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Tom,
I need some advice, you being a Trustee, maybe you can help.
Developers are going to move a large cemetery with possibly 50 or more
burials. The Funeral Director, Pike Funeral Home is going to get $ 47,000 to
participate in the moving. NOW, the big question? The Township Trustee is going to
let the developers have the appropriate number of spaces for re-burial in an
unnamed Twp. cemetery FREE OF CHARGE. Is this LEGAL and ETHICAL or not? I would
think she could do this only if the Township had LEGAL ownership of this
unnamed cemetery. It is my personal opinion that she is giving away (Cemetery
Relatives Say) Township property (If they own it) and losing a potential windfall
for Twp. Maintenance of cemeteries. What will the Twp. get in return, besides a
mess? Your opinion is highly regarded. Please get back with me right away.
This is a rush.
Jack E. Briles Sr.
INPCRP Harrison-Floyd-Clark Coordinator
Po Box 444
New Albany, In. 47150
(812)282-6585
No this is what happens when people dont focus on what's important and spend
more time concentrating on the little "crap" and nick pick at every word they
dont like. You didn't read a word I wrote, you just picked out what affended
you. Everyone wants to argue and fight and judge. Like I said, I've kept my
mouth shut for a long time, until what I am reading has pissed me off. Should
Brad have made his decision without consent of everyone else, NO, but then
again, no matter what is brought up on this board, its argued. No one agrees on
anything. And then if you dare share an opinion, it is scrutinized. I want to
do more for cemetery restoration than just sit on a message board and
discuss, thats why I became involved.
In a message dated 4/27/05 8:30:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Adhough1(a)aol.com
writes:
> I think this all a bunch of shit.
This is what happens when the State coordinator goes this route
jack
I think this all a bunch of shit. I keep my mouth shut on most of the
arguements on this site, and frankly, I could care less one way or another whether
this group becomes 501c. I see the benefits of it, but it may not be the time
for it. I joined this group because I am interested in perserving pioneer
cemeterys, and I volenteered to be a regional coordinator because I wanted to
help. Getting the word out and getting volenteers into the cemeterys for
repairs was my main goal. I've asked for help on what was needed of me, and never
got a response, and sadly, alot of the county coordinators didn't know really
what they were to be doing either. It seems as if most of us go out on our own
and try to do the best we can at getting involved but we're all going in
different directions because again, this is just a message board. There really
isn't an organized group. I think it is very sad that all of this has happened
over the last few days, and I hate to see anything happen to the site. It is
after all, the main focus of this whole message board. It's what "all of us"
are all about. What I've learned in the last few months is that we've got all
these different groups involved in restoration, the IHS, the different
county commissions, the Professional Restorers, the librarys, and then we have
this site. I feel as if I've been out there, screaming, Hey, I'm here and I'd
like to get involved, and no one hears me, because again, with all these
different groups, it's going in to many different directions.
Maybe what Brad was trying to accomplish was for the INPCRP to be an
organized group that could go off into different counties, and start having actual
restorations done to where it was the INPCRP actually doing the restoration
instead of depending on those other organizations, who can't do it all. The
problem is, some have mentioned,that this is just a message board. I think we all
need to go back and look at the actual "site" as being the structure, and
this message board is nothing more than just a way to converse on what needs done
or a way for us all to stay on the right path. Maybe Brad couldn't do it all
on his own and I'm not real sure, any of us could do it any better.
If the INPCRP, the site, the people who are involved, the people on the
message board could become an actual organization and split off into different
leadership roles, maybe we could actually get something done. But if the people
involved arn't interested in that, then fine, leave it as it is. I can accept
it either way, because I will continue to get involved with or without this
group.
Every time I attend a Madison Co. Cemetery Commission meeting, I go as a
representative for the INPCRP, whether this is how I should have been
representing myself or not, I'm not sure, but my whole goal was to focus on one cemetery
that needed restored, and try to bring the INPCRP and the commission together
in order to get the restoration started. I felt, that if I was a regional
coordinator, then I could put together a workshop, possibly find the funds, and
get things started, but it hasn't happened. Again, here I am, going in my own
direction. If there had been a more organized group, I might have had some
help. I guess what I am getting at, is this is about the Indiana Pioneer
Cemetery Restoration Project, and we all need to decide whether this is just a
message board, or if there is more to it.
Amy Terry
Madison Co. Indiana
In a message dated 4/26/05 6:54:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KidClerk(a)aol.com
writes:
> I, for one, would like to see us get back to discussing the protection and
> preservation of pioneer cemeteries, the techniques used, and some success
> stories. THAT is what this list is all about. Let's get back to doing what
> we're
> good at.
