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Your claim was that this was "another INPCRP success story."
INPCRP did nothing.
Brian
On 9/20/07, KidClerk(a)aol.com <KidClerk(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, Brian, you are correct. I proudly served my county for ten years
> in
> elected office. But that has nothing to do with the discussions on this
> board. I don't believe I took any credit for what was done, but only
> pointed out
> that, while the INPCRP does not actively participate in such projects,
> many
> of the subscribers to this list have become involved in
> such projects. It
> would appear to me that some of Cathi's success was due to the fine
> people on
> this board who were willing to help her. Were you one of them?
>
> Brian, I'm not sure what your beef is, but it is apparent you are only
> here
> to stir up trouble. We've had the likes of you before, and I'm sure there
> will be others that follow you. But until you can show me what you
> are doing to
> protect and restore our state's pioneer cemeteries, I suggest you keep
> your
> negative remarks to yourself. There are plenty of news articles in the
> archives, both the INPCRP and mine, that show what I've been doing over
> the last
> 10+ years. There are dozens of other subscribers on here who are doing
> even
> more and also find your comments offensive.
>
> When you're prepared to offer civilized and productive comments,
> you'll find
> a wealth of information from the great people on this
> list. Something tells
> me, though, you're really not interested in that.
>
> Kyle D. Conrad
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/20/2007 4:34:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> briankelsey3(a)gmail.com writes:
>
> Kyle, You must be a politician. Only a politician would take credit for
> the
> work someone else did.
>
> INPCRP is not responsible for this. Cathi is. Good work Cathi!
>
> Like I said before, SOME individuals are doing something but the INPCRP
> is
> nothing more than a 'conversation club.'
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
> http://www.aol.com
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> INPCRP-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
I bet a lot of people would restore that many if they were getting paid like
you do.
Brian
On 9/20/07, md9105(a)rogerscomputers.net <md9105(a)rogerscomputers.net> wrote:
>
> Brian,
> I personally know Kyle Conrad and know of his efforts in many cemeteries
> in
> his area. I can vouch for him not being a politician, only a dedicated
> volunteer to improving the lot of cemeteries in general.
> Also,since I am on this conversation club,(and just sitting around
> watching
> stones fall down in cemeteries), I thought I would add that somehow 1,800
> stones have been restored this year so far by this large amount of
> conversation. In fact, I have probably restored more stones this WEEK than
> you have in all of your life. So either get on board with the efforts or
> quit the whining. I needed to renew my membership to the INPCRP
> conversation club this week and feel that this message has taken care of
> that.
>
>
> Mark Davis
> Stone Saver Cemetery Restoration
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Brian Kelsey briankelsey3(a)gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:33:57 -0400
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Mount Hope Cemetery
>
>
> Kyle, You must be a politician. Only a politician would take credit for
> the
> work someone else did.
>
> INPCRP is not responsible for this. Cathi is. Good work Cathi!
>
> Like I said before, SOME individuals are doing something but the INPCRP is
> nothing more than a 'conversation club.'
>
> Brian
>
> On
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web
>
>
>
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
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>
Brian,
I personally know Kyle Conrad and know of his efforts in many cemeteries in
his area. I can vouch for him not being a politician, only a dedicated
volunteer to improving the lot of cemeteries in general.
Also,since I am on this conversation club,(and just sitting around watching
stones fall down in cemeteries), I thought I would add that somehow 1,800
stones have been restored this year so far by this large amount of
conversation. In fact, I have probably restored more stones this WEEK than
you have in all of your life. So either get on board with the efforts or
quit the whining. I needed to renew my membership to the INPCRP
conversation club this week and feel that this message has taken care of
that.
Mark Davis
Stone Saver Cemetery Restoration
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Brian Kelsey briankelsey3(a)gmail.com
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:33:57 -0400
To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Mount Hope Cemetery
Kyle, You must be a politician. Only a politician would take credit for the
work someone else did.
INPCRP is not responsible for this. Cathi is. Good work Cathi!
Like I said before, SOME individuals are doing something but the INPCRP is
nothing more than a 'conversation club.'
Brian
On
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Well, Brian, you are correct. I proudly served my county for ten years in
elected office. But that has nothing to do with the discussions on this
board. I don't believe I took any credit for what was done, but only pointed out
that, while the INPCRP does not actively participate in such projects, many
of the subscribers to this list have become involved in such projects. It
would appear to me that some of Cathi's success was due to the fine people on
this board who were willing to help her. Were you one of them?
Brian, I'm not sure what your beef is, but it is apparent you are only here
to stir up trouble. We've had the likes of you before, and I'm sure there
will be others that follow you. But until you can show me what you are doing to
protect and restore our state's pioneer cemeteries, I suggest you keep your
negative remarks to yourself. There are plenty of news articles in the
archives, both the INPCRP and mine, that show what I've been doing over the last
10+ years. There are dozens of other subscribers on here who are doing even
more and also find your comments offensive.
