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Rich Green
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Home: (765) 464-8095
----- Original Message -----
From: Geography Department
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery access
Try http://atlas.ulib.iupui.edu/ for Central Indiana.
Joyce
KidClerk(a)aol.com wrote:
> L.A.
>
> There's more to your comment of a plane ride than many may think. We
> discussed this topic over a year or two ago, but maybe it should be revisited
> with so many new members on the list.
>
> In Indiana, at least, the first aerial photo-mapping of the state was done in
> the late 1930's or early 1940's.(1939 sticks out in my mind) Many of these
> maps are still available in county surveyor's and county auditor's offices.
> These aerial photos could possibly be a source of reference for a cemetery
> that may have still existed, or remnants thereof, prior to additional
> destruction over the years. It may be nothing more than a clump of trees in
> the middle of a corn field, but comparing it to more recent photographs could
> yield some clues if that clump does not appear on subsequent photos. Also,
> depending on the time of year the flying was done, you can possibly see where
> an old foundation of a building was located...like a church or school where
> the cemetery was to have existed. I would venture to guess most destruction
> has taken place in the last 50 or so years....and maps from 60 years ago
> could be very useful.
>
> Kyle D. Conrad
>
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L.A.
There's more to your comment of a plane ride than many may think. We
discussed this topic over a year or two ago, but maybe it should be revisited
with so many new members on the list.
In Indiana, at least, the first aerial photo-mapping of the state was done in
the late 1930's or early 1940's.(1939 sticks out in my mind) Many of these
maps are still available in county surveyor's and county auditor's offices.
These aerial photos could possibly be a source of reference for a cemetery
that may have still existed, or remnants thereof, prior to additional
destruction over the years. It may be nothing more than a clump of trees in
the middle of a corn field, but comparing it to more recent photographs could
yield some clues if that clump does not appear on subsequent photos. Also,
depending on the time of year the flying was done, you can possibly see where
an old foundation of a building was located...like a church or school where
the cemetery was to have existed. I would venture to guess most destruction
has taken place in the last 50 or so years....and maps from 60 years ago
could be very useful.
Kyle D. Conrad
I will go by Collins cemetery and take a look at that stone. We can
discuss some options on what to do as far as a slot base being poured and
installed, or additional probing,etc.
Mark Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "CURTIS BOW" <nursemort(a)prodigy.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Stray Stones
>
> The stone is a free standing one that does not appear to be broken off a
base. We have looked/probed all around the area very well and cannot find
evidence of the exact place it came from. Thanks.
> Ernie & Connie Lasley wrote:Curtis,
>
> Is the stone a tall one that free-stands in the ground, or a shorter one
> that stands in a base? Has the bottom been broken off? The one we
> repaired at the Evansville workshop was leaning against a tree, with a
> little searching we found a base with a broken peice that matched
> it. Exhaust all possible ways of locating it's original position before
> you give up and place it with family members.
>
>
>
> At 09:53 AM 08/25/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Hi all--
> >
> >What do you all do about "stray" stones--stones that you know belong in a
> >certain area, but aren't sure exactly where? I am currently involved in
> >restoring a cemetery in Muncie. We have a stone we found leaning against
> >a tree. We know the person is a Cox and there are only a few Cox's buried
> >in the cemetery. However, we do not know where exactly this stone should
> >be placed. From old readings of the cemetery, we still cannot tell. The
> >stone cleaned up very well and is in excellent condition to be placed
back
> >in the ground. Do you all place this stone in the ground near family
> >members? Isn't that better that leaning it up against a fence?
> >
> >
> >
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"One farmer actually ran me off his
property while I was trying to explain I just wanted to verify the
location. I went to his house first to obtain permission, the cemetery
site was down the road. He told me he did not want me or anyone else down
there nosing around, and I could kindly remove myself from his property.
(not his exact words!)"
Is it legal to deny total access to a cemetery/cemetery site on private property? While I understand very well the concept of "private" property and am all for it, it seems like a cemetery, unless it's a family cemetery, should be accessible. And what if you were an ancestor of someone in that cemetery--seems like there should be some allowance for that for maintenance purposes, if nothing else--kind of like an ancestor's "right of way."
Laurie Morris
mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
I found out that in 1989 these folks are not much help. You could get
numerous (different) answers to the same question.
The most memorable being that if you scraped the top of the soil, that
was "excavating" the grave. Also that washing and sorting sand and
gravel at the sandbar in the creek was commerical mining.
As far as liability, anyone can sue anyone for anything. That is a
long, long ways from ever winning said suit. They would
have to demonstrate something other than good intent......
The county commissioners considered having me bonded, but the county
attorney did not feel it was necessary.
In the end I guess a thousand dollars was
put up. I still keep looking for that person that will fly into me
because they don't like something I did.
Lee Creed
Parke Putnam counties
My provider changed my address overnight so I received about 5 or 6 "digest"
emails that they forwarded to my new address of cherokee(a)lightbound.com.
I have not read all of the replies to this message yet, but I wanted to get
in my thoughts. As most of you are aware, I will be allowed to marked
property cards in the Auditor's office with stamps that inform those who
reference these records about the history of the parcel and the new codes
they will have to follow. It is my intention to inform anyone interested in
that parcel that there is even the slightest potential that there might be
human remains on it. I am marking all known, rumored, and even removed
sites as well as parcels within 100 ft. of known sites. If you don't mark
one that has been bulldozed over, it's just that much more of a mystery when
remains are found. Of course, they might be overlooked on purpose as well,
you never can tell.
I have my sites "graded" as GOOD (visible, history of boundaries solid,
mapped on the plat maps), UNMAPPED (visible, but not a parcel unto itself
and not already on the auditor's plat maps), INVISIBLE (boundaries were
documented and can be found but nothing visibly remains); LOST (boundaries
never clear and nothing visibly remains), MOVED (has officially been moved
from this spot) and PROBLEM (something needs to be done, such as an
overlooked or lost deed not currently mapped, or conflicts in the property
lines). Of course, when I use the word VISIBLE, I am referring to the
surface of the site. I have no doubts there are a lot of surprises awaiting
the unsuspected buyer of some of these parcels. I feel an obligation to
share my knowledge of our history with those that might need it.
Anyway, I suspect this has been discussed already, but I am still plugging
away at my county! Glad to know others are doing the same!
Cris
Columbus, IN
NEW ADDRESS : cherokee(a)lightbound.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee" <Armytruck(a)webtv.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Marking destroyed graveyards
> Does anyone (besides me) mark where the bulldozed and farmed over sites
> were ? And does anyone collect tombstones, hoping to put them back in
> "the area" of where they once stood ?
> At least they serve as some kind of memorial even if they can't actually
> mark the grave itself. My curiosity is up and
> I don't think much has been said before on the subject.
>
> Lee Creed
>
> Parke Putnam counties
>
> ______________________________
This was sent to me by a friend. Then I heard about it on National Public
Radio today.
Sharon Howell
French Mayor Bans Residents from Dying
Thu Aug 22,10:25 AM ET
LE LAVANDOU, France (Reuters) - The mayor of a French Mediterranean town,
faced with a cemetery "full to bursting," has banned local residents from
dying until he can find somewhere else to bury them.
Gil Bernardi, mayor of Le Lavandou on the coast 15 miles west of Saint
Tropez, introduced the ban after a court rejected his plans to build a
cemetery in a tranquil setting by the sea.
Bernardi said most locals had obeyed the edict so far, but he was
desperately trying to find a resting place for a homeless man who had
recently passed away in the town.
"Initially, the decree has been remarkably well followed," the mayor said.
Bernardi has appealed against the ruling preventing the seaside cemetery
being built, saying it would be the best final resting place for his
townsfolk.
"What people want here, because it's a local tradition, is their own little
personal plot of land, their burial spot, not an impersonal pigeonhole," he
said.
Hehehe, I 'd like to say it is up to the person who digs the grave and not
the ones in the graves wishes. None of my headstones face West in our family
cemetary but East, toward the rising son. :-)
NTFCannon(a)Aol.Com (Tom Cannon)
Thanks, Jack. you're right, i'm going to have to get my hands on one of
these before I fully understand how it works. Once you have created the
coordinates for a cemetery, then, I'm assuming, this is recorded on the
survey sheet and/or put into one's "book" on your work at the cemetery that
you then submit to the library. Wish there was an online site or two for
people using this technology in genealogy work! Did a search, but didn't
find anything. Ernie and Jack, your explanations have been very helpful,
thank you.
Laurie Morris
mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] GPS readings
> In a message dated 8/25/02 9:50:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> lmorris(a)wt.net writes:
>
>
> > And am I understanding this right--let's say you've got coordinates for
a
> > given cemetery--then you need to go online to create a map for the
> > location?
> > If it was possible to establish coordinates for a particular grave and
you
> > were already in the cemetery and had these coordinates, does the sensor
> > work
> > in reverse, i.e., can you plug those coordinates into the sensor and
> > somehow
> > locate the grave from that?
> >
> >
> As Ernie said, I use UTM GPS. I have a Grid map of the
> state of Indiana. Grids are laid out in 7.5 minute squares. This gets
> complicated if you are new to it. So I won't try to explai that here.You
need
> to try to borrow a Hand held unit and experiment with it. You will need
the
> Instructions. A GPS unit Actually can have a variation enough that it
might
> be hard to get coordinates to a particular Grave. It is used primarily for
> cemetery, or burial site location. It is not impossible for me to go to a
> cemetery and get the coordinates and you go 10 years later, and you move
East
> or North, West or South to locate the Exact Spot I stood in 10 years
earlier.
