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The county recorder's office should have the grantor/grantee deed books, if
they have not been lost or destroyed by fire.
Looking in the index under "T" for trustee deeds for the section of the
township you need. Henry county used 16-10-11 (example)
for Section #(16)-township(10) and range(11) and look for church trustees
listed in the abstract. I found all of these under "Trustee."
http://hcgs.net/church.html
UEB
Henry Co., IN
INPCRP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Green" <rgreen(a)insightbb.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
> Howdy LA,
>
> Have you thought about trying to establish who the pastor and or other
> church officials were for the time period in question?
>
> If the names are known you may be able to locate ancestors. Maybe there
> are church records to be found within their personal papers (assuming that
> there are any to be found). It's a long shot I know.
>
> If the cemetery is located in a well established community, there may be
> health department records, but I suppose these would probably be found
> within one of your sources already listed.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rich Green
> Historic Archaeological Research
> 4338 Hadley Court
> West Lafayette, IN 47906
> Office: (765) 464-8735
> Mobile: (765) 427-4082
> www.har-indy.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L.A. CLUGH
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:36 PM
> Subject: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
>
>
> List,
> I have worked with a lady who is seeking information on a Church cemetery
> in
> Indiana.
> She has been through all the normal people and place in the County and
> the
> State
> Library and Fort Wayne too. This was a Presbyterian church and she has
> also
> checked
> with the National Church archives. No one knows anything about this so
> far.
> The building is long gone, the Church was listed in the 1878? Atlas. It
> must
> have closed
> before the 1880's.
>
> So my question to you all. If we were to create a list of places to
> look
> for
> information on who is buried in a cemetery, where would you look?
> I will be glad to collect all your wonderful ideas for a page for future
> researchers.
>
> Most of these are burials before 1880's. Records end up in the strangest
> places.
>
> L.A.
>
> Other than:
> County Historical Society
> County Library
> County Courthouse
> County Historians
> State Library
> Fort Wayne Library
> LDS microfilms
> Church Archives
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
>
The Church is know as Mount Hope in Clinton County. Sorry about that.
About 2 miles out of Rossville on CR 700 N.
All very good ideas Kyle. I will add these to the list and
Ask her again. I know she made the rounds through all the
offices earlier this year. Jeez our Recorder doesn't have all that good stuff.
They do have some plats. And a few cemetery books with recorded deeds
for a couple of big cemeteries in town.
She also has the burial list in Excel, which I use too, this way it
can be sorted for the library trips to that microfilm for obituaries.
I also forgot to mention she started with the Trustee. And has
been talking to the Genealogy society as well.
Health Department Records didn't start in Indiana until 1882 and some
counties didn't get started until much later.
And Angela, just read your message. Yes I forgot to mention she has
dissected the county history books too. It mentions the Church but that
is it.
All good things for that list. Thanks everyone.
Good night all!
LAC
----- Original Message -----
From: <KidClerk(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
> L.A.
>
> The sources you cited are quite general, so I'm not sure where in the
> 'courthouse' you are referring to. But for the sake of it anyway, there are two
> possible types of records in the county recorder's office. The first is the deed
> records, where cemetery plots could be recorded. The other is a cemetery
> book, where the same type of record could be found. Also, in some cemetery
> records in the recorder's office are found the organizational documents of when the
> cemetery was organized, if it was governed by a board. Some of our original
> cemetery plat maps are also recorded in this office...
>
> The only other source I would know of having used them myself are
> obituaries/death notices in local newspapers.
>
> It sounds as if all most, if not all, bases have been covered. Your only
> hope would be that the records are in private hands and that they may surface
> some day...
>
> Kyle
>
> > List,
> > I have worked with a lady who is seeking information on a Church cemetery
> > in Indiana.
> > She has been through all the normal people and place in the County and the
> > State Library and Fort Wayne too. This was a Presbyterian church and she has
> > also checked with the National Church archives. No one knows anything about
> > this so far. The building is long gone, the Church was listed in the 1878? Atlas. It
> > must have closed before the 1880's.
> >
> > So my question to you all. If we were to create a list of places to look
> > for information on who is buried in a cemetery, where would you look?
> > I will be glad to collect all your wonderful ideas for a page for future
> > researchers.
> >
> > Most of these are burials before 1880's. Records end up in the strangest
> > places.
> >
> > L.A.
> >
> > Other than:
> > County Historical Society
> > County Library
> > County Courthouse
> > County Historians
> > State Library
> > Fort Wayne Library
> > LDS microfilms
> > Church Archives
> >
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
>
>
Oh good points. I know there are no maps for my county.
I had forgotten that one. I will add these to the list.
And the have her check the Veterans office and Legions too.
Good leads.
LA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alloway" <ralloway(a)earthlink.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
> I found the original plat map of our cemetery, on linen cloth, which was
> said to be destroyed, in the township trustees office, which had taken it
> over when the cemetery was abandon.
>
> Also, at the state archives, on 30th Street, they have many W.P.A maps of
> Veterans and where they were buried, which gives clues to the layout of most
> farm and church cemeteries and the grid location. ..cousin Bob
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
Hello,
I will expand on Rich's suggestion. Has she checked for a book written about
the county's history? The author usually wrote about all the churches in the
county, the churches' history, pastors, etc... Maybe she could find
something useful in there?
Angela Tielking
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Green [mailto:rgreen@insightbb.com]
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:08 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
Howdy LA,
Have you thought about trying to establish who the pastor and or other
church officials were for the time period in question?
If the names are known you may be able to locate ancestors. Maybe there are
church records to be found within their personal papers (assuming that there
are any to be found). It's a long shot I know.
If the cemetery is located in a well established community, there may be
health department records, but I suppose these would probably be found
within one of your sources already listed.
Good luck,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: L.A. CLUGH
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
List,
I have worked with a lady who is seeking information on a Church cemetery
in
Indiana.
She has been through all the normal people and place in the County and the
State
Library and Fort Wayne too. This was a Presbyterian church and she has
also
checked
with the National Church archives. No one knows anything about this so
far.
The building is long gone, the Church was listed in the 1878? Atlas. It
must
have closed
before the 1880's.
So my question to you all. If we were to create a list of places to look
for
information on who is buried in a cemetery, where would you look?
I will be glad to collect all your wonderful ideas for a page for future
researchers.
Most of these are burials before 1880's. Records end up in the strangest
places.
L.A.
Other than:
County Historical Society
County Library
County Courthouse
County Historians
State Library
Fort Wayne Library
LDS microfilms
Church Archives
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
LA:
I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING EARLIER....DO YOU KNOW WHAT COUNTY SHE IS
LOOKING FOR?
IF MOST ARE LIKE WE ARE, WE HAVE VISITED ALL OUR CEMETERIES AND HAVE SOME
KNOWLEDGE OF THE HISTORY OF THEM.
THANKS,
JOAN WRAY
TIPTON COUNTY
----- Original Message -----
From: "L.A. CLUGH" <Clugh_la(a)msn.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
List,
I have worked with a lady who is seeking information on a Church cemetery in
Indiana.
She has been through all the normal people and place in the County and the
State
Library and Fort Wayne too. This was a Presbyterian church and she has also
checked
with the National Church archives. No one knows anything about this so far.
The building is long gone, the Church was listed in the 1878? Atlas. It must
have closed
before the 1880's.
So my question to you all. If we were to create a list of places to look
for
information on who is buried in a cemetery, where would you look?
I will be glad to collect all your wonderful ideas for a page for future
researchers.
Most of these are burials before 1880's. Records end up in the strangest
places.
L.A.
Other than:
County Historical Society
County Library
County Courthouse
County Historians
State Library
Fort Wayne Library
LDS microfilms
Church Archives
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
L.A.
The sources you cited are quite general, so I'm not sure where in the
'courthouse' you are referring to. But for the sake of it anyway, there are two
possible types of records in the county recorder's office. The first is the deed
records, where cemetery plots could be recorded. The other is a cemetery
book, where the same type of record could be found. Also, in some cemetery
records in the recorder's office are found the organizational documents of when the
cemetery was organized, if it was governed by a board. Some of our original
cemetery plat maps are also recorded in this office...
The only other source I would know of having used them myself are
obituaries/death notices in local newspapers.
It sounds as if all most, if not all, bases have been covered. Your only
hope would be that the records are in private hands and that they may surface
some day...
Kyle
> List,
> I have worked with a lady who is seeking information on a Church cemetery
> in
> Indiana.
> She has been through all the normal people and place in the County and the
> State
> Library and Fort Wayne too. This was a Presbyterian church and she has
> also
> checked
> with the National Church archives. No one knows anything about this so
> far.
> The building is long gone, the Church was listed in the 1878? Atlas. It
> must
> have closed
> before the 1880's.
>
> So my question to you all. If we were to create a list of places to look
> for
> information on who is buried in a cemetery, where would you look?
> I will be glad to collect all your wonderful ideas for a page for future
> researchers.
>
> Most of these are burials before 1880's. Records end up in the strangest
> places.
>
> L.A.
>
> Other than:
> County Historical Society
> County Library
> County Courthouse
> County Historians
> State Library
> Fort Wayne Library
> LDS microfilms
> Church Archives
>
Bravo Melody and Bravo Madison County Cemetery Commission! I have ancestors
buried in several pioneer graveyards (Mendon, Busby, Perkinsville to name a
few)in the county in several townships (Fall Creek, Green, Jackson) and have
appreciated the work you folks have done. Keep up the good work, just
realize that these folks have a fundamentalist zeal with respect to
restoration techniques and you have to love them for carrying the torch and
at the same time feel good about your own efforts in fighting the good
fight. Now, can we move on???...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Hull" <thull(a)iquest.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] summary
> Well, Kyle, I started this mess by naively thinking that members of a
> pioneer cemetery restoration list would enjoying seeing that we'd saved
> the Cottrell from extinction.
> Since we'd been asked to move to a different topic, I wanted to finish
> what I started. I thought I'd bring the subject "full circle" as we say
> in the literary world. Your negative, critical comments as to the
> timeliness of the closure gives me the opportunity to add that the
> Cottrell Cemetery is preserved and those stones in cement will be standing
> for a good long time just like their predecessors in other Madison County
> cemeteries. That is what cemetery restoration is about and that is the
> bottom line, so to speak.
> Melody
>
> At 10:39 AM 9/9/2005, you wrote:
>
>>Melody:
>>
>>The whole point to all of this discussion has been regarding your methods,
>>not your intentions. I congratulate you on all of your hard work and
>>dedication...it's just that many on here believe there to be more
>>effective and proper
>>ways that would look even better than what you can accomplish. I would
>>guess
>>that many of those you cite who are pleased with your work base that on
>>the
>>condition before your work and after. That's not to say they understand
>>what you
>>are doing or how you are doing it...and quite possibly don't care as long
>>as
>>you are doing something. But if the facts were known to all of them, and
>>they
>>saw what other options were available and what other end results could be
>>had, then maybe they would agree that there are better ways. It is
>>unfortunate
>>that from everything I have read from the Madison Co posts on this list
>>that
>>these same people may never be exposed to these techniques unless they
>>travel
>>outside of your county to compare the other options that have been
>>proposed.
>>And while I will agree your Green Twp. trustee has expressed his
>>appreciation,
>>he is also on record as saying that you may not be doing the work exactly
>>correct. The fact that he is OK with that is as troubling to me as the
>>work being
>>done. Again, I think this topic is at an impasse with regards to Madison
>>County, so the best we can hope for is to have others that read these
>>posts do
>>their diligent research before undertaking any work.
>>
>>Kyle D. Conrad
>>
>>
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>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
> England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
>
Wow, I had hoped that by clearly explaining the positions of both sides this argument would subside and we could get on to more constructive comments and an exchange of ideas? The poster below; however, seems bent on continuing along the original lines.
I will try to explain again.
The act of restoration by definition is to "bring back to an original state". This is what folks here are obviously dedicated to accomplishing. While this certainly isn't feasible in all cases, it is nevertheless one of the goals of this group.
You continue to refer to your work as restoration. The original state of the monuments you are altering surely did not include PVC, stainless steel, aluminum or concrete? What you are really accomplishing then is a repair.
This fundamental difference of restoration vs. repair should adequately explain the problem that the people on this list have with the methods of repair you have described. From the standpoint of established INPCRP restoration practices, your repairs will very probably have consequences that are irreversible and restoration may therefore never be possible.
In short, I think it should be obvious that you shouldn't expect accolades for a work product that is contrary to one of the basic premises on which a group was founded. Rather than listening to voices of reason, you prefer to assume a defensive posture and continue to promote a somewhat awkward position.
I would respectfully suggest to you again, that it would be more appropriate to think along more positive lines and to start or participate in discussions that at least have a chance of resulting in a better understanding of cemetery monument restoration.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hull
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] summary
Well, Kyle, I started this mess by naively thinking that members of a
pioneer cemetery restoration list would enjoying seeing that we'd saved the
Cottrell from extinction.
Since we'd been asked to move to a different topic, I wanted to finish what
I started. I thought I'd bring the subject "full circle" as we say in the
literary world. Your negative, critical comments as to the timeliness of
the closure gives me the opportunity to add that the Cottrell Cemetery is
preserved and those stones in cement will be standing for a good long time
just like their predecessors in other Madison County cemeteries. That is
what cemetery restoration is about and that is the bottom line, so to speak.
Melody
At 10:39 AM 9/9/2005, you wrote:
>Melody:
>
>The whole point to all of this discussion has been regarding your methods,
>not your intentions. I congratulate you on all of your hard work and
>dedication...it's just that many on here believe there to be more
>effective and proper
>ways that would look even better than what you can accomplish. I would guess
>that many of those you cite who are pleased with your work base that on the
>condition before your work and after. That's not to say they understand
>what you
>are doing or how you are doing it...and quite possibly don't care as long as
>you are doing something. But if the facts were known to all of them, and
>they
>saw what other options were available and what other end results could be
>had, then maybe they would agree that there are better ways. It is
>unfortunate
>that from everything I have read from the Madison Co posts on this list that
>these same people may never be exposed to these techniques unless they travel
>outside of your county to compare the other options that have been proposed.
>And while I will agree your Green Twp. trustee has expressed his
>appreciation,
>he is also on record as saying that you may not be doing the work exactly
>correct. The fact that he is OK with that is as troubling to me as the
>work being
>done. Again, I think this topic is at an impasse with regards to Madison
>County, so the best we can hope for is to have others that read these
>posts do
>their diligent research before undertaking any work.
>
>Kyle D. Conrad
>
>
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Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
"Show me the manner in which a nation or community
cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
to high ideals."
In a message dated 9/9/2005 8:23:37 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
goaliema4ever(a)yahoo.com writes:
Mr. Hains,
You wrote:
You don't have to worry about private contractors working for the local
government, being paid by the job, and driving Zero-turn radius Xmart, or
Skagg
mowers that cut grass at 10 mph, and have a mower deck made from 1/4" thick
steel, running into any, let alone some number of headstones and damaging
them.
As an individual and a business owner who hires private contractors for
different purposes, I'm wondering why you as the "person in charge" (so to speak)
don't require the contractors you hire to do a job properly?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Please read my very first post on this forum (posted (9/6) earlier this week
where I explained the situation: I have copied and pasted it below here
with highlighting of the section that answers your question:
As member of the Madison county cemetery commission I was heavily involved
in the restoration of the Chapman- Cottrell cemetery. I just got on the
mailing list in response to e-mails forwarded to me from it by others.
The MCCC is a volunteer commission. We work under the authority of, and are
funded by the County Commissioners office. I have been on the commission
for about 7 years. We try to stay out of politics as much as absolutely
possible because our mission is to identify and restore the cemeteries in the
county to the best extent possible. In past years we had a budget of $10,000 a
year. This year, because of the financial strains so many counties in Indiana
are suffering and the economic decline of the County Seat (Anderson) over the
last couple decades since GM has pulled out the many plants it has here, our
budget was cut in half.
Now, for those that already did not know it, you have some back ground.
I want to provide some insight into our commissions thinking and experience
(which BTW has a history of restoring cemeteries in Madison county over twice
as long as the INPCRP has existed). These are not excuses but explanations
as to why we restore and remount cemetery head stones the way we do. I do not
feel we need to apologize for anything and have been disturbed that some
posters on this list think they have "just desserts" to dish out to us.
1. Concrete:
We set the tablet style headstone markers in concrete because we have no
control over who is mowing and how the cemeteries are mowed. Every year we get
calls from the public from various townships expressing concern about the
maintenance of this cemetery or that one.
After the MCCC identifies and restores a cemetery the actual maintenance of
the cemetery is passed to the county trustee.The trustees are elected and
change frequently in the 14 townships of Madison County. Some trustees take
their charge of maintaining the cemeteries in the township seriously, others do
not and the only pressure that can be brought on those that do not is purely
grass roots political pressure from the citizens of the township.
Vandalism, trees, livestock, and MOWING are among the primary modes by which
old headstones in our county cemeteries get damaged. Most of the pioneer
cemeteries in the county don't get mowed but once a month if that often and thus
the vegetation gets pretty high. No matter how much one tries, no matter how
careful one is, accidents are going to happen on occasion and we have no
guarantee that those mowing the cemeteries in the fourteen townships in the
county will always be as careful as we would like. . What other pieces of
machinery other than mowing equipment are operated near the markers in our inactive
cemeteries on a regular basis? So the use of a concrete foundation with a
curb above grade makes it highly unlikely that the old headstones, made from
softer more fragile stone will be damaged by mowing and. I have seen plenty of
these old headstones scared by just the repetitive use of a weed wacker and
others more severely damaged at ground level by what obviously was the
passage of a mower deck. Thus the decision to use concrete with a curb is a trade
off of trying to protect the headstones we reset.
I have seen comments about salts attacking the stone in the headstones. I
have seen no such problem here in any of the cemeteries I have visited and
inspected which is the vast majority of those listed on our website). What I
have seen are a few instances of old headstones snapping off an inch or two
above concrete but in every case the headstone was mounted in concrete flush
with the grade where it is susceptible to damage to mower decks.
We apply RTV silicone or epoxy at the stone-concrete interface in order to
seal it.
The concrete under grade is installed to be about 30" deep with the lower
half configured in a shape like and inverted pyramid to forestall up-lifting
from frost. We simply do not have the money to pay for the extra labor and
material to go deep enough to get below the frostline. Further, as anyone who
has actually dug in these old cemeteries knows, there is a fair chance of
hitting an actual grave as you approach 4' of depth. It simply is not possible
to establish the exact location of the rows of head stones in some cases.
2. Epoxy:
My company sells Polygem Inc. epoxies for industrial uses through out the US
and Canada and the manufacturer of that brand I sell produces many varieties
and is one of the nations leading experts on polymer rocks, plants, etc, as
used in museum displays. His company also has a whole "Mine Products" line
for epoxies and polymers used to secure anchors which keep the roofs of
underground mines from collapsing and a "Construction Products" division which among
many other products, has one that is specified by the Illinois Hwy.
department for anchoring rebar and steel pins in repairs on that states concrete
roads. I suspect that Kurt Moranuse, President and Manager of Polygem, Inc. in
west Chicago, who is a chemical engineer who formulates and manufactures
epoxies, and who is the one who recommended the epoxy we use on our markers has
forgotten more about their proper use in about any application than anyone
posting on the INPCRP board. And I suspect that I have applied a greater
quantity of various types of epoxies in various industrial applications than
anyone posting messages at the INPCRP.
3. Framing:
At one time steel was used to splint fragmented headstones in this county.
Shortly after I joined the commission I looked into finding a way to improve
on that method because the steel rusts and stains the headstones. Drilling
and doweling headstones is expensive, requires a higher skill level than
framing, and we have had to work with various contractors to maximize the work we
get done for our limited dollar. I looked into using everything from PVC to
stainless steel for the frames and in fact we did use some SS on one
cemetery. But aluminum has turned out to be the best answer for us. We spray the
portion of the frame that will be mounted in the concrete with zinc chromate
primer to ward off electrolysis and this is in fact a common method used by
design engineers in buildings, water treatment plants, etc where
aluminum-concrete interface is required. Anodized aluminum is just too expensive. PVC not
strong enough.
4. General
We HAVE researched the techniques and not just on the web but in various
books published on the subject. I and one other, at our own expense, attended a
INPCRP sponsored restoration seminar up in Kokomo a few year back. I wonder
how many of you numerous critics here have used their own personal assets to
help build a bridge for heavy equipment just to gain access to a cemetery
that needs restored? How many here have driven and walked to and into EVERY
single known pioneer cemetery in your county at your own expense in order to
get GPS coordinates for those cemeteries? How many here have used their own
time to lay out a grid system on paper then on the ground to plot the locations
of over 50 head stones. Then carefully removed those headstones using their
own equipment so a cemetery, having been overrun by livestock for years, can
be graded and landscaped before the headstones are replaced and remounted?
How many here have researched and searched for years to try and locate the
grave of every Revolutionary war veteran in their county. How many here spent
the time and effort to put together and maintain a web-site of the quality of
the MCCC site? How many here have spent hours probing inch by inch for
headstones. How many here have spent the hours and hours and hours of research
required to try and locate the graves to best extent possible. Members of the
MCCC have done these things and many more and meet the last Wednesday of 11
months of the year to coordiante our ongoing efforts. We are proud of those
efforts and our results and that includes our results at the Chapman Cottrell
cemetery which have come under such heavy criticism in this forum.
Now, I am open to constructive suggestions as how we can improve our
restoration procedures within our financial and practical limitations here in
Madison County. I am not, however open to statements or implications of that we
"are not dedicated", or deserve some "just desserts", etc because, quite
frankly, to my knowledge, I nor the MCCC answers to the IMPCRP or any of it's
members. I am here for constructive suggestions, if you have none, then I will
drop off this list.
Have at it.
Rob Hains
Member, Madison County Cemetery Commission.
Howdy LA,
Have you thought about trying to establish who the pastor and or other church officials were for the time period in question?
If the names are known you may be able to locate ancestors. Maybe there are church records to be found within their personal papers (assuming that there are any to be found). It's a long shot I know.
If the cemetery is located in a well established community, there may be health department records, but I suppose these would probably be found within one of your sources already listed.
Good luck,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: L.A. CLUGH
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:36 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Lost Church and Records
List,
I have worked with a lady who is seeking information on a Church cemetery in
Indiana.
She has been through all the normal people and place in the County and the
State
Library and Fort Wayne too. This was a Presbyterian church and she has also
checked
with the National Church archives. No one knows anything about this so far.
The building is long gone, the Church was listed in the 1878? Atlas. It must
have closed
before the 1880's.
So my question to you all. If we were to create a list of places to look
for
information on who is buried in a cemetery, where would you look?
I will be glad to collect all your wonderful ideas for a page for future
researchers.
Most of these are burials before 1880's. Records end up in the strangest
places.
L.A.
Other than:
County Historical Society
County Library
County Courthouse
County Historians
State Library
Fort Wayne Library
LDS microfilms
Church Archives
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Melody:
The whole point to all of this discussion has been regarding your methods,
not your intentions. I congratulate you on all of your hard work and
dedication...it's just that many on here believe there to be more effective and proper
ways that would look even better than what you can accomplish. I would guess
that many of those you cite who are pleased with your work base that on the
condition before your work and after. That's not to say they understand what you
are doing or how you are doing it...and quite possibly don't care as long as
you are doing something. But if the facts were known to all of them, and they
saw what other options were available and what other end results could be
had, then maybe they would agree that there are better ways. It is unfortunate
that from everything I have read from the Madison Co posts on this list that
these same people may never be exposed to these techniques unless they travel
outside of your county to compare the other options that have been proposed.
And while I will agree your Green Twp. trustee has expressed his appreciation,
he is also on record as saying that you may not be doing the work exactly
correct. The fact that he is OK with that is as troubling to me as the work being
done. Again, I think this topic is at an impasse with regards to Madison
County, so the best we can hope for is to have others that read these posts do
their diligent research before undertaking any work.
Kyle D. Conrad
Mr. Conrad,
In response to your statement, "...it is your group that has to answer for
what you are
doing and how you are doing it. If you can look at your end result and not
be bothered with what you have done, then more power to you," I answer that
yes, we can live with the end results and so can everyone else involved
with the Cottrell Cemetery.
To summarize:
1. Our Madison County Board of Commissioners, who funds our restorations,
will be very satisfied that we finished the entire work well under the
projected price or just repairing the erosion problems--$75,000.
2. The Green Township Trustee Greg Valentine has already expressed his
appreciation of and support for our efforts.
3. The residents living on property surrounding this burial ground are
very happy now with this visually attractive memorial.
4. Most importantly, the descendents of those buried at this location are
extremely pleased with the outcome--the individual graves and the entire site.
Melody
MCCC
Diane asked in a previous post:
"I'm wondering why you as the "person in charge" (so to speak) don't
require the contractors you hire to do a job properly? "
You've identified a misunderstanding that perhaps others on this list also
have. The Madison County Cemeterty Commission is not in charge of hiring
the the mowers for the cemeteries. That is the function of the individual
township trustees working on various degrees of limited budgets. We
restore a pioneer cemetery, and when completed, we turn it over to the
trustee for maintenance. That is the method of operation here in Madison
County.
Next question?
Melody
One of the things that I try to teach is that under any circumstances you
should never, ever leave anything on a stone for the next rain to wash off.
-----Original Message-----
From: scotstout(a)aol.com [mailto:scotstout@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 7:55 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] stone rubbing
thanks sharon and others. that's very helpful and informative.
regarding reading difficult tombstones, i have tried two solutions that work
well for me. 1. i use photoshop to increase the contrast of the
photographic image -- that usually works unless the stone has a lot of
stains. 2. when at the cemetery, rather than use the
big-no-no-shaving-cream, my cousins brought white corn meal & rubbed it
gently over the stone. of course, it went into the depressions and made the
stone very easy to read as well as photograph. and the rain washes it out
and it decomposes, being 100% organic. (please tell me that was ok to do.)
scot
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Howell <sshowell(a)indy.net>
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:36:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] stone rubbing
Lightweight Pellon or similar non-woven interfacing from a fabric store is
best to use. Sheets of plain newsprint have also been used, but they can
tear easily.
Use a wax made for cemetery rubbings or a fat crayon held with it's long
side against the stone. Chalk can be used, but it will rub off. I'd take
preservative spray or hair spray to spray the paper done with chalk, after
removing it from the stone, but before rolling it up to put in the car.
The best way to attach the paper to the stone is to have the paper big
enough wrap all the way around the stone -- tape the paper to itself. A
second way is to have one person hold and another person rub. Anytime
anything is taped to the stone, it had the potential of damaging the stone
when removed. Therefore, I would only use low-tack painter's tape (the blue
stuff) and CAREFULLY take it off as soon as the rubbing is done.
I used the rubbing I did as a background to a display case for Halloween. I
have photos of all my ancestors' stones. Easier to store, and sometimes
easier to read, especially if there are lichens on the stone.
Sharon Howell
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Hello the list,
This discussion seems to have reached an impasse and has become more argumentative than mutually beneficial or informative. It is unfortunate that this much bandwidth gets wasted on such an important topic with so little anticipation of understanding or compromise. Why don't we see if we can condense and recap what has been said before going any further?
Firstly, I'm sure that everyone will agree that both parties to this argument are on the same page when it comes to saving abandoned, neglected and or vandalized cemeteries. I don't think that either side questions the other's motives in this regard.
I think it's important to understand that the folks on this list are interested in and actively promoting 'restoration' of pioneer cemeteries...thus the name Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project. The restoration process necessarily involves an effort to restore broken and damaged monuments, as closely as is possible, to their original state.
Mr. Hains rightly argues the case for proactive protection of cemetery features, and in particular the need to understand the problems inherent to perpetual cemetery maintenance. Obviously, the potential for damage by careless mowing and maintenance isn't just a Madison County issue. This is a valid topic for in-depth discussion by cemetery restorationists.
But, this is where the two sides part ways. The repairs that are being made using methods intentionally designed to prevent further damage during mowing and routine maintenance are not only contrary to restoration processes recognized by the INPCRP, but very probably prohibit any future restoration of these monuments. This argument then is really about the differences between monument 'repair' and monument 'restoration'.
It occurs to me that we could get a lot closer on repair vs. restoration methods if the problem of damage caused during ongoing cemetery maintenance can somehow be satisfactorily resolved, or at the very least minimized. Maybe someone should start a new thread that addresses the maintenance and mowing issues?
In the meanwhile, I think it's adversarial and impolite to continue this discussion with 'Madison County' as the subject. This is not just a Madison County issue. I hope that the next poster will continue this discussion in the spirit of compromise.
Best Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Usa10sfgaa(a)aol.com
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Re: Madison County
In a message dated 9/8/2005 10:03:54 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
jlfelix24(a)yahoo.com writes:
I sit back and just watch this list a lot, but I
decided to chime in this time--about Madison county.
You know what? Based on the posts I have read on this board, I have gotten
the impression that most of you here live in counties that have governments
that have NOTHING to do with maintaining and MOWING the cemeteries, let
alone restoring them. The impression I am getting from a fair number of folks
here is that private individuals put in their money and time to "save" this or
that cemetery and then they find some loving and caring individual to
maintain it and mow it in perpetuity. That very few of your counties have any
funded governmental system, volunteer or otherwise to identify and restore, much
less maintain the old cemeteries. Thus in many counties, people like you
whom I am responding to, fix up whole cemeteries, including research, clearing
of vegetation, landscaping, fencing, etc, to as near original as humanly
possible with donations from private concerns or individuals or out of your own
pocket and then pay someone out of your own pockets or are lucky enough to
have some very caring and careful volunteers, who mow and maintain the
cemeteries you restore to a higher standard than we individuals here in Madison
county are able to do.
You don't have to worry about private contractors working for the local
government, being paid by the job, and driving Zero-turn radius Xmart, or Skagg
mowers that cut grass at 10 mph, and have a mower deck made from 1/4" thick
steel, running into any, let alone some number of headstones and damaging them.
That's great. But at the same time the same individuals are concerned that
there are many cemeteries they can't fix or maintain. They see cemetereis
that are decaying and they know they can't get to them. Here is our list of
cemeteries _Cemetery List_ (http://www.cemeteries-madison-co-in.com/list.htm) .
The vast majority of those listed that are not designated as "destroyed" have
been restored and are maintained by the county using paid contractors. And
the list is complete for the whole county based on the information we have
now, though as happens at times, we are just now finding out about another one
that may eventually be added to the list. But then again, the list in my old
reference from the early days of the MCC has the Cottrell cemetery listed as
"destroyed".
Who are the great people that maintain the cemeteries you restore? People
that do it out of love and not money for decades and take such great care with
the work you have done?
Rob Hains
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Mr. Hains,
You wrote:
You don't have to worry about private contractors working for the local
government, being paid by the job, and driving Zero-turn radius Xmart, or Skagg
mowers that cut grass at 10 mph, and have a mower deck made from 1/4" thick
steel, running into any, let alone some number of headstones and damaging them.
As an individual and a business owner who hires private contractors for different purposes, I'm wondering why you as the "person in charge" (so to speak) don't require the contractors you hire to do a job properly?
When I hire a contractor to do a job, the job is either done right - to the specifications or requirements I set out in the beginning - or the contractor isn't paid until it *is* done right. If the contractor causes damage, I expect the CONTRACTOR to be responsible for the repairs done correctly.
As "local government" can you not set out your expectations and require that the mowing contractors do their job properly and not destructively? Could you set aside a little of that budget you have to contract out specialized trimming around the stones?
You also wrote:
You know what? Based on the posts I have read on this board, I have gotten
the impression that most of you here live in counties that have governments
that have NOTHING to do with maintaining and MOWING the cemeteries, let
alone restoring them.
Maybe some of the cemeteries are better off when government isn't involved. Doing the job improperly is not only, in the long-term, causing more harm but if the job has to be done again in the future, it costs even more.
It sounds to me like you are trying to justify your methods because of the inablity to hire decent contractors to do the mowing.
Diana Craig Busche
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In a message dated 9/8/2005 10:03:54 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,
jlfelix24(a)yahoo.com writes:
I sit back and just watch this list a lot, but I
decided to chime in this time--about Madison county.
You know what? Based on the posts I have read on this board, I have gotten
the impression that most of you here live in counties that have governments
that have NOTHING to do with maintaining and MOWING the cemeteries, let
alone restoring them. The impression I am getting from a fair number of folks
here is that private individuals put in their money and time to "save" this or
that cemetery and then they find some loving and caring individual to
maintain it and mow it in perpetuity. That very few of your counties have any
funded governmental system, volunteer or otherwise to identify and restore, much
less maintain the old cemeteries. Thus in many counties, people like you
whom I am responding to, fix up whole cemeteries, including research, clearing
of vegetation, landscaping, fencing, etc, to as near original as humanly
possible with donations from private concerns or individuals or out of your own
pocket and then pay someone out of your own pockets or are lucky enough to
have some very caring and careful volunteers, who mow and maintain the
cemeteries you restore to a higher standard than we individuals here in Madison
county are able to do.
You don't have to worry about private contractors working for the local
government, being paid by the job, and driving Zero-turn radius Xmart, or Skagg
mowers that cut grass at 10 mph, and have a mower deck made from 1/4" thick
steel, running into any, let alone some number of headstones and damaging them.
That's great. But at the same time the same individuals are concerned that
there are many cemeteries they can't fix or maintain. They see cemetereis
that are decaying and they know they can't get to them. Here is our list of
cemeteries _Cemetery List_ (http://www.cemeteries-madison-co-in.com/list.htm) .
The vast majority of those listed that are not designated as "destroyed" have
been restored and are maintained by the county using paid contractors. And
the list is complete for the whole county based on the information we have
now, though as happens at times, we are just now finding out about another one
that may eventually be added to the list. But then again, the list in my old
reference from the early days of the MCC has the Cottrell cemetery listed as
"destroyed".
Who are the great people that maintain the cemeteries you restore? People
that do it out of love and not money for decades and take such great care with
the work you have done?
Rob Hains
Corrects were made for LaPorte Co. See below.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela" <atielking(a)insightbb.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: [INPCRP] County cemetery commission contacts
>
> Cindy,
>
> I was going through my e-mails and found yours from Aug. 5 about county
> cemetery commissions. I apologize for missing it. The list is down below.
> This would be a good time as any for the rest of the INPCRP list to look
> over the county cemetery commission contacts and see if any
changes/updates
> are needed.
> Thank you.
> Angela Tielking
> atielking(a)insightbb.com
>
> County Cemetery Commissions for the State of Indiana
>
>
>
> 1) Clark County: Inactive and not funded.
> Contact: Lois Mauk
> loismauk(a)insightbb.com
>
> 2) Dearborn County: Not funded.
> Contact: Chris McHenry
> 14684 Wilson Creek Rd.
> Lawrenceburg, IN. 47025
> (812) 926-2006
> cmchenry(a)seidata.com
>
> 3) Fayette County: Active and funded
> Contact: John "Walt" Walters
> 4521 South Co. Rd. 375 West
> Connersville, IN. 47331
> (765) 825-7313
> graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net
>
> 4) Franklin County: Active, but not funded.
> Contacts: Patricia Smith Edward Baker
> P.O. Box 209 11112 James Rd.
> Brookville, IN. 47012 Brookville, IN. 47012
> brookgen(a)juno.com
>
> 5) Hamilton County: Active
> Contact: Joe Burgess
> 384 North 11th St.
> Noblesville, IN. 46060-2146
>
> 6) Hancock County: Active and funded.
> Contact: Judy Davis-Fuller
> 123 Shade Tree Court
> Greenfield, IN. 46140
>
>
> 7) Henry County: Active, but not funded
> Contact: Donna Tauber
> P. O. Box 106
> Spiceland, IN. 47385
> dtauber(a)kiva.net
>
> 8) Jay County: Active
> Contact: Paul Pinkerton
> 5341 W. 400 N.
> Portland, IN. 47371
>
> 9) Jefferson County: Active and funded
> Contact: Jefferson County Cemetery Board
> 300 E. Main St.
> Room 103
> Madison, IN. 47250
> (812) 265-8944
>
> 10) Knox County: Active and funded
> Contact: Jon Andrews
> P.O. Box 295
> Vincennes, IN. 47591
> sianoil(a)hotmail.com
>
> 11) La Porte County: Active and funded
> Contacts: Kenneth Baker Patricia Harris
> 504
GreenwoodAve.
> Michigan
City, IN. 46360-5426
> Ken1077(a)attbi.com wpharris(a)netnitco.net
>
> 12) Madison County: Active and funded
> Contact: Melody Hull
> 110 E. 700 N.
> Alexandria, IN. 46001
> thull(a)iquest.net
>
> 13) Monroe County: Newly created
> Contact: Larry V. Stephens
> stephenL(a)indiana.edu
>
>
> 14) Newton County: Created in 2001, but cemetery commission members
> were never appointed by County Commissioners- inactive.
> Contact: Kyle Conrad
> KidClerk(a)aol.com
>
> 15) Ohio County: Active and funded
> Contact: Don Curry
> 5196 SR 56 W
> Rising Sun, IN.
>
> 16) Parke County: Active and funded
> Contact: Jim Wilcox
> P.O. Box 291
> Rockville, IN. 47872
> (765) 569-2843
> pacer73z(a)joink.com
>
> 17) Randolph County: Created Dec. 2004
> No contact info yet.
>
> 18) Scott County: Active and funded
> Contact: John Robbins, Jr.
> 1903 S. Finely Firehouse Rd.
> Scottsburg, IN. 47170
>
> 19) Sullivan County: Active and funded
> Contact: Harry Carpenter
> Hymera, IN.
> (812) 383-4921
>
> 20) Switzerland County: Inactive
> Contact: Bill Olds
> 68 Tardy Ford Rd.
> Vevay, IN. 47043
> (812) 427-3356
>
>
>
> 21) Washington County: Active
> Contact: Richard Dixon
> rdixon(a)wcrtc.net
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cklyons [mailto:cklyons@comcast.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:35 PM
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [INPCRP] Web pages
>
> I've been working on a booklet for our Township Trustees. I've been
> checking URLs to make sure my references are all working. I can't access
> the INPCRP site. I know there was a change when Brad resigned, but didn't
> that get corrected? Do I have an old link or what?
>
> I am also looking for links for any workshops this fall; I'll include in
> booklet if whoever is sponsoring has no objection. The book is going to
all
> Trustees & the 2-3 person Governing Board of townships in Delaware County.
>
> Does anyone know the approximate # of Counties that have Cemetery
> Commissions? I thought that info was somewhere in the archived messages,
> but I can't find it.
>
>
> Cindy W
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> Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname
and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a
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> Thank you.
>
Cindy,
I was going through my e-mails and found yours from Aug. 5 about county
cemetery commissions. I apologize for missing it. The list is down below.
This would be a good time as any for the rest of the INPCRP list to look
over the county cemetery commission contacts and see if any changes/updates
are needed.
Thank you.
Angela Tielking
atielking(a)insightbb.com
County Cemetery Commissions for the State of Indiana
1) Clark County: Inactive and not funded.
Contact: Lois Mauk
loismauk(a)insightbb.com
2) Dearborn County: Not funded.
Contact: Chris McHenry
14684 Wilson Creek Rd.
Lawrenceburg, IN. 47025
(812) 926-2006
cmchenry(a)seidata.com
3) Fayette County: Active and funded
Contact: John "Walt" Walters
4521 South Co. Rd. 375 West
Connersville, IN. 47331
(765) 825-7313
graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net
4) Franklin County: Active, but not funded.
Contacts: Patricia Smith Edward Baker
P.O. Box 209 11112 James Rd.
Brookville, IN. 47012 Brookville, IN. 47012
brookgen(a)juno.com
5) Hamilton County: Active
Contact: Joe Burgess
384 North 11th St.
Noblesville, IN. 46060-2146
6) Hancock County: Active and funded.
Contact: Judy Davis-Fuller
123 Shade Tree Court
Greenfield, IN. 46140
7) Henry County: Active, but not funded
Contact: Donna Tauber
P. O. Box 106
Spiceland, IN. 47385
dtauber(a)kiva.net
8) Jay County: Active
Contact: Paul Pinkerton
5341 W. 400 N.
Portland, IN. 47371
9) Jefferson County: Active and funded
Contact: Jefferson County Cemetery Board
300 E. Main St.
Room 103
Madison, IN. 47250
(812) 265-8944
10) Knox County: Active and funded
Contact: Jon Andrews
P.O. Box 295
Vincennes, IN. 47591
sianoil(a)hotmail.com
11) La Porte County: Active
Contacts: Kenneth Baker Patricia Harris
504 Greenwood
Ave.
Michigan
City, IN. 46360-5426
Ken1077(a)attbi.com wpharris(a)netnitco.net
12) Madison County: Active and funded
Contact: Melody Hull
110 E. 700 N.
Alexandria, IN. 46001
thull(a)iquest.net
13) Monroe County: Newly created
Contact: Larry V. Stephens
stephenL(a)indiana.edu
14) Newton County: Created in 2001, but cemetery commission members
were never appointed by County Commissioners- inactive.
Contact: Kyle Conrad
KidClerk(a)aol.com
15) Ohio County: Active and funded
Contact: Don Curry
5196 SR 56 W
Rising Sun, IN.
16) Parke County: Active and funded
Contact: Jim Wilcox
P.O. Box 291
Rockville, IN. 47872
(765) 569-2843
pacer73z(a)joink.com
17) Randolph County: Created Dec. 2004
No contact info yet.
18) Scott County: Active and funded
Contact: John Robbins, Jr.
1903 S. Finely Firehouse Rd.
Scottsburg, IN. 47170
19) Sullivan County: Active and funded
Contact: Harry Carpenter
Hymera, IN.
(812) 383-4921
20) Switzerland County: Inactive
Contact: Bill Olds
68 Tardy Ford Rd.
Vevay, IN. 47043
(812) 427-3356
21) Washington County: Active
Contact: Richard Dixon
rdixon(a)wcrtc.net
-----Original Message-----
From: cklyons [mailto:cklyons@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:35 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] Web pages
I've been working on a booklet for our Township Trustees. I've been
checking URLs to make sure my references are all working. I can't access
the INPCRP site. I know there was a change when Brad resigned, but didn't
that get corrected? Do I have an old link or what?
I am also looking for links for any workshops this fall; I'll include in
booklet if whoever is sponsoring has no objection. The book is going to all
Trustees & the 2-3 person Governing Board of townships in Delaware County.
Does anyone know the approximate # of Counties that have Cemetery
Commissions? I thought that info was somewhere in the archived messages,
but I can't find it.
Cindy W
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Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
I sit back and just watch this list a lot, but I
decided to chime in this time--about Madison county.
My philosophy is that I will do as much as I can
do...but do it the best way possible. If you don't
know me, I'm a junior high art teacher. I have a
two-year-old daughter and am currently getting my
masters in education degree. I have very little free
time. I do what I can do. I am the only person
working on cemeteries in Hendricks County. I work for
free. No budget, no trustee money, nothing. My own
supplies, my own time, my own sweat. And I know most
of us on this list are the same way. We do what we do
because it is important, and put so much time and
energy into it without being compensated.
I feel sick when I see all of the cemeteries in my
county that are in danger of disappearing. However, I
feel worse when I see a bad repair job. And I know
that the Madison County folks disagree about what is
bad, but after going to 110 cemeteries in my county
this summer, I firmly believe that sticking stones in
wet concrete is bad. I know that I learned that in
workshops. But truly, I'm basing that decision on
what I've seen. We really have seen the stones
breaking at the concrete level! No, it doesn't happen
on every stone, but there is a definite, undeniable
trend.
I'm not saying that what was done in Madison county
was all bad; in fact, from what I hear, most of it was
good. Lots of caring and saving of cemeteries. In my
mind, though, anything worth doing is worth doing
right. If that means spending extra hours and more of
my own money, that's what I do. If it means not
getting to as many cemeteries in a year, that's how it
has to be. If it means doing the mowing and trimming
myself to ensure the safety of stones I have restored,
that's what I'll do. On those cemeteries that are
really in danger, couldn't an option be to go find all
the stones, but leave the stones unset until there is
time and money to do it correctly? I do this in the
cemeteries I use for field trips. I go in and find
everything and then place the stones face down in
their places until the kids come to repair and reset
them. Sometimes it's a couple months. I talk to the
mowers and tell them what's going on. I've never had
any problems with them being hit. Also, to me, pouring
a new slotted base for a broken one is not that
time-consuming, especially once you're on a roll! And
20 years down the road, if we find out that that's not
the best method, I'd much rather go pull it out of the
mortar than try to chip off the concrete without
harming the stone. Reversablity seems like it should
be the primary concern.
I usually shake my head and almost laugh when I read
all of the arguments on this list. It's obvious that
everyone is so passionate about what they do that we
get carried away easily. I do think that most members
of this list have been balancing their praise of
Madison County with the urge to look into other
methods. I just hope they can see that we respect
their efforts and only mean to educate, not attack.
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