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I agree totally. Exaust all effort to find the locations of the graves and
replace the markers.
Those stones are not "discarded," they are fallen or out of place. There
are still burial places there. They did not go away.
Unfortunately, many cemeteries have had this memorial thing done to them.
Some may think that it is "nice." I do not. I found some of my ancestors
in a cemetery where this was the intention. To get ready for doing it they
threw all of the markers off the the outer edge. I was sick to see it.
They had not even thought to try to map the layout of the cemetery so as to
try to keep it looking like a cemetery. I wish that they had. I would
rather see the markers placed back out in rows using what are in place as a
guide. The misplaced ones would not be where they belonged, but neither
would they be if put together in a "Memorial."
Pardon me, but the marker at the head of the grave is a "Memorial." You may
think that this memorial thing looks "nice," many people have as well.
However, as a descendant of a pioneer whose grave markers were thrown around
in preparation to do just that kind of thing, I would rather see the
cemetery look like a cemetery.
By the way, my protests did stop the actions. However the markers are still
thrown to the outer edge. After all it makes it easier to mow, right? I
asked them if they would do that to the newer cemetery across the street?
You know that they wouldn't.
Susan Alexander
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From: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:16:27 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Memorial of discarded tombstones
I agree with Lee, I would exaust every effort first, to identify where
their original place was. It will take some research, some work, some
probing, digging and mapping, and some plain old detective work of matching
broken pieces, bases, footstones, etc. Ind Jon brought up a good point
also, they should go to their original location, not where someone "thinks"
they should be.
Jack did a memorial with pieces and fragments from a cemetery that was
dozed out, and there was no possible way to determine the original
location. If yours is the case where there is no possible way to determine
the original location of the stones, then I would agree with the
memorial. But many of us have had some success in finding the old buried
bases or the broken off bottom piece of a slab marker still standing
upright in its original location, and matching stones from a pile to these
finds.
Ernie
At 10:20 PM 09/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Just my two cents, but I think I would exhaust every avenue in trying to
>figure out where those stones should be. If they are broken its highly
>likely the other end is waiting to be probed and located. A whole one
>may fit into a slot base that needs to be uncovered.
>
>Granted this is going to take a very long
>time, but it always does...... it gets easier the more you get into it.
>I am also not going to sit here and tell you I haven't done the memorial
>thing either. There are several places in the woods, often by the field
>where the actual graves once were
>that have a memorial of the discarded stones, along with an arrow
>pointing in the direction of actual graves and distance to, carved into
>a seperate stone (brought with me for that purpose)
>
>
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It is terrific how people have within the last ten years suddenly taken an
active interest in cleaning up ancestral graveyards.
On the subject of digging in a cemetery, in Indiana it is not permitted
unless you have permission from the State Archeologist in Indianapolis. Even
probing is not allowed without that permit. You are permitted with permits
from the State to restore tombstones, when they are above ground. The
legislature of Indiana has very thoroughly passed laws governing all phases
of cemeteries in the state. It is suggested that you go to:
http://www.state.in.us/legislative/ic/code/title23/ar14/ch68.html
Information Maintained by the Office of Code Revisions Indiana Legislative
Services Agency. Al and Margaret
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From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Memorial of discarded tombstones
> I agree with Lee, I would exaust every effort first, to identify where
> their original place was. It will take some research, some work, some
> probing, digging and mapping, and some plain old detective work of
matching
> broken pieces, bases, footstones, etc. Ind Jon brought up a good point
> also, they should go to their original location, not where someone
"thinks"
> they should be.
>
> Jack did a memorial with pieces and fragments from a cemetery that was
> dozed out, and there was no possible way to determine the original
> location. If yours is the case where there is no possible way to
determine
> the original location of the stones, then I would agree with the
> memorial. But many of us have had some success in finding the old buried
> bases or the broken off bottom piece of a slab marker still standing
> upright in its original location, and matching stones from a pile to these
> finds.
>
> Ernie
>
> At 10:20 PM 09/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> >Just my two cents, but I think I would exhaust every avenue in trying to
> >figure out where those stones should be. If they are broken its highly
> >likely the other end is waiting to be probed and located. A whole one
> >may fit into a slot base that needs to be uncovered.
