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Hi Don,
Metal detectors designed for use by hobbyists to locate coins, artifacts and
the like would not be sufficient for reliably detecting most unmarked
graves. They simply aren't designed for this purpose, so the subject here
is a bit misleading.
Metal detecting enthusiasts sometimes become overly enthusiastic in their
quest for coins, jewelry and artifacts. Sadly, some of them are not blessed
with good judgment or a sense of reverence towards the dead and their
families. Some decide to ply their hobby in older cemeteries. The short of
it is that most people who use metal detectors in cemeteries aren't usually
trying to detect the remains within graves, but rather are searching for
near surface items that have been lost or mementos of value placed by
visitors near the graves of loved ones.
This isn't to suggest that actual grave robbers don't use metal detectors to
identify the location of artifacts once they open a grave. I'm sure there
are probably known cases of this; but I suspect that the majority of people
poking around in cemeteries with a metal detector are just plain insensitive
and or lacking in common courtesy to others. Their judgment is clouded by a
desire to unearth treasures.
If you see someone using a metal detector in a cemetery it may be a good
idea to find out what they're up to. They may just be someone looking for
plot markers or some other such innocent endeavor (we use them in our work).
However, if they are indeed looking for valuables this is not an acceptable
practice that is, in fact, illegal in Indiana. It may be possible to
dissuade and shame some of them through confrontation.
Sorry to hear that there have been more reports of vandalism; particularly
now during the Christmas season.
Happy Holidays,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-2949
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "crfordy" <crfordy(a)comcast.net>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] INPCRP Digest, Vol 1, Issue 35
>I know that I will probably be considered in the minority here but just to
>let you know that I sometimes take a metal detector to a cemetery. I do
>this when I suspect that there might be a burial nearby a family member
>that I cannot locate anywhere else and I suspect maybe they were buried
>with out any markers. I have done this a couple of times without any
>results. I would have hoped that Coffin Metal would have made a sound and
>then I could have used other methods such as ground imaging etc. I take
>other tools with me though and dont waste my time. I remove tree limbs,
>pull weeds, fix fence, and read stones if I have never been there before.
>To be honest with you I never gave a thought using a metal detector for
>grave robbing until I saw it posted on this site. I guess I am the Naive
>One. I guess why thats why I belong to this list is to LEARN
> Don Huffman
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I was told by several deceased old timers that cattle, and sheep were
the lawnmowers to keep some of these places clear, if only for a few
hours.
Way before lawnmowers, one guy was a kid and drove the sheep several
miles to clear the cemetery several times a year.
He said his family considered that better
than it growing up in briars and brush, and they never had any animal
damage. And while they ate, he worked on the fence and filling in
sinkholes.
I know this is a far cry from turning the herd in and leaving them there
permanently, like we see for the last half century or more. But it
might explain the attitudes of long ago.
Lee Creed
I have used a metal detector, too. And I doubt if there is anything
valuable to be dug up. All I have heard of is freaks wanting to get a
skull or bone, and this has been going on for decades, it occasionly
hits the news. Most of these people had too little to bury anything
valuable, thats what inheritance was all about. Only a fool would
assume digging up a veterans grave in Indiana would net them civil war
buttons, thats where the battlefield graverobbing comes into play.
Lee Creed
While I somewhat agree with Donna's statements, this problem actually goes
much deeper. The condition of Indiana's pioneer cemeteries in general has
been in a declining state for decades. In the 1950's and 60's, and ever since,
numerous cemeteries were lost to make way for corn and soybeans. Cattle
roamed through many a pioneer or family burial ground. Some cemeteries still
experience this today. For one reason or another, our parents' generation, and
maybe our grandparents', did not hold these grounds to be as sacred as their
forefathers. This is not the case in every circumstance, but it is in many.
It's hard to blame the kids when they are only the product of this continual
decline in appreciation and respect for our cemeteries. A government
endorsed example can be found in several cemeteries in this state where 'native'
grasses are allowed to grow and tombstones allowed to crumble. I could go on
about the small number of people who attend Memorial Day services at cemeteries
and so forth as it all goes hand in hand, but I won't. Suffice it to say
that I agree these acts are senseless, and yes, stupid. But not all the blame
can go on the perpetrators. They learned this disrespect from someone...and
there are plenty of examples to go around. Restoring and preserving our
pioneer cemeteries is a large part of what we should do, but restoring the
respect goes beyond the capabilities of any epoxy. We should take every
opportunity to instill in our own children the appreciation and respect that our
cemeteries deserve. It not only starts with you and I, but our local, state, and
national governments as well.
Merry Christmas to one and all.
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN
In a message dated 12/22/2006 3:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ralloway(a)earthlink.net writes:
Donna Belcher is on the right track.. Bob
Disgusting! This has to be the work of some stupid, selfish kids, who
proclaim themselves "courageous" for sneaking into a graveyard at night.
Real courage would be spending a night in Bagdhad! If they only appreciated
the way their ancestors lived and worked and struggled, they might have more
respect for them. Donna
Donna Belcher is on the right track.. Bob
Disgusting! This has to be the work of some stupid, selfish kids, who
proclaim themselves "courageous" for sneaking into a graveyard at night.
Real courage would be spending a night in Bagdhad! If they only appreciated
the way their ancestors lived and worked and struggled, they might have more
respect for them. Donna
Bob Alloway <ralloway(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
Vansickle cemetery AT 27th and Franklin Road in Indy, was vandalized this
week. We will probably go in the Spring and try and put things straight.
This really makes me mad.. Bob
I know that I will probably be considered in the minority here but just to
let you know that I sometimes take a metal detector to a cemetery. I do this
when I suspect that there might be a burial nearby a family member that I
cannot locate anywhere else and I suspect maybe they were buried with out
any markers. I have done this a couple of times without any results. I would
have hoped that Coffin Metal would have made a sound and then I could have
used other methods such as ground imaging etc. I take other tools with me
though and dont waste my time. I remove tree limbs, pull weeds, fix fence,
and read stones if I have never been there before. To be honest with you I
never gave a thought using a metal detector for grave robbing until I saw it
posted on this site. I guess I am the Naive One. I guess why thats why I
belong to this list is to LEARN
Don Huffman
I would like to see the pictures and it sounds like a restoration
project coming up soon!
Michelle
Bob Alloway wrote:
> Today, took pictures of vandalized stones in Vansickle cemetery on Franklin
> Road in Indy. They were toppled over on smaller stones. John Walters had a
> wookshop here in 2004. If you want to see the pictures, e-mail me.
> ralloway(a)earthlink.net Bob
>
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Here is a thought for the future.
You can always use Google and put in INPCPP.
That usually works to bring up the current page.
Hope every one gets good cemetery tools
and lots of great stuff in your stockings.
Have a great Christmas and New Years.
L.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Smead" <bsmead(a)ma.rr.com>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Website address
> Sue, It's now http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: inpcrp-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inpcrp-bounces@rootsweb.com]On
> Behalf Of Sue Silver
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:54 AM
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [INPCRP] Website address
>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> What is the address of your website now? I'm trying to refer someone to
> it
> and the old link I have isn't working!
>
> Thanks,
> Sue
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Now that makes me real mad!
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Alloway" <ralloway(a)earthlink.net>
To: <inpcrp(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] VANSICKLE CEMTERY VANDALIZED
> Today, took pictures of vandalized stones in Vansickle cemetery on
> Franklin
> Road in Indy. They were toppled over on smaller stones. John Walters had
> a
> wookshop here in 2004. If you want to see the pictures, e-mail me.
> ralloway(a)earthlink.net Bob
>
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Today, took pictures of vandalized stones in Vansickle cemetery on Franklin
Road in Indy. They were toppled over on smaller stones. John Walters had a
wookshop here in 2004. If you want to see the pictures, e-mail me.
ralloway(a)earthlink.net Bob
One day John Walters was out driving, and was going by Tullis Chapel
cemetery where stones were being knocked down on a regular basis, and found
the cemetery overrun by a local farmers cattle. He got out his camera and
recorded it. Then he had the fence repaired, to keep them out. Would the
farmer admit to it? If confronted? Probably not.
The lesson here, if I ever go by a cemetery and see someone with a metal
detector, they are going to get their picture taken for the police! Bob
In a message dated 12/19/2006 4:36:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
elasley(a)sigecom.net writes:
Just wondering, are these just a few rare incidents or are there
several other counties having problems with grave robbers?
Erniwe
Ernie,
I drive around occasionally to keep an eye on the Revolutionary, as well as
the Civil War graves, that is about all I can do for awhile, and I haven't
seen any disturbances.
Jack Briles
_jb502000(a)aol.com_ (mailto:jb502000@aol.com)
Try this one Jack: atielking(a)insightbb.com
And...Merry Christmas to you.
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-2949
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Angela Tielking, Knightstown
>
>
> Can anyone help me with Angela's and Greg's E-Mail address. The only one I
> have bounced
>
> I tried _tielking(a)Knightstown.com_ (mailto:tielking@Knightstown.com) and
> it
> bounced.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jack Briles
> _Jb502000(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Jb502000@aol.com)
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Can anyone help me with Angela's and Greg's E-Mail address. The only one I
have bounced
I tried _tielking(a)Knightstown.com_ (mailto:tielking@Knightstown.com) and it
bounced.
Thanks,
Jack Briles
_Jb502000(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Jb502000@aol.com)
yes indeed...my cousin is both the county coroner and local funeral home
director....the deceased is viewed with jewelry intact and then in the presence
of the minister and a family member...if so inclined...the jewelry is
removed.................before the coffin is closed....
Marilynn in NM
Maybe this is more common than we know. I don't bury someone every day, but
just recently returned my mother to Illinois for burial, very close to the
Indiana line. The mortician both here in Arizona and Illinois advised against
burying with any jewelry at all. If during visitation, the deceased wears
jewelry, it was removed and returned to the family. Stealing jewelry from the
dead is a new low for those unwilling to work for a living.
In Gibson Cuonty we have had several Civil War Soldiers graves dug
up, apparently by relic hunters. They do not bother to fill the
graves in when they are done, at one grave they used a section of the
wrought iron fence that was around the grave as a ladder and left it
in the hole!
Just wondering, are these just a few rare incidents or are there
several other counties having problems with grave robbers?
Erniwe
At 02:20 PM 12/19/2006, you wrote:
>I have heard of people in a cemetery with a metal
>detector, and you know they were looking for Civil War buttons. Bob