When you're prepared to offer civilized and productive comments, you'll find
a wealth of information from the great people on this list. Something tells
me, though, you're really not interested in that.
Kyle D. Conrad
In a message dated 9/20/2007 4:34:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
briankelsey3(a)gmail.com writes:
Kyle, You must be a politician. Only a politician would take credit for the
work someone else did.
INPCRP is not responsible for this. Cathi is. Good work Cathi!
Like I said before, SOME individuals are doing something but the INPCRP is
nothing more than a 'conversation club.'
Brian
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Kyle, You must be a politician. Only a politician would take credit for the
work someone else did.
INPCRP is not responsible for this. Cathi is. Good work Cathi!
Like I said before, SOME individuals are doing something but the INPCRP is
nothing more than a 'conversation club.'
Brian
On 9/9/07, KidClerk(a)aol.com <KidClerk(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> For any naysayers lurking out there...mark this down as ANOTHER INPCRP
> success story...
>
> Congratulations Cathi on your progress.
>
> I am doubtful that I will be able to make the trip to help, but please
> post
> the finalized plans when they're decided upon just in case.
>
> Kyle
>
> In a message dated 9/8/2007 10:07:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> ohiobuck(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Everyone,
>
> Sorry I could not join those who attended the workshop today. LA has
> sent
> me an email tonight stating some of you told her you were waiting on me
> to set
> up work days. Well, that is exactly what I am attempting to do. But
> first,
> let me say something.
>
> A HUGE THANK YOU to everyone who has responded to my previous email. I
> cannot thank you enough for all of the wonderful suggestions and offers
> of help.
> It has taken me by surprise. I am still digesting all of the wonderful
> ideas to make this thing grow. You are all a great inspiration with all
> of the
> work you do in your respective counties as well as a wonderful support
> mechanism. I am greatful to LA for telling me about this group as well
> as
> everything else she has done. Wow! Do you all realize how fortunate we
> are to have
> such a great group of people, a mailing list that is quite active as well
> as
> the number of people giving so many hours to keep our local and state
> histories alive? I have attended the AGS conference the last 2 years
> and some of
> those people know about the workshops that Walt, the IHS and DNR
> put on. They
> ask me if I know how lucky I am to be in Indiana with all of this
> activity.
> Yes, I reply, I do and I am greatful for it. So, you see, there
> are some jealous folks out there.
>
> Now, I would like to give a heads up as to what is happening at
> Mount Hope.
> There is a flurry of activity and my head is still spinning. LA, some
> time
> ago, recommended I visit the Rossville Presbyterian Church, which I did,
> and
> I spoke to the secretary. She then contacted the local high school
> agriculture teacher who has been a God send. Back in April, I talked to
> him about the
> trees growing in the cemetery and that most of them needed to come down.
> When I spoke to him yesterday, he informed me that there are a few
> families who
> are willing to take down the trees. So, I am presently attempting to get
> things lined up with them to get them down, or as many as we can, by the
> end of
> this month. The trees along the fence on the east side of the cemetery
> will
> have to be toppled over into the farm field. But the farmer is alright
> with
> this as long as we wait for him to get the beans out of the field. Isn't
> this something? This teacher has gone miles above the call of
> duty and he didn't even know me before I visited the Rossville
> Presbyterian
> Church! So, tentatively, I am looking at either the first two Saturdays
> in
> October for workdays or the 2nd and 3rd Saturdays. If you folks would
> pencil
> one of those Saturdays on your calendars and let me know which one you
> prefer, that would be great. I have to coordinate the cemetery work
> around my
> grandchildrens' activities. I am sure you understand that statement.
>
> Anyway, let me tell you about the cemetery and the surroundings. The
> cemetery does not have an access road. It is surrounded by farm land on
> the west,
> south and east sides. The church/school building is long gone. It is 7
> miles north of Frankfort and 2 miles south of Rossville. There are no
> bathrooms,
> running water or electricity. Rossville does not have a town restroom
> and
> the one at the gas station does not have a light in it (at least it
> didn't the
> last time I tried to use it). So the usable restrooms are in two
> restaurants. It is on a slope and when it rains a good amount, one can
> get stuck in
> the mud. Trust me - I have gotten stuck twice so far. We could
> either have a
> cookout at the cemetery or go into Rossville for lunch. Please let me
> know
> your preference.
>
> The location of the cemetery is approximately 2 - 3 miles east of SR 39
> off
> 700 N. If is on the south side of the road. There is no sign. The
> speed
> limit is 40 mph on 700 N and it can feel like a roller coaster ride, but
> it is
> a typical country road.
>
> Well, that is all I have for now. I will keep you posted. Once again,
> THANK YOU for the support, ideas, and labor offers. Oh, by the way, I
> don't
> live in Ohio. I am a native Buckeye but presently live in
> Plainfield, IN.
>
> Cathi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
> http://www.aol.com
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> INPCRP-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
I opened my email this morning and was appalled at the discussion. I felt so good about the willingness of others to help me with this project, but it looks as though it has turned into a shouting match.
Although this is the cemetery I am restoring, I do consider this another INPCRP success story. Why? Because LA has contributed so much to this effort and because of the responses from this group to my email. Does it matter that not everyone repairs a stone or, if they do, how many they repair in a year's time? Not to me, as long as they don't damage a cemetery. If they aren't able to do the work or don't wish to, there are many ways in which a person can assist with this effort. Word of mouth and fund raising to mention a couple. Teaching their children and grandchildren to respect a cemetery is another effort. These cemeteries are wonderful places to talk about art and history. Getting the area schools to become interested in them to teach these lessons would be another invaluable way of "restoring" a cemetery.
I would like everyone to think twice about the emails put out there so there is none of this bantering. There will be disagreements from time to time, but like my father always said, if you shout at the other person and don't listen to what he has to say, you may be missing some valuable information.
Ok, enough of that. Onto an update on the effort at Mount Hope. I have received a phone call from one of the young men coming out to take out the trees. They will be doing that October 6th so we won't be doing that as a work day. Possibly the 2nd and 3rd Saturdays in October would be good for work days. However, I must check my grandson's Cub Scout Pack schedule as they have some activities lined up. Since he lives with me, I feel the need to let him participate in as many of those as possible. So I will check his schedule tonight when I arrive home and will let you all know.
Once again, thank you to all who have offered to help and/or sent me information. And by the way, I would enjoy getting together some time and meeting a number of you. It is always good to put faces with names.
Cathi
Ok, I don't usually reply to this kind of conversation, we have all seen
this stuff before, and they always fade away into oblivion....but, I'm
just tired and grumpy and far enough away from home to feel the need to
poke my stick in the pot and stir a little. The folks at INPCRP have been
my link to home for so long, they are always the first posts I look for on
my email. Some days just knowing that others are out there pushing for
the same goals I am is what keeps me going out there day after day. As
for Kyle and his responses, they are always professional in nature, and
sometimes good for a laugh or two, which is just what we need some days.
There have been several people in my life that I would call good friends,
and Kyle is one of them. Through the years I have formed strong bonds
with many on the INPCRP, and value their opinions and comments. At this
point in time, Brian Kelsy has not made the list.
Helen Wildermuth
Stonehugger Cemetery Restoration
> Kyle, You must be a politician. Only a politician would take credit for
> the work someone else did.
>
> INPCRP is not responsible for this. Cathi is. Good work Cathi!
>
> Like I said before, SOME individuals are doing something but the INPCRP
> is nothing more than a 'conversation club.'
>
> Brian
>
>
To those who attended the advanced cemetery workshop on Sept. 8,
I recently received word from Jeff Clem of American Locating, who was supposed to demonstrate how to located unmarked graves. He was involved in a serious auto accident on Friday, Sept. 7, around 6 p.m. Someone from his office was supposed to have contacted me on his behalf to inform me of Jeff's situation and that he would not be able to attend the workshop. Jeff sends his apologies for the lack of communication and commented, "I was honored by the invite and would be pleased to be included next time around. Please forward my apology for my absence to all who were in attendance of the workshop."
Katherine
Katherine Dill
Coordinator, Local History Services
Indiana Historical Society
450 W. Ohio St.
Indianapolis, IN 46202
317-233-8913
kdill(a)indianahistory.org
It is a nice article to read, where a bunch of people come together,
work together, and achieve success. This is the inspiration that others
will get, so that future cemeteries have a chance. I liked the theme of
history woven into it, too.
Lee Creed
>From today's Muncie Star-Press.
Kyle
Macedonia Cemetery gets a face-lift
By EMMA BOWEN MEYER
For The Star Press
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President of the Indiana Department of Daughter's of Union Civil War
Veterans walks toward the gravestone of Civil War veteran Elijah Bell escorted by
Army reservist Robert Nunez (left) and retired Air Force reservist Jay Carter
(right) during the rededication ceremony of the Macedonia Cemetery.
If your family has lived in the Cowan area for awhile, you should drive by
the newly restored Macedonia Cemetery.
You might find your family name engraved in some of the headstones.That's
what happened to Gene Shockley. He went to the cemetery simply because Rea
Reeder asked him to pitch in and help restore it. He was shocked to see the
Shockley name on not one, but seven tombstones.
He scribbled the names in his little black book and couldn't wait to get home
to compare the names with his extensive genealogy records. He found all
seven names in his family tree.
"As many years as I've driven up and down Macedonia Pike and walked by there
when I was a kid -- it's only a mile from our house to the cemetery,"
Shockley said. "It just shocked me that nobody knew they were there."
Even Shockley's 98-year-old mother, Louise, was surprised by the discovery.
All the other Shockleys are buried at Tomlinson Cemetery.
The family members found were James and Mary Shockley; James and Nancy
Shockley; James and Nancy Ellen (Reynolds) Shockley; and their son, Commadore
Perry Shockley. Gene admits that namesakes make for confusing genealogies.
He regrettably does not know much more about the lives of those buried in
Macedonia othern than their names. History tells that Macedonia was a small
village in the southeast part of Monroe Township. In 1850 the population of the
entire township was only 720.
Delaware County History, dating 1881 (20 years after the creation of the
cemetery), stated that Mr. William Suit was the proprietor of the general store
and Mr. Gross was the village blacksmith.
Although Shockley doesn't know what brought his ancestors to Macedonia
village, he does know that his family's ownership of so much land in Cowan is
actually due to the purchase of land in North Dakota.
Gene's grandfather, William A. Shockley, went to North Dakota at a time when
land could be purchased as a homestead for $2-3 an acre. He bought 900 acres
and farmed wheat. North Dakota is where Gene was born.
His family returned to Cowan to care for his sick grandfather and eventually
all the land in North Dakota was sold to pay off the farmland in Cowan. The
result was that Gene and his six siblings ended up with one 80-acre farm each.
The descendants from his mother and father, Edmond and Louise, are 135
people.
"There was a Shockley in Cowan schools continuously from 1912 until three or
four years ago," he said.
Macedonia Cemetery sits on the corner of County Road 700-S and 200-E, and the
burial dates range from 1849 to 1909. Two of the deceased, Elijah Bell and
John W. Snider, were Union soldiers in the Civil War.
Most of the tombstones, having been made from sandstone, were so weather-worn
that they were difficult to read. Some had sunken so far underground that
only a metal probe could find them.
Shockley highly commended the small group of workers that restored the
cemetery.
"The state mandates that the Township take care of these cemeteries but
doesn't give any money to do it," he said. "Nicki Johnson (township trustee)
scrounges around and gets donations and volunteers and has done a great job."
The rededication ceremony of the pioneer cemetery was Saturday, complete with
music provided by the Cowan band. They played patriotic music and some
pieces by Josh Groban.
As Barbara Stone, president of the Indiana Department of Daughters of the
Union Civil War Veterans, escorted by Fred Jay Carter, U.S. Military Veteran,
laid wreaths on the graves of the Civil War Soldiers and the band played "The
Battle Hymn of the Republic." The Delaware County Veterans Honor Guard
presented the colors and the prayer was led by Rev. Jim Ballenger from Harris Chapel
Church of the Nazarene.
A few words were delivered by Mark Kreps (a member of the Cemetery
Preservation Committee), Rea Reeder, Nicki Johnson, Jim Lee (the president of the
Delaware County Historical Society) and Gene Shockley.
"Today is the celebration of re-dedicating Macedonia Cemetery. The early
settlers that rest here built our schools, churches and community," Johnson
said. "They deserve to have their historical grave sites preserved. Once we get
the cemeteries restored we need to maintain and keep the repairs up."
Next summer the township is planning to restore Fairview Cemetery. Volunteers
will be needed from the community to complete the job.
Unlike Macedonia Cemetery, Gene Shockley is fully aware his mother has
relatives at Fairview.
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Thanks Rhonda: I looked on his web page and didn't see his e-mail address.
Good hearing from you again.
Joan Wray
Tipton, County
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rhonda Stoffer" <rstoffer(a)marion.lib.in.us>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Address
> md9105(a)rogerscomputers.net is what is on his webpage. That is the last
> one I have.
>
>
> Rhonda Stoffer
> Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services
> Marion Public Library
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: inpcrp-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inpcrp-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of E. Joan Wray
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:04 PM
> To: Cemetery address
> Subject: [INPCRP] Address
>
> Does anyone have Mark Davis's e-mail address. I have his old one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Joan Wray
> Tipton County
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For any naysayers lurking out there...mark this down as ANOTHER INPCRP
success story...
Congratulations Cathi on your progress.
I am doubtful that I will be able to make the trip to help, but please post
the finalized plans when they're decided upon just in case.
Kyle
In a message dated 9/8/2007 10:07:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ohiobuck(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
Everyone,
Sorry I could not join those who attended the workshop today. LA has sent
me an email tonight stating some of you told her you were waiting on me to set
up work days. Well, that is exactly what I am attempting to do. But first,
let me say something.
A HUGE THANK YOU to everyone who has responded to my previous email. I
cannot thank you enough for all of the wonderful suggestions and offers of help.
It has taken me by surprise. I am still digesting all of the wonderful
ideas to make this thing grow. You are all a great inspiration with all of the
work you do in your respective counties as well as a wonderful support
mechanism. I am greatful to LA for telling me about this group as well as
everything else she has done. Wow! Do you all realize how fortunate we are to have
such a great group of people, a mailing list that is quite active as well as
the number of people giving so many hours to keep our local and state
histories alive? I have attended the AGS conference the last 2 years and some of
those people know about the workshops that Walt, the IHS and DNR put on. They
ask me if I know how lucky I am to be in Indiana with all of this activity.
Yes, I reply, I do and I am greatful for it. So, you see, there
are some jealous folks out there.
Now, I would like to give a heads up as to what is happening at Mount Hope.
There is a flurry of activity and my head is still spinning. LA, some time
ago, recommended I visit the Rossville Presbyterian Church, which I did, and
I spoke to the secretary. She then contacted the local high school
agriculture teacher who has been a God send. Back in April, I talked to him about the
trees growing in the cemetery and that most of them needed to come down.
When I spoke to him yesterday, he informed me that there are a few families who
are willing to take down the trees. So, I am presently attempting to get
things lined up with them to get them down, or as many as we can, by the end of
this month. The trees along the fence on the east side of the cemetery will
have to be toppled over into the farm field. But the farmer is alright with
this as long as we wait for him to get the beans out of the field. Isn't
this something? This teacher has gone miles above the call of
duty and he didn't even know me before I visited the Rossville Presbyterian
Church! So, tentatively, I am looking at either the first two Saturdays in
October for workdays or the 2nd and 3rd Saturdays. If you folks would pencil
one of those Saturdays on your calendars and let me know which one you
prefer, that would be great. I have to coordinate the cemetery work around my
grandchildrens' activities. I am sure you understand that statement.
Anyway, let me tell you about the cemetery and the surroundings. The
cemetery does not have an access road. It is surrounded by farm land on the west,
south and east sides. The church/school building is long gone. It is 7
miles north of Frankfort and 2 miles south of Rossville. There are no bathrooms,
running water or electricity. Rossville does not have a town restroom and
the one at the gas station does not have a light in it (at least it didn't the
last time I tried to use it). So the usable restrooms are in two
restaurants. It is on a slope and when it rains a good amount, one can get stuck in
the mud. Trust me - I have gotten stuck twice so far. We could either have a
cookout at the cemetery or go into Rossville for lunch. Please let me know
your preference.
The location of the cemetery is approximately 2 - 3 miles east of SR 39 off
700 N. If is on the south side of the road. There is no sign. The speed
limit is 40 mph on 700 N and it can feel like a roller coaster ride, but it is
a typical country road.
Well, that is all I have for now. I will keep you posted. Once again,
THANK YOU for the support, ideas, and labor offers. Oh, by the way, I don't
live in Ohio. I am a native Buckeye but presently live in Plainfield, IN.
Cathi
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Evening everyone.
I have one page up tonight with photos and I'm working on the second one.
Page one is connected under the workshop box.
I really enjoyed meeting everyone. If anyone has a photo they would like
to share, please send it out.
Thanks to Jeannie, Jeff and Catherine for great food and provisions.
And to John, Micki, Kelly and Danny too for a good day.
L.A. Clugh
Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/
Everyone,
Sorry I could not join those who attended the workshop today. LA has sent me an email tonight stating some of you told her you were waiting on me to set up work days. Well, that is exactly what I am attempting to do. But first, let me say something.
A HUGE THANK YOU to everyone who has responded to my previous email. I cannot thank you enough for all of the wonderful suggestions and offers of help. It has taken me by surprise. I am still digesting all of the wonderful ideas to make this thing grow. You are all a great inspiration with all of the work you do in your respective counties as well as a wonderful support mechanism. I am greatful to LA for telling me about this group as well as everything else she has done. Wow! Do you all realize how fortunate we are to have such a great group of people, a mailing list that is quite active as well as the number of people giving so many hours to keep our local and state histories alive? I have attended the AGS conference the last 2 years and some of those people know about the workshops that Walt, the IHS and DNR put on. They ask me if I know how lucky I am to be in Indiana with all of this activity. Yes, I reply, I do and I am greatful for it. So, you see, there
are some jealous folks out there.
Now, I would like to give a heads up as to what is happening at Mount Hope. There is a flurry of activity and my head is still spinning. LA, some time ago, recommended I visit the Rossville Presbyterian Church, which I did, and I spoke to the secretary. She then contacted the local high school agriculture teacher who has been a God send. Back in April, I talked to him about the trees growing in the cemetery and that most of them needed to come down. When I spoke to him yesterday, he informed me that there are a few families who are willing to take down the trees. So, I am presently attempting to get things lined up with them to get them down, or as many as we can, by the end of this month. The trees along the fence on the east side of the cemetery will have to be toppled over into the farm field. But the farmer is alright with this as long as we wait for him to get the beans out of the field. Isn't this something? This teacher has gone miles above the call of
duty and he didn't even know me before I visited the Rossville Presbyterian Church! So, tentatively, I am looking at either the first two Saturdays in October for workdays or the 2nd and 3rd Saturdays. If you folks would pencil one of those Saturdays on your calendars and let me know which one you prefer, that would be great. I have to coordinate the cemetery work around my grandchildrens' activities. I am sure you understand that statement.
Anyway, let me tell you about the cemetery and the surroundings. The cemetery does not have an access road. It is surrounded by farm land on the west, south and east sides. The church/school building is long gone. It is 7 miles north of Frankfort and 2 miles south of Rossville. There are no bathrooms, running water or electricity. Rossville does not have a town restroom and the one at the gas station does not have a light in it (at least it didn't the last time I tried to use it). So the usable restrooms are in two restaurants. It is on a slope and when it rains a good amount, one can get stuck in the mud. Trust me - I have gotten stuck twice so far. We could either have a cookout at the cemetery or go into Rossville for lunch. Please let me know your preference.
The location of the cemetery is approximately 2 - 3 miles east of SR 39 off 700 N. If is on the south side of the road. There is no sign. The speed limit is 40 mph on 700 N and it can feel like a roller coaster ride, but it is a typical country road.
Well, that is all I have for now. I will keep you posted. Once again, THANK YOU for the support, ideas, and labor offers. Oh, by the way, I don't live in Ohio. I am a native Buckeye but presently live in Plainfield, IN.
Cathi
Hello All:
To the woman from Ohio working in Clinton County:
Kevin Cullen's name was mentioned as a writer from the Lafayette area
potentially useful in publicizing the need for volunteers. I queried Kevin, and
have attached his response:
Vince --
Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad you liked this week's column.
I haven't retired; I am editor of the Catholic weekly newspaper here, and
communications director for the Lafayette diocese, which covers 23 counties
in Indiana.
I think that Bob Scott at the Journal & Courier would be interested in
doing a story about this lady (and getting more volunteers). There also is a
daily paper in Frankfort, called THe Times. I don't know any reporters there
but the city editor could be contacted.
Kevin
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That is a wonderful job!. I especially link the township links to other
items.
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "UEB" <uebush(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
> Joan,
>
> Here is the way we registered/posted the Henry County, IN cemeteries
> online
> with their exact GPS locations with basic information
> http://www.hcgs.net/gis.html We used MS Excel and Works to make the
> databases. http://www.hcgs.net/cem.html
> The Indiana DNR, Indiana State Library, Historical and Genealogy Societies
> also have copies of the database.
>
> UEB
> Henry County, IN
> WWW.HCGS.NET
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LA Clugh" <LAClugh(a)insightbb.com>
> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "E. Joan Wray" <tippyjo(a)ccrtc.com>
>> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>>
>>
>>> Hello Gang:
>>>
>>> When I mentioned this about a week ago about our local library was
>>> putting cemeteries on line and wondered if the state could down load
>>> that
>>> to save time, effort, I didn't realize they were going into such depth
>>> with their
>>> information. No wonder this would take so much time.
>>
>> Joan,
>> Are you wanting these files for a webpage? If so, probably the best
>> thing
>> to do is link their site or
>> go ask them if they could share their files. I can link it if you want
>> me
>> to.
>> Creating a page with the basic information on each cemetery is what most
>> counties need.
>> Cemetery names and also know as names, gps readings & township and
>> location.
>> This can all be done in a word processor file like Microsoft Word. That
>> file can
>> be saved as a html webpage after you are done inputting the information.
>> Photos
>> can be inserted in the file too. You need to find someone to help you
>> set
>> it up.
>> And feed it into the file. The hardest part for me was what information
>> I
>> wanted to include.
>> Everyone has different ideas on this, but if you explore the pages we
>> have
>> linked, you can
>> create what you want pretty easily.
>>
>> Gibson had just about everything. Delaware, Hendricks, Putnam,
>> Tippecanoe
>> &
>> Wayne Counties
>> are showing restoration efforts as well as other information.
>> Miami and Cass have yet different setup, but the same kind of
>> information.
>>
>> Tipton county has a website linked. You probably just need to type up
>> what
>> you want to put out there and ask them to link the files. It is helpful
>> you
>> your group
>> to work on this as you are the folks that care about the locations and
>> setting it up
>> to the public.
>>
>> Just let me know?
>> LA
>> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and
>> restoration
>> projects.
LA:
I was just asking Jeannie if she could get that information to help her. I
don't work at the Library so I would have to ask them how to get their
information.
Joan Wray
Tipton County.
----- Original Message -----
From: "LA Clugh" <LAClugh(a)insightbb.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E. Joan Wray" <tippyjo(a)ccrtc.com>
> To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>
>
>> Hello Gang:
>>
>> When I mentioned this about a week ago about our local library was
>> putting
>> cemeteries on line and wondered if the state could down load that to save
>> time, effort, I didn't realize they were going into such depth with their
>> information. No wonder this would take so much time.
>
> Joan,
> Are you wanting these files for a webpage? If so, probably the best thing
> to do is link their site or
> go ask them if they could share their files. I can link it if you want
> me
> to.
> Creating a page with the basic information on each cemetery is what most
> counties need.
> Cemetery names and also know as names, gps readings & township and
> location.
> This can all be done in a word processor file like Microsoft Word. That
> file can
> be saved as a html webpage after you are done inputting the information.
> Photos
> can be inserted in the file too. You need to find someone to help you set
> it up.
> And feed it into the file. The hardest part for me was what information I
> wanted to include.
> Everyone has different ideas on this, but if you explore the pages we have
> linked, you can
> create what you want pretty easily.
>
> Gibson had just about everything. Delaware, Hendricks, Putnam, Tippecanoe
> &
> Wayne Counties
> are showing restoration efforts as well as other information.
> Miami and Cass have yet different setup, but the same kind of information.
>
> Tipton county has a website linked. You probably just need to type up
> what
> you want to put out there and ask them to link the files. It is helpful
> you
> your group
> to work on this as you are the folks that care about the locations and
> setting it up
> to the public.
>
> Just let me know?
> LA
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and restoration
> projects.
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> INPCRP-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
> in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
Hello Gang:
When I mentioned this about a week ago about our local library was putting
cemeteries on line and wondered if the state could down load that to save
time, effort, I didn't realize they were going into such depth with their
information. No wonder this would take so much time. I really have nothing
but appreciation for Jeannie-Regan-Dinius. I think she is very informative
when you have a question for her and is always willing to work with you.
Keep up the good work, Jeannie.
Joan Wray
Tipton County
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jon andrews" <sianoil(a)hotmail.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
> Yeah well, that's why they call it a job! The online database will be "in
> development" for as long as the legislature keeps funding the project. And
> as far as their version of high tech data, I know a local company that
> could
> have had this done and over with in less than half the time and effort and
> certainly less money. As far as leadership, she's been the only one at the
> helm and I'm certainly not holding my breath waiting for an answer, on or
> off list.
> It's called job security and if nobody has guts enough to complain about
> it,
> they think we all like it. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. This
> is mine. I frankly am tired of feeding the cow!
> Jon Andrews
>
>
>
>>From: "Kathy Keller" <k_a_keller(a)msn.com>
>>Reply-To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
>>To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:59:51 -0400
>>
>>Now Jon,
>>I completely understand your concerns but after working in government a
>>few
>>years, I totally understand the hang up of just getting the job done. I
>>would think Jeannie Regan-Dinius from the previous communication with the
>>DNR would be able to answer these questions or direct us to someone who
>>can. Input and work like this is sometimes delegated to summer college
>>interns. And it might be really important to us, but isn't a burning
>>issue
>>at that level of government. And over those same six years you mentioned,
>>technology, workforce and leadership has changed adding to the mix!
>>Maybe we could provide assistance with the input but as Jeannie indicated,
>>the online database is still in development. And they are not using our
>>grade of GPS equipment I would bet so that takes a bit more expertise and
>>data collection. These cemeteries would probably be plotted, through GPS,
>>to county/state digital map files and may have as little as 6" variance in
>>location with the rest of locations in Indiana and the world.
>>
>>I am sorry that Jeannie seemed one of the bad guys last week as that was
>>not my intention at all when I forwarded her response. If you think you
>>are frustrated with these issues, think about all the Jeannie's trying to
>>do a good job - and all the brick walls they live with every day. If it
>>was as easy as just do it, stuff would be done but it doesn't work that
>>way
>>in government.
>>
>>So, Jeannie if you are reading this, my hat is off to you for all that you
>>do and I am sorry if things seemed personal last week. Can you help with
>>Jon's questions?
>>Now, how can we help you?
>>Thanks, K
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jon andrews<mailto:sianoil@hotmail.com>
>> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:inpcrp@rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>>
>>
>> Back on an old subject, but can anybody tell me what it costs to visit
>>DHPA
>> in Indy and view this information and is the online database when it is
>>up
>> and running going to free to the public or will it be by subscription
>>only?
>> It seems ridiculous to do the dirty work and send them free
>> information,
>> when they are going to charge us to view it on their database. In fact,
>>I'd
>> like to know how much we as taxpayers are paying to have this
>>information
>> inputted and why it takes almost 6 years to only input 3000 sites? What
>>are
>> they doing up there?
>> Jon Andrews
>>
>>
>> >From: "Regan-Dinius, Jeannie"
>><JRDinius(a)dnr.IN.gov<mailto:JRDinius@dnr.IN.gov>>
>> >Reply-To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:inpcrp@rootsweb.com>
>> >To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:inpcrp@rootsweb.com>>
>> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>> >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:54:34 -0400
>>
>>
>> >The Cemetery and Burial Ground is moving along. We have over 3000
>>sites
>> >in our database, with more being inputted everyday. That does not
>> >include the over 20,000 files we have on cemeteries in every county.
>> >Currently, our office is creating an online database, that is expected
>> >to be available next year. It will not have every cemetery in it
>> >immediately. The slow part of the job is that we have to visit sites
>>to
>> >get accurate GPS readings, confirm unknown locations to the best of
>> our
>> >abilities, and input that data.
>>
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Yeah well, that's why they call it a job! The online database will be "in
development" for as long as the legislature keeps funding the project. And
as far as their version of high tech data, I know a local company that could
have had this done and over with in less than half the time and effort and
certainly less money. As far as leadership, she's been the only one at the
helm and I'm certainly not holding my breath waiting for an answer, on or
off list.
It's called job security and if nobody has guts enough to complain about it,
they think we all like it. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. This
is mine. I frankly am tired of feeding the cow!
Jon Andrews
>From: "Kathy Keller" <k_a_keller(a)msn.com>
>Reply-To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com
>To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:59:51 -0400
>
>Now Jon,
>I completely understand your concerns but after working in government a few
>years, I totally understand the hang up of just getting the job done. I
>would think Jeannie Regan-Dinius from the previous communication with the
>DNR would be able to answer these questions or direct us to someone who
>can. Input and work like this is sometimes delegated to summer college
>interns. And it might be really important to us, but isn't a burning issue
>at that level of government. And over those same six years you mentioned,
>technology, workforce and leadership has changed adding to the mix!
>Maybe we could provide assistance with the input but as Jeannie indicated,
>the online database is still in development. And they are not using our
>grade of GPS equipment I would bet so that takes a bit more expertise and
>data collection. These cemeteries would probably be plotted, through GPS,
>to county/state digital map files and may have as little as 6" variance in
>location with the rest of locations in Indiana and the world.
>
>I am sorry that Jeannie seemed one of the bad guys last week as that was
>not my intention at all when I forwarded her response. If you think you
>are frustrated with these issues, think about all the Jeannie's trying to
>do a good job - and all the brick walls they live with every day. If it
>was as easy as just do it, stuff would be done but it doesn't work that way
>in government.
>
>So, Jeannie if you are reading this, my hat is off to you for all that you
>do and I am sorry if things seemed personal last week. Can you help with
>Jon's questions?
>Now, how can we help you?
>Thanks, K
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jon andrews<mailto:sianoil@hotmail.com>
> To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:inpcrp@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
>
>
> Back on an old subject, but can anybody tell me what it costs to visit
>DHPA
> in Indy and view this information and is the online database when it is
>up
> and running going to free to the public or will it be by subscription
>only?
> It seems ridiculous to do the dirty work and send them free information,
> when they are going to charge us to view it on their database. In fact,
>I'd
> like to know how much we as taxpayers are paying to have this
>information
> inputted and why it takes almost 6 years to only input 3000 sites? What
>are
> they doing up there?
> Jon Andrews
>
>
> >From: "Regan-Dinius, Jeannie"
><JRDinius(a)dnr.IN.gov<mailto:JRDinius@dnr.IN.gov>>
> >Reply-To: inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:inpcrp@rootsweb.com>
> >To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:inpcrp@rootsweb.com>>
> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Pioneer Cemeteries
> >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:54:34 -0400
>
>
> >The Cemetery and Burial Ground is moving along. We have over 3000
>sites
> >in our database, with more being inputted everyday. That does not
> >include the over 20,000 files we have on cemeteries in every county.
> >Currently, our office is creating an online database, that is expected
> >to be available next year. It will not have every cemetery in it
> >immediately. The slow part of the job is that we have to visit sites
>to
> >get accurate GPS readings, confirm unknown locations to the best of our
> >abilities, and input that data.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Now you can see trouble.before he arrives
>
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>
> This list is for sharing pioneer cemetery questions, ideas and
>restoration projects.
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