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In a message dated 3/28/05 7:27:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bradmanz(a)insightbb.com writes:
> Don't we have a law in Indiana that says the owner has to allow family
> in there at least once a year?
Brad
Indiana law does not allow anyone to Trespass on another's property without
their permission, regardless of whether it is a cemetery or whatever.
Jack
I was contacted by someone in regards to a cemetery in Carroll Co. The
cemetery is on private property and the owner wants no one back there.
Don't we have a law in Indiana that says the owner has to allow family
in there at least once a year? If we do I can't find it. Can someone
point the way?
Thanks,
Brad
In a message dated 3/27/05 12:37:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sshowell(a)indy.net writes:
--------------------Original Message---------------
Personally, I like Indiana Graves Matter. It gives our location (Indiana)
and our subject (graves) and that we are concerned with them (they matter)
Sharon Howell
It doesn't make any difference what the name of the news letter eventually
is, "Indiana Graves Matter," is fine with me, but we will have to have something
like the following at the top.
"A Publication of The Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project" INPCRP
We will have to have an address somewhere, and also possibly 2 phone numbers
where a call can be received, as well as Computer Access. Strangers to our
group will have to know how to reach us the first time if we are going to have a
News Letter
placed in various locations.
Jack Briles
In a message dated 3/27/2005 11:37:53 AM Central Standard Time,
sshowell(a)indy.net writes:
> Personally, I like Indiana Graves Matter
I'm no English major, but if the word "The" were to be placed in front of
this (which I think is proper) it wouldn't sound as good. I think we should take
a second look at all of these suggestions as it would be used with the "The"
in the title.
Just a suggestion.
Kyle
There are several newspapers named "Guardian" in one form or another. When
I Googled "Guardian," the first ten entries came up with five places with
newspapers with that name.
Personally, I like Indiana Graves Matter. It gives our location (Indiana)
and our subject (graves) and that we are concerned with them (they matter).
Sharon Howell
In a message dated 3/26/05 10:52:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ssilver1951(a)jps.net writes:
>
> Wasn't "The Guardian" a TV series some years back? Wonder if there is a
> Copyright on the name....
---------------------------------------------------
Hi Sue,
If there is no reference to, nor attempt to profit from the TV show, Nor to
capitalize on the name, then there is no infringement. Only when you attempt
to, or profit by the name would you be guilty of a copyright violation. There
are many duplicate names in use in this country that make no reference to each
other. No Harm, No Foul. Only if the "Guardian" was in any way connected to
"Cemeteries" as used by us would we be guilty of Infringement. Also what you
copyright is the FORMAT as well as the name. If you did a smiler TV show, then
you COULD be guilty. I hold 5 Copyrights. I make sure my FORMATS are completely
different. As our newsletter would be from the Show. Completely different
Subjects.
Jack Briles
In a message dated 3/25/05 5:56:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ssattert(a)localnet.com writes:
> "The Guardian"
> "Newsletter of the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project"
>
> --Scott
---------------------------------
Scott,
I agree with you, I have Received over 200 Newsletters of different kinds in
my lifetime, and that is most impressive, simple and not to cluttered up.
Jack Briles
Floyd Co.
Last summer my family went to Knoxville, TN for a few days. We visited
the National Cemetery which has a lot of civil war dead from Indiana
from the big battle there. The link below is to a photo of a box located
at National Cem. with a listing of the burials and their location. I
thought this would be a good idea for larger cemeteries.
http://www.inpcrp.org/National_Cem_Knoxville_TN_box.JPG
And Bob Allow sent the picture at the following link. This would be a
good idea in smaller cemeteries.
http://www.inpcrp.org/locator_box.jpg
Of course these aren't practical in all cemeteries, but there are some
that they would be a nice addition to.
Brad
From the Show-Me State, they are all good. Suggest your name include Indiana
because I'm certain your publication will, like your messages, be read by
many who do not live in Indiana. Therefore, my vote would be "Indiana Grave
Matters" or a slight twist " Indiana Graves Matter".
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Green [mailto:rgreen@insightbb.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:13 AM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] Newsletter Name Suggestions
Here's the list of suggestions so far. Might be a good idea to add and
refine to this list before taking a vote on it?
Newsletter Name Suggestions
Beyond the Grave
Cemetery Restoration News
Grave Matters
Grave News
Hallowed Ground Times
Honoring our Indiana Pioneers
Indiana Cemetery Examiner
Indiana Grave Matters
Indiana Grave Restoration
Indiana Newsletter of the Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Herald
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries News and Review
Indiana Tombstone Chronicle(s)
Indiana's Bits & Pieces
INPCRP Tombstone Review (or Journal)
Monumental Undertakings
Passed Times
The Grave Times
The Monumental Task
The Tombstone Times
The Tombstone Transcript
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
L.A.,
Of the stones that have inscriptions on them, I do
know who they belong to from the lists I've compiled.
I just don't know where in the cemetery they go. I've
done plenty of research, but the burials are pretty
random. I've analyzed the burials by dates and
families...but neither give a good placement for the
"lost" stones.
I thought about a long box, but I thought it'd look
strange to have both headstones and bottom halves, and
footstones all in a long row. Plus, it'd be about 15
feet long! That's why I thought about a raised bed
and maybe have them staggered and placed in soil. Jack
mentioned having them place on concrete pads, but this
cemetery has been vandalized before, so I want these
stones to look solidly in the gound...not so inviting
to be stolen. That's another reason I was wary of the
sand.
I'm not sure...
Thanks for the suggestions.
Jessica
--- INPCRP-D-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
> From: "L.A. CLUGH" <Clugh_la(a)msn.com>
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] "Lost" Pile
>
> Hi Jessica,
> I have the same situation in one of my cemeteries.
> Difference is this one was destroyed. There is no
> way to find anymore pieces. Farmers have plowed
> the grounds down over a foot from when the stones
> were standing.
> I like the thought of a raised bed. This way your
> not putting them in cement. Part of the restoration
> process is finding where all those parts really
> belong.
> I've also thought about building a long base box in
> the ground and standing these pieces up in the slot
> in sand. John Walter told us this was the best way
> to
> preserve these pieces if you can't find the original
> location.
> That really takes time and dedication to find these
> matches, one piece at a time.
> If you are working with a list it helps. You can
> find
> the dates or partial names sometimes.
> You need to check other libraries for these. Ind.
> State
> library, Fort Wayne too. Beside any local libraries
> or Historical Societies. They can be anywhere.
> Even
> in family folders. And even a Church if there is
> one
> near by.
>
> L.A.
>
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Would those of you who participated in the IHS workshop on the Vansickle
Cemetery last year please contact me off list? I have been asked to write
an article about it, but I wasn't there.
Sharon Howell
sshowell(a)indy.net
Here's the list of suggestions so far. Might be a good idea to add and
refine to this list before taking a vote on it?
Newsletter Name Suggestions
Beyond the Grave
Cemetery Restoration News
Grave Matters
Grave News
Hallowed Ground Times
Honoring our Indiana Pioneers
Indiana Cemetery Examiner
Indiana Grave Matters
Indiana Grave Restoration
Indiana Newsletter of the Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Herald
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries News and Review
Indiana Tombstone Chronicle(s)
Indiana's Bits & Pieces
INPCRP Tombstone Review (or Journal)
Monumental Undertakings
Passed Times
The Grave Times
The Monumental Task
The Tombstone Times
The Tombstone Transcript
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
make that Memorial MINDER
~~
Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
"Genealogy- where the living ask questions of the dead- without a ouija
board."
S250 DNA Project
Crawley DNA Project
International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists
Genealogy Hall of Shame
Scism Genealogy website
Peffley'Pefley'Peffly Family Association
Montgomery County Indiana USGenWeb site
Memorial Mender? LOL
~~
Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG
"Genealogy- where the living ask questions of the dead- without a ouija
board."