> >
> >Granted this is going to take a very long
> >time, but it always does...... it gets easier the more you get into it.
> >I am also not going to sit here and tell you I haven't done the memorial
> >thing either. There are several places in the woods, often by the field
> >where the actual graves once were
> >that have a memorial of the discarded stones, along with an arrow
> >pointing in the direction of actual graves and distance to, carved into
> >a seperate stone (brought with me for that purpose)
> >
> >
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> >Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
> >comments you may have about the INPCRP.
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>
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>
I agree with Lee, I would exaust every effort first, to identify where
their original place was. It will take some research, some work, some
probing, digging and mapping, and some plain old detective work of matching
broken pieces, bases, footstones, etc. Ind Jon brought up a good point
also, they should go to their original location, not where someone "thinks"
they should be.
Jack did a memorial with pieces and fragments from a cemetery that was
dozed out, and there was no possible way to determine the original
location. If yours is the case where there is no possible way to determine
the original location of the stones, then I would agree with the
memorial. But many of us have had some success in finding the old buried
bases or the broken off bottom piece of a slab marker still standing
upright in its original location, and matching stones from a pile to these
finds.
Ernie
At 10:20 PM 09/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Just my two cents, but I think I would exhaust every avenue in trying to
>figure out where those stones should be. If they are broken its highly
>likely the other end is waiting to be probed and located. A whole one
>may fit into a slot base that needs to be uncovered.
>
>Granted this is going to take a very long
>time, but it always does...... it gets easier the more you get into it.
>I am also not going to sit here and tell you I haven't done the memorial
>thing either. There are several places in the woods, often by the field
>where the actual graves once were
>that have a memorial of the discarded stones, along with an arrow
>pointing in the direction of actual graves and distance to, carved into
>a seperate stone (brought with me for that purpose)
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
>Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
>comments you may have about the INPCRP.
Just my two cents, but I think I would exhaust every avenue in trying to
figure out where those stones should be. If they are broken its highly
likely the other end is waiting to be probed and located. A whole one
may fit into a slot base that needs to be uncovered.
Granted this is going to take a very long
time, but it always does...... it gets easier the more you get into it.
I am also not going to sit here and tell you I haven't done the memorial
thing either. There are several places in the woods, often by the field
where the actual graves once were
that have a memorial of the discarded stones, along with an arrow
pointing in the direction of actual graves and distance to, carved into
a seperate stone (brought with me for that purpose)
How do you know the tombstones (or some of them) are discarded and not where
they are supposed to be? Do you know where they are supposed to go? Are
there any records or ways of finding out? It seems to me that, ugly as they
are, they would be better off being left where they are now, if in fact, you
don't know where they go either. Without seeing it or knowing the situation,
it's hard to judge, but you may be taking them further from their original
spot than they are now.
I guess I have to ask what actually is historically correct? The way that
they are now or the way that you want them to be. A classic example of this
is the oldest cemetery in Indiana at the "Old Cathedral" in Vincennes dating
back to 1745. The stones sure look pretty in their nice little rows, but
that sure isn't the way they used to be and not even close to being in the
right place. Somebody needs to be shot for allowing them to do this. A dozen
military stones of revolutionary war soldiers all lined up in a straight
little row on both sides of the entrance, like they really know where those
people are buried. They didn't in 1939 on the WPA map, how could they now.
Of course, it's what ever sells the most tickets, but it's not historically
correct.
In my opinion, and not that I am much of a "stone hugger", but we may be
doing more harm than good in our selfish and stupid way of restoring these
cemeteries. I'm talking about specific cases that I have seen. I guess when
"bubba the lawnmower guy" hits a stone with his mower and breaks the top off
and it's thrown over by the fence or somebody doesn't like the position of a
stone and turns it around to face the east instead of the west, well, then
they're really just making history then, too. Aren't they?
I hate to step on anybody's toes, but who really made us the keeper of these
cemeteries? I can tell you this, that I visited about 10-12 years ago a
cemetery in Vermont where my ancestor was buried in 1813. Surprisingly
enough the stone was there and I was elated, but the cemetery hadn't been
mowed for years. In 1999, I was there again. Still not mowed, but the stone
was not even close to where it was before.
Turns out the new caretaker, and I use that term loosely, had an old guy
tell him that some of those stones had been moved over the years and that he
put them back where the old man said to. Needless to say, I frankly think I
should have more control over that stone than anybody else and I was a
little honked off. I told them to put it back where it was. They didn't
until this year. Trouble is, a relative tells me that they didn't get it
back where it was. They're close, but who am I to say. My point is, leave
them alone if you don't know for sure.
Jon Andrews
>From: LindaKen2048(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] Memorial of discarded tombstones
>Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:31:40 EDT
>
> I have a question and I am hoping someone on this list can advise
>me.
>
> The township has a cemetery (Lindley Cemetery, Howard County,
>Liberty
>Twp.) that has approximately 50 discarded and piled tombstones. I spoke at
>my
>DAR meeting last week and asked for help to restore this pioneer cemetery,
>that I would like to make a memorial area for the stones (I read about this
>in a
>book). I now have a Eagle Scout wanting to do this as his project
>regarding
>the stones and a memorial. What would be my first step in doing this? How
>do
>you pick an area for the memorial? I also would like to erect a flag pole,
>etc. and Cemetery Heritage sign. This is a full, closed, 4 acre
>cemetery-water
>on two of the three boundaries side. Could I put the memorial over an
>unmarked area in the middle? (I know this sounds horrible, etc.) I am new
>to this
>and in the learning process but willing to learn from people who know
>considerably more than myself.
> I thank you in advance for your help and suggestions, your kindness
>is
>appreciated.
>Regards,
>Linda
>
>
>Linda Grove
>Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor
>Howard County, Indiana
>Office: 765.628.2402
>
>Linda Gill Grove
>Surname Researching:
>IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann
>NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor
>"Their Story Is Our Story"
>
>
>
>
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>
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Linda,
No, it does not sound horrible. Your proposed project is quite admirable.
I would encourage you to seek and acquire firm financial support from philanthropic groups; such as the local Historical Society, Jaycees, Lions, Kiwanis, etc. This will cost 3 times more and take twice as long than you can imagine.
It is very important to cause the locals to take ownership; after all, it is probably their ancestors in that pile.Take some time to organize and publish your intentions. Local newspaper reporters love this stuff.
>
> From: LindaKen2048(a)aol.com
> Date: 2003/09/21 Sun PM 09:31:40 EDT
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [INPCRP] Memorial of discarded tombstones
>
> I have a question and I am hoping someone on this list can advise me.
>
> The township has a cemetery (Lindley Cemetery, Howard County, Liberty
> Twp.) that has approximately 50 discarded and piled tombstones. I spoke at my
> DAR meeting last week and asked for help to restore this pioneer cemetery,
> that I would like to make a memorial area for the stones (I read about this in a
> book). I now have a Eagle Scout wanting to do this as his project regarding
> the stones and a memorial. What would be my first step in doing this? How do
> you pick an area for the memorial? I also would like to erect a flag pole,
> etc. and Cemetery Heritage sign. This is a full, closed, 4 acre cemetery-water
> on two of the three boundaries side. Could I put the memorial over an
> unmarked area in the middle? (I know this sounds horrible, etc.) I am new to this
> and in the learning process but willing to learn from people who know
> considerably more than myself.
> I thank you in advance for your help and suggestions, your kindness is
> appreciated.
> Regards,
> Linda
>
>
> Linda Grove
> Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor
> Howard County, Indiana
> Office: 765.628.2402
>
> Linda Gill Grove
> Surname Researching:
> IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann
> NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor
> "Their Story Is Our Story"
>
>
>
>
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>
>
I have a question and I am hoping someone on this list can advise me.
The township has a cemetery (Lindley Cemetery, Howard County, Liberty
Twp.) that has approximately 50 discarded and piled tombstones. I spoke at my
DAR meeting last week and asked for help to restore this pioneer cemetery,
that I would like to make a memorial area for the stones (I read about this in a
book). I now have a Eagle Scout wanting to do this as his project regarding
the stones and a memorial. What would be my first step in doing this? How do
you pick an area for the memorial? I also would like to erect a flag pole,
etc. and Cemetery Heritage sign. This is a full, closed, 4 acre cemetery-water
on two of the three boundaries side. Could I put the memorial over an
unmarked area in the middle? (I know this sounds horrible, etc.) I am new to this
and in the learning process but willing to learn from people who know
considerably more than myself.
I thank you in advance for your help and suggestions, your kindness is
appreciated.
Regards,
Linda
Linda Grove
Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor
Howard County, Indiana
Office: 765.628.2402
Linda Gill Grove
Surname Researching:
IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann
NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor
"Their Story Is Our Story"
any one want to respond to these folks?
Helen
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From: "Maggie Rail" <mrail(a)cet.com>
To: <WA-CEMETERIES-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: [WA-CEMETERIES] Help! He wants to use WD40!
> At a workshop I attended I was told to use nothing organic, and the only
safe solution
> was Photo-Flo, which is purchased at a drugstore.
>
> I have a list on my website, which is made up from the workshop and other
things I have
> found out. It by no means is the last word on cleaning headstones.
>
> Just some tips to help.
>
> As I have read cemeteries I see many with a lacquer finish, which has been
done recently
> I often wonder if anyone knows how long that will last. I think it would
be just like on a house.
> Not very long, and probably ruin the stone.
>
> http://www.mrail.net/data/cemete/info/care/careof.htm
>
> Maggie
>
> At 11:46 AM 9/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >We suggest cleaning with a solution of 3 tablespoons of an electric
dishwashing detergent such as Cascade, Electrosol, or Sunlight, mixed with 1
quart of water and scrub with a stiff bristle brush (not wire). I wouldn't
suggest WD40, CLR might not be too bad but I'd dilute it.
> >
> >Stacey Davis
> >Memorial Counselor
> >Evergreen-Washelli Cemeteries
> >11111 Aurora Avenue North
> >Seattle, WA 98133
> >(206)362-5200
> >1(800)755-1350
> >Fax (206)365-0682
> >www.evergreen-washelli.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Pat & Roy [mailto:gillygon@cuonlinenow.com]
> >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:30 AM
> >To: WA-CEMETERIES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: [WA-CEMETERIES] Help! He wants to use WD40!
> >
> >
> >Help! I've just had a call from a man who is bound and determined to
clean his parents' stone with whatever. He wants me to find someone willing
to use harsh chemicals, followed by a spraying of oil. I've got him
convinced to wait until next week, giving me more time to come up with a
better solution. But, it is his stone and I guess if he wants to clean it
with red paint, I can't stop him.
> >He's suggesting CLR followed by WD40. Although water is available in the
cemetery, only by bucket. Hose connections are too far away. What he's
trying to clean off is the accumulation from 50 years of hard water. I've
tried gentle scraping and got off a little bit but with the design cut thru
the polished stone into the granite itself and the stain on all of it, I
don't have a clue as to what to suggest next.
> >Any ideas?
> >Thanks in advance. If you'd like to contact me off-list, I'm at
gillygon(a)cuonlinenow.com
> >Pat, Almira
> >
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Hello All,
On Saturday, September 27th there will be a "Work Day" at Mead Cemetery
North of Francisco, Gibson County IN, located on county road 725E about two
miles North of SR 64. Work will include leveling and re-setting several
stones that are leaning or have fallen over, cleaning some stones, and
various other improvements to the cemetery. If you have family or friends
there, or are just interested in helping out, any and all help will be
appreciated. Tools and materials will be available, and plan on starting
around 8 AM, but if you can help just an hour or two, or part of the day,
come on out any time!
Ernie Lasley, Coordinator
Gibson County PCRP
INPCRP Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/
Cemeteries Page: http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm
RAOGK Volunteer
New Law Opens Door To Public Upkeep Of 100-Year-Old Cemeteries
2003-09-05 Mississippi
Two abandoned cemeteries in Warren County have been certified for public maintenance under a new state law.
State law allows the Mississippi Department of Archives and History to certify a cemetery for local upkeep upon proof of 100- year-old graves and other requirements.
