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Jack very accurately answered your question. I would only add...the more you
can keep the DNR out of it, the better off you are.
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN
We have been thru this before. Probing for "Artifacts' implies that
you want it for your personal use, or swap meet, or sell to someone. We Probe
down here in Floyd County to find the "Broken Pieces" only to repair a stone, or
stones and for no other reason. We were told if we had a letter from the Twp.
Trustee to find and repair the stones we were covered legally. That is
because the Trustee is Responsible for the cemeteries and their condition and they
certainly cant find the time to do the job themselves, so they must designate a
responsible party to do it for them.
It's for darn sure If members of the INPCRP cant probe, who else
knows enough about the care necessary to do it safely. I pointed out that if
I cant Probe, and have to submit a probing plan every time I work on a
cemetery, then My volunteering is over and the cemeteries I have found can go back
to their former state. You should know how to be careful probing, and digging
around the piece, or pieces so as not to further damage them. If you don't
know, then you should accompany someone from the INPCRP and learn.
I probed for broken pieces in California and started when I came back
to Indiana late 1995. I feel I know how by now. Its for darn sure just anyone
cant take a probe and a shovel out and start. They need guidance. You can do
as you wish about "Probing," I don't know how much you know about it. I have
stopped people who came out and was going to help me. I told them that if they
wanted to learn, work with me and help until I was satisfied they knew what
they were doing.
Some wont agree with me, but one thing is for sure, you cant just start.
Really, the Legislature needs more protection laws for our cemeteries than just
"Probing".
Jack E. Briles Sr.
Floyd Co. Cord. INPCRP
Po Box 444
New Albany, In 47151-0444
IC 14-21-1-26
Disturbance of grounds for purpose of discovering artifacts or burial
objects
Sec. 26. (a) A person who disturbs the ground for the purpose of discovering
artifacts or burial objects must do so in accordance with a plan approved by
the department under section 25 of this chapter or under IC 14-3-3.4-14
(before its repeal).
(b) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates this
section commits a Class A misdemeanor.
As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.14.
Jack
The issue of probing was brought up at the Cemetery Preservation Committee
of the Delaware Co. Historical Society on10/22/04. "When Mark Kreps and Bob
Good went for training they understood that it took a permit from the state
before probing could proceed in a cemetery." Is that correct?
My understanding is that the property owner or Township Trustee must approve
probing before it occurs. But now a new (to my knowledge) step of approval
as I understand the probing issue needs to be processed through the DNR.
Perhaps Jeannie Dinius-Regan of the DNR could provide some guidance in this
area. Someone told me that DNR still wouldn't approve probing but I never
found out why. The reason I am asking is that the Delaware County
Preservation folks are considering improving/preserving a cemetery in Muncie
that has over half of the stones submerged in the ground or missing
(according to a 1940 reading). It is on a main thoroughfare in Muncie,
literally hundreds of people driving by. I don't want any trouble, a bad
name, jail time or prison record because someone calls the police, the
prosecutor finds the issue to his interest to prosecute someone probing even
though the local Township Trustee supports the probing. I am rethinking the
probing issue according to the Indiana law (see below) and the possibility
of probing and disturbing, in some minds, being the same thing. I don't mind
turning over a plan to the state. Simply let me know the process and how and
where to file "the plan."
IC 14-21-1-26
Disturbance of grounds for purpose of discovering artifacts or burial
objects
Sec. 26. (a) A person who disturbs the ground for the purpose of discovering
artifacts or burial objects must do so in accordance with a plan approved by
the department under section 25 of this chapter or under IC 14-3-3.4-14
(before its repeal).
(b) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates this
section commits a Class A misdemeanor.
As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.14.
All good questions, Theresa. Your questions should be posed to Mayor Bart. I
wonder if he has even thought about the cemeteries, and what impact of
removing the township trustees would do to them.
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theresa Berghoff" <tres257(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:16 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Indy Works proposal
> On page 35 of the Indy Works proposal, Township Cemeteries are listed as a
residual function. Item 2 under Solutions states their maintenance will
transfer to the Dept. of Public Works and/or Indy Parks. Most of the
cemeteries under Township care are historic cemeteries of the pioneer
period. What training will DPW or Indy Parks have to repair, preserve, and
maintain these cemeteries? How will the recently restored Washington
Township Cemeteries be maintained ? Will money be added to the DPW and/or
Indy Parks budgets for their care? Will Marion County establish a Cemetery
Commission to make sure these historic cemeteries don't fall through the
cracks of the UNIGOV system?
>
> Theresa Berghoff
> Marion County Resident and member of the
> Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project
>
>
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> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
Theresa,
Is this a new proposal?
What is the status of the proposal?
Is there an approval or rejection required?
Who has to approve or reject the proposal?
Would you expect there to be an impact on the incomplete restoration efforts at the Vansickle Cemetery? As you know the work there is not expected to be completed until next spring. There are several arrangements and expenditures to be made other than the restoration work itself to complete the project.
Keith Rott
Theresa Berghoff <tres257(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
On page 35 of the Indy Works proposal, Township Cemeteries are listed as a residual function. Item 2 under Solutions states their maintenance will transfer to the Dept. of Public Works and/or Indy Parks. Most of the cemeteries under Township care are historic cemeteries of the pioneer period. What training will DPW or Indy Parks have to repair, preserve, and maintain these cemeteries? How will the recently restored Washington Township Cemeteries be maintained ? Will money be added to the DPW and/or Indy Parks budgets for their care? Will Marion County establish a Cemetery Commission to make sure these historic cemeteries don't fall through the cracks of the UNIGOV system?
Theresa Berghoff
Marion County Resident and member of the
Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project
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"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
On page 35 of the Indy Works proposal, Township Cemeteries are listed as a residual function. Item 2 under Solutions states their maintenance will transfer to the Dept. of Public Works and/or Indy Parks. Most of the cemeteries under Township care are historic cemeteries of the pioneer period. What training will DPW or Indy Parks have to repair, preserve, and maintain these cemeteries? How will the recently restored Washington Township Cemeteries be maintained ? Will money be added to the DPW and/or Indy Parks budgets for their care? Will Marion County establish a Cemetery Commission to make sure these historic cemeteries don't fall through the cracks of the UNIGOV system?
Theresa Berghoff
Marion County Resident and member of the
Indiana Pioneer Cemetery Restoration Project
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Wonderful! I can heartily join the chorus for highly sung praises of the
Van Sickle cemetery group. Great job folks!
Corrie E. Cook
Assistant, Local History Services
Indiana Historical Society
450 West Ohio Street
Indianapolis, IN 46202
317-233-8913
ccook(a)indianahistory.org
www.indianahistory.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Manzenberger [mailto:bradmanz@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:00 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] A Thank You to INPCRP
I received the following in the mail today.
--------------
Dear Brad,
I would like to express my thanks to you and the other members of the
INPCRP
that took part in the restoration workshop of the Van Sickle Cemetery. I
do
not have addresses for all those involved, so would it be possible to
place
a thank you on your web site or by email, I would greatly appreciate it.
My uncle, Keith Rott, has sung high praises of everyone involved with
this
project. I live in Texas and can't wait to get home to see the result's
of
everyone's hard work on this historical treasure.
Again, please accept my sincere appreciation of everyone's hard work,
time,
effort and caring about our historical families.
Sincerely,
Cathy Nuzman
Frisco, TX
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < bradmanz(a)earthlink.net >
http://www.inpcrp.org
I received the following in the mail today.
--------------
Dear Brad,
I would like to express my thanks to you and the other members of the INPCRP
that took part in the restoration workshop of the Van Sickle Cemetery. I do
not have addresses for all those involved, so would it be possible to place
a thank you on your web site or by email, I would greatly appreciate it.
My uncle, Keith Rott, has sung high praises of everyone involved with this
project. I live in Texas and can't wait to get home to see the result's of
everyone's hard work on this historical treasure.
Again, please accept my sincere appreciation of everyone's hard work, time,
effort and caring about our historical families.
Sincerely,
Cathy Nuzman
Frisco, TX
I remember last week I think there was a discusion thread on the legality of
unearthing stones. Would someone please reiterate for me.
Thanks,
Larry Leahy
Delaware county--Muncie
Hello:
Yes, I would like to know also is there a way to locate the "stones" that
are hidden under the ground?
The cemetery that we are working on now has piles under the ground where
some one has placed them in a heap and covered them up. We have found about
6-8 places already and they are about 12" under the ground.
It would be so much easier if we had something to just look for stones under
the ground. It is disappointing when you just turn up piles of rocks!
Joan Wray
Tipton County
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley(a)spamcop.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
> Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote
> Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate
> unmarked
> graves.
>
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
>
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname and
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better venue.
Thank you.
This was 30 some years ago, but I remember when I70 was built they suspect
at least 3 cemeteries in Henry County were further lost to that
construction - of course, no one wanted to say anything at the time or it
would held up the project............
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe and Sharon Mills" <mills(a)rnetinc.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Re: Cemteries disturbed by highway
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> My husband attended the 1-69 meeting held in Bloomington weeks ago by the
> feds. He got the impression, although the feds didn't say so, that they
> felt they could do whatever they wanted with cemeteries. As president of
> the Morgan Co historic preservation society, he wanted some assurances
> about several cemeteries that it would be hard to miss with the current
plans.
>
> If he read it right, the state folks intend to follow state law. Whether
> or not the feds think they have to do that is open to question.
>
> Sharon Mills
>
>
>
> At 11:28 AM 10/18/2004, you wrote:
>
> >It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however,
> >you can check this out yourself here:
> >
> >http://deis.i69indyevn.org/
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Rich Green
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> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Brad Manzenberger < bradmanz(a)earthlink.net > is the INPCRP State
Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
comments you may have about the INPCRP.
>
>
WHAT I READ IN THE 'FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS' IS THE FAMOUS '' WILL
MAKE EVERY EFFORT'' TO AVOID SUCH AS CEMETERIES.....THIS CAN STRETCH A LONG
WAY.....RUTH PRIDE WHEATLAND,,KNOX CO.
Is there a more detailed map out there? From this big of scale it could be running just near by or right over
the top of some of the Pioneer Cemeteries that I have ancestors in. Or is this as specific as they can be with
the route at this time?
Thanks for your time, Greg
Rich Green wrote:
> It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however, you can check this out yourself here:
>
> http://deis.i69indyevn.org/
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Green
> Historic Archaeological Research
> 4338 Hadley Court
> West Lafayette, IN 47906
> Office: (765) 464-8735
> Mobile: (765) 427-4082
> www.har-indy.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donna T
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
>
> Were there any Cemeteries endangered by the I69 project?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Green" <rgreen(a)insightbb.com>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
>
> > Hi Ernie,
> >
> > Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me
> during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the
> signature below. The HAR web site is as follows:
> >
> > http://www.har-indy.com
> >
> > Thanks for thinking of me.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rich Green
> > Historic Archaeological Research
> > 4338 Hadley Court
> > West Lafayette, IN 47906
> > Office: (765) 464-8735
> > Mobile: (765) 427-4082
> > www.har-indy.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ernie & Connie Lasley
> > To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM
> > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
> >
> >
> > Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote
> > Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate
> unmarked
> > graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological &
> > Environmental Services, Inc., is located here:
> >
> > http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/
> >
> >
> > At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones
> and
> > >show the shapes without having to dig in any way.
> > >
> > >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the
> cleaning
> > >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days
> work
> > >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning?
> > >
> > >Larry Leahy
> > >Muncie(Delaware County)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < bradmanz(a)earthlink.net >
> > >http://www.inpcrp.org
> >
> >
> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> > undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union,
> IA
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org
> >
> >
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org
It is my understanding that no cemeteries are to be disturbed; however, you can check this out yourself here:
http://deis.i69indyevn.org/
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Donna T
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
Were there any Cemeteries endangered by the I69 project?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Green" <rgreen(a)insightbb.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
> Hi Ernie,
>
> Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me
during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the
signature below. The HAR web site is as follows:
>
> http://www.har-indy.com
>
> Thanks for thinking of me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich Green
> Historic Archaeological Research
> 4338 Hadley Court
> West Lafayette, IN 47906
> Office: (765) 464-8735
> Mobile: (765) 427-4082
> www.har-indy.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ernie & Connie Lasley
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM
> Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
>
>
> Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote
> Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate
unmarked
> graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological &
> Environmental Services, Inc., is located here:
>
> http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/
>
>
> At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones
and
> >show the shapes without having to dig in any way.
> >
> >Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the
cleaning
> >of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days
work
> >so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning?
> >
> >Larry Leahy
> >Muncie(Delaware County)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < bradmanz(a)earthlink.net >
> >http://www.inpcrp.org
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union,
IA
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org
>
>
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
Hi Ernie,
Correction: Cooperation with Landmark was a temporary position for me during the I69 Tier 1 study. My company contact information is in the signature below. The HAR web site is as follows:
http://www.har-indy.com
Thanks for thinking of me.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Mobile: (765) 427-4082
www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernie & Connie Lasley
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery - Locating graves without digging.
Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote
Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate unmarked
graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological &
Environmental Services, Inc., is located here:
http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/
At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and
>show the shapes without having to dig in any way.
>
>Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning
>of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work
>so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning?
>
>Larry Leahy
>Muncie(Delaware County)
>
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < bradmanz(a)earthlink.net >
>http://www.inpcrp.org
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
Ground Penetrating Radar is one method. Rich Green is a GIS & Remote
Sensing Specialist and has used the various technologies to locate unmarked
graves. The website for his company, Landmark Archaeological &
Environmental Services, Inc., is located here:
http://www.landmarkarchaeology.com/
At 03:43 AM 10/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and
>show the shapes without having to dig in any way.
>
>Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning
>of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work
>so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning?
>
>Larry Leahy
>Muncie(Delaware County)
>
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < bradmanz(a)earthlink.net >
>http://www.inpcrp.org
Just curious--is there technology developed yet that could find stones and
show the shapes without having to dig in any way.
Have figured out that my specific interest with INPCRP lies in the cleaning
of stones - -anyone within a hour of Muncie that could use a half days work
so that I could be taught the talent of cleaning?
Larry Leahy
Muncie(Delaware County)
Thank you Angela,
The question now is what to do with all the
left over pieces. There is probably no way
to find anymore. This site has been plowed
down for over 80 years. It sits right in the
middle of the farm field. The pieces we found
in the old fence row is probably all we will
ever find.
I'm waiting for the descendants to come back
to the area to finish the fence. I think we
only have 1 stone left to put back up. Then
either build on heck of a long base box or
a cement slab to put these left over pieces on.
They all represent someone from the past.
It's frustrating not being able to finish them all
The neighbors were sure interesting as we started
that project. Some came to tell us funny stories and
some came to express their concerns that it would
cost the Trustee to much money. They didn't want
their Trustee to spend money on this kind of hooie!
And he didn't this one was on private property
and we haven't charge anyone.
L.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Tielking" <tielking(a)knightstown.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Routh Cemetery
> L.A.,
>
> What a difference! It is absolutely amazing! And some people would say the
> cemetery was too far gone to restore. What a way to prove them wrong.
> Sincerely,
> Angela Tielking
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "L.A. CLUGH" <clugh_la(a)msn.com>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Hall of Fame requirements
>
>
> > Brad here is one of my restorations that shows before and after.
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intcpcrg/2002-Routh/0_ProgressPage.html
> > Called the Routh family cemetery. I probably should go take
> > better photos trying to show it from the same spot.
> > I like this idea of showing both before and after.
> > If you think about it. Most of the destruction or
> > overgrowth happened before the trustees or folks
> > now in charge of these cemeteries. I think someone
> > said a few years ago that our cemeteries lost their glamour
> > after the depression when money was real hard to find.
> > Who knows, I think each one has a different story
> > but we should show the positive side of all this to I
> > inspire others to join us.
> >
> > Also, some of you really need to change the subject
> > line when you change your whole thought of the message
> > you reply to. Pretty please.....-)
> > Think about trying to find this one later. It would
> > be under the money raising subject line. Just wipe it
> > out and change it to the current thought.
> >
> > L.A.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad Manzenberger" <bradmanz(a)earthlink.net>
> > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:56 AM
> > Subject: RE: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery
> >
> >
> > > For the Hall of Fame the cemetery should have been restored as much as
> > > possible or be in the process of being restored. It's mainly a way to
> . . show the positive side instead of it always being negative.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
>
Theresa,
I am so behind in my e-mail!! So sorry for responding so late........
I don't mind being the "spokesperson" for legislation. Though I don't like
public speaking at all, I will do it because it is something I feel very
strongly about. But, if anyone else wants to be the spokesperson, I will
step aside. I left a message with Rep. Tom Saunders, and has not contacted
me yet about our "Cemetery Maintenance Bill" HB 1441. I asked if it could be
revived this session. I am sure he is very busy right now as it is an
election year.
As for the cemetery restorationist certification, I think this is not a bad
idea. I have expressed this opinion before when we first talked about it.
Walt, Mark and Helen would be excellent choices to sit on the certification
board if they choose to do it. I know there are others that would be good
choices as well, but I personally know Walt, Mark and Helen and know the
excellent work that they do. I don't want to make anyone mad by not naming
them here. I also think Jeannie with DNR-DHPA would be a good choice to be
on the board. What about Lois? There are so many qualified people to make up
this certification board. By the way, Lois, are you still on this list? I
haven't seen a post from you in ages!
Another thing I would like to see added to the list of wants is a probing
permit by the DNR-DHPA. Jeannie knows how bad and how long I have wanted
this to come to fruition.
Just my 2 cents worth.......
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: "Theresa Berghoff" <tres257(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery
> Brad,
> I'm glad you are ok with taking care of the website, being list
administrator, and media coordinator. You are doing a fantastic job! I just
thought we should revisit the recommendations Lois made, so we could cover
everything, and not have anyone
> get overwhelmed & burnt out.
> I hope Angela Tielking will be the official spokesperson for
legislative issues. Angela,if you are out there, please think about it. You
have done a great job so far. You have a good grasp of the issues, you are
very articulate, and when you speak people can tell your heart is in this
work.
>
> Larry,
> Wow . You have put a lot of thought into the idea of certification.I
will have to read your e-mail again to absorb it all. We have been down this
road before. I remember there were some people who had been doing
restoration for a long time who kind of took offense at the idea. In a way I
understand that. I also know there are alot of people in this group who are
very independent and some days not 3 of us could agree on a thing.
> You are however right about the need to be recognized as
preservationist with some training and experience. And we don't want every
Tom, Dick, & Harry out running around claiming to know how to restore
tombstones & making a bigger mess. So I guess this needs more discussion.
Are there any other states with certification? Does the Association for
Gravestone Studies or the National Center for Preservation Technology and
Training give anything to their workshop participants?
>
> Theresa
Berghoff
>
>
> Brad Manzenberger <bradmanz(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> Lots of great ideas Theresa!
>
> As far as breaking down the state coordinator, I have no problem with the
> site, list admin and being the contact point for the media, etc. I think
it
> would be better if someone else coordinated legislative and educational
> aspects of it. I can help, but I don't have the time to head them up.
>
> I am going to add the Hall of Fame to the site. Walt suggested it recently
> and it is a very good idea. We need to show the positive side of this so
> people in our communities can see that these places can be fixed.
Hopefully
> that will generate more interest. There is not a main Hall of Fame main
page
> yet- please stand by.
>
> I have placed one cemetery in the Hall of Fame- Spring Friends Cemetery in
> Hendricks Co. This is the cemetery Jessica Felix has her students working
> in. It can be accessed at
> http://www.inpcrp.org/HallofFame/hendricks_spring_friends.html.
>
> I have also added a page for Tipton Co. which can be accessed through the
> county coordinators page. Joan has sent me some more pictures and info
that
> I will get posted soon.
>
> If you have any candidates for the Hall of Fame please send them to me,
but
> be patient about getting them posted. I've had some free time and am
taking
> advantage of the great weather to get some restoration work done in
> Franklin.
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theresa Berghoff [mailto:tres257@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:06 AM
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] A novel way to raise money for a cemetery
>
>
> I'm glad this calendar/ fund raising discussion has come round to the
> structure of the INPCRP. Some of us have been talking about this recently.
> While it would be nice to have money for cemetery projects, the structure
> needed for a 501c3 organization could be a burden and go against the grain
> of some of us independent minded preservationist.
>
> I do think that we need more structure than we have. We have made great
> strides this summer. Having Brad come on as webmaster & update the website
> has made a world of difference. When Lois resigned, she broke down the
State
> Coordinators job description into 3 parts-webmaster- spokes person to do
PR
> & work with the Legislature - list monitor. We need to think about where
we
> want to go & what positions we need to get there
>
> .We have 2 new County coordinators, but most of the 92 counties are not
> covered.
> We need more visibility, that's what the t-shirts and requests for letters
> to legislators,and county prosecutors is about. Most of the state doesn't
> know we exist. Having some organization is helpful when we go to the
> Legislature.
>
> Education is needed in these areas:
> 1 cemetery care, maintenance, & repair guidelines for Township Trustees,
> Cemetery
> Associations & the people they hire.
> 2 preservation project guidelines for Boy Scout & Girl Scout Councils,
> schools ect.
> 3 cemetery visitation guides for libraries, & genealogy societies.
> 4 recording methods for County Recorders .
> 5 cemetery law for the general public
> Maybe we could joint venture some education material with the IN Township
> Association, IN Historical Society, Historic Landmarks Foundation, or
> DNR-DHPA.
>
> Other ideas I have heard:
> more workshops & work days
> more school projects like Rhonda Stoffer & Jessica Felix are doing
> work with the Ball State Landscape Architecture & Historic
> Preservation program
> meet with IN Prosecutors group
> create a Hall of Fame for restored cemeteries
> vandalism response info for cemeteries
> reunion for workshop people
> Scott talked about doing a book of restored cemeteries
>
> So what about any of this?
> Theresa
>
>
>
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> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
>
>
>
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> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
I would like to personally thank Theresa Berghoff, Helen Wildermuth and Mark Davis for the fantastic effort to correct the problem with Eli Coverdales' stone. I'd been looking for the stone for awhile and was dismayed to finally locate it and see how it had been set. Hopefully we can keep it like this for another 150 years! I'm forwarding a photo of the reset and cleaned stone to Brad. Regards, Bob Goode