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Kyle,
I have been thinking about this for a while and want your opinion. IF HB1155
passes and becomes law and once ALL 92 counties have a county cemetery
commission established, what if we go back and have the language amended to
say those funds generated in each county will now stay within each county?
I brought this up at the Henry Co. Cemetery Commission meeting this evening.
I don't know if you know Doug Mathis with the Henry Co. Health Department
(who is also appointed to the cemetery commission) thinks the same way you
do about the money being divided equally to established cemetery
commissions. I said to him and I will say to you that IF all 92 counties
have their cemetery commissions in place, I would have no qualms going back
to the legislature and amending the language. I agree with you that it would
be the most fair and equitable way to do it, but please understand that one
of the "stumbling blocks" we are facing is that not every county has a
cemetery commission. This was something the list wanted when I first joined
this group over 4 years ago. And HB 1155 removes that "block".
Am I being naive again?
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: <KidClerk(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] IMPORTANT! Legislative update
> In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:12:01 PM Central Standard Time,
> mjkreps(a)tmcsmail.com writes:
>
> > Evidently none of the representatives from the "big" counties were
terribly
> > upset or overly greedy about the proposed legislation. They let good
common
> > sense rule. They evidently saw the big picture, not a me against them
> > mentality. Hopefully we can see progress made, one step at a time,
taking
> > nothing for granted.
> >
>
> Either that or they just haven't given it much thought. With a $1 billion
> deficit, it probably isn't on their radar. The state doesn't fund the
county
> health departments, so it's possible they just don't care. And I doubt
anyone
> raised the issue to give them something to think about. (No...even I let
it
> rest and did not suggest any changes to any legislators due to the overall
good
> the legislation will do. (ie: big picture)
>
> The only me against them mentality seems to be originating with a select
few
> on this list. For some reason, once you make a comment about something on
> this list, it haunts you forever.
>
> Congratulations to all for their good work.
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
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Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may
have about the INPCRP.
>
In a message dated 1/27/2005 6:12:01 PM Central Standard Time,
mjkreps(a)tmcsmail.com writes:
> Evidently none of the representatives from the "big" counties were terribly
> upset or overly greedy about the proposed legislation. They let good common
> sense rule. They evidently saw the big picture, not a me against them
> mentality. Hopefully we can see progress made, one step at a time, taking
> nothing for granted.
>
Either that or they just haven't given it much thought. With a $1 billion
deficit, it probably isn't on their radar. The state doesn't fund the county
health departments, so it's possible they just don't care. And I doubt anyone
raised the issue to give them something to think about. (No...even I let it
rest and did not suggest any changes to any legislators due to the overall good
the legislation will do. (ie: big picture)
The only me against them mentality seems to be originating with a select few
on this list. For some reason, once you make a comment about something on
this list, it haunts you forever.
Congratulations to all for their good work.
Kyle
Thank you, Linda. And thank you to all those on the legislative team. We got
this far, now let's finish the job. We will need everyone's support. If you
can't be there in person, an e-mail, handwritten note or phone call would be
wonderful.
I know not all support the bill as written. I still encourage those to
contact their representatives and explain to them why and what you would do
differently with the language.
Remember: our legislators work for us, and they cannot address our wants and
needs if you do not contact them.
Take care,
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: <LindaKen2048(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Good News!!
> Great job Angela, remind us and we will attend. (the actions of a few
will
> affect many.) I am a township trustee in Howard County and I will try to
> attend.
>
> Linda Gill Grove
> Researching:
> IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, Mann
> NYC: Callaghan, McAleer, McGregor, Coyle
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
Angela,
Info on this within a few weeks.
Mark Davis
Original Message:
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From: Gregory D. Tielking tielking(a)knightstown.net
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:51:31 -0500
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Randolph Co Cemetery Commission
Wonderful news, Mark! Congratulations to Randolph Co. For informational
purposes, will they be funded by the county? And who is the contact person?
Thank you,
Angela
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davis" <md9105(a)rogerscomputers.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Randolph Co Cemetery Commission
> As of Dec 6,2004 Randolph County,IN has established a County Cemetery
Commission.
>
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know.
>
> Mark Davis
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
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Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may
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>
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Wonderful news, Mark! Congratulations to Randolph Co. For informational
purposes, will they be funded by the county? And who is the contact person?
Thank you,
Angela
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davis" <md9105(a)rogerscomputers.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Randolph Co Cemetery Commission
> As of Dec 6,2004 Randolph County,IN has established a County Cemetery
Commission.
>
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know.
>
> Mark Davis
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Brad Manzenberger < INPCRP(a)inpcrp.org > is the INPCRP State Coordinator.
Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or comments you may
have about the INPCRP.
>
Great job Angela, remind us and we will attend. (the actions of a few will
affect many.) I am a township trustee in Howard County and I will try to
attend.
Linda Gill Grove
Researching:
IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, Mann
NYC: Callaghan, McAleer, McGregor, Coyle
Hello everyone,
H.B.1155 passed unanimously 10-0! Rep. Neese and Rep. Ripley were absent.