S250 DNA Project
Crawley DNA Project
International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists
Genealogy Hall of Shame
Scism Genealogy website
Peffley'Pefley'Peffly Family Association
Montgomery County Indiana USGenWeb site
I agree, Jack, we need to have our name on there somewhere. I guess the size
of the logo, or whatever, is up to the Newsletter crew.
By the way, I really respect all of you who have taken on this monumental
task of this newsletter. Thank you.
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Newletter
> In a message dated 3/23/05 1:42:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tielking(a)knightstown.net writes:
>
> > ---------------Original Message----------------
>
> Maybe under that heading put Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project?
>
> Angela Tielking
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Angela,
> What about using the INPCRP LOGO. Maybe increase the size 1/2 and
> placing it center top of the front with the name chosen for the "News
letter"
> directly under it. It already has the name on it. Or leave it the same
size. ? Just
> another idea.
>
> Jack
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
Hi Jessica,
You might look into the Indiana Cemetery Heritage Signs for the Spring
Cemetery. More info at
http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/www/ihb/cemeteries/index.html
Also, you might investigate the Indiana Cemetery and Burial Grounds
Registry from the Department of Natural Resources - Division of Historic
Preservation and Archeology. More info at
http://www.in.gov/dnr/historic/cemeteries.html
Corrie E. Cook
Assistant, Local History Services
Indiana Historical Society
450 West Ohio Street
Indianapolis, IN 46202
317.233.8913
317.234.0427 fax
ccook(a)indianahistory.org
www.indianahistory.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Jessica Felix [mailto:jlfelix24@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:07 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] "Lost" Pile
Hi everyone,
I'm finishing up the Spring Cemetery that I started
with my students. (We're moving on to another in
May.) I'm looking for a good solution to the the
infamous "pile."
This pile of stones was created about 5 years ago when
some well-meaning church members walked around and
picked up all the stones on the ground and leaned them
up against a stump, which then grew over with poison
ivy. None of them can remember where they took each
one from, only that they were from all over the
cemetery. I've tried many ways of speculating where
each belongs, but I just don't feel comfortable with
any of the decisions.
There are about 15 pieces total, with 7 of them having
inscriptions. I'm pretty sure that all are pieces of
headstones, but many are worn smooth and some are only
bottom halves. Of course, none match together--that'd
be too easy!
I was thinking about making a memorial area in a
corner of the cemetery and put the stones in a raised
bed, kinda like a lumber-rimmed flower bed. They could
be set into the earth vertically and maybe put a
ground cover in there. I know there are probably over
50 more burials than stones, so I thought about adding
a plaque saying something like "In Memory of All Those
Whose Graves Remain Unmarked."
Has anyone dealt with a similar situation? Know of
any good solutions? And if I do end up adding a sign,
do you know of a cheap/easy way to create a
weather-proof sign? (I'd also like to add a sign with
the cemetery's name, since it is also unmarked.)
Thanks everyone...
Jessica Felix
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==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union,
IA
In a message dated 3/22/05 9:09:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
elasley(a)spamcop.net writes:
> Ask the print shop if they can get
> GILDAN tee shirts and sweat shirts.
I'll do that tomorrow. I have no preference, except that they hopefully last,
Thanks
Jack
Jeff is right, our name has to be on the Letter somewhere.
If I were doing it my self, I would have the "NAME" and then "AN INDIANA
PIONEER CEMETERIES RESTORATION PROJECT PUBLICATION" Then whatever contact address
used. Otherwise, how would anyone know who published it, or maybe I have
missed something.
Jack
In a message dated 3/23/05 1:42:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tielking(a)knightstown.net writes:
> ---------------Original Message----------------
Maybe under that heading put Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project?
Angela Tielking
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Angela,
What about using the INPCRP LOGO. Maybe increase the size 1/2 and
placing it center top of the front with the name chosen for the "News letter"
directly under it. It already has the name on it. Or leave it the same size. ? Just
another idea.
Jack