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I agree with Rich, it almost appears as if other motives are at work.
I do not know what changes the proposed law would effect, however any type
of historic designation strengthening is always an assett when fighting
these big boys. Strip mining companies have been allowed to virtually do as
they please in West Virginia for the past 15-20 years. They are decimating
the environment. The situation has grown dramatically worse with the current
administrations lifting of environmental regulations.
Another very important piece of ammunition is get every historical cemetery
declared just that: historical. This would force one gov't agency to take
the fight to another gov't agency rather than citizen Joe having to do it
all.
I have copied pertinent pieces of the current Indiana Surface Mining Law.
Please be patient enough to read to the bottom. The law regarding the 100'
rule is already on the books. Nothing wrong with another to reinforce it.
http://www.osmre.gov/indiana.htm
[Speaking on the environment:]
SEC. 521. (a)(1) Whenever, on the basis of any information available to
him, including receipt of information from any person, the
Secretary has reason to believe
that any person is in violation of any requirement of this Act or
any permit condition
required by this Act, the Secretary shall notify the State
regulatory authority, if one exists,
in the State in which such violation exists. If no such State
authority exists or the State
regulatory authority fails within ten days after notification to
take appropriate action to
cause said violation to be corrected or to show good cause for
such failure and transmit
notification of its action to the Secretary, the Secretary shall
immediately order Federal
inspection of the surface coal mining operation at which the
alleged violation is occurring
unless the information available to the Secretary is a result of a
previous Federal
inspection of such surface coal mining operation. The ten-day
notification period shall be
waived when the person informing the Secretary provides adequate
proof that an
imminent danger of significant environmental harm exists and that
the State has failed to
take appropriate action. When the Federal inspection results from
information provided
to the Secretary by any person, the Secretary shall notify such
person when the Federal
inspection is proposed to be carried out and such person shall be
allowed to accompany
the inspector during the inspection.
SEC. 522. (a)(1) To be eligible to assume primary regulatory authority
pursuant to section 503, each State shall establish a planning
process enabling objective
decisions based upon competent and scientifically sound data and
information as to
which, if any, land areas of a State are unsuitable for all or
certain
types of surface coal mining operations pursuant to the standards
set forth in paragraphs
(2) and (3) of this subsection but such designation shall not
prevent the mineral
exploration pursuant to the Act of any area so designated.
(c) Any person having an interest which is or may be adversely affected
shall have
the right to petition the regulatory authority to have an area
designated as unsuitable for
surface coal mining operations, or to have such a designation
terminated. Such a petition
shall contain allegations of facts with supporting evidence which
would tend to establish
the allegations.
(d) Prior to designating any land areas as unsuitable for surface coal
mining
operations, the regulatory authority shall prepare a detailed
statement on (i) the potential
coal resources of the area, (ii) the demand for coal resources,
and (iii) the impact of such
designation on the environment, the economy, and the supply of
coal.
(e) After the enactment of this Act and subject to valid existing rights no
surface
coal mining operations except those which exist on the date of
enactment of this Act shall
be permitted -
(5) within three hundred feet from any occupied dwelling, unless
waived by the
owner thereof, nor within three hundred feet of any public
building, school, church,
community, or institutional building, public park, or within one
hundred feet of a
cemetery.
Stay alert,
Debra
I was just thinking the same thing!
----- Original Message -----
From: KidClerk(a)aol.com
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
Wow Rich...great minds must think alike!
-Kyle
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Hi Bill,
Let me see if I can connect the dots a bit better here. It is already illegal to disturb the ground within a cemetery in Indiana. This includes probing for buried markers; and, as we all know, the DNR is not currently enforcing this particular part of the existing statute.
With the new definition of an artifact as it's been added here, pioneer era headstones, bases, footstones and fragments will now be considered artifacts, and will necessarily need to be dealt with as an archaeological resource.
There are a number of small start-up businesses involved in cemetery restoration that clearly will be adversely impacted by the proposed amendment; particularly, if these are ultimately enforced.
I don't think that this is the intention, or maybe it is? In either case, redefining what an artifact is in Indiana has a far greater impact than is apparent here. I suggest that this has been unnecessarily added to this amendment with obvious ulterior motives and that it should be stricken.
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: William Spurlock
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Fw: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
Without reading the entire proposed law, only the summary one thing jumped
right out at me. "Except for certain coal operations, requires an approved
development plan to disturb the ground within 100 feet of a burial ground or
cemetery." If it's good for everyone else then it should be good for the
coal companies as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Green [mailto:rgreen@insightbb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:04 AM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Fw: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
This is interesting reading. I doubt if many folks will find time to read
this thoroughly at this time of year though?
In any event, I guess I don't understand how changing the definition of an
artifact in this manner pertains in any way to the preservation of
cemeteries? As is typical of previous such submissions, there seems to be
an ulterior interest attached to this amendment of the statute. Maybe Mrs.
Munson will explain this when she signs back on.
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: Lois Mauk
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Fw: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
I just received the following message from Cheryl Munson, an Indiana
archeologist. The file she sent me included the following proposed
definition change and proposed bill summary:
Defines "artifact", for purposes of the historic preservation
law,
as any human made object that is more than 100 years old.
Requires
a person to contact the department of natural resources to
determine
whether the ground that will be disturbed is within 100 feet
of
a recorded
burial ground or cemetery. Except for certain coal operations,
requires
an approved development plan to disturb the ground within 100
feet
of a burial ground or cemetery.
The text of the changes this bill will propose can be found at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/20041991-005.pdf
I personally don't know any more about this proposal or the individuals
involved in making it. Cheryl, you are welcome to re-join the INPCRP
e-mail
group to participate in any discussion about this matter. Just send a
one-word message consisting of the word "SUBSCRIBE" to
INPCRP-L-REQUEST(a)rootsweb.com.
Lois Mauk
Former INPCRP State Coordinator
----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl a. munson" <munsonc(a)indiana.edu>
To: <LoisMauk(a)usa.net>
Cc: "Ron Baldwin" <rbaldwin4792(a)yahoo.com>; <rbaldwin(a)bluemarble.net>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
> Hi Lois:
>
> Are you still working on this issue? -- I hope so.
>
> Is there a state-wide email news-list for this issue? -- Ditto.
>
> I've been working with Rep. Matt Pierce of Bloomington, who will
introduce
> a bill to expand cemetery protection by requiring anyone, anywhere
> building a structure (house, subdivision, commericial, industrial),
> modifying one, putting in or modifying a sand or gravel mine, a oil/gas
> well or facility, a utility line or facility to check with DNR's
cemetery
> registry IN ADVANCE.
>
> Please see attached file.
>
> How can we get the word out to people across the state that this is
> important legislation?
>
> You, and Ron and MaryJane Baldwin of Bloomington were very good at
> testifying in that last legislative effort. As were others who I don't
> know....
>
> I've been told that citizen action -- plus telling about "horrid
examles"
> -- is probably critical to getting this bill through, since these
> industries are not very regulated, and have powerful lobbies.
>
> The legislation will be introduced in early January and a committee
> hearing might be in middele January.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Cheryl Ann Munson
>
> Archaeology, Rm. 190 or: Department of Anthropology
> 2611 East 10th Street Student Building 130
> Indiana University Indiana University
> Bloomington, IN 47408 Bloomington, IN 47405
> Phone: (812) 855-0528 FAX: (812) 855-4358
> NEW FAX #: (812) 856-4187
> e-mail: munsonc(a)indiana.edu
>
> ***********************************************************************
> For information about research at the archaeological sites of
> Hovey Lake, Prather, Bone Bank, Murphy, and others, see:
>
> http://www.indiana.edu/~archaeo
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
Well, Bill caught the coal language too, but something more interesting
jumped out at me... If I use a loose interpretation of this language (which no
doubt is entirely possible) a tombstone will be considered an "artifact" in
accordance with this definition if it is over 100 years old as it was no doubt "made
or shaped by human workmanship". What kind of protection will this
legislation give to these 'artifacts' that it defines and will that prevent Walt or
Mark or any of us from removing them from the cemetery, taking them back to the
shop to restore, and then returning them in 100% better condition than they
were found? I hate to be a Scrooge this time of year, but I don't want some well
intentioned legislative change to be misinterpreted and do more damage than
good. Sorta like the language that prevents us from locating and digging up a
tombstone that is three inches below the surface of the earth because
disturbing the soil in a cemetery is forbidden. I hate to always be the devil's
advocate here, but I'd rather discuss this now in this forum than after it's too
late.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Kyle
This is interesting reading. I doubt if many folks will find time to read this thoroughly at this time of year though?
In any event, I guess I don't understand how changing the definition of an artifact in this manner pertains in any way to the preservation of cemeteries? As is typical of previous such submissions, there seems to be an ulterior interest attached to this amendment of the statute. Maybe Mrs. Munson will explain this when she signs back on.
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: Lois Mauk
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:21 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Fw: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
I just received the following message from Cheryl Munson, an Indiana
archeologist. The file she sent me included the following proposed
definition change and proposed bill summary:
Defines "artifact", for purposes of the historic preservation
law,
as any human made object that is more than 100 years old.
Requires
a person to contact the department of natural resources to
determine
whether the ground that will be disturbed is within 100 feet of
a recorded
burial ground or cemetery. Except for certain coal operations,
requires
an approved development plan to disturb the ground within 100
feet
of a burial ground or cemetery.
The text of the changes this bill will propose can be found at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/20041991-005.pdf
I personally don't know any more about this proposal or the individuals
involved in making it. Cheryl, you are welcome to re-join the INPCRP e-mail
group to participate in any discussion about this matter. Just send a
one-word message consisting of the word "SUBSCRIBE" to
INPCRP-L-REQUEST(a)rootsweb.com.
Lois Mauk
Former INPCRP State Coordinator
----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl a. munson" <munsonc(a)indiana.edu>
To: <LoisMauk(a)usa.net>
Cc: "Ron Baldwin" <rbaldwin4792(a)yahoo.com>; <rbaldwin(a)bluemarble.net>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
> Hi Lois:
>
> Are you still working on this issue? -- I hope so.
>
> Is there a state-wide email news-list for this issue? -- Ditto.
>
> I've been working with Rep. Matt Pierce of Bloomington, who will introduce
> a bill to expand cemetery protection by requiring anyone, anywhere
> building a structure (house, subdivision, commericial, industrial),
> modifying one, putting in or modifying a sand or gravel mine, a oil/gas
> well or facility, a utility line or facility to check with DNR's cemetery
> registry IN ADVANCE.
>
> Please see attached file.
>
> How can we get the word out to people across the state that this is
> important legislation?
>
> You, and Ron and MaryJane Baldwin of Bloomington were very good at
> testifying in that last legislative effort. As were others who I don't
> know....
>
> I've been told that citizen action -- plus telling about "horrid examles"
> -- is probably critical to getting this bill through, since these
> industries are not very regulated, and have powerful lobbies.
>
> The legislation will be introduced in early January and a committee
> hearing might be in middele January.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Cheryl Ann Munson
>
> Archaeology, Rm. 190 or: Department of Anthropology
> 2611 East 10th Street Student Building 130
> Indiana University Indiana University
> Bloomington, IN 47408 Bloomington, IN 47405
> Phone: (812) 855-0528 FAX: (812) 855-4358
> NEW FAX #: (812) 856-4187
> e-mail: munsonc(a)indiana.edu
>
> ***********************************************************************
> For information about research at the archaeological sites of
> Hovey Lake, Prather, Bone Bank, Murphy, and others, see:
>
> http://www.indiana.edu/~archaeo
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
"Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
undisguised. This is a cemetery.
"Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
"Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
"A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
--Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
I just received the following message from Cheryl Munson, an Indiana
archeologist. The file she sent me included the following proposed
definition change and proposed bill summary:
Defines "artifact", for purposes of the historic preservation
law,
as any human made object that is more than 100 years old.
Requires
a person to contact the department of natural resources to
determine
whether the ground that will be disturbed is within 100 feet of
a recorded
burial ground or cemetery. Except for certain coal operations,
requires
an approved development plan to disturb the ground within 100
feet
of a burial ground or cemetery.
The text of the changes this bill will propose can be found at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/20041991-005.pdf
I personally don't know any more about this proposal or the individuals
involved in making it. Cheryl, you are welcome to re-join the INPCRP e-mail
group to participate in any discussion about this matter. Just send a
one-word message consisting of the word "SUBSCRIBE" to
INPCRP-L-REQUEST(a)rootsweb.com.
Lois Mauk
Former INPCRP State Coordinator
----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl a. munson" <munsonc(a)indiana.edu>
To: <LoisMauk(a)usa.net>
Cc: "Ron Baldwin" <rbaldwin4792(a)yahoo.com>; <rbaldwin(a)bluemarble.net>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: cemetery protection -- Indiana legislation
> Hi Lois:
>
> Are you still working on this issue? -- I hope so.
>
> Is there a state-wide email news-list for this issue? -- Ditto.
>
> I've been working with Rep. Matt Pierce of Bloomington, who will introduce
> a bill to expand cemetery protection by requiring anyone, anywhere
> building a structure (house, subdivision, commericial, industrial),
> modifying one, putting in or modifying a sand or gravel mine, a oil/gas
> well or facility, a utility line or facility to check with DNR's cemetery
> registry IN ADVANCE.
>
> Please see attached file.
>
> How can we get the word out to people across the state that this is
> important legislation?
>
> You, and Ron and MaryJane Baldwin of Bloomington were very good at
> testifying in that last legislative effort. As were others who I don't
> know....
>
> I've been told that citizen action -- plus telling about "horrid examles"
> -- is probably critical to getting this bill through, since these
> industries are not very regulated, and have powerful lobbies.
>
> The legislation will be introduced in early January and a committee
> hearing might be in middele January.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Cheryl Ann Munson
>
> Archaeology, Rm. 190 or: Department of Anthropology
> 2611 East 10th Street Student Building 130
> Indiana University Indiana University
> Bloomington, IN 47408 Bloomington, IN 47405
> Phone: (812) 855-0528 FAX: (812) 855-4358
> NEW FAX #: (812) 856-4187
> e-mail: munsonc(a)indiana.edu
>
> ***********************************************************************
> For information about research at the archaeological sites of
> Hovey Lake, Prather, Bone Bank, Murphy, and others, see:
>
> http://www.indiana.edu/~archaeo
Hello,
Does the INPCRP have monthly meetings where a person
such as me ( one who is trying to organize a similar
organization in East Central Illinois) can attend and
brainstorm?
Jim Mulligan
Champaign, Champaign County, Illinois
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Debra Rookard" <d_rookard(a)adelphia.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Wrong Page
| Well, tenacity has nothing to do with cable. Having trouble finding
| yesterday's headlines. Lebanon's archives leaves a little to be desired.
| I'll post this when I locate it. ;- }
|
| Debra
|
|
|
| ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
| THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
| "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
| are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
| undisguised. This is a cemetery.
| "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
| historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
| "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
| in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
| not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
| memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
| "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
| yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
| exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
| --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
|
|
|
Well, tenacity has nothing to do with cable. Having trouble finding
yesterday's headlines. Lebanon's archives leaves a little to be desired.
I'll post this when I locate it. ;- }
Debra
Relic hunter receives 37 months in prison
By Jace Radke
LAS VEGAS SUN
A 45-year-old Oklahoma man was sentenced Monday to 37 months in prison and
ordered to pay $102,364.40 in restitution for his part in illegally
excavating Native American artifacts from protected public lands.
Bobbie Wilkie, a former Las Vegas resident, apologized before U.S. District
Judge James Mahan for taking artifacts in connection with a case that
federal investigators say involved a ring of looters who took more than
11,000 archaeological artifacts for their own benefit.
"This is all very confusing to me," Wilkie told Mahan during Monday's
sentencing. "I went out with these guys and done some stuff out there that
was wrong. I didn't realize how wrong it was.
"Sometimes we'd go out and go camping and sometimes we'd go out and go
artifact hunting."
Wilkie's sentence could have been shortened for accepting responsibility,
but Mahan said that Wilkie had not shown any contrition, remorse or regret
in interviews with federal probation officers or during the sentencing.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Margaret Stanish said that Wilkie had told
probation officers that he had done nothing more than take 30 to 50
arrowheads, despite his plea agreement to two counts of excavation and
removal of archaeological resources and aiding and abetting.
More than 100 items, including basket fragments and sandals, were recovered
from Wilkie's home, and evidence showed that Wilkie knew he was illegally
looting artifacts, Stanish said.
"We have pictures of him carrying his shovel that he nicknamed
'Lucky,'¢thº" Stanish said.
Stanish also said that investigators recovered ancient human remains during
the course of the two-year investigation dubbed Operation Indian Rocks, but
that because of a lack of cooperation by Wilkie and others the original
locations of those remains is unknown.
Wilkie was the second defendant to be sentenced in connection with
Operation Indian Rocks, which revealed that more than $500,000 in artifacts
had been removed from sites on public lands.
According to court documents, arrowheads, ancient corncobs, hammer-stones,
clay figurine fragments and other objects were taken from sites in Nevada,
California, and other Western states.
Between December 1997 and December 2001 the defendants conspired to
"unlawfully excavate, remove damage and otherwise alter and deface
archaeological resources located on designated, federal public lands,"
according to court documents.
A total of 13 sites were damaged, including areas in Death Valley National
Recreation Area, White Cliff Petroglyph Site and Kane Springs Wash, both
about 100 miles north o Las Vegas.
All five defendants have pleaded guilty to charges in connection with the
case.
Kevin Peterson, a 43-year-old all-terrain vehicle tour guide in Overton, is
scheduled to be sentenced on Jan. 16. Bobbie Wilkie's former wife, Deanne
Wilkie, 44, of Carson City, is scheduled to be sentenced on Jan. 12, and
David Peeler, 53, of Las Vegas, is scheduled to be sentenced on Friday.
Frank Embrey, 54, of Henderson, was sentenced in August to 18 months in
prison and ordered to pay $86,196 in restitution.
Historic sites on public lands are protected by the 1906 Antiquities Act
and the 1979 Archaeological Resource Protection Act, which make it illegal
to destroy or excavate in these areas.
Operation Indian Rocks resulted in the creation of an inter-agency task
force comprised of archeologists and law enforcement personnel from the
National Park Service, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Bureau of Land
Management.
Mark Davis
4 Lakeview Ct.
Hartford City,Indiana 47348
md9105(a)skyenet.net
With malice toward none, with charity for all,with
firmness in the right as God gives us to see the
right,let us strive on to finish the work we are in...
A. Lincoln March 4,1865
I think that you will find that if the State knows the cemeteries are
there, they will go to great lengths to miss them. That is probably why
Jeannie & the DNR is inquiring about the size and location, so the highway
engineers can plan around them. They will not knowingly destroy one, and
will avoid re-locating one if at all possible.
At 04:05 PM 12/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Wanted to share this from Rush County...
>rushcolist(a)lds.net
> I maybe asking for help to stop the destruction or moving of these 2
> very old grave yards.
>Diana in Rush Co.
Wanted to share this from Rush County...
rushcolist(a)lds.net
Feel free to send me you look-ups fur the very old cemeteries.
also
I got word from the DNR that the state may be doing some work on Hy. 244 in Orange Twp......Jeannie with the DNR had questioned the location and size of the Macklin/Maclin grave yard......I also told her about the Redenbough/Waggoner grave yard....both in Sec 7 along Hy 244.....I do not know just yet how the plans might effect these sites but I maybe asking for help to stop the destruction or moving of these 2 very old grave yards.
Diana in Rush Co.
My schedule is so ridiculous I'm lucky to be able to open my emails let
alone reply to any half the time that is why it is 2:00 a.m. now. HAHA!! Let
me know and maybe I'll have a free minute or 2.HAHA
Penni Bennett
----- Original Message -----
From: <KidClerk(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery tours
> Penni:
>
> We're only a little more than an hour from you, so there's no reason why
you
> can't join us. I'll be sure to post the date and information on the list
when
> we have all the plans worked out.
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
> Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
> Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname
and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a
better venue.
> Thank you.
>
>
Hello everyone,
I have a question about the pine needles. If they are very acidic, will
this have an impact on the stones themselves. I know that certain types of
soil will react differently with the stones, so could this change the makeup
of the soil and cause more problems for the stones? Also, will this make
the soil around the stones hold water more, adding to the problem of
moisture against the stones that are set directly in the ground?
Helen Wildermuth
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:11 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] pine needles as groundcover
> Thanks for everyone's input!
> This particular cemetery sits in the middle of a corn/soybean field. There
are no trees. No plants, no yuccas, no periwinkle,
> just horse weeds. The pine needle idea would certainly not be for every
cemetery, but I think it may help here.
> Old Parrott Cemetery was in trouble in 1970 when stones were being moved
to Everton Cemetery a few miles down the road. Thank Goodness that someone
objected and the move was stopped, well all but seven stones. We intend to
return those seven stones back to their respective spot this spring.
> During the restoration of Old Parrott we located the footstones of these
seven and actually located the slotted bases. The records at Everton Church
noted that the stones were moved, but not the bodies. We found the stones
placed in concrete bases in between larger monuments at the Everton
Cemetery. I am confident that once the seven stones are returned to the
graves Old Parrott Cemetery will be apx. 95% Historically accurate.
> So, in 1970 the vegetation was about to be corn/soybeans.
> The cemetery looks real nice now, but grows thick 5-6 foot horse weeds
each year. The stones are getting chipped when they cut it back each year.
They use to burn it off prior to 1996, but I simply refused to burn it as a
way of maintenance.
> Thanks again for each of your replies, I'll let you know how things
workout.
> Walt
>
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> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
Sue,
I feel I owe you an apology for not including you in the cemeteries
saved thru your intervention in California. I follow you on the different Lists
out there. I also appreciate your input on the INPCRP List. You are to be
commended for your dedication. It seems like most people in California are like I
was, what Cemetery,? on Friday evening I gassed up the motor Home and headed
for Pismo Beach, or up to Shirley Meadows to Ski till Sunday evening. I did work
on a couple of cemeteries in the valley that weren't in to bad a shape. I had
to much to do on weekends, Now I am sorry I felt that way. Keep up the good
job you are doing, I wish I could help. If you are serious about the $200
dollars to the California List after Christmas to help keep it going, I may find a
little to kick in. Good work, and God Bless
Jack
See, all that was needed was to shake the bushes and we all awakened and
ideas started to flow. Keep it up. The winter is a time when we can't do much
outside. but we can keep the Ideas flowing for the Spring, if nothing else.
Jack
jackbriles(a)aol.com
Bill,
You have the tenacity of a Bulldog, I don't know how many cemeteries
you have saved, or helped save, but I applaud your hard and diligent work. The
man up above, whoever he may be know as, must look down on you and smile,
just as some that hear your name mentioned frown. Keep up the good work. I for
one applaud you.
jackbriles(a)aol.com
Jack E. Briles Sr
New Albany, In.