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Hi Tom,
It was good to hear from you. I have not seen you on the list for awhile. It's good to know some of the history of what happened before i was involved with this list, there was also an interesting post from Jack about that. I appreciate all the work people have done through the years.
The ad in the convention catalog is a great idea. I didn't even know there was a convention catalog. I will talk to Debbie about that. I have been pricing business cards & flyers.I would like to get somethings out there, so more people will know about out web site. Having it in Ruth Holladay's column in the Indy Star was great. I hope anyone from INPCRP who does an interview will remember to mention it.
Theresa
NTFCANNON(a)aol.com wrote:
Theresa,
Your right the summer convention is in the summer however, the most attended
and always held in Indianapolis convention is in the fall, and just ended. In
the nineties I as a Township Trustee gave the cemetery seminars and you have
mentioned the other folks who have given them more recently. Lots of our
brother and sister members on INPCRP because of the groups newness have the feeling
Trustees did not know about the grave yards however, most townships have done
what oppurtunities allow all along as in my area the trustees always at least
many decades have been very involved. And your last questions answer is there
is only the one Indiana Township Association however, there have been two
conventions each year for a long time. Debbie Driscoll was just reelected
President and this is a good thing for our cause. FYI the 2005 summer convention is
again in Clark County. I suggest we all pitch in a couple dollars to buy an add
in the convention catalog and advertise our website. After the first of the
year give Mrs. Driscoll a call for the details. Have a great weekend and keep
those good ideas coming.
NTFCannon(a)Aol.Com (Tom Cannon)
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THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
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Spring and Fall conferences. Spring is usually up north or south and the
fall conference is in Indianapolis.
Linda Grove
Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor
Howard County, Indiana
Office: 765.628.2402
Linda Gill Grove
Surname Researching:
IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann
NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor
"Their Story Is Our Story"
In a message dated 11/20/04 6:58:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
stephenl(a)indiana.edu writes:
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> Of course there are supposed to be filings on burials, but...
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> Any thoughts on this notion?
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Most of these Cemeteries are on Private Property, or Church Property and they
both have enough problems now, without asking for more. Although, like you
imply, money talks.
Jack E. Briles Sr
ok Sorry
Brad Manzenberger <bradmanz(a)earthlink.net> wrote:I got both of them when she sent them through the list.
Rootswes is slowly sending past messages through one or two at a time
until they catch up with all the mesages sent whil the server was down.
You can imagine how many messages that actually is on one Rootsweb
seerver. Some new ones seem to get through right away and some seem to
take a little longer.
Brad
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Rats ! I spoke to half a dozen people on the list about it, and
apparently they didn't get it. I did forward it to them. Two people
on the list so far then that I know of. I hope most did receive that
email.
If not, I hope everyone takes a look in the archive.
Lee Creed
Lee,
That did come through, at least I got it and responded to her personally.
Brad
Lee wrote:
>Ruth sent a e mail to the list during our little "blackout" period,
>which was the only way I knew the list was down, it will better explain
>things.
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>I do know that her editors are always after her for breaking high
>attention news. You see how long it took her to get just this one
>article published, something that had
>been written almost entirely some time ago.
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>Contact her with your thoughts and ideas,
>keep her advised of your concerns. I know it will take time for any
>further articles, as she constantly told me "patience I will do it",
>and I was starting to wonder myself. However she did get the one out.
>I will see her on Tuesday and see whats on her mind.
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>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
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Ruth sent a e mail to the list during our little "blackout" period,
which was the only way I knew the list was down, it will better explain
things.
I do know that her editors are always after her for breaking high
attention news. You see how long it took her to get just this one
article published, something that had
been written almost entirely some time ago.
Contact her with your thoughts and ideas,
keep her advised of your concerns. I know it will take time for any
further articles, as she constantly told me "patience I will do it",
and I was starting to wonder myself. However she did get the one out.
I will see her on Tuesday and see whats on her mind.
Lee Creed
Brad wrote: Then, IMO, they need to find a way to fund them. They are obligated by
law to do so. I know we typically don't want to tick anyone off that may
be able to assist us, but I think we need to stop playing nice all the
time with the trustees who wont do what the law requires. If they aren't
doing their job then we, the people have an obligation to demand that
they do.
Brad, I agree. They also can levy a tax for cemetery upkeep. Do you think township trustees are going to do this? Heck no! They want to get re-elected next election. We pay enough taxes already. This is why I like the $3.00 increase of the death certificates. It only affects those that buy one. (I am a genealogist by hobby, so I purchase more death certificates than say the general public . I feel this is one way my ancestor's grave will be cared for. I asked several genealogists if they would be willing to pay this increase if it meant their ancestor's cemeteries would be maintained and they all answered a resounding YES!! Remember this increase goes to cemetery commissions only. They can spend their money on cemeteries on private property, township trustees cannot. )
Brad wrote on cemeteries should be public: This is a very, touchy issue for me because I am a very, very strong
supporter of private property rights. Very strong. I don't agree that
cemeteries should not be on private property. In a lot of cases,
particularly old church cemeteries, they are halfway maintained (at
least the grass is cut) only because it is in private hands. There is an
old family cemetery in Whitre Rive Twp, Johnson Co that is still owned
by a descendant of the original owner. It is the nicest pioneer cemetery
I have ever seen. If the trustee were responsible for it my guess it
would be in the same sad shape as the other cemeteries he is responsible
for. Easements, ingress and egress rights are deffinately needed. Maybe
there should also be something in the law that provides for a legal
responsibility of landowners with cemeteries to maintain them as well,
at least a minimum standard.
Angela responds: This is a very touchy issue for the majority, including me. This is why we do not have ingress and egress laws to our cemeteries, which is what I thought was one of our main hot topics to strive for.
Each cemetery seems to have its own situation. You have cemeteries that are on private property that the property owner takes very good care of, then you have others that plow them over, pull up the headstones and throw them over a fence, bury them, etc.
When I meant that cemeteries should be public, I mean they should be open for us to visit - ingress and egress, and not taking away someone's property. I did not mean for township trustees to take them over in their care. If I happened to have a cemetery on my property, I would expect descendant's to come, and I would gladly welcome them and encourage them to come. But, there are a lot of property owners that do not feel this way. They don't want them there, they don't care about the cemetery. One way to encourage property owners to allow visitation was to not hold them liable if a visitor was injured while visiting/restoring the cemetery - which is in H.B. 1441's language.
As for providing somewhere in IC codes that property owners must maintain "their" cemetery, at least at a minimum standard - I addressed this same idea at the summer study commission in July last year. (I will copy and paste my testimony that day at the bottom of this message for you)
Brad writes (as for cemeteries falling off the deed): Can it be put back on the deed?
Good question. I don't know. The way I figure it, if it was on the original deed before, put it back on. How naive of me, right?
Brad writes: 1900 (as for new establishment date or pioneer cemetery).
Angela writes: That date was the consensus of the INPCRP list.
Brad writes: Jessica Felix (on this list) also has a program she's teaching her students.
Angela says: I know! She has been extremely helpful in the emails she has sent me and we appreciate it very much.
Speech before County Government Study Commission
July 31, 2003
Good morning. My name is Angela Tielking. I am a resident of Henry County, Indiana. I serve on the Henry County Cemetery Advisory Board, Advisor to the Hancock County Cemetery Commission, Member of the Daughters of the American Revolution -Major Hugh Dinwiddie Chapter in Knightstown, and a list member of the Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project Group.
It is a privilege to speak with you today concerning our pioneer cemeteries. We appreciate your time and attention to hear our concerns about them. I would like to pass around a picture of a pioneer cemetery that I found a little over three years ago. This is Gard Cemetery, established in 1835. It is located in Brown Township, Hancock County; and this is how I found it.
Great strides have been done to protect these historic landmarks, but more has to be done. Pioneer cemeteries are defined as cemeteries established before the year 1850. Some of these cemeteries are community burial grounds. Some are small family plots.
The pioneer cemeteries that dot our landscape are little known treasures. They are a link to our past, our heritage, and our families. There are people who say these treasures are outdoor history museums and art museums. They are regarded as genealogical records because they prove that a person did exist when no other record can be found.
Pioneer cemeteries hold our veterans of previous wars, who risked or gave their lives unselfishly, courageously, and honorably for our Country. They hold community leaders, regular hardworking folks, and indigents. Cemeteries are sacred places - places to be respected no matter who is buried there. Unfortunately, most of these cemeteries and the people buried in them are not shown the respect they deserve. They lay silently, forgotten and neglected under weeds, trees and time. It is time that we treat these cemeteries with respect and as the sacred places that they are.
Some changes and additions to cemetery legislation could be done to accomplish this.
One change could be to change the wording of Indiana Code 23-14-67 (Care of Cemeteries by Counties). Section 2 (a) states: The board of commissioners of a county MAY appoint a county cemetery commission consisting of five residents of the county.
Many believe that changing the word "may" to "shall" would be a beneficial boost to our cemeteries. The distinction between the responsibility of Township Trustees and County Cemetery Commissions is different. Township trustees under Indiana Code 23-14-68 are responsible for the MAINTENANCE of abandoned and neglected cemeteries. County Cemetery Commissions are responsible for the RESTORATION of these cemeteries.
The Cemetery Commission would not necessarily have to be funded by the county (but would be appreciated if it was). What is needed is a group of people with a good heart and conscience, and the legal authority to organize clean-ups, restoration, preservation and maintenance. This dedicated group of people could work with community service workers, jail trustees and volunteers with these efforts. They can hold fund-raisers and manage donations. The establishment of a cemetery commission in every county should make a huge impact in restoring respect to our cemeteries.
Two other huge problems that are faced are landlocked cemeteries and cemeteries on private property. For landlocked cemeteries, there is simply no access to these cemeteries. One must cross private property to visit and maintain these cemeteries. Township Trustees cannot do their job because of this fact. There are landowners that will not allow access to the cemetery.
Many years ago, there were easements or access roads to these cemeteries. Over time, access to our cemeteries was farmed over or developed in one way or another. There must be some way of ingress and egress to these cemeteries without trespassing. Easements need to be provided.
As for cemeteries on private property - plain and simple, they should not be on private property. Indiana's pioneers own the cemetery in which they are buried, not current landowners. Indiana's pioneers earned that burial ground through their blood, sweat and tears. It is their right to have a final resting place in peace that is respected and lovingly maintained.
Some of these landowners go as far as removing all visible traces of a cemetery. Sure there are laws against such acts, but once an individual has done such a deed, it is done. The cemetery is gone.
Some landowners do not care for the cemeteries; and will not allow family to visit or try to maintain the cemetery themselves. This is wrong.
There is a cemetery in Clay Township, Morgan County called the Mt. Gilead Chapel Cemetery. It is unfortunate that this cemetery is located on private property. The current landowners believe cemeteries should revert to its natural state. I wonder if the people buried at Mt. Gilead would agree.
Right of ingress and egress should be provided for these cemeteries as well. If the landowner will not care for the cemetery, then someone else should. All cemeteries, no matter where they are, should be maintained. If the right of ingress and egress is not possible for a cemetery on private property, then a law should be written where the landowner MUST maintain the cemetery just like maintaining anything else on their property.
There are cemeteries that are used as prairie grass restoration areas or nature preserves like Bundy and Rogersville Cemeteries in Henry County. Why? Cemeteries should be respectfully maintained. Family members and descendants cannot visit these cemeteries. They cannot enter because of the tall "prairie grass". Cemeteries are places to visit and pay respect to our families, not to restore prairie grass.
Preserving our State's prairie grasses is important; but preserving our cemeteries is important too. Cemeteries should not be included in a prairie grass restoration area or nature preserve unless the cemetery itself is maintained and mowed to allow easy access to the cemetery.
Sometimes controlled burnings are permitted in cemeteries. Brush, grass and weeds are burned-off once or twice a year. Is this respectful? Cemeteries should be maintained regularly and in a proper manner. To allow burning in cemeteries is improper and disrespectful.
A cemetery where burn-offs have occurred is the St. Johns Cemetery in Morgan Township, Harrison County. The stones are gray from the smoke and fire. Weeds would be allowed to grow, sometimes over five feet tall, and then were burned once or twice a year. A disabled person wanted to visit this cemetery during the summer one year, but couldn't because of the tall weeds. She apparently had missed her opportunity since she didn't come after one of the annual burn-offs.
Burning damages the headstones. The damage is most likely irreparable. It is like erasing a person's existence because the engraving is no longer identifiable. Burning should not be permitted in cemeteries.
I really don't think that our pioneers, who had a hand in shaping Indiana to the great State that it has become, would have ever imagined that their gravesites would be neglected and forgotten, abandoned and forsaken. Is this how we remember our pioneers and veterans?
Mary Cook is buried at Gard Cemetery in Hancock County, Indiana. She died June 28, 1859. She was only 27 years old, three years younger than I am. On her headstone is the inscription: "Remember friends as you pass by, as you are now so once was I, as I am now so you must be, prepare for death and follow me."
In 100 years, we will all be gone. How do you want to be remembered? Or will you not be remembered at all? Will the cemetery in which you are buried look like Gard Cemetery?
This commission has the opportunity to prevent this. Please do the right thing. Do everything in your power to protect and preserve our cemeteries. I would like to close with a line from a poem titled 'This is a Cemetery' (Author Unknown): "A cemetery exists because every life is worth loving and remembering always."
We do have a packet of information for you that we will give you after testimonies. At this time, I would like members of the Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project group to stand and be recognized for their continued effort and dedication to restore and preserve Indiana's pioneer cemeteries.
Thank you.
Angela Tielking
p.s. Brad and others, if you feel I am not doing a good job with our legislative issues. Please tell me, and you can take over and be the spokesman. I will testify for what I feel is right though.
Angela
Theresa,
I honestly couldn't remember the artifact bill's language so I did not
comment on this with Tom when we talked on the phone. I will be re-educating
myself on this bill this weekend.
We need to hold a meeting with those of us who are interested in our
cemetery legislation soon. We can we do that?
Angela
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From: "Theresa Berghoff" <tres257(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Legislative update
> I was afraid we would get lumped in with the artifact bill. I will have to
go back & look at some of the emails from around the last legislative
session. What I remember is concern that in making tombstones "artifacts",
we would not be able to repair or reset them.We don't need to make our work
more difficult. We need to look at the language in that bill.
>
> Theresa
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> "Gregory D. Tielking" <tielking(a)knightstown.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I heard from Rep. Tom Saunders late last night.
> He said the Agriculture, Natural Resources and Rural Development committee
that our bill H.B. 1441 "the cemetery maintenance bill" was sent to last
session is now headed by Rep. Bob Hoffman (R) and no longer by Rep. Bob
Bischoff (D). Only the Chairman have been appointed to the committees, not
co-chair or members-at-large as of yet. Tom also mentioned that Agriculture
is now in its own committee separate from the Natural Resources and Rural
Development committee. He thought this would help us.
>
> So he suggested that a couple of us meet with Rep. Hoffman in person to
discuss our concerns and also to give him one of the legislative packets we
prepared last year.
>
> Rep. Hoffman also happens to be deskmates with Rep. Saunders. I am sure
Tom will discuss the cemetery issues with him as well. Rep. Hoffman
represents District 55 which consists of Fayette and Union counties and
parts of Wayne, Franklin and Dearborn counties.
>
> Here is the other thing, legislators are limited in the number of bills
they propose. Tom said we probably will have to combine our bill with "the
artifact bill" authored by Rep. Matt Pierce (D) from last year.
>
> So for those of us wanting to get together to discuss our legislative
opportunities, now is the time to do so. FYI, Sen. Becky Skillman was on the
County Gov't Summer Study Commission last year, she is now our Lt. Gov. Tom
said last year she was interested in the cemetery issue.
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> Angela Tielking
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Ruth surely isn't still interested in visiting the Polke cemetery is she?
Assume that was prior to the article appearing in the paper? Ruth Pride
Knox Co.
Brad,
Debbie couldn't post the 2 messages I just sent to the list last night. I think there is still aproblem somewhere .It's not just me.
Theresa
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From: Debbie Driskell [mailto:ddriskell@delawaretownship.net]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:14 PM
To: 'INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: RE: [INPCRP] trustees annual convention
That is accurate. However, for the past four years we have provided
workshops from several of the experts that participate on this list.
The workshops have been well attended and there has been a wave of
townships restoring cemeteries since the educational program began.
The
summer educational conference included classes on restoration and
preservation. We will certainly continue offering these choices and
regretfully could not build it into the program last week. I
personally
am committed, along with other association leaders, to providing good
information and encouraging trustees to take their duty of cemetery
care
very seriously. Thank you for your thoughts. -Debbie
Deborah R. Driskell
President, Indiana Township Association
Delaware Township Trustee
9090 E 131st Street
Fishers IN 46038
317.842.8595
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The Senate and House are strictly limiting the number of bills that
will
be permitted this session, so it is unlikely we will be able to get a
sponsor for anything other than emergency items or those which
demonstrate moves toward "efficiency" which is the hot item right now.
As you know, we are in a battle for survival which has been a
distraction and drain on our resources this year.
Furthermore, some of the legislation from last session is detrimental
to
local government and we will likely focus on correcting that damage
this
session. If you are able to secure a sponsor, we would more than
likely
get behind it. With the limitation on bills and the focus on the
budget, it is likely that we will only be able to find sponsors for the
emergency bills.
I sure don't want anyone to misconstrue what I'm saying - cemetery
ingress/egress is a priority to us - but if we can't get back the
levies
that many units lost last year - that will hurt cemetery care, as well.
It's a complicated mess and it needs fixing.
