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There are still people on the INPCRP-L-REQUEST list...... just no one is
maintaining the website anymore.
I don't know if rootsweb still host the INPCRP site any more or what is
going on with it.
UEB
Henry County
INPCRP
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From: <Bjreal332(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] inpcrp web site
> In a message dated 8/27/05 10:10:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Pride1jw(a)aol.com writes:
>
>> been wondering why there was absolutely no mail anymore...Ruth Pride
>> Wheatland....
>>
> No one lefty on the list, maybe????
>
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In a message dated 8/27/05 10:10:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Pride1jw(a)aol.com writes:
> been wondering why there was absolutely no mail anymore...Ruth Pride
> Wheatland....
>
No one lefty on the list, maybe????
In a message dated 8/27/05 5:20:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, clugh_la(a)msn.com
writes:
> Until then, I know we have plenty of topics we can discuss. Here's a new
> twist on tombstones.
> http://www.local6.com/news/4863830/detail.html
i don't see it lasting...
hello. i have been trying to click on the links on the inpcrp web site (http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/), and none of them work. at the top of that page it states that the updated version is now at http://www.inpcrp.org, but that link doesn't work either. what's going on?
Anyone heard from Jack lately? I contacted him recently about a research project we are undertaking in Floyd County, but I haven't heard back from him? I'm sure that he would be interested in this one...hope his health is good.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
Hello the list,
I'm wondering if anyone on the list has ever calculated the approximate number of burials anticipated in pioneer cemeteries. That is, I'm wondering if anyone has ever tried to ascertain the density of burials from this time period in, for instance, a 1/4 or 1/2 acre cemetery site.
This would be of particular interest in determining the number of potential burials in an unmarked or partially marked cemetery. It so happens that we are currently trying to do just this and I am interested in discussing methods with anyone who has also set out to make this sort of determination in smaller 19th century cemeteries.
Thanks in advance for participating in the discussion.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
Thanks to all of you for your response to my question. Your suggestions were helpful and truly appreciated. I will explore these and let you all know if I am successful!
Teresa
For those of you who may be interested, the following information was received
from the Indiana Historical Society August 11, 2005.
Upcoming Cemetery Preservation Workshop in Kentucky
The Historical Confederation of Kentucky (HCK) and the Lexington Public Library
are co-sponsoring a cemetery preservation workshop to be held Saturday,
September 17, 2005 from 9:30 - 3:30 at the Northside Branch of the Lexington
Public Library. Attendees will receive information relating to cemetery laws,
restoration techniques, and hands on cleaning demonstration at the African
Cemetery #2 in Lexington. Cost is $20.00 for HCK members and $25.00 for non-HCK
members. A box lunch will be provided. Seating is limited and the deadline
for registering is September 9, 2005. To register, please call Ann Johnson at
502-564-1792, ext. 4404 or e-mail at <mailto:anng.johnson@ky.gov>.
_________________________
Your chances of finding a plot map of a pioneer cemetery are about 1 in
4000.
Best wishes,
Mark Davis
Stone Saver
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From: "Rahn Teresa" <whimsical61953(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:26 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Question re: Old Cemetery Plot Maps/Charts
>I am working on an old family cemetery i.e. resetting stones, grounds, etc.
>I have been trying to locate a burial plot map or chart that will identify
>who is in what grave. Some of the stones have been displaced or moved due
>to various reasons. There are also about a dozen unmarked graves in the
>cemetery I would like to identify. I have been to the county courthouse,
>the trustee of the township, checked with the funeral homes, the historical
>society and the genealogy department at the library. The cemetery is owned
>by the county/township (it is not privately owned); established in 1841;
>the last person buried there was in 1967.
>
> Any ideas? Public Health department? The county is small and cooperation
> is on the low side.
>
> Thanx,
> Teresa Rahn
>
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> Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
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Teresa:
It sounds as if you have exhausted every option I would have given you. The
only thing you did not expand on was where you searched at the courthouse.
First of all, if this cemetery was ever surveyed and lots platted and numbered,
there should be a plat recorded in the county recorder's office, and maybe one
at the surveyor's office. I would doubt this is the case if it is a smaller,
family or "neighborhood" cemetery. Second, if there were lot numbers
platted, each person who bought grave space should have been issued a deed for that
property, and that deed should have been recorded at the recorder's office.
Again, this would only be if there was a plat that described each individual
lot. This would still not prove burials, only ownership. If this has always
been a township cemetery, the responsibility would have fallen there to maintain
those records. If it was turned over to the township at some point after most
of the burials were made, the township probably wasn't given anything more
than a deed and a lifetime of expense. It's usually only after all the funds
have run out that these cemeteries are handed over to the township trustee...
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN
I am working on an old family cemetery i.e. resetting stones, grounds, etc. I have been trying to locate a burial plot map or chart that will identify who is in what grave. Some of the stones have been displaced or moved due to various reasons. There are also about a dozen unmarked graves in the cemetery I would like to identify. I have been to the county courthouse, the trustee of the township, checked with the funeral homes, the historical society and the genealogy department at the library. The cemetery is owned by the county/township (it is not privately owned); established in 1841; the last person buried there was in 1967.
Any ideas? Public Health department? The county is small and cooperation is on the low side.
Thanx,
Teresa Rahn
Cindy,
The INPCRP link on this site http://hcgs.net/hccc/links.html is still
working.
UEB
Henry Co., INPCRP
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From: "cklyons" <cklyons(a)comcast.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Web pages
> I've been working on a booklet for our Township Trustees. I've been
> checking URLs to make sure my references are all working. I can't access
> the INPCRP site. I know there was a change when Brad resigned, but didn't
> that get corrected? Do I have an old link or what?
>
> I am also looking for links for any workshops this fall; I'll include in
> booklet if whoever is sponsoring has no objection. The book is going to
> all
> Trustees & the 2-3 person Governing Board of townships in Delaware County.
>
> Does anyone know the approximate # of Counties that have Cemetery
> Commissions? I thought that info was somewhere in the archived messages,
> but I can't find it.
>
>
> Cindy W
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> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
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I've been working on a booklet for our Township Trustees. I've been
checking URLs to make sure my references are all working. I can't access
the INPCRP site. I know there was a change when Brad resigned, but didn't
that get corrected? Do I have an old link or what?
I am also looking for links for any workshops this fall; I'll include in
booklet if whoever is sponsoring has no objection. The book is going to all
Trustees & the 2-3 person Governing Board of townships in Delaware County.
Does anyone know the approximate # of Counties that have Cemetery
Commissions? I thought that info was somewhere in the archived messages,
but I can't find it.
Cindy W
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Considering that most PC oriented groups encourage the use of cemeteries for
families, groups, classrooms, etc., I think we'd be hard pressed to
discourage this. Getting people out and into the old, isolated, often
abandoned cemeteries is a goal of INPCRP isn't it? I do feel strongly
however, that the dawn to dusk laws should be enforced. Mark D mentioned
the GhostTracking groups who I know request permission from Trustees and
inform local law enforcement before visiting at night (at least the group I
was associated with was supposed to). For those serious about study of this
parapsychology, I really don't have a problem with their visiting PCs, but I
do feel their field trips should be limited to daylight hours. We are
trying to get local law enforcement to pay more attention to our cemeteries
on a regular patrol basis, it flies in face of reason to expect Sheriff
Deputies to make exceptions.
Cindy W
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In a message dated 8/4/2005 5:37:44 PM Central Standard Time,
mills(a)rnetinc.net writes:
> In my opinion, few geo-cachers will follow through with this
> communication. I don't think they will have a clue who to contact, even
> if they wanted to.
>
Then I would have no problem removing them from the cemetery...but if they
truly want to do this and remain reputable, I would say it would be a
requirement.
Kyle
Don makes a good point.
I would agree that the kind of people who participate in these kind of techno-games are probably not the sort of folks who tend to vandalize cemeteries. It would be my guess that the GeoCache crowd are as harmless as any casual visitor to cemeteries and other public places.
Incidentally, I've often thought that this would be kinda fun. However, it's one of those hobbies for participants with spare time and plenty of gas money. I imagine most are retired people...guess I won't get to play any time soon.
Regards to All,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: crfordy
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] GeoCaching and Pioneer Cemeteries
There are different kinds of GeoCaching. Some involve only signing a log
sheet to report that you have been there. Some are virtual where you record
your presence such as photograph or copy a unique message such as a tomb
stone to prove you were there and then report it on line. So the whole idea
behind the thing is to locate something and prove you did. It's a game and a
lot more worthwhile than vandalism. The parent organization also promotes
the theme of GeoCache in and Trash out. It encourages people to take a bag
with them and remove trash on their way out. I agree with Kyle. There is
nothing wrong with cemetery visitors. Who knows they may see something of a
violation and report it to authorities. A person who will harm a cemetery
will do so whether they are GeoCaching or not.
Perhaps some reading of the GeoCaching FAQ'S is in order
http://www.geocaching.com/faq/ before final judgment?
Don Huffman
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Thank you.
At 06:35 PM 8/3/2005, you wrote:
>As for placing objects in the cemetery for others to find... I really have
>no problem with that as long as it is cleared with the board/trustee and the
>caretaker is aware and it poses no problem with the mowing/maintenance.
In my opinion, few geo-cachers will follow through with this
communication. I don't think they will have a clue who to contact, even
if they wanted to.
Sharon Mills
The only geocaching I've heard of is in association with metal detecting.
Apparently it is becoming quite popular with prizes being buried in obscure
locations. I certainly hope this is not what's happening in the cemetery you
mentioned -- or any other for that matter.
Katie
Well, Mark, you know I'm not bashful. I'm happy to weigh in on this.
We had a similar situation come up shortly after I became a member of my
local cemetery board. A local church held a 'lock in' over Halloween, but before
they did, they conducted a scavenger hunt throughout the community. One of
the objects they were to locate was a particular tombstone in our cemetery and
write down what was inscribed on it. It sounded pretty neat to me, but one
older member of the congregation had quite a problem with it. She felt that a
cemetery was no place for kids to be running around. Now after our recent
vandalism problems, I would agree that kids with the wrong motives have no business
there... But her reasoning was that it was not the proper place for such an
activity. After all, this was a CEMETERY!
I, however, take a different approach to this reasoning. If we don't expect
people to visit our final resting places after we're gone...why do we bother
to put up fancy stones to show people where we're buried? Why mark them at
all? Why are we interested in preserving and restoring these pioneer cemeteries
and stones? And why do we put masonic emblems, John Deere tractors, pictures
of ourselves and family members and so forth on these stones? It's not for
our own enjoyment is it?
I think I can say this on this list and everyone who reads it will shake
their heads in agreement....I love to wander through old cemeteries and I have an
appreciation for old cemeteries. I've had this interest since I was a
youngster. I must have gotten it honestly as I've been told by former students of my
now deceased father who remember walking down the country road from their
rural school to a cemetery and having picnics under the shade trees. What
better way to develop interest and respect for cemeteries than to visit them and
get to know about the people who are buried there and the lives they led,
whenever it may have been.
As for placing objects in the cemetery for others to find... I really have
no problem with that as long as it is cleared with the board/trustee and the
caretaker is aware and it poses no problem with the mowing/maintenance. And
that it isn't there more than a couple of days/weekend. If it gets people into
the cemetery and causes them to stop and think about the people whose lives a
cemetery commemorates, then I see no problem, and in fact would welcome it. I
can assure you if it were me, I'd probably lose the contest as you wouldn't be
able to get me out of the cemetery and on to the next location! As long as
they follow the rules, don't disturb anything they're not supposed to, and
don't make a mess, I think it is a fascinating idea. Where would we all be today
if someone thought our strolling through pioneer cemeteries was taboo and
prevented us from doing it?
This makes me think of a gravestone near where my parents are buried that is
in the form of a bench. Along with the names of the couple is inscribed
something to the effect of "come sit and remember with me". Now isn't that why we
visit cemeteries? To remember...
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN