the
>
> one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary
soldier,
>
> there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people
> have
>
> the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say
> the
>
> least.
>
>
>
> Sheila Kell
>
> This list is for sharing ideas and restoration projects, questions and
> history
>
> topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
>
> -------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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body
> of
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> the message
>
>
>
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Linda,
The statute covering allowing family members to visit their family burial
ground is contained in Indiana Code 6-1.1-6.8 which is another of our well
intentioned but not well thought out laws. This law also states the cemetery
must be surveyed by a registered surveryor and the property would then be
assessed at $1 an acre. This sounds like a great deal, except the cost of
the survey would far outweigh the tax benefit and to my knowledge not one
single property owner has done so.
With the strong likelihood the legislature will do away with township
government in the upcoming session, has anyone thought or planned what would
happen to the township cemeteries? I would think those cemeteries would be
deeded to the county cemetery commissions, if a county has one. I suggest we
all follow the legislative session closely.
Larry Tippin
Putnam County Historian
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Linda Gill Grove <lindaken2048(a)aol.com>wrote:
> I believe state law says you can go on to the property with owner's
> permission on specified date one day a year.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Linda Gill Grove
> Seat belts SAVE lives!
> Texting may TAKE lives!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KFurBallKell(a)aol.com
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 11:29 am
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
>
> this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
>
> reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been
> told
>
> quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I
> have
>
> been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County that
>
> is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
>
> tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of the
>
> one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
>
> there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people
> have
>
> the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say
> the
>
> least.
>
>
>
> Sheila Kell
>
> This list is for sharing ideas and restoration projects, questions and
> history
>
> topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
>
> -------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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I think it probably means the damage is already done and is irreversible.
As for any possible action against the landowner, while the DNR may be
involved, I believe upon the completion of the investigation, the case would
be turned over to the county prosecutor for determination whether criminal
charges are warranted. So...based on these two points, I think we all know
what the outcome of this will be.
Kyle D. Conrad
In a message dated 11/19/2010 10:29:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
KFurBallKell(a)aol.com writes:
I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been
told
quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I
have
been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County
that
is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of
the
one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people
have
the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say
the
least.
Sheila Kell
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I believe state law says you can go on to the property with owner's permission on specified date one day a year.
Regards,
Linda Gill Grove
Seat belts SAVE lives!
Texting may TAKE lives!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: KFurBallKell(a)aol.com
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been told
quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I have
been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County that
is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of the
one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people have
the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say the
least.
Sheila Kell
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Is there nothing we can't do to prevent this from happening in the future???
They are to maintain them not destroy them! Can we start wrighting a
senator??? We have to put a stop to this.
On Nov 19, 2010 9:18 AM, <mamascupboard(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> Good grief - What were they thinking? I hope the outcome has resolution
for the families of the victims remains.
>
> Brenda Garrod
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tami K. Pelling <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 8:46 am
> Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
>
>
> For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery
dating
> back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read
the
> ews at
> ttp://
www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery-dating...
.
>
> ami K. Pelling
>
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Kyle,
I believe you are correct with this statement and I have no idea as to whether
cemeteries are important to the prosecutor in Boone County. Jeannie stated in
the cemetery commission meeting held in September that last year's bill
eliminating township offices did not address the cemeteries at all.
The 'not a big deal' attitude also finds its way in other areas. The house my
daughter lived in went up in flames Tuesday. She was having problems with the
landlord taking care of repairs and others have reported problems with him
also. The fire investigator told her that since the landlord did not have
insurance on the property, he was calling it accidental. In other words, it
wasn't worth his time to determine the actual cause. I suppose that was because
it wasn't his house or property that burned.
________________________________
From: "KidClerk(a)aol.com" <KidClerk(a)aol.com>
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:18 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
Again, I think only the county prosecutor can bring criminal charges in
this matter. The DNR can investigate and report their findings, but at that
point, I think their jurisdiction ceases.