Normally, public funds cannot be spent on private property. The new law gets around that restriction.
In Warren County, the certification came for Old Hopewell Cemetery, where Revolutionary War veteran Capt. Benjamin Pettit is buried. The other is Asbury at the end of Halls Ferry Road.
"I think there are certain responsibilities we're entrusted to," said Gordon Cotton, director of the Old Court House Museum.
But County Supervisor Bill Lauderdale, in whose district Hopewell is located, said descendants of those buried in the cemeteries should pay to keep them in good condition, like most other people do.
Lauderdale said research would have to be done before he made up his mind about spending public money at the cemeteries.
Cotton said families and communities can preserve their history without government assistance. But, he said, at least the certificates are there and supervisors can help if they want.
Cotton said Hopewell served the long-gone community of Warrenton south of Vicksburg. Among those buried there, said Cotton, is William Lewis, who started the cemetery and has a grave marker bought by his illegitimate daughter. Another man there is buried between his two wives.
"To me, what has always been fascinating is the stories behind the people," Cotton said.
About 10 years ago, Cotton and a few other volunteers cleared Asbury and Hopewell of trees, brush and weeds. Since then, cleanup work has been done from time to time.
Scott McCoy, with the state historical preservation agency, said Mississippi has 236 abandoned cemeteries throughout the state.
Mark Davis
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In a message dated 9/16/03 11:26:38 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
tres257(a)yahoo.com writes:
> www.pal-item.com/news/stories/2003916/localnews/270982html
Getting Tim Benner to talk about himself isn't easy. He'd rather discuss
genealogy, cemetery preservation or compassion for human beings. But getting other
people to talk about Benner, an Indiana University East graduate in
accounting and point man for a Wayne County volunteer group that restores abandoned
cemeteries, is easy. Mention his name to Civil War buffs, government officials or
activists and their faces light up. "He's a very rare person," says John
Roll, Franklin Township Trustee. "He's done an excellent job of making the places
look nice." Franklin Township, where three rundown cemeteries sit, is
northeast of Richmond and is home to around 650 residents. Because the township
operates on a small budget, not much funding is allocated toward cemetery upkeep.
That makes it difficult to regularly maintain burial sites, Roll said. Still,
for about eight hours Saturday, Benner led a group of 10 volunteers who cut away
weeds and cleaned, restacked and straightened about 20 broken and fallen
tombstones at the Concord Methodist Episcopal Cemetery off Hollansburg Pike.
"We're glad someone is taking the initiative to get involved," said East Germantown
resident and group volunteer Keith Hubble, who is participating for the first
time in a cleanup with his wife, Kristine. The two helped polish and reset
stones. Many people need the research cemeteries offer, they said. Most of the
early pioneer graveyards have gone untended after the churches they were
affiliated with closed. Generally, once a cemetery has been abandoned, the township
trustee -- an agent of county government -- becomes responsible for its
maintenance, said Jefferson Township Trustee Joe Smith. The township, home to about
3,000 residents, is in western Wayne County and includes Hagerstown. After
reading an article in the Palladium-Item last week about Benner, Smith said the
two were able to talk about restoration jobs throughout Jefferson Township. "I
respect the work that he's doing," Smith said. "I'm looking forward to working
with him and the others in his group." Benner, 26, grew up in Fountain City.
He said the restoration idea hit him about a year ago. His first cleanup
effort, part of a group project assignment while he was a student at IU East, was
the Mount Vernon Cemetery off Wallace Road. Now, Benner, along with his wife,
Sabrina, are the coordinators of a local chapter of the Indiana Pioneer
Cemetery Restoration Project, a state preservation society. "I like learning about
genealogy and finding out where my own ancestors are buried," Benner said. An
Internet Web site about restoration brought him up to speed on the legal data on
digging up and replanting. Once he convinced himself he understood what he
was getting into, he put his newfound knowledge to practical use, he said. "It's
hard not to like what he does," said Mark Davis, who drove from Indianapolis
to help with the Concord project. Davis, who owns a restoration business,
researches Civil War history. He said he has established a Web page that allows
people to find out things like what regiment a fallen soldier served in as well
as dates of enlistment and discharge. He said he wasn't amazed to see the
weathered tombstone of a 23-year-old Union soldier at Concord Episcopal. "This
isn't unusual," he said. "A lot of the old cemeteries have soldiers buried in
them. That makes this kind of thing all the more worthwhile." In working with the
people he's met so far, Benner hopes to educate the public about the need to
maintain the abandoned cemeteries. In particular, he hopes government
decision-makers don't write the places off as lost causes. "I don't plan to stop doing
this anytime soon," he stressed. "This is like a hobby for me. "I'm a big
history buff. I just like doing it -- I like helping out."
Linda Grove
Liberty Township Trustee/Assessor
Howard County, Indiana
Office: 765.628.2402
Linda Gill Grove
Surname Researching:
IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann
NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor
"Their Story Is Our Story"
Walt,
It is good having you back home! I am glad you made it back safe and sound.
Angela
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From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Back from Michigan
> Hello,
> It was a long 14 day stretch of work in Washington Twp, Macomb Co,
Michigan.
> We worked on three cemeteries there. When we were finished, we left a lot
of people smiling.
> And yeah, I used Mastico, and yeah I filled the voids with a 2-4-7 mortar,
as a matter of fact I used every bit of seven years experience, and wished
that I had more to complete the work they had requested.
> The stones turned out great, the fellows with me did some awesome work. We
were told that repeatedly while there.
> I was reading through past e-mails. Wow, the certification thing was
something I just through out there for conversation and we got it.
> I did want to comment on Andi's posts.
> Andi,
> I attended an AGS conference in Washington D.C. several years ago. I met
and worked with Jim and Minxie Fannin. They are a wonderful couple and very
knowledgeable. I talked with Jim at length on the methods I was using here
in Indiana. I explained the Mastico. I showed them before, during, and after
photo's of the work. I remember Jim slapping me on the back and saying " Go
back to Indiana John and keep up the good work". So I am a little confused.
Why would they tell me what I was doing was fine? The reason I was there,
was to learn and get the approval of whom I considered experts. They gave me
their approval, otherwise I would not have shared my methods with other
people.
> I am very confident in my work, as we should all be. So please do not
attack my method of work when it was approved by the very people you speak
of, Jim and Minxie Fannin. Or did they lead me in the wrong direction when I
asked them for their advice? I do not think so. If you speak with them again
tell them I said Hello and that I took Jim up on his advice. I did come back
to Indiana and I am keeping up the good work.
> Man it feels good to be back,
> John "Walt"
Walters
> 4521 So. Co.
Rd. 375 W
>
Connersville, Indiana
>
47331
>
1-765-825-7313
>
> Peace!!
>
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England
> and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
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The South Indiana Conference United Methodist Church
Historical Society has a project to place a tombstone
on the grave of the Rev. John Strange. John Strange
was an early Methodist circuit rider in SW Ohio & SE
Indiana. He was known as an eloquent orator. He died
of TB in 1832. An unconfirmed story says he died in
the 1st Governors Mansion on the Circle in
Indianapolis. He was buried in the old Indianapolis
City Cemetery, later know as Greenlawn.
The Strange Family gave land in Washington Twsp.,
Marion Co. for a school on the condition it would be
named for their relative John Strange. Other Methodist
ministers reported going to John's grave to "meditate
& renew their vows".
As the south side of Indianapolis became industrial,
burials from Greenlawn were moved. John Strange was
reinterred in Crown Hill in 1911. His tombstone did
not move with him. Even though Crown Hill lists John
Strange as a notable person, his grave has not been
marked since that time. His tombstone is described as
a slab of stone with this inscription;
SACRED
TO THE MEMORY OF THE REV. JOHN STRANGE
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE
ON THE 2ND DAY OF DECEMBER,1832
IN THE 44TH YEAR OF HIS AGE,
AND THE 22ND YEAR OF HIS
ITINERANT MINISTRY
THEY THAT BE WISE SHALL SHINE, AND THEY THAT TURN TO
RIGHTEOUSNESS,AS THE STARS FOR EVER AND EVER.
Daniel,xii:3.
If anyone would like to contribute to a new stone,
contact me for for an address. If a stone with this
inscription ever turns up as someones back step,or is
pulled out of the White River, contact the South IN
Conference Historical Society, or Crown Hill Cemetery.
Theresa
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Hello,
It was a long 14 day stretch of work in Washington Twp, Macomb Co, Michigan.
We worked on three cemeteries there. When we were finished, we left a lot of people smiling.
And yeah, I used Mastico, and yeah I filled the voids with a 2-4-7 mortar, as a matter of fact I used every bit of seven years experience, and wished that I had more to complete the work they had requested.
The stones turned out great, the fellows with me did some awesome work. We were told that repeatedly while there.
I was reading through past e-mails. Wow, the certification thing was something I just through out there for conversation and we got it.
I did want to comment on Andi's posts.
Andi,
I attended an AGS conference in Washington D.C. several years ago. I met and worked with Jim and Minxie Fannin. They are a wonderful couple and very knowledgeable. I talked with Jim at length on the methods I was using here in Indiana. I explained the Mastico. I showed them before, during, and after photo's of the work. I remember Jim slapping me on the back and saying " Go back to Indiana John and keep up the good work". So I am a little confused. Why would they tell me what I was doing was fine? The reason I was there, was to learn and get the approval of whom I considered experts. They gave me their approval, otherwise I would not have shared my methods with other people.
I am very confident in my work, as we should all be. So please do not attack my method of work when it was approved by the very people you speak of, Jim and Minxie Fannin. Or did they lead me in the wrong direction when I asked them for their advice? I do not think so. If you speak with them again tell them I said Hello and that I took Jim up on his advice. I did come back to Indiana and I am keeping up the good work.
Man it feels good to be back,
John "Walt" Walters
4521 So. Co. Rd. 375 W
Connersville, Indiana
47331
1-765-825-7313
Peace!!
The email address I have sjsattert(a)earthlink.net for volunteering for a
county coordinator is coming back invalid. Is there a more recent one?
Thanks
Cindy
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Thanks for the link to the Washington Twsp., Marion
Co. site.
And as a Washington Twsp. resident, thanks to our
Trustee, Gwen Horth and to Walt, Mickey, and Danny for
a great job.
Theresa
--- Alloway <ralloway(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> Want the list to see this exceptional trustee, who
> did something about her cemeteries. GO HERE:
> http://www.washtwp.org/cemetphotoalbum.htm
>
> Cousin Bob Alloway
>
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Hello everyone,
I hope you receive this. We are having problems with our e-mail. I am unable to receive messages right now. I hope the problem will be resolved tomorrow (Saturday).
I wanted to pass this information along as soon as possible about the Sept. 3, 2003 County Government Study Commission meeting. I called Bob Sigalow with legislative services again and was able to talk with him today. He assured me that the pioneer cemetery issue was NOT on the agenda because he wrote the agenda (posted outside of the room). They were only to talk of septic system issues at that meeting. What happened was that Vernon Jewell, who is a member of the Study Commission, was able to attend the second meeting, but not the first. After the septic issues were discussed, Mr. Jewell asked Sen. Reigsecker is he could very briefly talk about the pioneer cemeteries. Sen. Reigsecker granted the request. His testimony, as I was told by Mr. Sigalow, was in favor of what we are trying to do. Mr. Jewell also had a handout to give to the study commission (Exhibit E) (see minutes of 9/3/2003 at http://www.in.gov/legistative/interim/committee/cgsc.html).
Mr. Sigalow will be sending me a copy of Exhibit E in the mail to me. Once I receive it, I will let everyone know what it is about.
The next study commission meeting is scheduled for Thursday October 9, 2003 at 1:30 p.m. Mr. Sigalow did not know at this time if pioneer cemeteries are to be discussed at this meeting. Once he knows, he will let me know.
Mr. Sigalow apologized again that the last meeting notice mailed out did not have the agenda on it. He did not write the notice. He has been very nice, sincere, and helpful with all the legislative processes. I thank him for that.
I hope I explained everything satisfactorily.
Angela Tielking