>
> Kyle
>
Kyle,
I sadly agree with you. We used to discuss our problems with our Pioneer
cemeteries. Recently all of that has disappeared. We are more concerned with
notoriety. We never went along "in the Same old Rut" so to speak. We raised "Hell"
and laid our problems out for all to see, even if everyone did not always
agree. We got Laws passed, especially with Lois's Petition Drive, it did make a
difference, Rep. Lytle listened and so did others. I joined this List at Lois's
instance to reach more people then individual e-mails
We had some hot discussions by so called "Tree Huggers" and "Flower
Lovers". Well, they never stopped us and I believe most gave up and left. I even
got into it with the Nature Preserve, and won better than half of my battle.
You don't see that anymore. Where is John and Micki, who traveled from Fayette
Co. to Harrison Co. to help me on Thanksgiving Day on a cemetery that was
totally lost. There are still "Lost" cemeteries, and more "John and Micki's"
willing to help. But we don't dare mention a cemetery in bad shape. Only 2 or 3 will
respond when they are mentioned. We are to busy with "News Letters" and
"501c's" than cemeteries. I'm still working, but no one cares, they are to busy
trying to make our "Group" a national "Icon". I, like a few others, see all of
the fire going out on the long time listers.
Please, everyone stop and take a good look at what is happening to
the INPCRP and honestly tell me this is what you really want. I'm like Ernie,
South of Why 40, or 50 we are not much. But we have still tried to hang in
there, but it sure is getting tough. I'm about ready to crawl back into Harrison,
Floyd, and Clark Co.'s and let the rest go. A parting message; I have nothing
against Brad, I have never heard his voice, nor saw him, so I have no comment
about him. I suggest we let him lay out his agenda, and then judge him I for
one am near the End!
Jack E. Briles Sr. 1998-2005
The Floyd County Cemetery being restored true spelling is McMullen.
I sometimes write words the way I pronounce them. With names that
is often the exception. The restoration is being done on the McMullen
cemetery. Thank you.
All the best, Tom
glad I didn't get the e-mail address of this group to a nearby county
councilman I talked with late last week, and told him that 'we have a large group
of people in the state now who are VERY concerned about preserving old
cemeteries"... as I was glad to learn, HE IS..Had he logged on, he might have
thought otherwise........Ruth Pride Wheatland,Knox Co.
The restoration of one more pioneer cemetery has begun to take shape in a
Floyd County subdivision. Without care for the last hundred years the 75
foot square
deeded and plotted ground has no noticeable stones but professional probing
will begin
in the next few weeks. The wild trees and weeds have taken two years to
remove and now that the area is surveyed marked and fenced in the time for
restoration is near.
And this is good news.
To join volunteers for a field trip to explore the cemetery stay tuned for
updates!
All the best, Tom
Is there someone affiliated with the Henry Co. cemetery commission on list
that can let me know of your plans for the summer? I'm particularly interested
in any plans at Messick.
Thanks,
Kyle
William I had authorization when I set it up. It matters not that I am
no longer SC, I personally own the domain. You can contact the admin of
that site all you want. INPCRP can stand for many things.
I was in the process of transferring that domain to a separate account
to pass along to L.A. but since you guys want to be assholes, I'll keep
it for myself. Lois has the info for the Rootsweb site.
Don't try to pin all the blame on me. It is obvious that my vision for
the group was the same as Scott's.
As for no longer posting, who the hell are you to say I can't post
there?? I think Rootsweb would say otherwise. I simply said my peace and
moved on.
I have not done the damage. Those that complain but act upon nothing are
the one's that did the damage.
I'll enjoy watching the INPCRP continue to wallow in mediocrity.
Spurlock, You are a coward. You want to dish it but block me so you
don't have to take it.
Brad
William Spurlock wrote:
>> I have left the 'group' because of Kyle and Ernie. They think I'm on
nothing but a power trip, so hey, the powers all your boys. Have at it.
>
>
>
> The moment you announced that you announced that you were leaving
yesterday
> that should have been the very last thing the list heard from you.
At that
> very moment you gave up all rights as a member of the group, including
> running the website.
>
>
>> Web site: I took it down to prove the point that this 'group' is
nothing but an email list. You have continued to function just the same
without the web site. I had every intention of putting it back this
morning, but Kyle had to open his mouth about it.
>
>
>
> No, you took it down because you decided to act like a little child who
> takes his toys and goes home when he does not get his way.
>
>
>> And, William, I did have authorization as state coordinator.
>
>
>
> You seem to not be able to comprehend the simple concept of when you
say "I
> quit" your done, that's it, no more. You had no authorization as the SC
> because you resigned the position yesterday. And you should be able to
> understand that in this case the website supports the email group. It
exists
> for two reasons. First to provide a resource for those no matter
where they
> may be in the world seeking information on Indiana cemetery issues, and
> second to supplement the list by providing information such as
photos, etc
> that cannot be posted to the list that the members may be interested
in or
> have a need to access. It's not yours to take down to prove a point
with.
>
>> I said this week I would be setting up a separate list for admin and
other purposes and that this list would remain about restoration. But
lets not get confused with the facts.
>
>
>
> Please. Let's not get confused with the facts. The facts are that you
> decided that this was a good idea and attempted to force it through.
You did
> not have anything close to a mandate from the group as a whole indicating
> that the idea was something that they wanted to move ahead and you
yourself
> decided to do all this.
>
>> I'm sorry some of you are incapable of recognizing leadership.
>
>
>
> I have no problem in recognizing leadership. Sadly, what you're
exhibiting
> here comes closer to dictatorship.
>
>> If some of you would stop the constant crying the INPCRP might
accomplish its goals.
>
>
>
> As opposed to you who when you others don't agree with you, you pull this
> kind of crap.
> My suggestion to you is to walk away and let the group recover from
this as
> best as it can. Remove yourself from the list. You caused a great deal of
> damage to it, and most likely due to your actions a number of people
either
> have or will soon leave. Good job. I applaud you for doing an incredible
> amount of damage to one of the top cemetery preservation groups in
the world
> in such a short amount of time. God only knows what you could
accomplish if
> you had your way here.
> Do me a favor; don't bother to reply to this as I really have no
desire to
> hear anything you have to say at this point. I've blocked your email
address
> and I DO NOT expect to see this responded to on the list.
Scott and the list:
I've received two messages from Brad overnight. The first telling me that
Ernie and I are the reasons he left, the second informing me since he owns the
domain name of the web site, it's his to do with what he wants. Well, if you
haven't checked lately, it's gone.
I'm not surprised at this, but many of you may be. It's about power...this
whole issue has been about power from the very first message. Read the posts.
Now to get even, we don't have a web site. That only tells me that it's not
about us as a group, it's not about cemetery preservation as a whole....it's
about one person. It's been this way for some time...I could see it, many of
you could. Many of you have quit posting because of this. Many of you have
possibly quit posting because of me...I can take care of that.
Scott's suggestion on how to proceed is very viable. No one person can or
should do it alone. It's just like the newsletter...many people should have
minor roles to spread the work around. Some accuse us of not having vision for
progress. Some of us see the progress. Some say to proceed methodically and
slow, others say that's not progress. It's ironic to read Scott's comments on
his support for the 501c3 status, because many of us believe that will be the
end of the very group he formed. William Spurlock's first hand account tends
to support this. But nonetheless, if this group is to survive, some changes
need to occur, and I think Scott's ideas are a good starting point. Any group
needs some organization and structure, even if it were to remain informal. It
doesn't need someone of power, however.
The only thing I ask, though, is that when the discussions of a formal group
begins to take shape, and I know they will, that it be kept separate from this
rootsweb list. Change the name slightly, have a different web site, use a
different mail list, etc. and invite everyone from the INPCRP to come, look, and
join. Some will gladly, others will choose not to, but for those that don't,
they'll still have a place to call home where they can gain valuable
information and knowledge, hear about the success stories from their peers, and learn
of a newly discovered cemetery that is in need of help. That's why I joined
this monster that Scott has created.
I'm not against progress. Progress is taking what you have and making it
better while not destroying the foundation in the process. That's why I've been
such a staunch supporter of preserving this list. If all else fails, we would
still have this forum. If this forum is connected to another venture and
that venture fails, we risk losing this too. I would hope and pray that doesn't
happen, but maybe that's a risk I just haven't been willing to take. But
whatever you do...do it with the support of the majority of the people who are
here, not a select few who are hellbent on their definition of progress.
And please keep in mind, not everyone here shares the amount of time and
dedication it takes to get a formal group going. Don't be critical if only a
handful actually get involved and show up, as that's where I see problems between
the informal and formal being tied together. We've seen it with the
newsletter, we read it yesterday. Those that do get critical of those that don't.
But remember, this list has survived and prospered for eight years because of
the involvement of a few hundred people. Everyone is important, whether they
post every day or once a month. In order to encourage more participation and
spread the word of the good work we do, they will need to feel welcome no matter
which path they take. Whatever you do, don't risk losing one of the best
forums around. It's not about you or me. It's about us. That's what I took
offense at the past couple of days...the US had been forgotten.
I think Scott's got the right idea to get US back on track for now. But when
the topic of formalizing "a" group comes up again, I would encourage it to be
done separately from this forum so that we continue to do what we do best
here....discuss Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries.
Kyle D. Conrad
List,
I have left the ‘group’ because of Kyle and Ernie. They think I’m on
nothing but a power trip, so hey, the powers all your boys. Have at it.
Let’s see just how much of a power trip I was on.
Regional Coordinators: This was done in an attempt to make more people
aware of neglected pioneer cemeteries and get more people involved with
the INPCRP and cemetery restoration in general.
So Kyle, if it was about power how come you didn’t say so when you were
telling the list you didn’t think it was a good idea? Is it only about
power now that you and I are at odds with each other?
Work with IHS: I did this to get INPCRP more involved with the cemetery
workshops. Ernie, I never once said I had worked hard with Corrie
finding a location, I said I had been doing that as well as many other
things. Quite frankly, all I did was make two or three suggestions to
her, took her to visit them. And then let her take it from there. Corrie
does great work.
Media coverage: I have spent a lot of time talking to reporters about
this issue from both TV and newspapers. I don’t know what power trip I
would have from this. Seeing my name in the paper is no big deal to me.
I used to be a reporter. I’ve seen my name in print so many times since
I was 12 I don’t even notice it anymore. And as for TV, I hate being on
TV. I’ve had to do it for other things in the past and I despised it, so
I certainly wasn’t looking to be on TV.
Web site: I took it down to prove the point that this ‘group’ is nothing
but an email list. You have continued to function just the same without
the web site. I had every intention of putting it back this morning, but
Kyle had to open his mouth about it. I intend to separate it from my
account where I host my personal websites. I will turn it over to L.A.
or whoever takes it over. And Kyle, where was your offer to help with
the site when Theresa brought it up a year ago? At least I act upon my
words. As for the domain name itself, I need no authorization to use an
acronym for my domain name. That acronym can stand for something else.
And, William, I did have authorization as state coordinator.
Kyle you have repeatedly stated that it was never the intention for the
INPCRP to be anything more than a ListServ. Scott himself has stated
that it was his intention for it to become a non-profit. You are a
detriment to the INPCRP. As for the list changing if we organize, I have
stated all along that it would remain as is. Despite the fact that some
don’t believe that is possible, they seem to over look the fact that I
said this week I would be setting up a separate list for admin and other
purposes and that this list would remain about restoration. But lets not
get confused with the facts.
I’m sorry some of you are incapable of recognizing leadership. If you
believe this is about power then please tell the list how it is I’ve
done nothing for ten months but try to get more people involved and been
hassled at every attempt by those who complain about anything just to be
the one who complains.
If some of you would stop the constant crying the INPCRP might
accomplish its goals.
KidClerk(a)aol.com wrote:
>Scott and the list:
>
>I've received two messages from Brad overnight. The first telling me that
>Ernie and I are the reasons he left, the second informing me since he owns the
>domain name of the web site, it's his to do with what he wants. Well, if you
>haven't checked lately, it's gone.
>
>I'm not surprised at this, but many of you may be. It's about power...this
>whole issue has been about power from the very first message. Read the posts.
>Now to get even, we don't have a web site. That only tells me that it's not
>about us as a group, it's not about cemetery preservation as a whole....it's
>about one person. It's been this way for some time...I could see it, many of
>you could. Many of you have quit posting because of this. Many of you have
>possibly quit posting because of me...I can take care of that.
>
>Scott's suggestion on how to proceed is very viable. No one person can or
>should do it alone. It's just like the newsletter...many people should have
>minor roles to spread the work around. Some accuse us of not having vision for
>progress. Some of us see the progress. Some say to proceed methodically and
>slow, others say that's not progress. It's ironic to read Scott's comments on
>his support for the 501c3 status, because many of us believe that will be the
>end of the very group he formed. William Spurlock's first hand account tends
>to support this. But nonetheless, if this group is to survive, some changes
>need to occur, and I think Scott's ideas are a good starting point. Any group
>needs some organization and structure, even if it were to remain informal. It
>doesn't need someone of power, however.
>
>The only thing I ask, though, is that when the discussions of a formal group
>begins to take shape, and I know they will, that it be kept separate from this
>rootsweb list. Change the name slightly, have a different web site, use a
>different mail list, etc. and invite everyone from the INPCRP to come, look, and
>join. Some will gladly, others will choose not to, but for those that don't,
>they'll still have a place to call home where they can gain valuable
>information and knowledge, hear about the success stories from their peers, and learn
>of a newly discovered cemetery that is in need of help. That's why I joined
>this monster that Scott has created.
>
>I'm not against progress. Progress is taking what you have and making it
>better while not destroying the foundation in the process. That's why I've been
>such a staunch supporter of preserving this list. If all else fails, we would
>still have this forum. If this forum is connected to another venture and
>that venture fails, we risk losing this too. I would hope and pray that doesn't
>happen, but maybe that's a risk I just haven't been willing to take. But
>whatever you do...do it with the support of the majority of the people who are
>here, not a select few who are hellbent on their definition of progress.
>
>And please keep in mind, not everyone here shares the amount of time and
>dedication it takes to get a formal group going. Don't be critical if only a
>handful actually get involved and show up, as that's where I see problems between
>the informal and formal being tied together. We've seen it with the
>newsletter, we read it yesterday. Those that do get critical of those that don't.
>But remember, this list has survived and prospered for eight years because of
>the involvement of a few hundred people. Everyone is important, whether they
>post every day or once a month. In order to encourage more participation and
>spread the word of the good work we do, they will need to feel welcome no matter
>which path they take. Whatever you do, don't risk losing one of the best
>forums around. It's not about you or me. It's about us. That's what I took
>offense at the past couple of days...the US had been forgotten.
>
>I think Scott's got the right idea to get US back on track for now. But when
>the topic of formalizing "a" group comes up again, I would encourage it to be
>done separately from this forum so that we continue to do what we do best
>here....discuss Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries.
>
>Kyle D. Conrad
>
>
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>Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England
>and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
>
>
>
>
You are correct Kyle. There needs to be a separate venue for the
administrative discussions of the group to keep it separate from the
business of the primary mail list. We need to stop fouling the list
with non-cemetery related discussions.
INPCRP Members, Listeners, and Friends:
I have been reading all the posts about the topic of 501c3 status. I am
dismayed to see that this discussion has opened such a wide rift in the
INPCRP. Dismayed but not surprised. We are a widely varied group with
many levels of experience and expertise. We also have widely varied
opinions about pretty much everything. Not only is this variety our
greatest weakness, it is our greatest strength. I have been a manager
in business community for many years and the most successful teams I
have assembled have been ones in which the members often disagreed.
They always seem to find the very best solutions to the problems they
are presented. I don't think the INPCRP is any different.
I would like to say for the record that I support the idea of obtaining
501c3 nfp status for the organization. Why? (and this is only my
opinion): The best reason is to legitimize the INPCRP; 501c3 would force
the election of officers, creation of bylaws, and require a formal
structure for the organization. One of the major problems we have is
money to support efforts. Full scale restoration is very expensive and
nfp status under 501c3 would allow us to aggregate and dispense funding
for approved projects. Corporate leaders are not willing to donate
substantial money to any cause unless they can write-off the
contribution as charity to an NFP organization. There are a few other
reasons I like the idea.
There are also a few opposing reasons that I can see: It can be a
costly and time consuming process. By the very nature of the process,
it forces change in the organization and change is something that most
people do not like. In our case, it forfeits one of our "comfort
factors", that being informality.
I also believe that 501c3 status is something we must pursue slowly. We
cannot lunge forward until we have better defined ourselves as an
group; Who are we? What do we want to accomplish? What do we want to
become?
Organization is something we must strive to develop if we are to survive
and continue to evolve. The INPCRP is, at this juncture, an impotent
discussion forum. Valuable, at times insightful, yes but still
impotent. That being said and if Brad has indeed abdicated his position
(and I hope he has not) I propose the following:
1. As a group, let us define the responsibilities of the
state-level membership (state coordinator).
2. Do away with the position of State Coordinator. Instead, let us
elect a steering committee consisting of five individuals who will
collectively assume the responsibilities defined above.
3. The steering committee will be responsible for electing from
among themselves, a committee chairperson.
4. Steering committee members should serve a fixed term of office
and should not serve consecutive terms.
The primary goal of the changes above would be:
1. Ease the considerable burden placed on a single elected individual.
2. Provide a more comprehensive decision making body for the group.
3. Take the first steps to provide the much needed framework of
organization.
I would like for this to be discussed by the group. I am sure that many
of you have different ideas or better ideas than my own and I would like
to hear them.
Sincerely,
Scott Satterthwaite
I will 2nd the nomination
Quoting cklyons <cklyons(a)comcast.net>:
> regardless of anyone feels about Brad's pushing for 501c3 status, I think
> any would be hard pressed to name a single person other than Scot when he
> formed the group, or Walt when he allowed publication of his recipes, who
> has done more for INPCRP than Brad.
>
> If the State Coors job is open, I'd like to nominate Brad. Are there
> others?
>
> Cindy Welch
>
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Theresa:
I am in agreement with you on this, but I hope everyone can look and see how
easily it could have been avoided, and what really was the cause of it all.
It appears that over the course of the last several months, the focus of this
list has been detracted away from what it is...a discussion mail list, to
trying to make more out of it. Your comment of "maybe that is not the way to go"
is exactly what several of us have been saying for quite some time.
Unfortunately, Some people just wouldn't take that for an answer. Please understand
that I don't fault people for wanting more...but there are times and places for
such things, the time might be right, but this is not the place. If a core
group of members of this list want to move on to bigger and better things, I
think you will find a lot of support from this list, as long as it does not
include this list. I really don't know why that was so hard to understand, but it
apparently was.
I, along with many other, joined this list to share ideas, gain knowledge,
and occasionally vent our frustrations. As LA so accurately pointed out
earlier, that's what a rootsweb mail list is for.
I'll be the first to apologize to this list for my involvement. I took great
offense (and still do) to Brad's message yesterday basically informing us of
what he and (I'm assuming) a handful of others had decided to do with this
group. I thought this topic had been discussed enough and everyone realized how
potentially explosive it was. Apparently, some decisions were made without
regard to this group as a whole and you can see the fallout it has caused. I'm
still not sure I understand it all myself, but there has obviously been an
infusion of a different agenda on this list of late; and many of us have taken
exception to it. It hasn't always been this way. Back in the days when
everyone understood what this list was, and what it was going to remain, we didn't
have these problems (to such an extent)
Since realizing he obviously didn't have as much support as what he though he
would, Brad's tone has changed dramatically as well. Now we're just a bunch
of idiots who want to complain in cyberspace and go nowhere. Now that's the
spirit! I think Bill Spurlock's comments from one who has seen us grow and
prosper over the years are the best I've read today. Maybe it does appear to
someone who has only been a member of this list for a year that we are going
nowhere and won't support progress. But for those that were involved for a longer
period of time, there's much to be proud of. Too bad that can't be
recognized.
No one in these two days complained about what Brad was doing as coordinator.
His quality of work was never questioned. His dedication was not in doubt.
It still isn't.
I'm sure many will point their finger at me for being the instigator of what
has transpired here today. So be it. But respect for one's opinions goes
both ways, and it was quite apparent that Brad was willing to pursue his personal
agenda with this list no matter what toll it took. That was the risk he
apparently was willing to take. And yes, that is too bad.
I, for one, would like to see us get back to discussing the protection and
preservation of pioneer cemeteries, the techniques used, and some success
stories. THAT is what this list is all about. Let's get back to doing what we're
good at.
Kyle
Theresa:
I think you are terrific, you can do what I
would like to do.
Joan Wray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theresa Berghoff" <tres257(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] sad state of affairs
I can not believe what has happened here today. Another good person, who was
doing good work, has left the INPCRP list. Once again personal attacks have
taken over.
Rich was right in his comments this morning about on line discussion. Some
bit of civility seems to get lost.
I am trying to look at my part in this. I have pushed for more organized
efforts in legislation, education, state wide communication, and
identification for the group. Maybe that is not the way to go. I just saw so
much potential, and now it seems it is self destructing.
There is such need for support for pioneer cemeteries. If we could only all
get past all our past squabbles and hurts to work together.
I am sad beyond belief.
Theresa
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"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
I can not believe what has happened here today. Another good person, who was doing good work, has left the INPCRP list. Once again personal attacks have taken over.
Rich was right in his comments this morning about on line discussion. Some bit of civility seems to get lost.
I am trying to look at my part in this. I have pushed for more organized efforts in legislation, education, state wide communication, and identification for the group. Maybe that is not the way to go. I just saw so much potential, and now it seems it is self destructing.
There is such need for support for pioneer cemeteries. If we could only all get past all our past squabbles and hurts to work together.
I am sad beyond belief.
Theresa
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