Kyle D. Conrad
In a message dated 11/19/2010 1:38:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ralloway(a)earthlink.net writes:
This comment is directed to Jeannie of DNR. She knows every time this
sort
of thing takes place and she is on this list but she will never say either
way, what is or can be done. She does NOT like to commit. If I were in
her
shoes, heads would roll and I would prosecute to the full extent of the
law.
Has someone like Gov. Daniels told her to back off? Someone needs to step
up to the plate!
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I am curious about the comment "I think we all know what the outcome of
this one will be" What does everyone think the outcome will be? If I am
reading this correctly the cemetery was on his property and I have been told
quite a few times "we can't do anything if it is on private property". I have
been watching an old cemetery (one among many) here in Jennings County that
is in private hands. The last thing I heard was they were using the old
tombstones for target practice. It drives me crazy, but in the case of the
one here with over 150 known graves, including one Revolutionary soldier,
there is nothing we can do without the owners cooperation. Many people have
the "I don't see what's the big deal" attitude. Very frustrating to say the
least.
Sheila Kell
Good grief - What were they thinking? I hope the outcome has resolution for the families of the victims remains.
Brenda Garrod
-----Original Message-----
From: Tami K. Pelling <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 8:46 am
Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery dating
back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read the
ews at
ttp://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery-....
ami K. Pelling
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OMG.
I will never understand this kind of thinking.
la
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tami K. Pelling" <fayettefiles(a)yahoo.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Boone County Cemetery
For those interested that have not seen the news, a Boone County cemetery
dating
back to the 1800's has been bulldozed into a pile of rubble. You can read
the
news at
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/north_central/man-bulldozes-cemetery....
Tami K. Pelling
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Dear Bruce,
It sounds like your doing just fine. I wish you well and hope
all things are understood by the trustees and land owners.
After you finish a project it will be a show piece to your work
for others to see. Hopefully it will inspire others to join you.
Good for you.
L.A.~ in Tippecanoe Co.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Wheaton" <rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] INPCRP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39
Hi L.A. and all-
Thanks for your notes and thoughts below. Yes, I've attended the basic and
advanced workshops in the Indy area with John, Mikki, Kelly, and all.
Learned a
lot about technique, but more about doing no harm, error on the side of
caution,
get permissions and licenses, and document, document, document. I'll connect
with the website link you've provide as well.
The county trustee granted verbal permission based on phone conversations
with
her, and submitting a letter requesting permission to begin restoring the
cemetery that outlined the work plan concept. I also sent my resume and
cemetery restoration work history.
I've reset and cleaned the gravestones in the cemetery that belong to my
family
ancestors over the past several months, again with the trustee's permission.
Based on these steps, and given the seasonal weather change about to happen,
she
granted verbal permission for a fall clean-up, with the restoration work
request
going before the board in January.
Tomorrow, I or we will be doing selective clearing of brush back to what is
believed to be the property lines. All work will be on the very conservative
side, intended to clear fallen branches, cut dead overhanging branches that
pose
a safety risk, and selectively clear the cemetery only to the extent that we
can
see what is there. This will prepare the site for restoration work in the
spring
of 2011 (thinking positively!)
I intend to leave all indigenous plants and trees. Plants have been
photographed at the cemetery over the past 12 months, to record what is
growing
there through the seasons. These photos will be part of the plant survey.
I've talked to one adjoining property owner to get his take on where the
common
property lines are, and have his support for the restoration work. I've made
attempts to contact the other property owner for the same reasons, plus
communicate the work intended with assurances of being a good neighbor. I
will
try to catch him again tomorrow.
I've invited the trustee to the site tomorrow as well, so that we can meet,
discuss her concerns on site, and have a better understanding of what is
possible. I've also invited interested community members to join in, or stop
by
to find out more about the project. With the boards permission, I will do
the
gravestone restoration work, but a lot more is possible if the community
sees
the value of the cemetery and claims the restoration as it's own. A couple
of
younger folks (ages 14 & 21) have already expressed their interest in
helping,
along with a local business, a member of the community development
association, and a rep from the historical association.
All that said, yes there is still the possibility of misunderstandings. I'll
try to communicate what I've learned at the workshops about the need for the
restoration work & urgency of time. I'll listen to the concerns of the
trustee
and community members, and try to resolve those issues with education,
following
the models of other restored Indiana pioneer cemeteries, and presenting what
is
possible. And I'll get all necessary written permissions and licenses
(probing).
I've had some training, read some books, done some of the work. Now it's
time
to put it to use. This will be a learning-by doing experience, I sure.
"Them's
that don't make mistakes are likely not doing anything" as someone once
said.
Church is over. Let the service begin!
Please join in the fun if you're in the Mongo IN area-
take care, all-
Bruce
R. Bruce Wheaton, rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:05:07 -0400
From: "Jennefer Burk" <burky1(a)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] INPCRP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <EJEFLIDOFOKIACCCNCLACEMMDAAA.burky1(a)embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Just a thought...as people who are interested in saving as many old
cemeteries
as possible...most of us have become painfully aware of the impossibility
of saving them all. So we do the best we can. Most of us, I would hope,
have received training from the pros, but are we sharing that training? If
community
committees are formed to oversee these projects,isn't it vitally important
for them to
offer training to the community at large to PREVENT disasters from happening
when
well-meaning property owners jump in to clean up a cemetery? Pulling it all
in and
trying to hold it against our heaving hearts, causes nothing but frustration
and seems
a wee bit self-serving. We are not all going to agree on every aspect of the
"right"
way of preserving a cemetery but we are all supporters of the important
basics. "Do no
harm" and "less is more"...and, our ultimate goals are the same. Scratches
are GOING to
happen. Breakage is GOING to happen. We do our best to prevent it but even
Archaeologists
deal with those possibilities, on a very high scale! Doing nothing is worse
because once
these historical artifacts are gone, they are gone forever. Not reaching out
to
volunteers and taking them under our wings to show them the "important
stuff", "puts off"
well meaning volunteers and they don't come back. (It is also
self-defeating!) I've run into
more than one who has shown up as a volunteer and is wandering around the
cemetery because
they don't know what to do or where to start. They feel "unwelcome" and like
outsiders. And
I know how they feel because I've been there. Try as we might, it is
impossible to control,
or oversee, every cemetery that needs help. Training the "masses" would go
far in preventing
the major mistakes we see everyday when a well-meaning person jumps in to do
what they think
is best. Putting a small group of people in charge does not mean appointing
"straw-bosses"
to come down on well-meaning people. It means putting the educated in a
position of educating.
It's going to save a lot more cemeteries than a handful of people, tightly
holding the reins,
will ever be able to do. And it's going to help us accomplish our real goal.
Saving these
valuable, historical memorials to our founding fathers and mothers. Time is
of the essence
and EVERYBODY needs to get on board!
Jennefer Burk
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:29:01 -0400
From: "LA Clugh" <laclugh(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] (no subject)
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <97E858383F604EC1BD3BD4983E37E4F0@lacPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Good for you Bruce.
I don't know if you've been through our workshops or not.
So I"m sharing our Step by Step link.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html
It is good to get permission signed before you start a project so they
know you might remove overgrowth or plant materials. There have
been misunderstandings in the past.
There are examples on the page. You can use the text if wish.
They probably need updated.
L.A.
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Bruce: Sounds great and good luck to you.
We started cemetery restoration of the Pioneer Cemeteries
here in Tipton County back in 2002.
There wasn't much interest at that time and we went before
the County Commissioners and others for support. We indicated
that we were only interested in reimbursement for our expenses
not our labor which we donated.
We went to the Tipton County Foundation later in the year and
received a $1000.00 grant payable the following spring. So,
we funded ourselves for that first year.
It took about 2-3 years for people to find out about our work
in the county. We also contacted the Township Trustees and
in the third year they were thankful for our services and refunded
all our expenses up to what they had budgeted. So, hang in there
and keep your work data known to the right people. We have free
items donated. What a change from the first year.
Again, good luck. E-mail me if you need any suggestions.
Joan Wray
Tipton County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration
Tipton, Indiana
On 11/5/2010 6:22 PM, tammy workman wrote:
> Yea for you. I live in illinois and they teach restoration here. I am trying
> to get information on property owners in perry county, indiana. Some of them
> are awful and my entire family is in several on private land.
> On Nov 5, 2010 4:26 PM, "Bruce Wheaton"<rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi L.A. and all-
>> Thanks for your notes and thoughts below. Yes, I've attended the basic
> and
>> advanced workshops in the Indy area with John, Mikki, Kelly,
> and all. Learned a
>> lot about technique, but more about doing no harm, error on the side of
> caution,
>> get permissions and licenses, and document, document, document. I'll
> connect
>> with the website link you've provide as well.
>>
>> The county trustee granted verbal permission based on phone conversations
> with
>> her, and submitting a letter requesting permission to begin restoring the
>> cemetery that outlined the work plan concept. I also sent my resume and
>> cemetery restoration work history.
>>
>>
>> I've reset and cleaned the gravestones in the cemetery that belong to my
> family
>> ancestors over the past several months, again with the trustee's
> permission.
>> Based on these steps, and given the seasonal weather change about to
> happen, she
>> granted verbal permission for a fall clean-up, with the restoration work
> request
>> going before the board in January.
>>
>> Tomorrow, I or we will be doing selective clearing of brush back to what
> is
>> believed to be the property lines. All work will be on the very
> conservative
>> side, intended to clear fallen branches, cut dead overhanging branches
> that pose
>> a safety risk, and selectively clear the cemetery only to the extent that
> we can
>> see what is there. This will prepare the site for restoration work in the
> spring
>> of 2011 (thinking positively!)
>>
>>
>> I intend to leave all indigenous plants and trees. Plants have been
>> photographed at the cemetery over the past 12 months, to record what is
> growing
>> there through the seasons. These photos will be part of the plant survey.
>>
>> I've talked to one adjoining property owner to get his take on where the
> common
>> property lines are, and have his support for the restoration work. I've
> made
>> attempts to contact the other property owner for the same reasons, plus
>> communicate the work intended with assurances of being a good neighbor. I
> will
>> try to catch him again tomorrow.
>>
>> I've invited the trustee to the site tomorrow as well, so that we can
> meet,
>> discuss her concerns on site, and have a better understanding of what is
>> possible. I've also invited interested community members to join in, or
> stop by
>> to find out more about the project. With the boards permission, I will do
> the
>> gravestone restoration work, but a lot more is possible if the community
> sees
>> the value of the cemetery and claims the restoration as it's own. A
> couple of
>> younger folks (ages 14& 21) have already expressed their interest in
> helping,
>> along with a local business, a member of the community development
>> association, and a rep from the historical association.
>>
>> All that said, yes there is still the possibility of misunderstandings.
> I'll
>> try to communicate what I've learned at the workshops about the need for
> the
>> restoration work& urgency of time. I'll listen to the concerns of the
> trustee
>> and community members, and try to resolve those issues with education,
> following
>> the models of other restored Indiana pioneer cemeteries, and presenting
> what is
>> possible. And I'll get all necessary written permissions and licenses
> (probing).
>> I've had some training, read some books, done some of the work. Now it's
> time
>> to put it to use. This will be a learning-by doing experience, I sure.
> "Them's
>> that don't make mistakes are likely not doing anything" as someone once
> said.
>> Church is over. Let the service begin!
>>
>> Please join in the fun if you're in the Mongo IN area-
>>
>> take care, all-
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> R. Bruce Wheaton, rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:05:07 -0400
>> From: "Jennefer Burk"<burky1(a)embarqmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] INPCRP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38
>> To:<inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Message-ID:<EJEFLIDOFOKIACCCNCLACEMMDAAA.burky1(a)embarqmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Just a thought...as people who are interested in saving as many old
>> cemeteries
>> as possible...most of us have become painfully aware of the impossibility
>> of saving them all. So we do the best we can. Most of us, I would hope,
>> have received training from the pros, but are we sharing that training? If
>> community
>> committees are formed to oversee these projects,isn't it vitally important
>> for them to
>> offer training to the community at large to PREVENT disasters from
> happening
>> when
>> well-meaning property owners jump in to clean up a cemetery? Pulling it
> all
>> in and
>> trying to hold it against our heaving hearts, causes nothing but
> frustration
>> and seems
>> a wee bit self-serving. We are not all going to agree on every aspect of
> the
>> "right"
>> way of preserving a cemetery but we are all supporters of the important
>> basics. "Do no
>> harm" and "less is more"...and, our ultimate goals are the same. Scratches
>> are GOING to
>> happen. Breakage is GOING to happen. We do our best to prevent it but even
>> Archaeologists
>> deal with those possibilities, on a very high scale! Doing nothing is
> worse
>> because once
>> these historical artifacts are gone, they are gone forever. Not reaching
> out
>> to
>> volunteers and taking them under our wings to show them the "important
>> stuff", "puts off"
>> well meaning volunteers and they don't come back. (It is also
>> self-defeating!) I've run into
>> more than one who has shown up as a volunteer and is wandering around the
>> cemetery because
>> they don't know what to do or where to start. They feel "unwelcome" and
> like
>> outsiders. And
>> I know how they feel because I've been there. Try as we might, it is
>> impossible to control,
>> or oversee, every cemetery that needs help. Training the "masses" would go
>> far in preventing
>> the major mistakes we see everyday when a well-meaning person jumps in to
> do
>> what they think
>> is best. Putting a small group of people in charge does not mean
> appointing
>> "straw-bosses"
>> to come down on well-meaning people. It means putting the educated in a
>> position of educating.
>> It's going to save a lot more cemeteries than a handful of people, tightly
>> holding the reins,
>> will ever be able to do. And it's going to help us accomplish our real
> goal.
>> Saving these
>> valuable, historical memorials to our founding fathers and mothers. Time
> is
>> of the essence
>> and EVERYBODY needs to get on board!
>> Jennefer Burk
>>
>>
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:29:01 -0400
>> From: "LA Clugh"<laclugh(a)comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] (no subject)
>> To:<inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Message-ID:<97E858383F604EC1BD3BD4983E37E4F0@lacPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Good for you Bruce.
>> I don't know if you've been through our workshops or not.
>> So I"m sharing our Step by Step link.
>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html
>>
>> It is good to get permission signed before you start a project so they
>> know you might remove overgrowth or plant materials. There have
>> been misunderstandings in the past.
>> There are examples on the page. You can use the text if wish.
>>
>> They probably need updated.
>> L.A.
>>
>>
>>
>> This list is for sharing ideas and restoration projects, questions and
> history topics reguarding pioneer cemeteries in the state of Indiana.
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>
>
Hi L.A. and all-
Thanks for your notes and thoughts below. Yes, I've attended the basic and
advanced workshops in the Indy area with John, Mikki, Kelly, and all. Learned a
lot about technique, but more about doing no harm, error on the side of caution,
get permissions and licenses, and document, document, document. I'll connect
with the website link you've provide as well.
The county trustee granted verbal permission based on phone conversations with
her, and submitting a letter requesting permission to begin restoring the
cemetery that outlined the work plan concept. I also sent my resume and
cemetery restoration work history.
I've reset and cleaned the gravestones in the cemetery that belong to my family
ancestors over the past several months, again with the trustee's permission.
Based on these steps, and given the seasonal weather change about to happen, she
granted verbal permission for a fall clean-up, with the restoration work request
going before the board in January.
Tomorrow, I or we will be doing selective clearing of brush back to what is
believed to be the property lines. All work will be on the very conservative
side, intended to clear fallen branches, cut dead overhanging branches that pose
a safety risk, and selectively clear the cemetery only to the extent that we can
see what is there. This will prepare the site for restoration work in the spring
of 2011 (thinking positively!)
I intend to leave all indigenous plants and trees. Plants have been
photographed at the cemetery over the past 12 months, to record what is growing
there through the seasons. These photos will be part of the plant survey.
I've talked to one adjoining property owner to get his take on where the common
property lines are, and have his support for the restoration work. I've made
attempts to contact the other property owner for the same reasons, plus
communicate the work intended with assurances of being a good neighbor. I will
try to catch him again tomorrow.
I've invited the trustee to the site tomorrow as well, so that we can meet,
discuss her concerns on site, and have a better understanding of what is
possible. I've also invited interested community members to join in, or stop by
to find out more about the project. With the boards permission, I will do the
gravestone restoration work, but a lot more is possible if the community sees
the value of the cemetery and claims the restoration as it's own. A couple of
younger folks (ages 14 & 21) have already expressed their interest in helping,
along with a local business, a member of the community development
association, and a rep from the historical association.
All that said, yes there is still the possibility of misunderstandings. I'll
try to communicate what I've learned at the workshops about the need for the
restoration work & urgency of time. I'll listen to the concerns of the trustee
and community members, and try to resolve those issues with education, following
the models of other restored Indiana pioneer cemeteries, and presenting what is
possible. And I'll get all necessary written permissions and licenses (probing).
I've had some training, read some books, done some of the work. Now it's time
to put it to use. This will be a learning-by doing experience, I sure. "Them's
that don't make mistakes are likely not doing anything" as someone once said.
Church is over. Let the service begin!
Please join in the fun if you're in the Mongo IN area-
take care, all-
Bruce
R. Bruce Wheaton, rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 10:05:07 -0400
From: "Jennefer Burk" <burky1(a)embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] INPCRP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
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Just a thought...as people who are interested in saving as many old
cemeteries
as possible...most of us have become painfully aware of the impossibility
of saving them all. So we do the best we can. Most of us, I would hope,
have received training from the pros, but are we sharing that training? If
community
committees are formed to oversee these projects,isn't it vitally important
for them to
offer training to the community at large to PREVENT disasters from happening
when
well-meaning property owners jump in to clean up a cemetery? Pulling it all
in and
trying to hold it against our heaving hearts, causes nothing but frustration
and seems
a wee bit self-serving. We are not all going to agree on every aspect of the
"right"
way of preserving a cemetery but we are all supporters of the important
basics. "Do no
harm" and "less is more"...and, our ultimate goals are the same. Scratches
are GOING to
happen. Breakage is GOING to happen. We do our best to prevent it but even
Archaeologists
deal with those possibilities, on a very high scale! Doing nothing is worse
because once
these historical artifacts are gone, they are gone forever. Not reaching out
to
volunteers and taking them under our wings to show them the "important
stuff", "puts off"
well meaning volunteers and they don't come back. (It is also
self-defeating!) I've run into
more than one who has shown up as a volunteer and is wandering around the
cemetery because
they don't know what to do or where to start. They feel "unwelcome" and like
outsiders. And
I know how they feel because I've been there. Try as we might, it is
impossible to control,
or oversee, every cemetery that needs help. Training the "masses" would go
far in preventing
the major mistakes we see everyday when a well-meaning person jumps in to do
what they think
is best. Putting a small group of people in charge does not mean appointing
"straw-bosses"
to come down on well-meaning people. It means putting the educated in a
position of educating.
It's going to save a lot more cemeteries than a handful of people, tightly
holding the reins,
will ever be able to do. And it's going to help us accomplish our real goal.
Saving these
valuable, historical memorials to our founding fathers and mothers. Time is
of the essence
and EVERYBODY needs to get on board!
Jennefer Burk
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:29:01 -0400
From: "LA Clugh" <laclugh(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] (no subject)
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <97E858383F604EC1BD3BD4983E37E4F0@lacPC>
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Good for you Bruce.
I don't know if you've been through our workshops or not.
So I"m sharing our Step by Step link.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html
It is good to get permission signed before you start a project so they
know you might remove overgrowth or plant materials. There have
been misunderstandings in the past.
There are examples on the page. You can use the text if wish.
They probably need updated.
L.A.
LETS GET OUR YOUTH INVOLVED....................
one example was ...years ago...when the Senior HS Class at Sullivan, IN
documented all the grave sites in Sullivan County..... I was able to find all
my relatives because my grandfather was gone and I could NOT even begin to
recall all the little and big places we used to visit.
their little books are in the genealogy collection here in ABQ NM
THERE ARE MANY THINGS ARE YOUTH CAN DO.........all our youth... even the
ones who have strayed
and need mentors in their life as well as structure and a purpose
its good to make people feel welcome and help pass the knowledge
Marilynn in NM
Just a thought...as people who are interested in saving as many old
cemeteries
as possible...most of us have become painfully aware of the impossibility
of saving them all. So we do the best we can. Most of us, I would hope,
have received training from the pros, but are we sharing that training? If
community
committees are formed to oversee these projects,isn't it vitally important
for them to
offer training to the community at large to PREVENT disasters from happening
when
well-meaning property owners jump in to clean up a cemetery? Pulling it all
in and
trying to hold it against our heaving hearts, causes nothing but frustration
and seems
a wee bit self-serving. We are not all going to agree on every aspect of the
"right"
way of preserving a cemetery but we are all supporters of the important
basics. "Do no
harm" and "less is more"...and, our ultimate goals are the same. Scratches
are GOING to
happen. Breakage is GOING to happen. We do our best to prevent it but even
Archaeologists
deal with those possiblilities, on a very high scale! Doing nothing is worse
because once
these historical artifacts are gone, they are gone forever. Not reaching out
to
volunteers and taking them under our wings to show them the "important
stuff", "puts off"
well meaning volunteers and they don't come back. (It is also
self-defeating!) I've run into
more than one who has shown up as a volunteer and is wandering around the
cemetery because
they don't know what to do or where to start. They feel "unwelcome" and like
outsiders. And
I know how they feel because I've been there. Try as we might, it is
impossible to control,
or oversee, every cemetery that needs help. Training the "masses" would go
far in preventing
the major mistakes we see everyday when a well-meaning person jumps in to do
what they think
is best. Putting a small group of people in charge does not mean appointing
"straw-bosses"
to come down on well-meaning people. It means putting the educated in a
position of educating.
It's going to save a lot more cemeteries than a handful of people, tightly
holding the reins,
will ever be able to do. And it's going to help us accomplish our real goal.
Saving these
valuable, historical memorials to our founding fathers and mothers. Time is
of the essence
and EVERYBODY needs to get on board!
Jennefer Burk
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Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:01 AM
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Subject: INPCRP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 38
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1. (no subject) (Bruce Wheaton)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 07:17:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Wheaton <rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [INPCRP] (no subject)
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Hi All-
I am beginning the restoration?of the old Mongo Cemetery, on the west edge
of
Mongo, LaGrange County IN, near the corner of N 750 E and E 280 N.? I have
verbal permission from the Township Trustee to do a fall clean-up, and will
be
at the cemetery this Saturday Nov 6th, to do selective clearing, picking up
fallen limbs, and trimming dead over-hangs.
If interested in joining the fun, please contact me at the information
listed
below.
Thanks-
R. Bruce Wheaton,? rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 10:29:01 -0400
From: "LA Clugh" <laclugh(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] (no subject)
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <97E858383F604EC1BD3BD4983E37E4F0@lacPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Good for you Bruce.
I don't know if you've been through our workshops or not.
So I"m sharing our Step by Step link.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html
It is good to get permission signed before you start a project so they
know you might remove overgrowth or plant materials. There have
been misunderstandings in the past.
There are examples on the page. You can use the text if wish.
They probably need updated.
L.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Wheaton" <rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] (no subject)
Hi All-
I am beginning the restoration of the old Mongo Cemetery, on the west edge
of
Mongo, LaGrange County IN, near the corner of N 750 E and E 280 N. I have
verbal permission from the Township Trustee to do a fall clean-up, and will
be
at the cemetery this Saturday Nov 6th, to do selective clearing, picking up
fallen limbs, and trimming dead over-hangs.
If interested in joining the fun, please contact me at the information
listed
below.
Thanks-
R. Bruce Wheaton, rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com
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Hi All-
I am beginning the restoration of the old Mongo Cemetery, on the west edge of
Mongo, LaGrange County IN, near the corner of N 750 E and E 280 N. I have
verbal permission from the Township Trustee to do a fall clean-up, and will be
at the cemetery this Saturday Nov 6th, to do selective clearing, picking up
fallen limbs, and trimming dead over-hangs.
If interested in joining the fun, please contact me at the information listed
below.
Thanks-
R. Bruce Wheaton, rbwheaton(a)yahoo.com
Monday, November 01, 2010
Children's Grave Located
_By Levi Hill_ (mip://03fb8be0/cgi-bin/email_reporter.pl?staff=no)
Hobbs News-Sun
HOBBS, N.M. — Hidden among the prairie grass and mesquite bushes a few
miles east of Jal, an old barbed-wire fence and wooden cross were the only
evidence that four nameless children lost their lives at that spot more than a
century ago.
On Oct. 25, 103 years after the children were laid to rest, the names and
faces almost lost to history have been returned to Violet, William, Newton
and Earl Sparks.
For their nephews, Jack and Frank Sparks, the story began on March 16,
1957.
According to the Sparks family's oral histories and research by local
historian David Minton, that was the day the four children's mother, Effie
Sparks, broke down crying and told a niece she had four children buried
somewhere in New Mexico or Texas but had no idea where.
The revelation set Effie's grandchildren, Frank and Jack, on a quest that
would take them more than 50 years.
"It means closure in a sense," said Jack Sparks, looking across the site
where his uncles and aunt were buried. "Our great hope is when we walk
through those pearly gates, those children are going to meet us there. If they
know what we did now, they are certainly rejoicing. In the hereafter we will
certainly be able to share the story."
The brothers, along with Frank's son, Joe Bill Sparks, and family members
Bobbie Sparks and Marc Bradberry placed a four-foot headstone to honor their
long-lost relatives.
Minton, who has placed headstones on unmarked graves across Lea County for
years, joined the family in cleaning up the site.
"To me, it is just a great thing that these children are no longer lost to
history," Minton said. "They have been found and remembered."
The search for his long-buried relatives drew Jack Sparks into the Lea
County Assessor's Office one day in 2008 in search of records on the homestead
his grandfather, James Monroe Sparks, claimed near Nadine in 1902.
It was perhaps fate that Sparks told one of the staff the story of the
Sparks family just as David Minton walked into the office. The words, "lost
graves" sparked Minton's curiosity and the two began to talk.
It came to Minton's mind — a Jal resident had told him years ago about an
unmarked grave east of the small town that was the final resting place of
four children who died of scarlet fever on their way to the doctor.
The story fit with what Spark's father, Cecil, had told him and a search
began.
"It was just so lucky I had walked in the door when he had said that,"
Minton said. "It never would have happened otherwise."
As the story goes, and as Minton writes it, it was 1907 and all six of the
Sparks children — Cecil, Violet, William, Newton, Earl and infant Eva Mae —
became ill with either diphtheria or scarlet fever.
The family loaded them into a wagon and started for Midland, Texas, the
closest and best medical help at the time. A rider was sent ahead to get
medicine and meet the family on the trail, but along the way four of the
children died.
They were buried, and the wagon, bedding and other items were burned to
prevent the spread of the disease.
James and Effie Sparks returned to Nadine with their surviving children,
Cecil and Eva Mae, where they lived until about 1915, when the family
returned to Coke County, Texas, along with two new children, Relia and Vera, who
had been born in Nadine.
Minton, with the help of Jal area ranchers who still remembered the story
passed down from their fathers, found the family grave.
It is unknown who put the barbed-wire fence or a more recent pipe-fence
around the site and the marker, a wooden cross tied with barbed-wire, was
also added by some unknown Samaritan.
Around the site, pieces of crockery and shards of glass bottles aged by
the sun until they have turned purple are still evident. A single nut and
bolt, possibly from the burned wagon, was found not far from the grave.
The headstone reads, "In memory of four children lost to scarlet fever in
1907 along this trail trying to get to a doctor."
On the other side are lyrics from a song Effie Sparks was believed to have
sung to her children as they lay dying — "Dear mother, put my little shoes
away."