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At 06:48 PM 02/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I believe I was flamed............
>
>Lee Creed
That's a good one, Lee. I will have to save that for one of my classes at
the fire station.
Ernie
I received the following message today from Nathan Simons. Can
anyone on the INPCRP list offer this gentleman any assistance? If
so, please respond to Nathan directly at nsimons(a)locl.net as he is
not a subscriber to the INPCRP e-mail list. Please note that he is
working with a March 3, 2003 deadline to submit his application.
Thanks. Lois
----- Original Message -----
From: aimeesimons <nsimons(a)locl.net>
To: LoisMauk(a)usa.net ; stuartbheron1(a)hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:34 AM
Subject: Clark Pioneer Cemetery restoration project
Lois,
My name is Nathan Simons. I am a youth advisor for Venturing Crew
2576 in Steuben County, IN. Our Venturing Crew, composed of area
high school youth, focuses on the implementation of conservation
projects in our county. The project we are currently involved with
we have titled "Clark-Matson Cemetery Restoration: A Living Natural
and Cultural Museum for Steuben Township." The goal of the project
is to provide passive recreational and educational opportunities for
the the citizens of Steuben Township by restoring the oak savanna
ecosystem within which the cemetery exists. Along with native
landscape restoration efforts that are already underway, we plan to
include permanent interpretive signage to highlight the unique
historical, cultural, and natural features of the site. To this end
we are applying for a Historic Preservation Education Grant from the
Indiana Humanities Council in cooperation with the Histroic
Landmarks Foundation of Indiana to develop and purchase the signage.
A requirement of the grant application is that we include an expert
in historic preservation as a team member.
All that said, I am asking you if you know of anyone who might be
interested in this project and might be willing to assist us in the
process?
The deadline for application submittal is March 3, 2003. Please
respond to me at nathansimons(a)hotmail.com by this weekend please.
Thank you for your consideration.
Nate.
Jack I can beat that, I had a near disaster last night. A heated dog
house went up in flames last night, it threatened my home, but got
knocked down before it made it there. Kyle, your truck can still fight
fires, enough water was thawed to contain it
before it spread and help could arrive. The only damage I suffered was
"scorched" cement mixers and wheel
barrow. I believe I was flamed............
Lee Creed
Thanks for all your help. I'll try these links.
allbest
Susanna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery info
> Susanna,
>
> I don't think we have an INPCRP coordinator for Wabash County, you may
want
> to try one of the contacts on these sites:
>
> Wabash Carnegie Library, Cemeteries:
> http://www.wabash.lib.in.us/cemeteri.htm
>
> RootsWeb, Wabash County Genealogy - Cemeteries:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~inwabash/cem/index.html
>
> Ancestry.com query board for Wabash County:
>
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/localities.northam.usa.states.ind
iana.counties.wabash/
>
> Hope this helps,
> Ernie
>
> At 08:01 PM 02/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me what has become of this cemetery. Wabash County,
Indiana
> >
> >"German Baptist Cemetery"
> >East side of the Wabash and Mount Vernon pike just south of the
> >Mississinewa River and upon the northwest quarter of Section 26, Township
> >26, Range 6 .
> >
> >Thanks for any info.
> >
> >allbest,
> >Susanna Noe
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
>
>
Thanks, Sharon...I am looking for Harters, Emericks, Brubakers and Harris'.
I found a lot of the names in the Mississinewa Mem. Cem. lists BUT the dates
and other info is all messed up, some correct and some not. I am pretty
sure this is it though. Just hope someone knows for sure. I heard when
that 'Vernon' Cemetery was moved the Corp. of Engineers did less than a
stellar job, and if these are the same persons someone has really messed
things up. I have not been lately to that site myself to see what's going
on. Either that or the list that I have is not recorded correctly.
Something is amiss to say the least. Funny thing is this, the names are
right but the dates may or may not jive and some names are not there at all,
although most are.
Thanks for your interest
allbest,
Susanna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Mills" <mills(a)reliable-net.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery info
>
> Susanna,
>
> I suggest you copy this request to the BRETHREN-L(a)rootsweb.com. You may
> want to check the Archives of that list first, as I vaguely recall mention
> of a cemetery that was moved along the Mississinewa.
>
> With the Noe surname, you will find more information on that list.
>
> Sharon Mills
>
>
> At 08:01 PM 2/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Can anyone tell me what has become of this cemetery. Wabash County,
Indiana
> >
> >"German Baptist Cemetery"
> >East side of the Wabash and Mount Vernon pike just south of the
> >Mississinewa River and upon the northwest quarter of Section 26, Township
> >26, Range 6 .
> >
> >Thanks for any info.
> >
> >allbest,
> >Susanna Noe
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Please do not send queries through this list.
>
>
Ernie,
If I remember correctly, 5 million beneficial nematodes cost me about $25,
mail ordered from right here in Indiana, Fishers I believe. It would be
quite an expanse to do 45,000 square feet. I'll have to find the catalog and
I'll let you know.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie & Connie Lasley" <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chemicals.
> Brian,
>
> A few questions on the nematodes, I may try them in a cemetery to
eliminate
> the grub worm problem, which will eliminate my mole problem. The cemetery
> is about 150' by 300' which is 45,000 square feet. How many nematodes
> would I need for that area, where can I get them, and what will it
> cost? The moles have dug this cemetery up real bad this fall and winter,
> I need to get some kind of control started before mowing season.
>
> Ernie
>
> At 05:55 PM 02/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Laurie, beneficial nematodes are great. Mostly what they do is eat the
larva
> >of pests until there is no more larva, however if the pests multiply, so
do
> >the beneficial nemaodes. I'm a worm farmer with 3,200 square foot of worm
> >beds and had a bad fungus gnat problem. 10 million beneficial nematodes
took
> >care of that problem.
> >Brian E. Smead
> >Terre Haute, Indiana
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Laurie Morris" <lmorris(a)wt.net>
> >To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:42 PM
> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chemicals.
> >
> >
> > > > Then I had better not mention using Liquid Sevin (tm.) to control
grub
> > > > worms, which eliminates moles.
> > > >
> > > > You have a good point, Laurie. Chemicals can be over-used, and can
do
> > > more
> > > > damage than good. Jack has brought up some good points on this
topic
> > > > before, and we all should try to use chemicals properly and with the
> > > > correct equipment, and use sparingly and only where necessary.
> > >
> > > You're right, Ernie, overuse of chemicals has created a lot of the
> >problems
> > > we now have in the environment, and it would be nice if more people
used
> > > them as you said, only when necessary and sparingly at that.
> > >
> > > (And if you ever want to try a different solution, apply beneficial
> > > nematodes to deal with the grub worms. These are microorganisms that
> >attack
> > > a number of lawn and garden pests, particularly the ones that cycle
> > > underground. They also take care of the root nematodes that like to
mess
> > > with vegetables like tomatoes, and will take care of a flea problem as
> >well.
> > > All you need is a hose-end sprayer. You can find the nematodes at any
> > > garden center that sells organic products or through organic gardening
> > > catalogs.)
> > >
> > > Laurie Morris
> > > mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
> >LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >Please do not send queries through this list.
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
>
I've been following this thread with great interest. It's an aspect of
cemetery preservation that tends to get overlooked far too often, and
there's not a great deal of resources (internet or otherwise) that people
can go to and learn about this. I've got a small page on the subject at
Saving Graves but it's very basic and needs work.
If I can, I'd like to offer up a suggestion. The National Trust of Australia
has set up a rather extensive website pertaining to guidlines for cemetery
conservation. Included in the site is a really nice web page, "LIST OF
PLANTS SUITABLE FOR USE IN 19TH AND EARLY 20TH CENTURY CEMETERIES" It's
located at:
http://www.nsw.nationaltrust.org.au/cemsappe.html
and is worth taking a look at. It might be a worthwile for a simmilar page
specific to Indiana to developed as a quick resource for this information.
It could also include plants eithger native to Indiana or found there that
are invasive, toxic or other such types that should not be used. It could
also be a great resourse as a hand out for a meeting or class. It seems like
this is one of those subjects that come up from time to time and rather than
having to search through the archives for the information this would make it
somewhat more easy on those looking for it.
Bill
In a message dated 2/25/03 9:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
> Good talking to you anyway.
> Jon
>
Jon,
This is a serious statement !!! Last night I dreamed 3 people
reached a concessus on the List. I was awake the rest of the night trying
to figure out how in the world this happened !!!! (Just a little
Levity, only kidding, I decided this could only be a dream, It was to wild
for reality.)
jackbriles(a)aol.com
Jack E. Briles Sr.
Floyd Co. PCRP Coordinator
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812) 282-6585
There is going to be a Cemetery Workshop sponsored by the Indiana Historical Society and Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology,DNR.
May 10th and 11th.
I am sure Katherine Dill will post all the info as it comes together.
In my opinion this is going to be a good one!
Topics will cover...
Legal Issues Involving Cemeteries
Documentation
Prairie Vegetation in Cemeteries
Geology of Stones
Q&A of speakers,group leaders " this will be a panel of folks that participants can ask and hopefully get several viewpoints,I am looking forward to that one."
What to look for in a professional cemetery restorer
GPS Software
Repairing Broken Stones
All of that plus break out groups doing hands on work at the Cemetery,two afternoons in a row! Cool !
Oh I forgot to mention
Stone Cleaning
SiteCleaning/Maintenance
Resetting Stones in Slotted Bases
Equipment use and Safety
All of that and probably a whole lot more when a group of Cemeterians get together.
Walt
I agree! My point exactly! You had the deck stacked in your favor. If your
Council would have been Democrat, they would have never funded it. In our
situation, we have majority Republican Commissioners who set up and support
the commission. But we are all Democrat on the Council and trustees, with
the exception of one.
The Council refuses to fund the commission due to strictly POLITICS. I am
not saying this is everywhere, but I do know that it is here and there. You
just have to look behind the desk at who's who.
Good talking to you anyway.
Jon
From Knox County, where everyone in the Courthouse is related (or was at one
time).
>From: KidClerk(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Commission.
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:46:00 EST
>
>Jon:
>
>While that may be the case in your situation, it is not always the case. I
>live in a county with a majority of republican county council and
>commissioners, and 8 out of 10 republican trustees. I was county clerk
>(republican) and county chairman (republican) when I suggested the cemetery
>commission to the commissioners (republican) the trustees were all for it
>(republican) and the county council funded it (republican). They only
>dropped the ball in finding people willing to serve (general public). Yes,
>it is all about politics to an extent, but it can also be advantageous if
>you
>know how to use the influence in a positive way. It may not always be an
>easy sale, but it can and has been done...
>
>Kyle
>
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
>undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
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Jon:
While that may be the case in your situation, it is not always the case. I
live in a county with a majority of republican county council and
commissioners, and 8 out of 10 republican trustees. I was county clerk
(republican) and county chairman (republican) when I suggested the cemetery
commission to the commissioners (republican) the trustees were all for it
(republican) and the county council funded it (republican). They only
dropped the ball in finding people willing to serve (general public). Yes,
it is all about politics to an extent, but it can also be advantageous if you
know how to use the influence in a positive way. It may not always be an
easy sale, but it can and has been done...
Kyle
In a message dated 02/25/2003 6:17:01 PM Central Standard Time,
lmorris(a)wt.net writes:
> Finding worm
> castings in my yard gets me all excited. (Okay, I'm weird, so what.)
>
To quote a previous post...."these messages are driving me crazy".
but I'm still laughing...
Kyle
Can anyone tell me what has become of this cemetery. Wabash County, Indiana
"German Baptist Cemetery"
East side of the Wabash and Mount Vernon pike just south of the Mississinewa River and upon the northwest quarter of Section 26, Township 26, Range 6 .
Thanks for any info.
allbest,
Susanna Noe
There's a farmer in Freelandville who decided to move the stones in his
family cemetery over along the county ditch, because he couldn't get his 18
row planter turned around without running over them. In the process he
decided to just buy one new family stone that is inscribed that his
"great-grandpa lays 175 yds. southwest of this marker" in the family
cemetery. He fails to mention that great-grandpa is the one who made this
all possible. The one who bought the farm and left it to him, so he could
get his start. God knows, we couldn't have him in the way of high-tech
farming. We might lose a row of corn. He has solved the problem of
vegetation in the cemetery. He just combines every year and sprays heavy.
Jon Andrews
>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Native vegetation preservation in Pioneer Cemeteries
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:18:15 -0600
>
>After reading through this whole thread, and a big thread it is, I would
>have to agree with Kyle and Dale and others, I don't think our Pioneer
>ancestors intended for their burying grounds to grow up wild. When they
>picked these spots 175 or so years ago it usually was because of the
>location or the view, not for what was growing there. As families moved on
>west over the years, there was no family left to care for the burying
>grounds. Or as education became more important the children went away to
>school and took jobs away from the family farms, no one was left to
>maintain them. Or for several other reasons, on one was left to care for
>these little family plots. And wild and native plants eventually took
>over.
>
>It would be great if we could find a low-growing natural and native
>vegatation that would need mowing only three or four times a year. But
>until we find that, I'll keep my John Deere mower and weed eater and
>round-up. Maybe Tom Swinford at the Cemetery Workshop on May 10 will have
>the answers to this on-going question. Due to changes at work I will not
>be able to participate in that workshop, I hope the information is shared
>on the list or website.
>
>And the humor on the various weeds was fun reading, too. The johnson
>grass, buffalo to roam through it, smoked it in the 70's, field test for
>roundup commercial, Canadians and sorghum people mad at us, and so on, I
>got a good chuckle out of all those posts. At least no one has found any
>French grass in a cemetery yet. But it would be useless anyway, and
>surrender as soon as you pulled your weedeater out of your truck.
>
>Ernie
>
>At 11:58 AM 02/24/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>>I am concerned about the preservation and restoration of native vegetation
>>in
>>pioneer cemeteries. Pioneer cemeteries often harbor relict prairie here
>>in Iowa,
>>part of the less than 1/10th of one percent of what remains of our native
>>prairie
>>landscape. Commonly, efforts to 'restore' or 'preserve' these pioneer
>>cemeteries
>>by well-meaning township trustees results in the native prairie being
>>sprayed or
>>mowed and reduced to little more than a blue-grass lawn. It seems to me
>>that both
>>the cultural and natural features that come together in a unique and
>>meaningful
>>way in these historic sites are both deserving of preservation. While to
>>some
>>mowing might seem a way to 'honor' the souls buried there, I respectfully
>>disagree.
>>
>>Are there examples any can share of workable solutions to this issue? I
>>am
>>currently trying to encourage a group of such trustees to consider
>>management that
>>would perpetuate the native prairie rather than destroying it with lawn
>>mowing.
>>
>>Also, in a web search for 'prairie cemeteries', both words come up often
>>together,
>>but seldom is anything meant by 'prairie' other than as a place name, i.e.
>>the
>>place as 'prairie' is gone, and only the place as 'cemetery' remains. How
>>can we
>>perpetuate both?
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Greg Houseal
>>Program Manager, Iowa Ecotype Project
>>Native Roadside Vegetation Center
>>University of Northern Iowa
>>Cedar Falls, IA 50614-0294
>>U.S.A
>>319-273-3005
>>FAX 319-268-0668
>>
>>
>>
>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
>>have."
>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
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Kyle:
I think you will find it has a great deal more to do with politics than
anything. Funding of a cemetery commission through the general fund will not
happen in a county that has the same political makeup on the council as the
trustees. For example, if you have a county full of Democrat trustees and a
Democrat County Council, they won't step on the trustee's toes. Same with
the other side, as well. That's how it is here and a few other counties, I
know.
Jon Andrews
>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Commission.
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:02:20 -0600
>
>Kyle,
>
>I understand what you are talking about, in some cases either the
>commissioners are reluctant to organize the commission or give it no funds
>to operate on, or the commission just "exists" and does not really
>accomplish anything. Of course there are Cemetery Comissions in the State
>that are alive and well, and do a goog job. I think what you are trying to
>say is that it depends on the attitude of the commissioners toward
>cemeteries, and that also reflects through their appointees to the
>commission. Paving roads where the most voters live seems to be the pet
>project for commissioners in this end of the state.
>
>Maybe funding is the problem. The code allows them to levy a tax to fund
>the commission and cemetery projects, but most view new taxes as something
>that will cost them election votes. I think the cure for all this will be
>legislative. More use of the word "shall", and more teeth in the codes
>and requirements.
>
>Ernie
>
>At 12:20 PM 02/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ernie:
>>
>>I hope I didn't come across like I wasn't in favor of county cemetery
>>commissions. I was the one who suggested it for Newton County, and it has
>>been created, just not followed through on. I just think it should be
>>used
>>as a supplement and not the primary source for care and/or restoration.
>>There's no doubt that two heads (or sources of help) are better than one.
>>
>>When our cemetery commission ordinance was being written, I was county
>>clerk
>>and had the ear of the county attorney and the commissioners. I suggested
>>allowing each commissioner have an appointment as well as one from the
>>township trustees (my trustees have their own local association) as well
>>as
>>one nomination from the county historical society. While this was done,
>>no
>>appointments have ever been made and the group is not functioning.
>>
>>I agree, however, that there is a place for them and they will be a vital
>>link to our efforts.
>>
>>Kyle
>>
>>
>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>>Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
>>England
>>and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
>> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
>> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
>> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
>> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
>> to high ideals."
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
>England
>and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
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Sure, lets get the whole family involved! Make it as political as we can
get! Get that deck stacked so they don't have to answer to anyone. Not that
they do now. You know, that wouldn't be too bad if they would put some poor
people to work cleaning those cemeteries. Recently, in Knox County a poor
family, consisting of an out of work father and his two teenage sons,
approached the township trustee for money and wanted to work cleaning
cemeteries. He told them the job was already taken by his father-in-law.
Well, ole daddy-in-law is doing a "super job", too. He found it was easier
to mow if he didn't have all those stones in the way. Not as hard on the
mower, too. I call for getting cemeteries out of the hands of the trustees.
That way they'll have more time to do other duties like collecting the dog
tax.
Jon Andrews
>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery Commission.
>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:48:25 -0600
>
>Kyle,
>
>You are probably correct, Township Government is probably the best agency
>to deal with this, and stiffer language in the laws is what is needed to
>keep one from shirking the responsibility. But I think the County Cemetery
>Commission is needed also, and I think would be the better avenue of
>funding maintenance and restoration rather than individual townships.
>Maybe a Commission appointed by township trustees?
>Ernie
>
>At 07:10 AM 02/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Ernie:
>>
>>I've thought about your suggestions pertaining to changes to Indiana law.
>>I'm not convinced the answer is in giving the authority to the county
>>rather
>>than the townships. While we all know townships that do not maintain
>>cemeteries like they should (or like we think they should), I still
>>believe
>>that government closest to the people is the most effective. I know there
>>are efforts underway to re-shape our state's constitution to do away with
>>township governments, revamp the administrative branch of county
>>government,
>>and make many of the offices now elected appointed, but I don't believe
>>this
>>is in the best interest of our citizenry. I think the answer is to not
>>remove responsibility from the townships, but put stiffer language in
>>place
>>to require their involvement and follow it up with a way to raise the
>>necessary funds to do so. I'm sorry, but I think letting the board of
>>commissioners make those decisions would be more devastating than what we
>>have now. Afterall, if two of the commissioners say no to saving these
>>cemeteries, they wipe out any hope for the WHOLE county, whereas now it is
>>addressed on a township by township basis.
>>
>>I appreciate your thoughts, but see it being as much of a problem than we
>>have now. And even if the law says they have to do it, unless there is
>>money
>>to follow, they consider that an unfunded mandate and many times tell the
>>state (or feds) to shove it....and I can't say I blame them.
>>
>>The answer is, as you mentioned, in educating the townships as to their
>>responsibilities to these pioneer cemeteries, and pushing for legislation
>>to
>>help them fund the needed work.
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>>-Kyle
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>Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
>England
>and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
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Yes, our ancestors lovingly planted that yucca because it symbolizes
everlasting life ...
I have read that they were planted so the ghosts/spirits wouldn't escape.
They'd come up out of the earth, get stuck on the sharp leaves, and go
back down.
Of course, I've also read that people don't want a clean cemetery, because
a tangle of vines, trees, weeds, etc. will keep the spirits in.
Sharon Howell
I probably do not no what prairie grass is, unless it was something I did in
the 70's. "ha ha"
The Cemetery Workshop scheduled on May 10 will have Tom Swinford,Regional
Ecologist,Division of Nature Preserves,DNR.
I am looking forward to his presentation,as I hope it sheds some light on
the definition of rank vegetation and how to identify such.
As far as the burning goes ,no way.As matter of fact when I started the
Cemetery Supervisors job here in Fayette County ,I came upon Old Parrott
Cemetery located in the middle of corn/beans depending on the year.When the
crops came down it was full of 5 to six foot horseweeds,very thick.I was new
on the job and went to one of the present Commissions to ask how I was
suppose to get this one under control.His reply was burn it ,that is the way
we had done it in the past.Needless to say I refused to burn it and spent
more than a week clearing it with caution.Upon clearing it I found numerous
plastic burnt jugs where previous maintenance had toss in.
I could not believe it.
I guess I would like to paint the perfect picture of one of our Historical
Cemeteries,to see what they were like when those buried there, had love ones
visit.
I can paint the picture now with scrapes and scratches,and chips,to
completely broken by modern equipment.
Walt
I
Laurie, beneficial nematodes are great. Mostly what they do is eat the larva
of pests until there is no more larva, however if the pests multiply, so do
the beneficial nemaodes. I'm a worm farmer with 3,200 square foot of worm
beds and had a bad fungus gnat problem. 10 million beneficial nematodes took
care of that problem.
Brian E. Smead
Terre Haute, Indiana
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Morris" <lmorris(a)wt.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chemicals.
> > Then I had better not mention using Liquid Sevin (tm.) to control grub
> > worms, which eliminates moles.
> >
> > You have a good point, Laurie. Chemicals can be over-used, and can do
> more
> > damage than good. Jack has brought up some good points on this topic
> > before, and we all should try to use chemicals properly and with the
> > correct equipment, and use sparingly and only where necessary.
>
> You're right, Ernie, overuse of chemicals has created a lot of the
problems
> we now have in the environment, and it would be nice if more people used
> them as you said, only when necessary and sparingly at that.
>
> (And if you ever want to try a different solution, apply beneficial
> nematodes to deal with the grub worms. These are microorganisms that
attack
> a number of lawn and garden pests, particularly the ones that cycle
> underground. They also take care of the root nematodes that like to mess
> with vegetables like tomatoes, and will take care of a flea problem as
well.
> All you need is a hose-end sprayer. You can find the nematodes at any
> garden center that sells organic products or through organic gardening
> catalogs.)
>
> Laurie Morris
> mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
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LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
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I have seen cemeteries that deserve to keep their Historic character.I am not saying that we need to stop mowing every cemetery.I have been to some yards that definitely need left alone.Carpenter Farm ,Orange Township, Fayette County.
I located this one in 1998, way,way far from a road.18 nice stones from 1833 to 1857, all that was needed was to pick up some fallen debris, it had a thick cover of Periwinkle and to mow this yard would be an intrusion.It was and is still just fine.
Just as each tombstone deserves the proper attention so does each individual graveyard.
Just my opinion!
Walt