-Debbie
Deborah R. Driskell
Delaware Township Trustee
9090 E 131st Street
Fishers IN 46038
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I am hoping that Debbie is still on line and responds more in detail, but
yes, there is only one Association, but there is a summer conference and the
fall conference. The fall conference always includes one day sponsored by
the State Board of Accounts, and last week we also dedicated one morning to
a Rally at the State House. At the conference last week, there were several
roundtable discussions on duties of Trustees, and cemeteries were a hot
topic, so they didn't get forgotten. We did have time for a few classes,
but the emphasis this fall was on saving our jobs or we won't have
Cemeteries, Fire Departments, Township Assistance or anything else for the
matter to Trustee over. Take my word for it, Local Government is very much
in jeopardy, and it may not stop at Townships, there is also discussion of
consolidating many local elected positions......... For more info on the
Township Trustee Association, feel free to check out the ITA website
http://www.indianatownshipassoc.org/index.htm
Donna Tauber - Spiceland Township Trustee
President - Henry County Cemetery Commission
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] trustees annual convention
> I am puzzled by this. Debbie Driskell are you still online? Isn't there
only one statewide Township organization? I thought the IN Township
Association conference was in May or June. I know Walt, Micki & Danny
presented, as they have many times in the past. Mark & Helen have also
presented. Jeanie Regan- Dinius has been there representing DHPA- DNR.
> We have talked about doing a cemetery handbook for Township Trustees with
the IN Township Assoc. Right now they are busy trying to save township
government in the state.
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> there was no program on cemeteries. There were some miscellaneous comments
> which indicated misinformation and incorrect upkeep, but no program this
year.
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> I don't know who heads up that group, but it might be wise for learned
> individuals in this group to consider volunteering to present at that
event
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Theresa,
Your right the summer convention is in the summer however, the most attended
and always held in Indianapolis convention is in the fall, and just ended. In
the nineties I as a Township Trustee gave the cemetery seminars and you have
mentioned the other folks who have given them more recently. Lots of our
brother and sister members on INPCRP because of the groups newness have the feeling
Trustees did not know about the grave yards however, most townships have done
what oppurtunities allow all along as in my area the trustees always at least
many decades have been very involved. And your last questions answer is there
is only the one Indiana Township Association however, there have been two
conventions each year for a long time. Debbie Driscoll was just reelected
President and this is a good thing for our cause. FYI the 2005 summer convention is
again in Clark County. I suggest we all pitch in a couple dollars to buy an add
in the convention catalog and advertise our website. After the first of the
year give Mrs. Driscoll a call for the details. Have a great weekend and keep
those good ideas coming.
NTFCannon(a)Aol.Com (Tom Cannon)
I am puzzled by this. Debbie Driskell are you still online? Isn't there only one statewide Township organization? I thought the IN Township Association conference was in May or June. I know Walt, Micki & Danny presented, as they have many times in the past. Mark & Helen have also presented. Jeanie Regan- Dinius has been there representing DHPA- DNR.
We have talked about doing a cemetery handbook for Township Trustees with the IN Township Assoc. Right now they are busy trying to save township government in the state.
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A good friend who attended the just-ended trustees' annual convention says
there was no program on cemeteries. There were some miscellaneous comments
which indicated misinformation and incorrect upkeep, but no program this year.
I don't know who heads up that group, but it might be wise for learned
individuals in this group to consider volunteering to present at that event
on a yearly basis.
Sharon Mills
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Sorry, I am now getting thru to the list, but can't forward.
This is what I recieved
Dear Ms. Berghoff:
Per your Oct.22 inquiry regarding township cemeteries, our goal would be to provide appropriate care and maintenance for these historic cemeteries. After the city assumes responsibility for maintaining them, we would be happy to coordinate a meeting with your group ( Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project) so those assuming responsibility for maintaining the cemeteries will be aware of your concerns.
Please feel free to call me anytime at 317-327-4057 with any further questions. Thank you.
Geraldo Olivo
Office of Corporation Counsel
[City of Indianapolis]
MARION COUNTY RESIDENTS,
I will try to get some clarification of who would be responsible for the cemeteries. Please call or e-mail Mr. Olivo with your concerns. GOLIVO(a)Indygov.org
Let him know there are more people concerned about this.
Theresa
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A good friend who attended the just-ended trustees' annual convention says
there was no program on cemeteries. There were some miscellaneous comments
which indicated misinformation and incorrect upkeep, but no program this year.
I don't know who heads up that group, but it might be wise for learned
individuals in this group to consider volunteering to present at that event
on a yearly basis.
Sharon Mills
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