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Ruth,
I am sorry. The meeting was tonight; and I did not get your o.k. in time to
include it. Veterans buried in pioneer cemeteries and landlocked or private
property was discussed, though briefly.
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: <Pride1jw(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] cemetery legislation
> YOU MAY!..... RUTH PRIDE WHEATLAND,KNOX CO.
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
> Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
I have just received permission from a property owner to restore a small pioneer family cemetery in Wells County. It is very small, 7 burials, all slab stones in a woods, called the Miller Cemetery in Jackson Township. The owner would like a release form relieving them of liability if someone would get injured during the work. Does anyone have a form like that? The form on the website is for a trustee controlled cemetery, not a private one. Any suggestions? I can probably find something in a legal book, but didn't want to reinvent the wheel if someone had a form already. Thanks!
Rhonda Stoffer
Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services
I would appreciate it if someone can document this statement. I would
like to include it in our Indiana Township Association newsletter. Jack
has made a really good point. I agree it could be a valuable tool to
prompt thought and consideration.
Deborah R. Driskell
Delaware Township Trustee
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackbriles(a)aol.com [mailto:Jackbriles@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:22 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] cemetery legislation and current Burials
In a message dated 3/26/03 10:45:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Pride1jw(a)aol.com writes:
> state's slain soldier's
> family prefers burial in a "nearby township cemetery" to the offer for
his
> burial in Arlington National.."in order to visit site more" ...another
> reason
> to maintain and preserve these sites...Ruth Pride Knox Co.
>
Very well stated Ruth.! It is to bad tht this has to be a way to
bring
much needed attention to the Plight of All of our cemeteries and their
preservation.
jackbriles
Jack E,. Briles, Sr.
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
Ruth,
Do you mind if I include this in the portfolio that will be presented to the
legislators? It is an excellent point.
Angela Tielking
----- Original Message -----
From: <Pride1jw(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] cemetery legislation
> Note that today's Indy Star reports that one of the state's slain
soldier's
> family prefers burial in a "nearby township cemetery" to the offer for his
> burial in Arlington National.."in order to visit site more" ...another
reason
> to maintain and preserve these sites...Ruth Pride Knox Co.
>
>
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Thanks Ernie!
Angela
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] cemetery legislation
> Angela,
>
> Here is the Missouri Law that Jack referred to:
>
> 214.132. 1. Any person who wishes to visit an abandoned family cemetery or
> private burying ground which is completely surrounded by privately owned
> land, for which no public ingress or egress is available, shall have the
> right to reasonable ingress or egress for the purpose of visiting such
> cemetery. This right of access to such cemeteries extends only to
> visitation during reasonable hours and only for purposes usually
associated
> with cemetery visits.
>
> The complete law is here:
>
> http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/C200-299/2140132.HTM
>
> Missouri has several good cemetery laws we could pattern after. The
> complete Chapter is here:
>
> http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/c214.htm
>
> Ernie
>
> At 07:08 PM 03/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Angela,
> > You not only have my permission, I welcome the Idea. I quoted at one
> > time
> >a Missouri Law that allows Access to surrounded cemeteries, the High
Sheriff
> >is to enforce the Law allowing access. The property owner must allow
access
> >by the same route across his property as he uses, or would use. But first
> >those wishing access must notify the property owner. Visitation must be
> >during normal cemetery visitation hours, and also as much as possible
> >accommodate the owner to allow property protection. I don't see this as
an
> >infringement on the property owners rights. They knew, or should have
that
> >the cemetery was there when they purchased the property and there should
be a
> >natural presumption on their part that Ancestors would sooner or later
want
> >to visit the site. The owner would have to be awfully naive to believe
> >otherwise Go for it Angela, Good Luck, and God Bless,
> >
> >jackbriles(a)aol.com
> >Jack E. Briles ,Sr.
> >Floyd CO. PCRP Coordinator
> >PO Box 444
> >New Albany, In 47151-0444
> >(812) 282-6585
> >
> >
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>
>
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In a message dated 3/26/03 10:45:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Pride1jw(a)aol.com writes:
> state's slain soldier's
> family prefers burial in a "nearby township cemetery" to the offer for his
> burial in Arlington National.."in order to visit site more" ...another
> reason
> to maintain and preserve these sites...Ruth Pride Knox Co.
>
Very well stated Ruth.! It is to bad tht this has to be a way to bring
much needed attention to the Plight of All of our cemeteries and their
preservation.
jackbriles
Jack E,. Briles, Sr.
Note that today's Indy Star reports that one of the state's slain soldier's
family prefers burial in a "nearby township cemetery" to the offer for his
burial in Arlington National.."in order to visit site more" ...another reason
to maintain and preserve these sites...Ruth Pride Knox Co.
Angela,
Here is the Missouri Law that Jack referred to:
214.132. 1. Any person who wishes to visit an abandoned family cemetery or
private burying ground which is completely surrounded by privately owned
land, for which no public ingress or egress is available, shall have the
right to reasonable ingress or egress for the purpose of visiting such
cemetery. This right of access to such cemeteries extends only to
visitation during reasonable hours and only for purposes usually associated
with cemetery visits.
The complete law is here:
http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/C200-299/2140132.HTM
Missouri has several good cemetery laws we could pattern after. The
complete Chapter is here:
http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/c214.htm
Ernie
At 07:08 PM 03/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Angela,
> You not only have my permission, I welcome the Idea. I quoted at one
> time
>a Missouri Law that allows Access to surrounded cemeteries, the High Sheriff
>is to enforce the Law allowing access. The property owner must allow access
>by the same route across his property as he uses, or would use. But first
>those wishing access must notify the property owner. Visitation must be
>during normal cemetery visitation hours, and also as much as possible
>accommodate the owner to allow property protection. I don't see this as an
>infringement on the property owners rights. They knew, or should have that
>the cemetery was there when they purchased the property and there should be a
>natural presumption on their part that Ancestors would sooner or later want
>to visit the site. The owner would have to be awfully naive to believe
>otherwise Go for it Angela, Good Luck, and God Bless,
>
>jackbriles(a)aol.com
>Jack E. Briles ,Sr.
>Floyd CO. PCRP Coordinator
>PO Box 444
>New Albany, In 47151-0444
>(812) 282-6585
>
>
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Excellent point, Ruth. Thanks for sharing this!
Sue Silver
----- Original Message -----
From: <Pride1jw(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] cemetery legislation
> Note that today's Indy Star reports that one of the state's slain
soldier's
> family prefers burial in a "nearby township cemetery" to the offer for his
> burial in Arlington National.."in order to visit site more" ...another
reason
> to maintain and preserve these sites...Ruth Pride Knox Co.
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of
> "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST(a)rootsweb.com
> or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST(a)rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version)
>
>
Dave,
My wife and I drove out to the Shirley and I measured as near the 75
feet width as I could and staked the corners at where I believe they will be.
I have tried to get Dave Ruckman , but all I get is his Fax. I'm going to
send him one and ask when he can set the corners by survey. We thought there
was 4 stones. One was the top half of Christian Shirley's Stone. There are
red flags laid out in the pattern they already have with the stones.. I went
across the front with flags at 5 foot centers. It worked, I found 1 Field
stone buried in line with the Tombstones. It is now upright where it belongs.
I also had a couple of inquires as to who was doing the work. I told them the
new Trustee. Both said it was about time. I told them you were new. Also the
county road is so close the fence can't run straight. it would pass over the
Stones. The county has really infringed on the cemetery over the years. Just
wanted to let you know I put up the flags and am still looking for more
tomorrow if it doesn't rain. Later,
jackbriles(a)aol.com
Jack E. Briles, Sr.
Floyd Co. INPCRP Coordinator
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812) 282-6585
In a message dated 3/25/03 1:10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tielking(a)knightstown.net writes:
> Larry,
> That was one of our concerns as well. It will be discussed. Thank you for
> speaking up! :-)
> Angela Tielking
>
Angela,
You not only have my permission, I welcome the Idea. I quoted at one time
a Missouri Law that allows Access to surrounded cemeteries, the High Sheriff
is to enforce the Law allowing access. The property owner must allow access
by the same route across his property as he uses, or would use. But first
those wishing access must notify the property owner. Visitation must be
during normal cemetery visitation hours, and also as much as possible
accommodate the owner to allow property protection. I don't see this as an
infringement on the property owners rights. They knew, or should have that
the cemetery was there when they purchased the property and there should be a
natural presumption on their part that Ancestors would sooner or later want
to visit the site. The owner would have to be awfully naive to believe
otherwise Go for it Angela, Good Luck, and God Bless,
jackbriles(a)aol.com
Jack E. Briles ,Sr.
Floyd CO. PCRP Coordinator
PO Box 444
New Albany, In 47151-0444
(812) 282-6585
I must have missed that post.
An issue I've been discussing with my representative here is access to cemeteries. I've written some draft model language that I need to send to her. It gives people the right to access cemeteries within private property but gives protections to the property owner.
As a property owner I understand concerns about people traipsing across my land anytime they want but as a person active in locating and visiting Monroe County's cemeteries I also know the problems of landowners not giving us access. I would like to see that addressed.
-----Original Message-----
From: GTielking [mailto:tielking@knightstown.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:23 AM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] cemetery legislation
Hello everyone,
We recently had a discussion about what changes or additions we would like to see regarding cemetery legislation. I copied the e-mails of those who had input on the subject. I want to take these e-mails along to the Henry Co. Cemetery Commission meeting this Thursday. We are having two representatives and one senator who will be there to disuss the issues.
I am asking those of you who had input for permission to show them your e-mail and name. Here is a list of the people whose e-mails I copied.
Jack Briles
Ernie Lasley
Jon Andrews
Kyle Conrad
Helen Wildermuth
Russ Hapke
Marilyn (sorry no last name)
Would any of you mind if the legislators contact you?
Legislators like to hear from the public. Your e-mails are voices. So the more voices we have, the better.
Please let me know by Wednesday if you can. Thanks for all your help.
Sincerely,
Angela Tielking
tielking(a)knightstown.net
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
No problem using my information, Angela.
Tell Tom I said hello...
And if they need to see something as proof, take them to the Messick
Cemetery..
Thanks for all you're doing....for all of us.
Kyle
Hello everyone,
We recently had a discussion about what changes or additions we would like to see regarding cemetery legislation. I copied the e-mails of those who had input on the subject. I want to take these e-mails along to the Henry Co. Cemetery Commission meeting this Thursday. We are having two representatives and one senator who will be there to disuss the issues.
I am asking those of you who had input for permission to show them your e-mail and name. Here is a list of the people whose e-mails I copied.
Jack Briles
Ernie Lasley
Jon Andrews
Kyle Conrad
Helen Wildermuth
Russ Hapke
Marilyn (sorry no last name)
Would any of you mind if the legislators contact you?
Legislators like to hear from the public. Your e-mails are voices. So the more voices we have, the better.
Please let me know by Wednesday if you can. Thanks for all your help.
Sincerely,
Angela Tielking
tielking(a)knightstown.net
Hi Jack and John,
I also agree to each his own and that is why I collect information on all
different kinds of epoxies people are using. I want to make sure that if a
product really works, the word is out there on it. I collect the
information so I can research it before I suggest it.
You both have stated that you weren't happy with Akepox or Barre Pak, but
you don't specify why. Could you? I want to hear pros and cons. I write
articles and think it is important that if a product doesn't satisfy
particular problems, that I can relay specifics. Does it set too quickly,
or not quickly enough? Is it hard to use because it's a 2-part? Is it hard
to use because of its container? Is it too expensive? On the other side of
the coin, is Mastico easy to use because of its container, or the fact that
it's already mixed (I don't know, just guessing it's already mixed!), does
it set more quickly, or slowly?
I do appreciate your your insight and input.
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:09 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Mastico
> Andi,
> I met and worked with Jim and Minxie Fannin during the AGS Conference
,Washington DC in 2000 ,I think. Anyway the Barre Pak and Akepox were shown
to me and I have tried them,like Jack I was not satisfied.I was shown
Mastico by Fred Manthei,a restoration professional from Illinois and I know
and believe in its strength.Out of apx 6000 stones maybe eight has broke on
me,and I do not think that was the fault of the epoxy,it was the operator.
> I do have the data on it ,but I will have to locate it. I only use Mastico
to bond stone all of my void fill is now the appropriate mortar mix.
> I hope to have a website set up soon ,I believe all will be impressed with
what one can do with Mastico and the appropriate mortars.
> Walt
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?
>
>
Andi,
I met and worked with Jim and Minxie Fannin during the AGS Conference ,Washington DC in 2000 ,I think. Anyway the Barre Pak and Akepox were shown to me and I have tried them,like Jack I was not satisfied.I was shown Mastico by Fred Manthei,a restoration professional from Illinois and I know and believe in its strength.Out of apx 6000 stones maybe eight has broke on me,and I do not think that was the fault of the epoxy,it was the operator.
I do have the data on it ,but I will have to locate it. I only use Mastico to bond stone all of my void fill is now the appropriate mortar mix.
I hope to have a website set up soon ,I believe all will be impressed with what one can do with Mastico and the appropriate mortars.
Walt
In a message dated 3/19/03 9:36:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
andimac(a)charter.net writes:
> Thank you Ernie or Connie,
>
> Barre Pak and Akepox are the only two "acceptable" epoxies according to my
> teachers and consultants (Jim and Minxie Fannin). They don't recommend any
> others that I know of.
Andi
The old Saying "To each his own" applies here. John and Ernie and I and
others, use and swear by Mastico. As your teacers say, they believe in the
their brands. By all means, we should all use, or do whatever we think, or
believe is right. If we all believed in the samething, we would all own the
same kind of house, drive the same type of car, and so on. By all means, if
those are brands you believe in continue to use them. I'll back you on that
right, even though I have tried them and was not satisfied. My friend Bill
Brumett, monument Dealer gave me samples to start with. He had never heard of
Mastico. Needless to say, he keeps it around now. And don't go to their web
site try rheir phone or Street address Earnie gave you. Thats how I buy mine.
jackbriles(a)aol.com
Jack E. Briles Sr.
Floyd Co. PCRP Coordinator
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812) 282-6585
Hi Ernie,
Just to clarify...I need the information. I collect specs on all the
products that are used to add to our library of information.
Thanks again,
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Where to find Mastico.
> Andi,
>
> I don't know if they manufacture it (probably not), they SELL it and
> recommend it for the type of work that we are doing. That's where we all
> buy it. If Jim and Minxie Fannin need more information on it, Walt has
> used it for several years and can tell them why he recommends it.
>
> Ernie
>
> At 06:32 PM 03/19/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> I've asked them if they manufacture Mastico (it doesn't appear they do)
> >Thanks again,
> >Andi
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
>
Jack,
I have now seen the photos of the repaired Hamer stones, they came as
attachments from Dave Williams. I can't send them via rootsweb, but I can
forward them to anyone who wishes to see them. They are pretty much as
LA described, pyramids in shape with one flat side. Then there are some
braced with rebar. They are all unsatisfactory.
I've also forwarded them on to Southmont, in addition to the forward I sent
from Dave Williams earlier. That was the one where he said the stones had
been done incorrectly, that the concrete should not have been used.
If I don't hear back from them in a few days, I'll have to talk with the
other descendants, talk with school administration, and find out what my
options are.
Sharon
At 07:51 PM 3/16/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/16/03 12:08:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>mills(a)reliable-net.net writes:
>
>
> > Hard to say what the order of command is at the park.
> >
> > Sharon
> >
>
> Sharon,
> As I said, I have no complaints, It's not my work.It appears to be the work
>of Park Maintenance people, but again, If they are proud of that type work in
>a Historic Cemetery on ground given by one of the Hamer brothers that owned
>the mill for the people in the area to be buried in (A historic Cemetery) and
>the DNR and DHPA are happy, then I certainly have nothing to worry about.
>Looks like the easy way is the best way.! I will no longer listen to any
>complaints about my work. (I haven't had any ha,ha,)
>jackbriles(a)aol.com
>Jack E. Briles Sr.
>Floyd Co. PCRP Coordinator
>PO Box 444
>New Albany, In. 47151-0444
>(812) 282-6585
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
>undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA