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Go to the Commander of the district state police post, in person. As a
rule they will take it very seriously.
First make sure groundhogs aren't a possibility. I have seen them take
over the hollow of a grave and shift the bones sometimes over or out.
Also I recovered a slab/tablet type tombstone that had sunk
straight down, with the top more than 10 inches from the surface. This
seems to happen in graves that border the side of a hill or ravine.
I have seen two gravesites in opposite ends of the county where some
idiot dug.
One registered alot of metal on a detector, perhaps that was what
prompted the fool to dig, thinking he would find something valuable.
Neither crime was
solved. I believe they blamed "cult" activity which seemed to be
reaching its peak in the late 80's. In any event both dug on the wrong
side on the tombstone.
Lee Creed
Greencastle
If my understanding of Jeannie Regan-Dinius' explanation of the DNR's role
is correct, the DNR has the responsibility of enforcing the laws pertaining
to the cemetery, but not the power to PROSECUTE the laws. They can make
someone stop building by a cemetery or allowing livestock in a cemetery, but
the county prosecutor has to enforce the law and take them to court. If the
local prosecutor will not take them to court, the DNR can't do anything else
to that person. If I'm mistaken, maybe Jeannie can explain more, but that I
what I heard her tell us at the restoration workshop in Camby last May. This
is the way the state has set things up, the DNR has limited powers.
[snip]
But that's the way the law works everywhere (just like the intro to Law & Order says). It's always up to the prosecutor to actually prosecute - all the police agencies can do is investigate and take the info to the prosecutor. It's true they can pressure the prosecutor, but only so much.
Which, of course, begs the issues of 1) a court willing to take such a silly thing as desecrating cemeteries seriously and 2) police agencies willing to investigate.
I believe there are things we can do to push the process. Public education is one, because judges are elected, sheriffs are elected, etc. Educating the judges and getting them on our side will help and, to some extent, educating all county officials (they all do talk to each other) will help. And getting your local newspaper involved will help.
None of which are easy...
Something that Jon and Lee brought up in their discussion that is correct and
possibly could warrant some 'education' is the fact that prosecuting
attorneys have sole discretion whether or not to bring charges against someone. What
you will find is officers know which prosecutors are easy to work with and
willing to file criminal actions, and those are the counties they will work in
more and go after offenders more often. This basically means that cemetery
vandalism could go unpunished in one county while in the county next door the book
could be thrown at the individuals responsible. As cynical as Jon sounds,
he's right as far as how many agencies COULD do something as well as how many
COULD keep something from getting done. Just having police officers make a
case is step #1. You've got to have a prosecutor file charges, and a judge
willing to make a stand. In the case of juveniles, the latter is probably the most
difficult. HOWEVER....we must still keep on fighting for enforcement of
current and all subsequent legislation as it pertains to our cemeteries...
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN
Yes, I agree. Its a law enforcement issue and calling the DNR is the
last agency I would choose. I did see one prosecutor go out in person
and stop people from encroaching on an old graveyard, and threaten them
with hell and everything else. Sadly it is a rarity to have much done
but excuse making. I wish I had
the magic formula that would see enforcement of these laws work.......
Lee Creed
Greencastle
Lee:
I agree, except I'm a little tired of hearing how over worked and under paid
everybody is. If they can't handle it or better yet don't want to, then they
ought to get out of the cemetery biz and let some other agency address the
problem. Right now is a classic time for this discussion, for yesterday was
the first day of shotgun season. I'll bet you could have dug up and moved
an entire cemetery this weekend and you couldn't have got a response out of
the DNR-C.O. if you could have found his telephone number. In Knox County,
you have to contact the Sheriff's Dept., then they relay the message and if
you're lucky the C.O. gets back to you in about a week, if at all. Meth and
deer poaching, now that's where the excitement is. If we could only get
those guys to hunt and shoot up in a cemetery.
Jon Andrews
>From: Armytruck(a)webtv.net (Lee)
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>The DNR is spread way too thin, and has
>a wide series of laws to enforce.
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Jon is absolutely right, unless you can get a criminal report from the
investigating agency, and a good one at that, no prosecutor or assistant
prosecutor will touch it. Some offices employ an investigator, who
might go out and get a clearer picture before charges are filed.
Then of course it is still up to the office,
good luck.
The DNR is spread way too thin, and has
a wide series of laws to enforce.
Lee Creed
Greencastle
Ernie:
I believe you're right. But, trustees don't always follow the law. Would you
argue my case in Pike County? There are 4 separate known instances where the
trustee has built fence with public money.
Why? Because, they don't answer to anyone. My point is, the DNR-Law
Enforcement shouldn't tell me, that I could solve the problem by putting up
my own fence. When I called them out, I thought it was an open and shut
case. Not so! Seems like today, if it's obvious, it probably can't be done
that way.
Kind of like calling the law on a drug dealer living next door and they tell
you, well you have the option to move. Makes you wonder who they're working
for. Who they're protecting?
Jon Andrews
>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] clarification
>Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:36:42 -0600
>
>Jon,
>
>In Indiana, the Township Trustee is known as "the keeper of the fence", but
>spends no public funds to build fenced between landowners. By law, the
>landowner pays for and erects the half of a property line fence "on his
>right hand side" of the line, or the fence can be erected by someone else
>and each landowner pays half the costs. The only duty of the trustee is
>when a dispute arises between two land owners regarding placement and
>maintenance of line fences, the trustee is to make determination according
>to Indiana law 32-10-9. The Trustee does not pay for any part of the
>fence.
>
>Only in "open range" states are you required to fence your property to keep
>the neighbors livestock off your property. Indiana is not an "open range"
>state, the owner of the livestock is required to erect an adequate fence to
>hold his livestock, and can be held liable for any damages caused if his
>livestock gets out.
>
>Ernie
>
>
>At 04:56 PM 11/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>>Larry:
>>It is against the law to allow animals in a cemetery. Whether or not it is
>>the landowners responsibility to put up a fence or not depends on the
>>situation with the location and title to the cemetery, but he definitely
>>is responsible for any damage.
>>Yes, the DNR is the enforcement agency and the C.O.'s are their legal
>>arm. As I have said before, the laws are already on the books and all they
>>need to do is enforce them.
>>Do you know that the Conservation Officers in Indiana have even won awards
>>from the DAHP for their protection of cemeteries in the past, with
>>pictures in their newsletters. Try and get them to do something. Their
>>stock answer is, "Yeah, you're right, but........."
>>Off subject, kind of but, I have a neighbor who's cows get out on a
>>regular basis. He has a fenced area across the road. I don't have a fence,
>>because I don't feel that I need one. I was told by the C.O. that I could
>>shoot the cow if it was on my property and destroying anything or I could
>>put up a fence. Why should I have to put up a fence to keep his cows out.
>>If he would feed them they would stay home!
>>I was also told that if he built a fence between him and his neighbor,
>>that the trustee would pay for half the fence because the neighbor has no
>>livestock and he shouldn't have to bear the costs. But, he won't pay for
>>mine, because I am on the other side of the road. The trustee can't even
>>keep the local cemeteries fenced, yet he's out building fence for
>>everybody in the township to keep their cows in.
>>There is something wrong here and I still say they make the rules up as
>>they go.
>>Jon Andrews
>>
>>
>>>From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl(a)indiana.edu>
>>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>>Subject: [INPCRP] clarification
>>>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:41 -0500
>>>
>>>Is it my imagination or is there a law on the books in Indiana that
>>>requires farmers to fence graveyards to prevent cattle from roaming
>>>through them?
>>>
>>>If that is the case, would the DNR be the ones to enforce those laws?
>>>
>>>
>>>Larry V. Stephens
>>>Office of Risk Management
>>>812-855-9758
>>>stephenL(a)indiana.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>>>Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
>>>Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
>>>comments you may have about the INPCRP.
>>
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>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
>>have."
>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>>
>
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Rhonda:
You are correct, but in the same token the State Police, County Sheriff,
local law enforcement all fall under the same laws. They have to make their
case and there is still no assurance that the prosecutor will prosecute. The
Prosecutor, however, is only going to act as hard as the agency pushes it
and in this case the DNR- Law Enforcement doesn't do avery good job, in my
opinion. Now, if this was a deer poaching or so you killed an Indiana Black
Crayfish (they're endangered you know) by polluting, they would be all over
you. But we're only talking about cemeteries here! Bear in mind, all state
agencies have access to administrative law judges who can impose fines
through the Attorney General's Office.
But they won't, unless you went out and dug up a body or something.
Jon Andrews
>From: Rhonda Stoffer <rstoffer(a)marion.lib.in.us>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: RE: [INPCRP] clarification
>Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:30:32 -0500
>
>Jon,
>
>If my understanding of Jeannie Regan-Dinius' explanation of the DNR's role
>is correct, the DNR has the responsibility of enforcing the laws pertaining
>to the cemetery, but not the power to PROSECUTE the laws. They can make
>someone stop building by a cemetery or allowing livestock in a cemetery,
>but
>the county prosecutor has to enforce the law and take them to court. If the
>local prosecutor will not take them to court, the DNR can't do anything
>else
>to that person. If I'm mistaken, maybe Jeannie can explain more, but that I
>what I heard her tell us at the restoration workshop in Camby last May.
>This
>is the way the state has set things up, the DNR has limited powers.
>
>Rhonda Stoffer
>Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services
>Marion Public Library
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jon andrews [mailto:sianoil@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:57 PM
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] clarification
>
>
>Larry:
>It is against the law to allow animals in a cemetery. Whether or not it is
>the landowners responsibility to put up a fence or not depends on the
>situation with the location and title to the cemetery, but he definitely is
>responsible for any damage.
>Yes, the DNR is the enforcement agency and the C.O.'s are their legal arm.
>As I have said before, the laws are already on the books and all they need
>to do is enforce them.
>Do you know that the Conservation Officers in Indiana have even won awards
>from the DAHP for their protection of cemeteries in the past, with pictures
>in their newsletters. Try and get them to do something. Their stock answer
>is, "Yeah, you're right, but........."
>Off subject, kind of but, I have a neighbor who's cows get out on a regular
>basis. He has a fenced area across the road. I don't have a fence, because
>I
>
>don't feel that I need one. I was told by the C.O. that I could shoot the
>cow if it was on my property and destroying anything or I could put up a
>fence. Why should I have to put up a fence to keep his cows out. If he
>would
>
>feed them they would stay home!
>I was also told that if he built a fence between him and his neighbor, that
>the trustee would pay for half the fence because the neighbor has no
>livestock and he shouldn't have to bear the costs. But, he won't pay for
>mine, because I am on the other side of the road. The trustee can't even
>keep the local cemeteries fenced, yet he's out building fence for everybody
>in the township to keep their cows in.
>There is something wrong here and I still say they make the rules up as
>they
>
>go.
>Jon Andrews
>
>
> >From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl(a)indiana.edu>
> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: [INPCRP] clarification
> >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:41 -0500
> >
> >Is it my imagination or is there a law on the books in Indiana that
> >requires farmers to fence graveyards to prevent cattle from roaming
>through
>
> >them?
> >
> >If that is the case, would the DNR be the ones to enforce those laws?
> >
> >
> >Larry V. Stephens
> >Office of Risk Management
> >812-855-9758
> >stephenL(a)indiana.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
> >Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
> >comments you may have about the INPCRP.
> >
>
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>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
>have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
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Jon,
If my understanding of Jeannie Regan-Dinius' explanation of the DNR's role
is correct, the DNR has the responsibility of enforcing the laws pertaining
to the cemetery, but not the power to PROSECUTE the laws. They can make
someone stop building by a cemetery or allowing livestock in a cemetery, but
the county prosecutor has to enforce the law and take them to court. If the
local prosecutor will not take them to court, the DNR can't do anything else
to that person. If I'm mistaken, maybe Jeannie can explain more, but that I
what I heard her tell us at the restoration workshop in Camby last May. This
is the way the state has set things up, the DNR has limited powers.
Rhonda Stoffer
Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services
Marion Public Library
-----Original Message-----
From: jon andrews [mailto:sianoil@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 4:57 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] clarification
Larry:
It is against the law to allow animals in a cemetery. Whether or not it is
the landowners responsibility to put up a fence or not depends on the
situation with the location and title to the cemetery, but he definitely is
responsible for any damage.
Yes, the DNR is the enforcement agency and the C.O.'s are their legal arm.
As I have said before, the laws are already on the books and all they need
to do is enforce them.
Do you know that the Conservation Officers in Indiana have even won awards
from the DAHP for their protection of cemeteries in the past, with pictures
in their newsletters. Try and get them to do something. Their stock answer
is, "Yeah, you're right, but........."
Off subject, kind of but, I have a neighbor who's cows get out on a regular
basis. He has a fenced area across the road. I don't have a fence, because I
don't feel that I need one. I was told by the C.O. that I could shoot the
cow if it was on my property and destroying anything or I could put up a
fence. Why should I have to put up a fence to keep his cows out. If he would
feed them they would stay home!
I was also told that if he built a fence between him and his neighbor, that
the trustee would pay for half the fence because the neighbor has no
livestock and he shouldn't have to bear the costs. But, he won't pay for
mine, because I am on the other side of the road. The trustee can't even
keep the local cemeteries fenced, yet he's out building fence for everybody
in the township to keep their cows in.
There is something wrong here and I still say they make the rules up as they
go.
Jon Andrews
>From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl(a)indiana.edu>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] clarification
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:41 -0500
>
>Is it my imagination or is there a law on the books in Indiana that
>requires farmers to fence graveyards to prevent cattle from roaming through
>them?
>
>If that is the case, would the DNR be the ones to enforce those laws?
>
>
>Larry V. Stephens
>Office of Risk Management
>812-855-9758
>stephenL(a)indiana.edu
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
>Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
>comments you may have about the INPCRP.
>
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"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have."
Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
Sell stuff...!!!!!
Have a bake sale, a cookie sale, a cake sale...a local cookbook sale...a
candy sale etc.
I make a lot of money on 'eBay'. [Don't laugh...]
Ask for donations...Your cause is probably 'non profit'...
Go to the library and check out books on fund raising...
Have a neighborhood 'yard sale'
Sell raffle tickets { get a local business to contribute a 'gift' to be
given as a prize
There are many many ways to raise money especially for a 'good
cause'...everybody is almost always willing to help you out.
Good luck
Just don't be timid !!!
allbest
Sue Noe
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From: <Mdf1959(a)aol.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] fundraising ideas? Help!
> Hey List,
> I've been in contact with Walt about restoring a Pioneer Cemetery in
Dearborn County, IN and am hoping to raise funds to get the job done. Has
anyone on this list done any fundraising for a cemetery restoration project?
Does anyone have any ideas for me? I really need some input! Anyone????
>
> Madonna Davis Marks
> mdf1959(a)aol.com
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
Larry:
It is against the law to allow animals in a cemetery. Whether or not it is
the landowners responsibility to put up a fence or not depends on the
situation with the location and title to the cemetery, but he definitely is
responsible for any damage.
Yes, the DNR is the enforcement agency and the C.O.'s are their legal arm.
As I have said before, the laws are already on the books and all they need
to do is enforce them.
Do you know that the Conservation Officers in Indiana have even won awards
from the DAHP for their protection of cemeteries in the past, with pictures
in their newsletters. Try and get them to do something. Their stock answer
is, "Yeah, you're right, but........."
Off subject, kind of but, I have a neighbor who's cows get out on a regular
basis. He has a fenced area across the road. I don't have a fence, because I
don't feel that I need one. I was told by the C.O. that I could shoot the
cow if it was on my property and destroying anything or I could put up a
fence. Why should I have to put up a fence to keep his cows out. If he would
feed them they would stay home!
I was also told that if he built a fence between him and his neighbor, that
the trustee would pay for half the fence because the neighbor has no
livestock and he shouldn't have to bear the costs. But, he won't pay for
mine, because I am on the other side of the road. The trustee can't even
keep the local cemeteries fenced, yet he's out building fence for everybody
in the township to keep their cows in.
There is something wrong here and I still say they make the rules up as they
go.
Jon Andrews
>From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl(a)indiana.edu>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] clarification
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:41 -0500
>
>Is it my imagination or is there a law on the books in Indiana that
>requires farmers to fence graveyards to prevent cattle from roaming through
>them?
>
>If that is the case, would the DNR be the ones to enforce those laws?
>
>
>Larry V. Stephens
>Office of Risk Management
>812-855-9758
>stephenL(a)indiana.edu
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
>Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
>comments you may have about the INPCRP.
>
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Jon,
In Indiana, the Township Trustee is known as "the keeper of the fence", but
spends no public funds to build fenced between landowners. By law, the
landowner pays for and erects the half of a property line fence "on his
right hand side" of the line, or the fence can be erected by someone else
and each landowner pays half the costs. The only duty of the trustee is
when a dispute arises between two land owners regarding placement and
maintenance of line fences, the trustee is to make determination according
to Indiana law 32-10-9. The Trustee does not pay for any part of the fence.
Only in "open range" states are you required to fence your property to keep
the neighbors livestock off your property. Indiana is not an "open range"
state, the owner of the livestock is required to erect an adequate fence to
hold his livestock, and can be held liable for any damages caused if his
livestock gets out.
Ernie
At 04:56 PM 11/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Larry:
>It is against the law to allow animals in a cemetery. Whether or not it is
>the landowners responsibility to put up a fence or not depends on the
>situation with the location and title to the cemetery, but he definitely
>is responsible for any damage.
>Yes, the DNR is the enforcement agency and the C.O.'s are their legal
>arm. As I have said before, the laws are already on the books and all they
>need to do is enforce them.
>Do you know that the Conservation Officers in Indiana have even won awards
>from the DAHP for their protection of cemeteries in the past, with
>pictures in their newsletters. Try and get them to do something. Their
>stock answer is, "Yeah, you're right, but........."
>Off subject, kind of but, I have a neighbor who's cows get out on a
>regular basis. He has a fenced area across the road. I don't have a fence,
>because I don't feel that I need one. I was told by the C.O. that I could
>shoot the cow if it was on my property and destroying anything or I could
>put up a fence. Why should I have to put up a fence to keep his cows out.
>If he would feed them they would stay home!
>I was also told that if he built a fence between him and his neighbor,
>that the trustee would pay for half the fence because the neighbor has no
>livestock and he shouldn't have to bear the costs. But, he won't pay for
>mine, because I am on the other side of the road. The trustee can't even
>keep the local cemeteries fenced, yet he's out building fence for
>everybody in the township to keep their cows in.
>There is something wrong here and I still say they make the rules up as
>they go.
>Jon Andrews
>
>
>>From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl(a)indiana.edu>
>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>Subject: [INPCRP] clarification
>>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:41 -0500
>>
>>Is it my imagination or is there a law on the books in Indiana that
>>requires farmers to fence graveyards to prevent cattle from roaming
>>through them?
>>
>>If that is the case, would the DNR be the ones to enforce those laws?
>>
>>
>>Larry V. Stephens
>>Office of Risk Management
>>812-855-9758
>>stephenL(a)indiana.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>>Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
>>Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
>>comments you may have about the INPCRP.
>
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> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
Hey List,
I've been in contact with Walt about restoring a Pioneer Cemetery in Dearborn County, IN and am hoping to raise funds to get the job done. Has anyone on this list done any fundraising for a cemetery restoration project? Does anyone have any ideas for me? I really need some input! Anyone????
Madonna Davis Marks
mdf1959(a)aol.com
Is it my imagination or is there a law on the books in Indiana that requires farmers to fence graveyards to prevent cattle from roaming through them?
If that is the case, would the DNR be the ones to enforce those laws?
Larry V. Stephens
Office of Risk Management
812-855-9758
stephenL(a)indiana.edu
I believe you have the wrong person. My name is Mary. Hope you find
who you are looking for.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andi MacDonald [mailto:athenamac@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:29 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Land Trusts
Hi Jon,
Since my email is below, I assume you are asking me??? My answer would
be
the same as before...
" I've thought of a lot of things, such as trying to seek environmental
funds to manage them
as environmental land trusts do. Here we have so many forests that we
could
apply many of the environmental rules to them. For instance, if we
maintain a cemetery as a home for an endangered species, is there money
for
it from the Federal government? If we thin out many of the cemeteries
to a
certain number of trees per acre, is there Federal money for it? Or,
are
there environmental philanthropists that will provide money for other
reasons? There are so many things to look at."
Something that just came to mind is that here we have many volunteers
and
many nonprofit cemetery associations. We would hopefully have a
cemetery
association established to care for a specific cemetery in the land
trust.
Most of the work on the cemetery would be by volunteers wanting to
protect
it. On one cemetery I oversaw, I received funds from the county for
working
with local high school students using the cemetery as the "lab." And,
there
are often art grants that can be used for interpretive signage, artistic
fencing, and the like.
But, again, our main focus of the land trust is to first save the
cemeteries. Then we can look at how to preserve them.
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "jon andrews" <sianoil(a)hotmail.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Land Trusts
> So who would fund a cemetery placed in a land trust? Where would the
money
> come from?
>
>
> >From: "Andi MacDonald" <athenamac(a)verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: [INPCRP] Land Trusts
> >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:45:58 -0800
> >
> >I forgot to say in my lengthy last reply that Washington State
Cemetery
> >Association would be in control of any cemetery land trust we set up
here.
> >
> >Andi
> >
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister
of
> >England
> >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> > to high ideals."
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union,
IA
>
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
comments you may have about the INPCRP.
Hi Jon,
Since my email is below, I assume you are asking me??? My answer would be
the same as before...
" I've thought of a lot of things, such as trying to seek environmental
funds to manage them
as environmental land trusts do. Here we have so many forests that we could
apply many of the environmental rules to them. For instance, if we
maintain a cemetery as a home for an endangered species, is there money for
it from the Federal government? If we thin out many of the cemeteries to a
certain number of trees per acre, is there Federal money for it? Or, are
there environmental philanthropists that will provide money for other
reasons? There are so many things to look at."
Something that just came to mind is that here we have many volunteers and
many nonprofit cemetery associations. We would hopefully have a cemetery
association established to care for a specific cemetery in the land trust.
Most of the work on the cemetery would be by volunteers wanting to protect
it. On one cemetery I oversaw, I received funds from the county for working
with local high school students using the cemetery as the "lab." And, there
are often art grants that can be used for interpretive signage, artistic
fencing, and the like.
But, again, our main focus of the land trust is to first save the
cemeteries. Then we can look at how to preserve them.
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "jon andrews" <sianoil(a)hotmail.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Land Trusts
> So who would fund a cemetery placed in a land trust? Where would the money
> come from?
>
>
> >From: "Andi MacDonald" <athenamac(a)verizon.net>
> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: [INPCRP] Land Trusts
> >Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:45:58 -0800
> >
> >I forgot to say in my lengthy last reply that Washington State Cemetery
> >Association would be in control of any cemetery land trust we set up
here.
> >
> >Andi
> >
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
> >England
> >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> > to high ideals."
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95.
> https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
Isn't it wonderful to see progress after working so long and hard to get it.
Perseverance and patience finally paid off for you! Great news.
Helen Wildermuth
----- Original Message -----
From: <uebush(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Trustee Installs New Fence.
> Good news,
>
> New fence is installed at the Flat Rock Friends cemetery by the Liberty
Township Trustee. See article at: http://www.hcgs.net/hccc/flatrock2003.html
>
> UEB
> Henry County, IN
> INPCRP
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Scott Satterthwaite < ssattert(a)localnet.com > is the INPCRP State
Coordinator. Feel free to contact him directly regarding questions or
comments you may have about the INPCRP.
>
>
Good news,
New fence is installed at the Flat Rock Friends cemetery by the Liberty Township Trustee. See article at: http://www.hcgs.net/hccc/flatrock2003.html
UEB
Henry County, IN
INPCRP
So who would fund a cemetery placed in a land trust? Where would the money
come from?
>From: "Andi MacDonald" <athenamac(a)verizon.net>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] Land Trusts
>Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:45:58 -0800
>
>I forgot to say in my lengthy last reply that Washington State Cemetery
>Association would be in control of any cemetery land trust we set up here.
>
>Andi
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
>England
>and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
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