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Walt, we miss seeing you and Micki, Betty and I have had a tough time the
last year with her broken neck, and now she has had a Malignant Mole removed on
her back. But the Doc says he believes he caught it in time, we will know in a
week.
I have been asked if you are giving any workshops this summer, and if
so where and when. A few people in this area are interested in attending one
put on by you.
Hopefully no farther North than Indianapolis. Let me know if you have any
planed.
Best wishes to the both of you,
Jack & Betty Briles
jackbriles(a)aol.com
My wife and I went out in the Hills yesterday to repair a stone for
a friend. Without thinking (And having used it for over 5 years) I took my
MASTICO along with the little white cup of chemical setting agent. I placed the
Mastico in the back and put the white Container on the Dash of my Truck so it
wouldn't get lost, 10 minutes after we got there we were getting our pruners
and cleaning material out. Suddenly there was a small explosion in my Truck.
The smoke was so thick you couldn't see inside. I did not know what
had happened. I yanked the door open and got a whiff of the thick smoke and
could not breathe. I grabbed the hood release and raised the hood and took
Pruners and cut my Ground wire to the battery. (Thinking the worst) The smoke
cleared and when I could breathe I looked inside the Truck. The Hardener was up
the center of the windshield and up on the sunvisor.
The cap was on the seat. Had this happened 20 minutes earlier we no doubt
would have wrecked because we would not have been able to breathe or see where I
was going. End of story. WARNING, DO NOT PUT THE HARDENER ON THE DASH OF
ANYTHING. The temperature caused it to Explode. (I also had to call for a Ground
Wire) PLEASE be CAREFUL keep this out of the sun sealed up.
Jack Briles
Jack,
Sure, that would be great and thank you.
I will be back down in your neck of the woods next week to mark the locations of graves on the McCulloch cemetery. We surveyed it back during the winter, and then had a delay before completion due to GPR equipment damage during heavy rains.
Walker McCulloch came out and visited us while we were shooting site surface features, and he was thankful and appreciative of your efforts and that you were able to locate the last broken base stone. Incidentally, our GPR technician recorded quite a few graves at the McCulloch; more than we anticipated.
Feel free to e-mail me offline if you'd like to discuss this one further.
Best Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
Rich,
At the May meeting of the Floyd Co. Plan commission, if the question
arises about the Development with the cemetery, would you like for me to mention
you and your CO. I don't know what will happen when it comes up. It was not
brought up at the April meeting. The cemetery is going to be a surprise. We know
about where it is, but there are no stones.
Jack Briles
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In a message dated 4/10/06 8:06:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bvirginia76(a)earthlink.net writes:
> Jack,
>
> Thank you for this history lesson on Lafayette Twp. Very interesting.
>
> Virginia Morris Brown
>
Virginia, and the List and all involved,
I believe at one time or another we have all been on the tail end of
something we would like to have not made public. Well, this is one of those times I
was apparently taken in. There is absolutely no connection between the Mc
Cutchan cemetery and the Indian Burial Ground. In a way I was the victim of a
very long running unverified story about the Indian Burial Ground in Section 1 of
Lafayette Twp, lasting from 1882 until April 2006. There was never a Burial
site in Section 1 as indicated by the location. The gentleman who wrote the
story on Floyd Co. was from Newark, Ohio, and if he was ever here, he probably
had never been to this type of environment.
It may be true in another section, but not this one. I want to clear
this up with everyone that there is a Development going in, but no Native
American Burials are involved, knowingly at this time. We still need to use Ground
Penetrating Radar to Check for Burials where Mrs Fenwick said they were when
she was a little Girl . A cemetery is still missing and subject to
Development.
I remember the Dime Novels that were printed (Before I was
Born) like the Westerns. The writer embellished on the story to make it more
interesting so they would sell back east. I was told the Burial Ground was near
Indian Creek. Well, as far as I can determine after 6-7 hours a day for a
week in the Recorders Office looking for deeds for Alexander McCutchan and not
finding them where they should be in Section 1, I finally give up today. I
found 2 but so far they are in another Section not scheduled for Development at
this time. I have not stopped searching for a Native American Burial Ground,
only the hurry up has slowed down. I am still pushing for a serious check for the
Elusive McCutchan Cemetery.
If I have unnecessarily disturbed anyone I'm sorry, but I was
disturbed because time was running out. As I said, I am still looking for the
Native-American site. I believe it is out there somewhere. If so, Ill find it in the
next Section.!!! SORRY.
Jack E. Briles Sr.
jackbriles(a)aol.com
PO Box 444
New Albany, In 4 7151-0444
(812)282-6585
In a message dated 4/12/06 5:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rgreen(a)insightbb.com writes:
> While I'm mentioning web site updates, please feel free to check the HAR
> pages in the next few weeks as it is my intention to place online some
> Ground Penetrating Radar images depicting unmarked 19th century graves:
>
>
Rich,
At the May meeting of the Floyd Co. Plan commission, if the question
arises about the Development with the cemetery, would you like for me to mention
you and your CO. I don't know what will happen when it comes up. It was not
brought up at the April meeting. The cemetery is going to be a surprise. We know
about where it is, but there are no stones.
Jack Briles
----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Green
To: INPCRP
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:04 PM
Subject: Granville Cemetery Update
Hello the list,
A few people have written off-list wondering about the status of the
Granville cemetery. We have been very busy around here this week and have
not had time to follow up on this any further. I did say I would be a
squeaky wheel on this one, but these sort of things do take time to get
sorted out so I haven't followed up. I'm sorry to report that I haven't
heard much yet.
Someone suggested pointing the local media to the photos online, but I
didn't do this myself and I haven't seen anything in the papers yet. LA
Clugh allowed as how she thought that there may be plans by the DNR to
rebury the human remains. I will post updates if there are any forthcoming:
http://www.har-indy.com/granville_cemetery.html
While I'm mentioning web site updates, please feel free to check the HAR
pages in the next few weeks as it is my intention to place online some
Ground Penetrating Radar images depicting unmarked 19th century graves:
http://www.har-indy.com/
Regards to all,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
Say, I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced a delay in posts today? I
sent a message to the list about three hours ago and it still hasn't posted?
Guess no one will see this if the system has problems, but I thought I'd try
in case it was an isolated incident.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
Jack,
You have my support in your efforts. It is sad that so much development is
ruining the pioneer and Indian sites. Once gone, they are never coming
back! You are surely earning stars in your crown for your work! I wonder
what will happen to the Morris Cemetery in Greenville if someone else buys
that property?
Virginia Morris Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jackbriles(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] McCutchan Cem & Indian Burial Grnd
> In a message dated 4/9/06 6:46:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Tewastar(a)aol.com
> writes:
>
>
> > do I understand correctly that a developer is ignoring NAGRPA???
> >
> > thanks~~~~
> >
> > Marilynn in NM
> >
>
> Marilyn, First to someone not versed in many things pertaining to Native
> Americans, what is the " NAGRPA"
> Now, I just verified this fact last week. We knew a cemetery with
> stones had been destroyed. But I had only heard rumors about the Native
American
> Burial Ground. Finally as of Friday night 10 minutes after the Library
Local
> History room closed, I walked out with a page from a book of The Histories
of
> The Ohio Falls Counties , 1882 pg 306 that verified what I had believed
all
> along. A house had been built in the middle of the Burial Ground Mounds in
> Section 1 of Lafayette Township. I know there are places along all of the
Creeks
> around here up in the hills where there could be more.
> The Creeks running thru Floyd County are even Called Big
Indian
> Creek, and Little Indian Creek. They lived all over this county, Hi
country
> and Low. But since we don't know about places like this, it is very hard
to get
> to them before the Developers do. When Caesar's Gambling Boat went in to
the
> Ohio River at the mouth of a creek, they had to do an Archeological dig
for a
> year removing Indian Artifacts. Now at my age, Cemeteries and Burial
Sites
> are my only purpose left in my life. Try To Protect what we have left of
our
> Burial Sites. This is a small county and it is Developing faster than I
can drive
> from one side to the other almost. Tewstar, if you have any ideas, I would
> appreciate them, and if nothing else e-mail me a whole lot of Moral
Support.
>
> Jack E. Briles Sr.
> jackbriles(a)aol.com
> PO Box 444
> New Albany, In. 47151-0444
> (812)282-6585
>
>
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In a message dated 4/9/06 6:46:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tewastar(a)aol.com
writes:
> do I understand correctly that a developer is ignoring NAGRPA???
>
> thanks~~~~
>
> Marilynn in NM
>
Marilyn, First to someone not versed in many things pertaining to Native
Americans, what is the " NAGRPA"
Now, I just verified this fact last week. We knew a cemetery with
stones had been destroyed. But I had only heard rumors about the Native American
Burial Ground. Finally as of Friday night 10 minutes after the Library Local
History room closed, I walked out with a page from a book of The Histories of
The Ohio Falls Counties , 1882 pg 306 that verified what I had believed all
along. A house had been built in the middle of the Burial Ground Mounds in
Section 1 of Lafayette Township. I know there are places along all of the Creeks
around here up in the hills where there could be more.
The Creeks running thru Floyd County are even Called Big Indian
Creek, and Little Indian Creek. They lived all over this county, Hi country
and Low. But since we don't know about places like this, it is very hard to get
to them before the Developers do. When Caesar's Gambling Boat went in to the
Ohio River at the mouth of a creek, they had to do an Archeological dig for a
year removing Indian Artifacts. Now at my age, Cemeteries and Burial Sites
are my only purpose left in my life. Try To Protect what we have left of our
Burial Sites. This is a small county and it is Developing faster than I can drive
from one side to the other almost. Tewstar, if you have any ideas, I would
appreciate them, and if nothing else e-mail me a whole lot of Moral Support.
Jack E. Briles Sr.
jackbriles(a)aol.com
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812)282-6585
Jeannie,
We not only have a standard cemetery destroyed, but also the McCutchans
around 1806 moved into Lafayette Twp. They were From Ireland. There was quite
a large group with Father and sons. They all naturally settled beside running
water, which was to be called Big Indian Creek.
To simplify things, I am including a couple of pages out of our local
history written in 1882. It is called History of the Ohio Falls Counties. The
ones especially of importance is pg. 306 and 307. This tells about a 1 Acre
Indian (Native American) Burial Ground. This is the one that Mrs. Fenwick
mentioned that was destroyed. It seems as though History says that Alexander
McCutchan built his house directly in the middle of it and then proceeded to plow up
all of the ground on his property, including the Burial Ground. The Indians
buried their dead in slight mounds. There were reportedly quite a few of them.
Around 1812 with the White people moving in the Indians began to move
on. Occasional, acording to the History book, they would come by the Burial
Grounds. There is a Treaty Line visible on the Map which divided up the land. It
ran slightly So. of the Town of Later Galena and ran in a straight line
slightly outside the limits No. of Greenville. Later in the early 1800's a road was
used that traveled thru the end of the Burial Ground. Later when they put a
bridge up, the road was realigned to the right and by passed it and continued on
to what became Scottsville.
I have an 1859 map of the area and the McCutchans and the Atkins
(Gideon and his kin lived near the creek.) The Scots founded Scottsville Less
than a mile East. Along the creek all kind of game was prevalent and the
Indians thrived until whites began to move in. The Indians moved on North west to be
more in line with the Buffalo.
Our problem now is Robert Lynn, A local Developer is Planning a
Subdivision on this exact area. It was set back to May from April because of a
problem with some type of drainage. I saw an overlay over an Ariel map and I am
convinced that the Developer will find human remains, either from later Burials
on the Property where the older people remember it, or he will find Native
American Remains or Relics.
The Indians were known to be quite frequent between the Ohio River
and Big and Little Indian creeks. They often crossed at the falls of the Ohio
hunting. This is a situation that I believe needs Immediate attention before the
Developement begins, even if it delays it for a short time. The site should
be checked out thoroughly. To completely ignore it could be quite serious.
I don't have much say about any Developments in the County, unless
there is a visible Cemetery. I have spent this week trying to find a deed, but I
have had no luck. But I was tipped off about the Local History book in the
Indiana Library Room in the New Albany-Floyd Co. Library. I lucked out and found
reference to what I was Looking for. I hope something can be done not to
disturb any possible remains. I know it will be tough. The farmers used to remove
the stones and use the ground. The old out of sight, out of mind. I hope the
DNR and there DHPA give this matter the proper attention it deserves. It
definately is worth looking into,
Thank you very much for your efforts,
Sincerely
Jack E. Briles Sr.
jackbriles(a)aol.com
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812)282-6585
Try United Way this April for their "Day of Caring". They ask for student
volunteers from area schools, this is free and the students usually have a nice
time. You can get a lot of debri picked from winter for free.
Also, ask your trustee if they have people on township assistance that can do
workfare in your cemeteries. I do this a lot during the spring, summer and
fall.
Linda Gill Grove
Researching: IN: Gill, Manor, Stout, Mann
NYC: Callaghan, McAleer, McGregor, Joyce
Rebecca:
One suggestion might be to solicit the help of the probation department
and/or sheriff's department to get help from individuals with hours to work off
for community service. As long as they are supervised, this can be a
tremendous help. In the past the Henry Co. sheriff's department has brought trusty
inmates out to the Messick Cemetery to do this work. A deputy or corrections
officer is present at all times. You can get a lot of work done in a small
amount of time with help such as this. Hopefully the landowner will accept
this type of assistance.
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN
Hi all, it's been a long time since I've posted to this list. I was at one
time the county coordinator for Elkhart and LaGrange counties, but record of
that was lost when the new site was built.
On to the point... I was recently searching for an ancestor of my husband,
James Finton, who was born in 1794. I ran across a small bit on Google that
said he was buried in Washington Twp. in "McNeil Cemetery", but the page
that it linked to no longer existed and wasn't cached by Google either. So
my father and I set out with GPS to locate this cemetery, searching for
several days in Washington Twp. to no avail. Of course, we then started
knocking on doors, feeling rather determined.
We knew the cemetery had been surveyed by Lester Binnie in the 70's and he
recorded that James Finton was buried there. We asked three people, each who
sent us to a neighbor's door for more specific directions, until we came to
the right place. The cemetery is located on private property and set back in
the woods half a mile. The landowner was a very nice gentleman who explained
a little bit about it, took us back and allowed us to explore on our own. At
one point a previous owner had pulled out the stones to make a sidewalk ( !
) but was required to put them back when word got out. He just propped them
against trees.
I have never in my life seen a cemetery overtaken by nature like this one
is. It has become what appears to be a raspberry (?) patch and is a chaotic
mess, which left us unable to tell which tombstones we had already looked at
and which we had not. Honestly, words cannot describe, so hopefully you will
be able to view these pictures:
From just a few yards away you can't tell that it IS a cemetery
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/CopyofIMG_7621.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/2c7dfe9c.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/e9acc581.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/a04de049.jpg
It was as if the vines and briars were what held the tombstones in place
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/5f8dfb8c.jpg
The stones that aren't broken are in excellent condition and quite legible
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/IMG_7618.jpg
It was described repeatedly as a Civil War cemetery and many of the burials
are young men.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/93963080.jpg
At one point a fence must have surrounded the cemetery
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Hawthornefae/IMG_7688.jpg
_____________________________________________________________________________
I have personal permission to come back and work on it and to bring trusted
volunteers. I was very pleased with the attitude of the owner, who wants to
be sure that he is present when workers are there and be involved every step
of the way. He feels a moral obligation to take care of it, but it really is
quite a diaster and too much for him to keep up with.
The raspberries need to be cut down to about knee height and then pulled out
by the roots or they will continue to come back (he has only attempted to
mow them down, but couldn't really do that because of the tombstones). It
will be a huge task.
I guess I'm looking for some advice on what to do here. There are multiple
broken stones that need to be repaired, but I do not have the expertise to
do so. There also appear to be no coordinators in the counties surrounding
Kosciusko. Someone suggested bringing in the Lion's Club, but I'm not sure
that I'm comfortable with that idea.
If anyone is nearby and interested in helping out, please contact me at this
email address.
Thank you so much for taking the time to read.
Rebecca Akens
Goshen, Indiana
In a message dated 4/8/06 5:19:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
john_boggess(a)msn.com writes:
> Can't help but wonder if this change was made because of problems like
> those
> being discussed here (egos, property ownership, etc.)?
>
> John Boggess
> Tippecanoe Co.
>
John,
Generally in the southern part of Indiana Surnames are mostly used on
cemeteries that were Deeded by an Individual, or family on their property. If
there are others buried there they were buried there with the landowners
permission, or by invitation. Most other cemeteries around here have the name of a
Church that was there at one time (maybe gone now) that were the owners of
the cemeteries. This is more often than not the case. Since most of our
cemeteries were deeded on private property by the owner, when we located some that
were lost for 75-100 years, we used the deed to name the cemetery properly to
avoid any ill will about the true name.
Jack Briles
NOTARIZED STATEMENTS~~~
unless the elderly have a diagnosis of dementia......their sworn statements
along with yours are legally binding documents...stick to the facts
who
what
where
when
why they know.
how they know
I am for some media attention about greedy developers.......
Marilynn in NM
Hi Jack,
Yes, I do remember the discussion here on the list...must have been 4 or 5 years ago?
It seems that there are quite a few of these prairie reserves around the state. I would hope that some of them are being managed well, and that the native grasses, wild flowers, and of course the cemetery monuments and other features are being closely monitored by the scientists who established and continue this experimental preseervation.
This isn't the case here at Granville as it wasn't at St. John's. The prairie grasses aren't flourishing, but diminishing. The monuments are more rapidly deteriorating than they otherwise would if the cemetery were kept up. And finally, the remains of the people who are buried here aren't safe either.
None of the conditions under which this nature preserve was initially created are being met and the status quo isn't beneficial to anyone. I can't think of a single reason why the burning should continue at Granville? If someone can make the case, I'm sure we'd all like to hear it?
Thanks for writing Jack,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
Rich,
If you remember St Johns Cemetery in Morgan Twp. in Harrison Co, it was
burned regularly. It DID DAMAGE THE STONES. It was burned by the Nature
Preserve. I was told by several on the List that I could not change their practice of
Burning Well,
I persevered and they finally relented and I met with 2
representatives of the Nature preserve (The sign said; A Division of the DNR.) I met with
them and the Twp. Trustee. We finally agreed to Remove a Large wooden State
Park type 3 x 8 ft. sign and put up a small 12 inch X 20 inch sign like a
Picture I had with me from up North somewhere. The Burning was stopped and the
Trustee mows the cemetery November 1 each year.
I know that is not what I would like to have accomplished, but it was a
Hell of a lot better treatment than the cemetery had before I complained.
This had been going on since 1980 when the earlier lazy Trustee would not mow it,
so the Nature Preserve came in and took over and said it was part of the
earlier Prairie like my Grandfather saw when he lived there. No he didn't, he
tried to kill every weed he could so his crops would grow. It seems like the DNR
is more concerned with the weeds than the cemeteries.You have to keep after
them, or they figure you will give up and they can keep up the same old stuff.
Good Luck to all on the Granville Cemetery, IM with you for what ever that is
worth.
Jack E. Briles Sr.
jackbriles(a)aol.com
New Albany, In.