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I picked mine up at a local sewage contactor. When they learned what I planned to use it for (as well as not being able to determine the price of the probe), they gave it to me.
Cathi
"L.A. CLUGH" <clugh_la(a)msn.com> wrote:
Scott and list,
I have two thoughts here to share.
1. It's one thing Scott to help clean up and put stones
back up where they belong. It's another one to disturb the
ground by digging in a cemetery. This is where the probes
are helpful in locating the missing pieces or complete stones
where you find spaces open. This is also the are you need
to have that signed permission slip from the Trustee
or permit from the DHPA. I hope you already know this.
Most of the time the missing pieces are only 2 to 6 inches under
ground. And yes, you do need to probe with ease. All soils are
different. The project I'm working on has soil with a lot of
gravel under the surface. It's hard to push the probe in very far.
We have found it's easier to do this after a big rain, or do all this
locating work in the early spring when the soil is very soft.
Once you have dug out any missing pieces, it's important to replace that
soil around the area you dug out. Walt has taught us to use a canvas or
tarp to hold on to all the dirt you dig out. That way it will all be there
when your done. Replacing the grass fragments on top so they can
grow again. If you think about all this first, it will save you headaches
later. You don't want to leave any low areas the mowers wheels can fall
into and do more damage to stones. Or any holes someone can twist a foot
into and get hurt later.
2. My probes are homemade. But others have seen them in hardware
stores in the area. You should ask for Tile Probes. Contractors
will use them to find the sewer lines and broken tiles.
Just go easy and make sure you have the whole tombstone area located
(like all the edges) before you start digging.
There is always more to learn, thank you for asking.
This is why there are two workshop each year. There is more to
this restoration than you can learn in one trip. Heck I've been
to at least 20. If you want to do it right, you have to learn
all you can. The workshop are very affordable workshop. I've seen others
that cost over $600.00 + room and travel.
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Green"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod
> Sure will.
>
> Got ours here: Forestry Suppliers: http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/
>
> Also should have them here: http://www.benmeadows.com/home.htm
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Green
> Historic Archaeological Research
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: Sheila Rooker
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod
>
>
> Rich,
>
> Do you want to share with everyone where we might purchase one of
> these probes?Sheila
>
> Rich Green wrote:
> The probes designed with a ball tip are designed slightly larger in
> diameter at the business end creating an enlarged pathway for the shaft of
> the probe. The only resistance to insertion is the ball tip itself. A
> probe like this is very easy to push through even the hardest ground
> because there is no friction along the long axis of the probe.
>
> Obviously, the ball tip is less likely to damage material it comes in
> contact with, both because it requires less force to insert and because it
> is a smooth spherical surface rather than a sharp pointed one.
>
>
> Rich Green
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jackbriles(a)aol.com
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod
>
>
>
> Scot
>
> I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I use a pointed probe, (The
> part
> of the state I live in you have to) but if I ever pushed hard enough to
> chip or
> crack a piece of buried tombstone rather than push slowly and gently,
> not
> knowing how deep it is, I believe I should quit probing altogether.
>
>
> Jack E Briles Sr
> Floyd Co. In.
> _jackbriles(a)aol.com_ (mailto:jackbriles@aol.com)
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THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
The probes designed with a ball tip are designed slightly larger in diameter at the business end creating an enlarged pathway for the shaft of the probe. The only resistance to insertion is the ball tip itself. A probe like this is very easy to push through even the hardest ground because there is no friction along the long axis of the probe.
Obviously, the ball tip is less likely to damage material it comes in contact with, both because it requires less force to insert and because it is a smooth spherical surface rather than a sharp pointed one.
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Jackbriles(a)aol.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod
Scot
I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I use a pointed probe, (The part
of the state I live in you have to) but if I ever pushed hard enough to chip or
crack a piece of buried tombstone rather than push slowly and gently, not
knowing how deep it is, I believe I should quit probing altogether.
Jack E Briles Sr
Floyd Co. In.
_jackbriles(a)aol.com_ (mailto:jackbriles@aol.com)
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Scot
I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I use a pointed probe, (The part
of the state I live in you have to) but if I ever pushed hard enough to chip or
crack a piece of buried tombstone rather than push slowly and gently, not
knowing how deep it is, I believe I should quit probing altogether.
Jack E Briles Sr
Floyd Co. In.
_jackbriles(a)aol.com_ (mailto:jackbriles@aol.com)
Scot,
I have a 1/4 inch ball bearing on the tip of mine. It goes into the ground
pretty smoothly without much pressure so you don't hit the stone hard enough
to damage it. At least I've not damaged any stones yet. Where you have to be
really careful is if or when you decide to bring the stone back up.
Brian Smead
Terre Haute, Indiana
-----Original Message-----
From: scotstout(a)aol.com [mailto:scotstout@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod
i have a question about using a steel rod for probing for buried
tombstones... doesn't using steel run the risk of damaging the buried
stone? i'm concerned that it could break the stone, or chip off a small
part and damage the engraved text. wouldn't it be better to use a wooden or
stiff plastic rod?
scot
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i have a question about using a steel rod for probing for buried tombstones... doesn't using steel run the risk of damaging the buried stone? i'm concerned that it could break the stone, or chip off a small part and damage the engraved text. wouldn't it be better to use a wooden or stiff plastic rod?
scot
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Hi Scott,
There is a number of links on the main webpage.
This one is called; How to be a INPCRP Volunteer
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrphelpwanted.html
Also look The Restoration Process One step at a time
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html
& this one too.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/restorationprocess.html
I was thinking of re-working these three into one.
Of course I'm always open to suggestions too.
I think after you have worked in a few, you'll see all
sites are are all different, but the rest is about the same.
Step by step you locate, fix or rebuild and put everything
back in the correct place.
Some one should start by locating records too. Checking
all the libraries around you. Fort Wayne and Indianapolis too.
On those workdays, stop now and then and take photos of the
volunteers working. It will help you sort all this out later.
I always start with a complete photo session first.
You will come back to this over and over again. Learn that
digital camera. Its worth it. Rich shared a method with me
this spring. Start somewhere on the site, NW corner, etc.
Photograph from all corners and you can't go wrong. Try to do
this on each site you visit and soon it will become an old habit.
Enjoy,
L.A.
Tippecanoe County pioneer cemetery projects.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~intcpcrg/Index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: <ScotStout(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] how to begin?
> the county in which i live does not have the financial resources to clean
> a
> particular cemetery which is overgrown. however, the county is likely to
> give
> permission to local people sometime this next week. i'm prepared to help
> with
> the physical labor as well as education.
>
> my question is, what is the best way to begin the actual grunt work once
> we're all assembled at the cemetery? i have not found any information
> regarding
> this in books or online. since the vegetation to be removed is mostly
> waist-high grass and a few shrubs and saplings, it's not going to be a
> massive job.
> but since weed-eaters can damage the stones, and mowers are out of the
> question
> since the grass is high enough to hide the smaller stones, just how do we
> proceed?
>
> the cemetery in question is mica cemetery, and photos and information can
> be
> found at:
> http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/spokane/mica1/mica.htm
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
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> Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
> Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname
> and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are
> a better venue.
> Thank you.
>
>
-----
Vandals have hit the Old Zanesville Cemetery,Wells County, Indiana overnight Saturday, July 15th...I went to investigate the situation and found 46 stones tipped over with about 15 of them broken. These were stones from two foot tall to 8-10 foot tall and the huge wide stones were pushed off their bases. I will have pictures tomorrow to show you the damage. I didn't record the damaged ones, but when I can go back up I will make a list of them and post it on here. (I received the call Sunday evening and had a house full of company so didn't feel I could do it then.)
If the vandals can be found the caretaker will prosecute to the fullest and he wants the vandals to have to help re-set and pay for any expenses incurred by the destruction.
If the vandals are not found the caretaker is asking for volunteers to help re-set the stones. Or cash donations to help pay for the damages done to the broken stones.
I will keep you posted.
Connie Brubaker
Organization is a must in a job like this. After everyone gets there,
have everyone pair up with a partner, and assign them a specific area to
clear, otherwise everyone is running around getting nothing done, and
partnes help keep each other going. I would suggest flagging the stones
first so they are visible so no one will fall over them. If the stones
are marked, weed eating the rest of the grass should be OK as long as you
instruct them to not get close to the stones. I would suggest clippers to
be used near the stones. Have all the shrubs cleared, then use something
on the roots to kill them off. I think working from one end to the other
is the best process, and have a designated area to throw the shrub and
sapplings to they are not just laying where they fall. Instruct everyone
that they are not to move the stones, and be cautious of snakes and other
critters under and around the stones. Good luck in the process, bring
lots of drinking water and bug spray, and sun screen.
Helen Wildermuth
> the county in which i live does not have the financial resources to
> clean a particular cemetery which is overgrown. however, the county is
> likely to give permission to local people sometime this next week. i'm
> prepared to help with the physical labor as well as education.
>
> my question is, what is the best way to begin the actual grunt work once
> we're all assembled at the cemetery? i have not found any information
> regarding this in books or online. since the vegetation to be removed
> is mostly waist-high grass and a few shrubs and saplings, it's not
> going to be a massive job. but since weed-eaters can damage the
> stones, and mowers are out of the question since the grass is high
> enough to hide the smaller stones, just how do we proceed?
>
> the cemetery in question is mica cemetery, and photos and information
> can be found at:
> http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/spokane/mica1/mica.htm
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
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> Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
> Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname
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> are a better venue. Thank you.
the county in which i live does not have the financial resources to clean a
particular cemetery which is overgrown. however, the county is likely to give
permission to local people sometime this next week. i'm prepared to help with
the physical labor as well as education.
my question is, what is the best way to begin the actual grunt work once
we're all assembled at the cemetery? i have not found any information regarding
this in books or online. since the vegetation to be removed is mostly
waist-high grass and a few shrubs and saplings, it's not going to be a massive job.
but since weed-eaters can damage the stones, and mowers are out of the question
since the grass is high enough to hide the smaller stones, just how do we
proceed?
the cemetery in question is mica cemetery, and photos and information can be
found at:
http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/spokane/mica1/mica.htm
Here is the catalog record for the item you are inquiring about:
Call Number 090;: 912.772 I385hp2
Personal Author : Sidwell studio, Lombard, Illinois.
Title : [Plat books of Indiana counties].
Publication Information : Lombard, Ill. : Sidwell studio,
[1925-1941]
Physical Description : [92 pts.] ; 21 x 28 cm.
General Note : IndNonstandard MARC.
Subject Term : Indiana Atlases.
County Atlases.
The publication date of 1925-1941 is not certain, but was inferred by
the cataloger based on various clues such as dates on the maps and date
of acquisition.
Thank you for your inquiry. If we can be of further assistance, please
let us know.
Sincerely,
Jesse Lewis
State Documents Coordinator
Indiana Division
-----Original Message-----
From: L.A. CLUGH [mailto:clugh_la@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:45 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] Digital Maps of Indiana
Evening everyone,
Below is a link digital plats for Indiana on each county.
I don't know the year this is and I haven't studied this yet.
Maybe someone else will. Hope these links holds up..
It's from IUPUI, here is the main search page.
<http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php<http://indiamond6.ulib
.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php>>
This is the atlas. I just know this will split apart, so you might have
to search on the link above. Just put in your county somewhere. You
should find something.
http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=p
lat&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEAR
CHALL&CISOOP3=any&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBO
X4=&CISOFIELD4=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a<http://indiamond6
.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=plat&CISOFIELD1=CI
SOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP3=any
&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBOX4=&CISOFIELD4=CI
SOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a>
enjoy
L.A.
LA:
Thank you for the info on the VA database. That will come in very useful.
It brought to mind a database that I thought might also be of interest to the
group. The Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War has placed online their
graves registration database for Union and Confederate burials. This is a
work in progress as more burials are added on line every day. I am currently
compiling an index for all of Newton County to be added. I am also adding
burials of ancestors of others and would be happy to do that for anyone on the
list if they email off list so I can let them know what information I need.
The database is located at _www.suvcwdb.org_ (http://www.suvcwdb.org) . Anyone
who is interested in having the burial of their CW ancestor added can
contact me at _KidClerk(a)aol.com_ (mailto:KidClerk@aol.com) .
Kyle D. Conrad
Ok,
I don't know why it is doublings my links together.
You can separate them before the brackets, or copy
them up to the brackets < >
Sorry.
LA
Subject: [INPCRP] Fw: VA Burials / Cemeteries Database
> List, Forwarding this on, the database looks pretty nice.
>
> I also updated the Links page. Took off all those buttons.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/links_to_other_sites.htm
<http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/links_to_other_sites.htm>
>
> Please let me know if you find any great Cemetery information
> sites.
>
> LAC
> ~~~~~~~
>
> The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has added 1.9 million burial
> listings to its cemeteries database. These are for military veterans
> buried in
> mostly private cemeteries, who have VA grave markers. The database
> already
> included more than 3 million graves in national cemeteries, bringing the
> total in
> the database to about 5 million listings.
>
> VA has also added maps to show many of the grave locations for those
> buried
> in VA national cemeteries, in state veterans cemeteries, and Arlington
> National Cemetery.
>
> The database is online at...
http://gravelocatorhttp://gravehttp://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/
<http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/>)
>
> For more helpful military databases see...
> Online Military Indexes & Records
http://www.militaryhttp://www.m
<http://www.militaryhttp://www.m>
(http://www.militaryindexes.com/<http://www.militaryindexes.com/>)
>
>
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> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
> have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
List has been quiet for the last few months.
LA, I went to the website the other day and just wanted to let you know that
it looks great. You've done a good job on it.
Brian Smead
Terre Haute, IN
-----Original Message-----
From: L.A. CLUGH [mailto:clugh_la@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:24 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Am i Still On the List
Greetings Jack and list,
Jack, you most certainly are still on the list. Both email's.
I has been quiet this year. There has been a lot of folks that have emails
bounced/returned lately. The system at Rootsweb will take care of all this
by
it's self. I don't have to mess with removing anyone.
Melody, looks like some great photos and participation on your dedication
Congrats!
We need to here more like this.
LA
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Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:53 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Am i Still On the List
>
> I just changed to a newcomputer and windows xp has me s-------- up, I dont
> know if aol is still with me or not
>
>
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