Rep. Tom Saunders stated that he and Rep. Win Moses (the one who really questioned the $3 increase) had a quick meeting in chamber he said and the reduction came about that way. So it is $1 fee increase for death certificates, the first one only.
Greg and I ran into Rep. Tiny Adams at the elevator going home and he was happy with the vote. He said he had spoken with his caucus to not make this "tax increase" a political issue.
HB 1155 will need to be read in the house twice. It could be referred to another committee or it could pass to the Senate or it could be defeated in the House. We will have to wait and see what happens from here. Tiny said make sure "you put it back on them". Ask them how they would feel if they found their Grandmother in a cemetery like Gard.
Larry Tippin from the list was there too. It was a pleasure meeting him.
John Molitor from Historic Landmarks was also present for the vote.
I hope the majority of you will be happy with this news.
FYI, the Local Gov't Committee will be discussing the Indy Works proposal on Feb. 2 and Feb. 9 at the Gov't Center South in either the auditorium or the conference room.
The meeting most important to us would be the Feb. 2 meeting at 3:30 p.m. It will be about twp. trustees among other topics.
Have a good evening.
Angela Tielking
Brad,
This is a great idea! So will the chats be organized to take place at a specific time? Say, 8-10 PM or the like?
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Manzenberger
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] online meetings
I have added a chat room to the web site. Next time we need to have a
meeting like Angela's recent legislative meeting, we can use this so
more people can be involved in 'real time.'
http://www.inpcrp.org/chat.html
Brad
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < INPCRP(a)inpcrp.org >
http://www.inpcrp.org
I have added a chat room to the web site. Next time we need to have a
meeting like Angela's recent legislative meeting, we can use this so
more people can be involved in 'real time.'
http://www.inpcrp.org/chat.html
Brad
The House has a live video feed online at
http://www.in.gov/legislative/session/video.html.
Gregory D. Tielking wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>Rep. Tom Saunders called me this evening to let me know what we were looking at with HB 1155 "the cemetery maintenance bill" for the Local Gov't committee meeting tomorrow.
>
>They will be voting on the bill tomorrow with no testimony. Tom has amended the language to reduce the $3 fee increase for death certificates to $1. It would only be charged on the first certificate. He was hoping it would keep it out of the Ways and Means Committee. I asked what our chances were of the bill passing. He said it looked good, but after it got out of the Local Gov't committee, he didn't know what would happen. He was happy to hear that Sen. Beverly Gard would sponsor our bill if it made it to the Senate.
>
>Also, the Utility Regulatory Commission portion of the bill is being deleted. He said it would probably keep our bill from passing. That is o.k.
>
>My husband, my two children and I are going tomorrow. I think that will be it. Greg and I will be proudly wearing our INPCRP shirts. I will let everyone know what happens.
>
>Angela Tielking
>
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>
>
Hello everyone,
Rep. Tom Saunders called me this evening to let me know what we were looking at with HB 1155 "the cemetery maintenance bill" for the Local Gov't committee meeting tomorrow.
They will be voting on the bill tomorrow with no testimony. Tom has amended the language to reduce the $3 fee increase for death certificates to $1. It would only be charged on the first certificate. He was hoping it would keep it out of the Ways and Means Committee. I asked what our chances were of the bill passing. He said it looked good, but after it got out of the Local Gov't committee, he didn't know what would happen. He was happy to hear that Sen. Beverly Gard would sponsor our bill if it made it to the Senate.
Also, the Utility Regulatory Commission portion of the bill is being deleted. He said it would probably keep our bill from passing. That is o.k.
My husband, my two children and I are going tomorrow. I think that will be it. Greg and I will be proudly wearing our INPCRP shirts. I will let everyone know what happens.
Angela Tielking
Hello Larry,
I am going. I will be wearing my INPCRP t-shirt. Theresa cannot go due to a
funeral. I don't know if anyone else is going or not.
They will probably make the amendments there if any are done and put the
bill to a vote. I was told there would be no testimony. The last meeting was
it, for now.
Thanks for asking.
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Tippin" <ltippin(a)tds.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] [Fwd: Indiana genealogy conference]
> Local Government Committee agenda says it will meet Wednesday at 3:30.
Amend
> and vote (only) on HB 1155, among other things. Anybody going? Sounds like
> no hearing, just a vote. Anybody know what the amendments are?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Manzenberger" <bradmanz(a)earthlink.net>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 2:22 PM
> Subject: [INPCRP] [Fwd: Indiana genealogy conference]
>
>
> > FYI
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Indiana genealogy conference
> > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:51:54 -0500
> > From: Meredith Thompson <mere(a)augustmoondesign.com>
> > To: <INPCRP-admin(a)rootsweb.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > I have an announcement about the Indiana Genealogical Society's upcoming
> > conference, which I thought might be of interest to the Indiana Pioneer
> > Cemeteries Restoration Project listers/coordinators. Would you consider
> > posting this to your list?
