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From: E. Joan Wray <tippyjo(a)ccrtc.com>
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2009 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] cemetery restoration etiquette
Chris: I would suggest you talk to the Township Trustee
concerning this. If this is not an inactive cemetery you
would want to talk to the cemetery board that governs
this cemetery. I find people are happy to talk to you about
helping these old cemeteries and they might give you
the go-ahead (Or not) on this.
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Tipton County Pioneer Cemetery Restoration
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----- Original Message -----
From: chrismeno(a)aol.com
To: INPCRP(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] cemetery restoration etiquette
Hello all,
I was at an old cemetery in Owen county recently where many of my ancestors
are buried, and was saddened to see how over-grown it has become in the past
year. In addition, there are now approx. 10 gravestones that are buried, flush
with the ground.
My questions are: Can I remove the brush (mostly tree seedlings, day lilies
and yucca-like plants) from gravestones that are not my ancestors, or is this
inappropriate? Can I dig out the buried stones and prop them up against other
stones (so that they don't continue to be mowed over and potentially become lost
forever), or would this violate laws or 'cemetery etiquette'?
thanks,
Chris
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To the List in General;
Does anyone have the cemeteries in "Their" counties and their numbers
printed on the Map of their county using Latitude and Longitude for the
locations..
Jack Briles
Floyd Co. In.
Maybe that's the "excuse" those idiots in southern Indiana had for
"stealing" a large gravestone from my family's plot, wiping it clean,
and re-engraving it with the correct info. :(
They were from Ohio.
Is there a group leading restoration efforts in Ohio, similar to this
group, that might benefit from some education?
Diana
Hello all,
I was at an old cemetery in Owen county recently where many of my ancestors are buried, and was saddened to see how over-grown it has become in the past year. In addition, there are now approx. 10 gravestones that are buried, flush with the ground.
My questions are: Can I remove the brush (mostly tree seedlings, day lilies and yucca-like plants) from gravestones that are not my ancestors, or is this inappropriate? Can I dig out the buried stones and prop them up against other stones (so that they don't continue to be mowed over and potentially become lost forever), or would this violate laws or 'cemetery etiquette'?
thanks,
Chris
At Find A Grave found one picture among 8 that really shows how torn up this
cemetery was and has names. Listed under Millsboro cemetery Ohio. Copy &
paste
<http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=2262458&GRid=2706637
4&<
-----Original Message-----
From: inpcrp-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inpcrp-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of L.A. Clugh
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:03 AM
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Ohio Cemetery headstone story
Well its for sure we will not run out of folks who love to
destroy our cemeteries.
More reason to recruit digital photography volunteers.
Just makes ya sick.
la
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kreps" <mjkreps(a)gmail.com>
To: "inpcrp" <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Ohio Cemetery headstone story
Ohio Cemetery dislocated and restoration efforts go against Indiana's
preservation methods. A rather horrific story. In Delaware Co.
Indiana we have a cemetery that someone has removed all the markers,
save one, and moved them across the street to "safe" location. It is
called the old Reece Cemetery.
SAR report:
>Something troubling has come to my attention. All of the
>headstones in the Nave Cemetery also known as the Millsboro
>Cemetery were purposefully removed by order of the trustees
>INCLUDING THE HEADSTONE OF A REVOLUTIONARY WAR PATRIOT.
>
>Read the story in the Mansfield News Journal at this link:
>http://tinyurl.com/q2d33e
I believe there is a SAR marker
>in that photo with the article.
>
>Ohio compatriots, to arms!
Yours in Patriotism,
Philip G Wright, #169470 State #8998
Brevard Chapter, FLSSAR
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Ohio Cemetery dislocated and restoration efforts go against Indiana's
preservation methods. A rather horrific story. In Delaware Co.
Indiana we have a cemetery that someone has removed all the markers,
save one, and moved them across the street to "safe" location. It is
called the old Reece Cemetery.
SAR report:
>Something troubling has come to my attention. All of the
>headstones in the Nave Cemetery also known as the Millsboro
>Cemetery were purposefully removed by order of the trustees
>INCLUDING THE HEADSTONE OF A REVOLUTIONARY WAR PATRIOT.
>
>Read the story in the Mansfield News Journal at this link:
>http://tinyurl.com/q2d33e
I believe there is a SAR marker
>in that photo with the article.
>
>Ohio compatriots, to arms!
Yours in Patriotism,
Philip G Wright, #169470 State #8998
Brevard Chapter, FLSSAR
Were the records that were destroyed from a library? Sometimes other
branches of libraries in the same county have the duplicate records. Also,
there could be a copy at The Filson Club in Louisville. I know in Indiana,
I've seen actual readings of cemeterys from earlier years, and then those are
copied and available at different libraries.
Where is this cemetery?
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Centennial Wireless.
-----Original Message-----
From: inpcrp-request(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:00:31
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: INPCRP Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38
Today's Topics:
1. Cemetery Situation ... (Shelly Burbank)
2. Propagating "escaped" plantings (Brian Capouch)
3. Re: Cemetery Situation ... (L.A. Clugh)
4. Re: Cemetery Situation ... (Adhough1(a)aol.com)
5. Re: Cemetery Situation ... (Shelly Burbank)
6. Re: Cemetery Situation ... (Shelly Burbank)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:14:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shelly Burbank <borntobounce518(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
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I have a question ... not sure it's appropriate for this group and if it's not, I do apologize.
There is a cemetery in northwest Indiana that is considered a historical cemetery. I was there this past weekend and it's in terrible condition. I have heard stories in the past about the woman who owns and manages the cemetery. Anyway ... I was there to get some specific photos of graves but decided I had plenty of space on my memory card so I started snapping photos to post on Findagrave.com as many of them are not in good condition so I'd like to preserve them in photographs. While wandering around I noticed some things in a fenced in area in the back of the cemetery so I looked. There is a wall of stone that upon closer inspection are tombstones! I even have a photograph of one that clearly marks the name and date of birth and death. In the past she has told me "burials may have had a stone at one time but we had a tornado go through here and it moved a lot of the stones and we can't possibly figure out where every one of them belongs." My
thoughts were ... what's wrong with your cemetery records?? But I didn't say anything. I'm not real big on cemeteries removing stones from graves that are over 100 years old and reselling the plots ... I'm terrified that is just what this woman is doing. My gg grandparents are in this cemetery along with many other family members ... some without head stones. My gg grandparents will be buried 100 years in 1915 and 1918. Last I heard she wanted $20 per month per stone for perpetual care.
So I guess what I'm getting at is this ... is it legal for her to have these stones piled in a dumping area? Isn't it her responsibility to find where these stones belong? And is it legal for stones that are not 100 years old or more to be removed? I have no problem contacting local media but I remember years ago when I was the editor of the local historical society newsletter that there wasn't much that could be done and the society was very frustrated with her as they had wanted to purchase the cemetery.
Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. I have photos and can post them or e-mail them to anyone interested.
Shelly
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:57:57 -0400
From: Brian Capouch <brianc(a)palaver.net>
Subject: [INPCRP] Propagating "escaped" plantings
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <4A79C825.5010602(a)palaver.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I have an assumed answer for this question, but I am well aware of the
old aphorism about assuming things.
I work in several cemeteries that are regularly mowed, but otherwise not
cared for. I am trying to raise consciousness about the need for
regular maintenance, and also the need for citizens to invest resources
in rehabilitating burial yards that have been neglected.
One thing that struck me as a good way to raise awareness and hopefully
also raise some dollars, would be to carefully remove some of the
ornamental planted stock that has escaped into the cemetery yard,
propagate it into started plants, and then sell those plants to the public.
As an e.g. in one graveyard I'm working on there are poppies all over
the place. They push up and flower, but are promptly mowed off again.
They are all over.
In another there are some everlasting succulents all over the place.
And then there's the cactus, which I'm told is virtually always
introduced, never native. That's the only place around it can be found,
and it is ubiquitous in all the yards I visit.
Is this considered kosher? Does anyone out there know of anyone else
who has done it?
Thanks.
b.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:49:14 -0400
From: "L.A. Clugh" <LAClugh(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Message-ID: <BA4F37A5B8204AAD86B01392593F6480@LA>
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Shelly,
It might be good if you could network the area on this lady. If she is a
Trustee,
she needs to be educated. Perhaps the local societies can help the cause too.
When all else fails, try the local newspaper.
We all have stories like this one.
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelly Burbank" <borntobounce518(a)yahoo.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
>I have a question ... not sure it's appropriate for this group and if it's not,
>I do apologize.
>
> There is a cemetery in northwest Indiana that is considered a historical
> cemetery. I was there this past weekend and it's in terrible condition. I
> have heard stories in the past about the woman who owns and manages the
> cemetery. Anyway ... I was there to get some specific photos of graves but
> decided I had plenty of space on my memory card so I started snapping photos to
> post on Findagrave.com as many of them are not in good condition so I'd like to
> preserve them in photographs. While wandering around I noticed some things in
> a fenced in area in the back of the cemetery so I looked. There is a wall of
> stone that upon closer inspection are tombstones! I even have a photograph of
> one that clearly marks the name and date of birth and death. In the past she
> has told me "burials may have had a stone at one time but we had a tornado go
> through here and it moved a lot of the stones and we can't possibly figure out
> where every one of them belongs." My
> thoughts were ... what's wrong with your cemetery records?? But I didn't say
> anything. I'm not real big on cemeteries removing stones from graves that are
> over 100 years old and reselling the plots ... I'm terrified that is just what
> this woman is doing. My gg grandparents are in this cemetery along with many
> other family members ... some without head stones. My gg grandparents will be
> buried 100 years in 1915 and 1918. Last I heard she wanted $20 per month per
> stone for perpetual care.
>
> So I guess what I'm getting at is this ... is it legal for her to have these
> stones piled in a dumping area? Isn't it her responsibility to find where
> these stones belong? And is it legal for stones that are not 100 years old or
> more to be removed? I have no problem contacting local media but I remember
> years ago when I was the editor of the local historical society newsletter that
> there wasn't much that could be done and the society was very frustrated with
> her as they had wanted to purchase the cemetery.
>
> Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. I have photos and can post them
> or e-mail them to anyone interested.
>
> Shelly
>
>
>
>
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:07:38 EDT
From: Adhough1(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <c5b.4c7bc9d7.37ab6aba(a)aol.com>
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Shelly,
Can you tell us the name of the cemetery and the county?
Thanks,
Amy
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:03:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shelly Burbank <borntobounce518(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <320631.14256.qm(a)web43415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Thanks ... I'll do what I can. It's been some time since I lived in that area so I am going to make contact with folks again and see if there has been any follow-ups to complaints made years ago, etc.
Shelly
________________________________
From: L.A. Clugh <LAClugh(a)comcast.net>
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:49:14 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
Shelly,
It might be good if you could network the area on this lady. If she is a
Trustee,
she needs to be educated. Perhaps the local societies can help the cause too.
When all else fails, try the local newspaper.
We all have stories like this one.
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelly Burbank" <borntobounce518(a)yahoo.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
>I have a question ... not sure it's appropriate for this group and if it's not,
>I do apologize.
>
> There is a cemetery in northwest Indiana that is considered a historical
> cemetery. I was there this past weekend and it's in terrible condition. I
> have heard stories in the past about the woman who owns and manages the
> cemetery. Anyway ... I was there to get some specific photos of graves but
> decided I had plenty of space on my memory card so I started snapping photos to
> post on Findagrave.com as many of them are not in good condition so I'd like to
> preserve them in photographs. While wandering around I noticed some things in
> a fenced in area in the back of the cemetery so I looked. There is a wall of
> stone that upon closer inspection are tombstones! I even have a photograph of
> one that clearly marks the name and date of birth and death. In the past she
> has told me "burials may have had a stone at one time but we had a tornado go
> through here and it moved a lot of the stones and we can't possibly figure out
> where every one of them belongs." My
> thoughts were ... what's wrong with your cemetery records?? But I didn't say
> anything. I'm not real big on cemeteries removing stones from graves that are
> over 100 years old and reselling the plots ... I'm terrified that is just what
> this woman is doing. My gg grandparents are in this cemetery along with many
> other family members ... some without head stones. My gg grandparents will be
> buried 100 years in 1915 and 1918. Last I heard she wanted $20 per month per
> stone for perpetual care.
>
> So I guess what I'm getting at is this ... is it legal for her to have these
> stones piled in a dumping area? Isn't it her responsibility to find where
> these stones belong? And is it legal for stones that are not 100 years old or
> more to be removed? I have no problem contacting local media but I remember
> years ago when I was the editor of the local historical society newsletter that
> there wasn't much that could be done and the society was very frustrated with
> her as they had wanted to purchase the cemetery.
>
> Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. I have photos and can post them
> or e-mail them to anyone interested.
>
> Shelly
>
>
>
>
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shelly Burbank <borntobounce518(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <997186.4421.qm(a)web43411.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Oak Hill Cemetery, Lake County (there are two Oak Hill Cemeteries in Lake County ... one is Gary Oak Hill and the other is Hammond ... it's the Hammond one I'm talking about)
________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 7:07:38 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
Shelly,
Can you tell us the name of the cemetery and the county?
Thanks,
Amy
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Please accept my apologies the cemetery I am writing about is in Kentucky not Indiana. I am hoping to enlist suggestions from the group though.
I am currently working on attempting to rebuild the records of a cemetery. I am using what records survived a devastating fire. The cemetery itself. I am also using what genealogical records exist for this cemetery.
So far things are going smoothly and it appears I might be fairly successful rebuilding the records. I guess what I am looking for is suggestions on attempting to find the names of the individuals whose stones are so degraded that they are useless in providing any information. There are also several where there are no stones or they were broken.
Any guidance or suggestions are welcome.
Bob
Shelly,
It might be good if you could network the area on this lady. If she is a
Trustee,
she needs to be educated. Perhaps the local societies can help the cause too.
When all else fails, try the local newspaper.
We all have stories like this one.
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelly Burbank" <borntobounce518(a)yahoo.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery Situation ...
>I have a question ... not sure it's appropriate for this group and if it's not,
>I do apologize.
>
> There is a cemetery in northwest Indiana that is considered a historical
> cemetery. I was there this past weekend and it's in terrible condition. I
> have heard stories in the past about the woman who owns and manages the
> cemetery. Anyway ... I was there to get some specific photos of graves but
> decided I had plenty of space on my memory card so I started snapping photos to
> post on Findagrave.com as many of them are not in good condition so I'd like to
> preserve them in photographs. While wandering around I noticed some things in
> a fenced in area in the back of the cemetery so I looked. There is a wall of
> stone that upon closer inspection are tombstones! I even have a photograph of
> one that clearly marks the name and date of birth and death. In the past she
> has told me "burials may have had a stone at one time but we had a tornado go
> through here and it moved a lot of the stones and we can't possibly figure out
> where every one of them belongs." My
> thoughts were ... what's wrong with your cemetery records?? But I didn't say
> anything. I'm not real big on cemeteries removing stones from graves that are
> over 100 years old and reselling the plots ... I'm terrified that is just what
> this woman is doing. My gg grandparents are in this cemetery along with many
> other family members ... some without head stones. My gg grandparents will be
> buried 100 years in 1915 and 1918. Last I heard she wanted $20 per month per
> stone for perpetual care.
>
> So I guess what I'm getting at is this ... is it legal for her to have these
> stones piled in a dumping area? Isn't it her responsibility to find where
> these stones belong? And is it legal for stones that are not 100 years old or
> more to be removed? I have no problem contacting local media but I remember
> years ago when I was the editor of the local historical society newsletter that
> there wasn't much that could be done and the society was very frustrated with
> her as they had wanted to purchase the cemetery.
>
> Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. I have photos and can post them
> or e-mail them to anyone interested.
>
> Shelly
>
>
>
>
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> INPCRP-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message
I have an assumed answer for this question, but I am well aware of the
old aphorism about assuming things.
I work in several cemeteries that are regularly mowed, but otherwise not
cared for. I am trying to raise consciousness about the need for
regular maintenance, and also the need for citizens to invest resources
in rehabilitating burial yards that have been neglected.
One thing that struck me as a good way to raise awareness and hopefully
also raise some dollars, would be to carefully remove some of the
ornamental planted stock that has escaped into the cemetery yard,
propagate it into started plants, and then sell those plants to the public.
As an e.g. in one graveyard I'm working on there are poppies all over
the place. They push up and flower, but are promptly mowed off again.
They are all over.
In another there are some everlasting succulents all over the place.
And then there's the cactus, which I'm told is virtually always
introduced, never native. That's the only place around it can be found,
and it is ubiquitous in all the yards I visit.
Is this considered kosher? Does anyone out there know of anyone else
who has done it?
Thanks.
b.
I have a question ... not sure it's appropriate for this group and if it's not, I do apologize.
There is a cemetery in northwest Indiana that is considered a historical cemetery. I was there this past weekend and it's in terrible condition. I have heard stories in the past about the woman who owns and manages the cemetery. Anyway ... I was there to get some specific photos of graves but decided I had plenty of space on my memory card so I started snapping photos to post on Findagrave.com as many of them are not in good condition so I'd like to preserve them in photographs. While wandering around I noticed some things in a fenced in area in the back of the cemetery so I looked. There is a wall of stone that upon closer inspection are tombstones! I even have a photograph of one that clearly marks the name and date of birth and death. In the past she has told me "burials may have had a stone at one time but we had a tornado go through here and it moved a lot of the stones and we can't possibly figure out where every one of them belongs." My
thoughts were ... what's wrong with your cemetery records?? But I didn't say anything. I'm not real big on cemeteries removing stones from graves that are over 100 years old and reselling the plots ... I'm terrified that is just what this woman is doing. My gg grandparents are in this cemetery along with many other family members ... some without head stones. My gg grandparents will be buried 100 years in 1915 and 1918. Last I heard she wanted $20 per month per stone for perpetual care.
So I guess what I'm getting at is this ... is it legal for her to have these stones piled in a dumping area? Isn't it her responsibility to find where these stones belong? And is it legal for stones that are not 100 years old or more to be removed? I have no problem contacting local media but I remember years ago when I was the editor of the local historical society newsletter that there wasn't much that could be done and the society was very frustrated with her as they had wanted to purchase the cemetery.
Any thoughts would be very much appreciated. I have photos and can post them or e-mail them to anyone interested.
Shelly