> >
> > ***********
> > Come to Anderson in April! The Holiday Inn in Anderson, Indiana (Exit 26
> on
> > I-69) will play host to the Indiana Genealogical Society's annual
> conference
> > on Saturday, April 2, 2005. George G. Morgan, noted author and
columnist
> > for Ancestry.com, will speak at four sessions. Other sessions will
focus
> on
> > family photos, school records and researching Catholic ancestors. There
> > will be various genealogy vendors and a Computer Resource Center staffed
> by
> > IGS, where attendees can view demonstrations of websites, data CDs and
> other
> > software. The Anderson Public Library (http://www.and.lib.in.us) will
> have
> > a Research Lock-in on Friday, April 1st from 5 to 8 pm. Conference and
> > vendor registration forms are available by visiting the IGS website at
> > http://www.indgensoc.org
> >
> >
> > ************************************
> > Meredith Thompson
> > Newsletter editor & website manager
> > Indiana Genealogical Society
> > http://www.indgensoc.org
> >
> > ************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org
> >
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FYI
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Indiana genealogy conference
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:51:54 -0500
From: Meredith Thompson <mere(a)augustmoondesign.com>
To: <INPCRP-admin(a)rootsweb.com>
I have an announcement about the Indiana Genealogical Society's upcoming
conference, which I thought might be of interest to the Indiana Pioneer
Cemeteries Restoration Project listers/coordinators. Would you consider
posting this to your list?
***********
Come to Anderson in April! The Holiday Inn in Anderson, Indiana (Exit 26 on
I-69) will play host to the Indiana Genealogical Society's annual conference
on Saturday, April 2, 2005. George G. Morgan, noted author and columnist
for Ancestry.com, will speak at four sessions. Other sessions will focus on
family photos, school records and researching Catholic ancestors. There
will be various genealogy vendors and a Computer Resource Center staffed by
IGS, where attendees can view demonstrations of websites, data CDs and other
software. The Anderson Public Library (http://www.and.lib.in.us) will have
a Research Lock-in on Friday, April 1st from 5 to 8 pm. Conference and
vendor registration forms are available by visiting the IGS website at
http://www.indgensoc.org
************************************
Meredith Thompson
Newsletter editor & website manager
Indiana Genealogical Society
http://www.indgensoc.org
************************************
In a message dated 1/22/2005 6:51:09 AM Central Standard Time,
bradmanz(a)earthlink.net writes:
> I don't think this would affect the formation or activities of cemetery
> commissions since they are extensions of county government, not state.
>
>
Yes, but their formation and authority to operate is granted under Indiana
statute. If the General Assembly repeals that legislation, they all go away....
I don't think this would affect the formation or activities of cemetery
commissions since they are extensions of county government, not state.
Brad
KidClerk(a)aol.com wrote:
>If I understand our new governor's agenda, he is exploring ways to streamline
>state government and cut waste. As you can see by the list of commissions
>and boards that are involved in this moratorium, there are hundreds of such
>boards and commissions in Indiana. In order to get a handle on them all, this
>legislation would basically put a halt to the activities of all of them, with
>those that the governor deems vital to the operation of state government
>receiving exemption from this legislation on a case by case basis. This 1 year
>process will allow time to study the operations of these boards to see if they are
>really warranted, or if they need restructured or combined with other boards or
>commissions to cut the red tape out of state government.
>
>Obviously, many of the boards and commissions will have to be immediately
>exempted in order to continue operating in their vital capacity. Others, like
>county cemetery commissions, may not be. Someone should contact the Legislative
>Services Office to see what this means for the county cemetery commission.
>Does it mean no county can form a new one during this one year period? Or does
>it also mean those that are in existence have no authority to operate during
>that same time period.
>
>As tough as this may be to swallow, please keep in mind how bad the financial
>condition of the state of Indiana is. I don't think the new administration
>has any intention of allowing our pioneer cemeteries to continue to
>deteriorate, but they have to get a handle on our economic crisis and budget deficit
>first. There's going to be a lot of changes ahead for state government, and a lot
>of sacrafice along the way.
>
>-Kyle
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
>
>
>
If I understand our new governor's agenda, he is exploring ways to streamline
state government and cut waste. As you can see by the list of commissions
and boards that are involved in this moratorium, there are hundreds of such
boards and commissions in Indiana. In order to get a handle on them all, this
legislation would basically put a halt to the activities of all of them, with
those that the governor deems vital to the operation of state government
receiving exemption from this legislation on a case by case basis. This 1 year
process will allow time to study the operations of these boards to see if they are
really warranted, or if they need restructured or combined with other boards or
commissions to cut the red tape out of state government.
Obviously, many of the boards and commissions will have to be immediately
exempted in order to continue operating in their vital capacity. Others, like
county cemetery commissions, may not be. Someone should contact the Legislative
Services Office to see what this means for the county cemetery commission.
Does it mean no county can form a new one during this one year period? Or does
it also mean those that are in existence have no authority to operate during
that same time period.
As tough as this may be to swallow, please keep in mind how bad the financial
condition of the state of Indiana is. I don't think the new administration
has any intention of allowing our pioneer cemeteries to continue to
deteriorate, but they have to get a handle on our economic crisis and budget deficit
first. There's going to be a lot of changes ahead for state government, and a lot
of sacrafice along the way.
-Kyle