> I would test a unit to see how accurate it is by going to a Particular
stone,
> get a reading. walk away a couple of hundred feet, walk back and stand in
the
> exact spot. Let the numbers settle down and see how close they are to your
> original from that Exact spot. For checking my self I record the time of
day,
> The Temperature, The weather such as cloudy. Very heavy clouds can cause a
> deflection in the Satellite Signals. It is not that great but it does
happen
> Give it a try. and good Luck.
>
> Jack E.Briles Sr.
> New Albany, In.
>
>
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> This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
> Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
>
I was one inquiring about how to place new stones in an abandoned cemetery if
we are unable to locate the exact location of the grave. According to most
replies, it sounds like we should just place our stones near where we believe
the graves are and then make note of it in the cemetery book at the library.
I believe I know the approximate location of the graves but since the stones
were removed during the cemetery being vandalized in the 1970's, I'm not
sure. I was wondering if it's possible there could be any state records on
burial plots from 1895 and 1919???? Jenni
In a message dated 8/25/02 10:37:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
SetNSton(a)aol.com writes:
> but we hope that we've done enough research to assure that they are
> probably close to where they should be.
> Jan and Dave Rader
> Kent, OH
>
>
Jan and Dave,
Sleep soundly, you have did as much as anyone would expect, and more than
most.
My wife and I do the best we can. As we leave a Cemetery at the end of the
day, we always look back and say" We may have made some mistakes today, but
we certainly haven't forgotten any of you" If you can feel this way after
your hard work as you leave, you should sleep well that night. I'm sure if
they could, those you are leaving behind would thank you for caring. I know
I do.!!
Jack E.Briles Sr.
New Albany, In.
In a message dated 8/25/02 9:50:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
lmorris(a)wt.net writes:
> And am I understanding this right--let's say you've got coordinates for a
> given cemetery--then you need to go online to create a map for the
> location?
> If it was possible to establish coordinates for a particular grave and you
> were already in the cemetery and had these coordinates, does the sensor
> work
> in reverse, i.e., can you plug those coordinates into the sensor and
> somehow
> locate the grave from that?
>
>
As Ernie said, I use UTM GPS. I have a Grid map of the
state of Indiana. Grids are laid out in 7.5 minute squares. This gets
complicated if you are new to it. So I won't try to explai that here.You need
to try to borrow a Hand held unit and experiment with it. You will need the
Instructions. A GPS unit Actually can have a variation enough that it might
be hard to get coordinates to a particular Grave. It is used primarily for
cemetery, or burial site location. It is not impossible for me to go to a
cemetery and get the coordinates and you go 10 years later, and you move East
or North, West or South to locate the Exact Spot I stood in 10 years earlier.
I would test a unit to see how accurate it is by going to a Particular stone,
get a reading. walk away a couple of hundred feet, walk back and stand in the
exact spot. Let the numbers settle down and see how close they are to your
original from that Exact spot. For checking my self I record the time of day,
The Temperature, The weather such as cloudy. Very heavy clouds can cause a
deflection in the Satellite Signals. It is not that great but it does happen
Give it a try. and good Luck.
Jack E.Briles Sr.
New Albany, In.
We are working on a very small cemetery - about 25 stones, 32 known burials,
possibly 10-12 other burials. Out of those, there were 6 stones out of
ground and leaning on trees or other markers. We immediately knew where two
of these went, as they were leaning on a tree just behind their very visible
bases (both had broken off and the broken edges could be matched perfectly).
We also have been lucky enough, through probing, to find the bases of two
others - a perfect match in both cases. Of the remaining two, we are
reasonably certain of where one goes because of the family grouping. The
other we have decided to place where it is indicated on the 1930s WPA
readings.
All of these stone placements will be well documented in our records (which
hopefully will be published and in libraries when we're finished) and the
records of the "parent" cemetery in town (they hold all known records of the
cemetery we are working on), as being approximate locations, but not
necessarily true and correct.
We just could not feel that we have restored the honor of the people buried
there if their stones were still leaning on trees and markers when we were
finished, but we hope that we've done enough research to assure that they are
probably close to where they should be.
Jan and Dave Rader
Kent, OH
Hi Ernie, thanks for your reply. I was just looking at some general sites
about GPS--I didn't realize this is the same technology they are using as a
navigational tool in cars, among other things. Pretty interesting stuff,
esp. its uses in the military, on planes, tractors (!), etc.
Although I'm certainly no engineer or rocket scientist, I guess I could
figure out how to use one (well, maybe). But I should probably rephrase my
original question. As far as using one of these in cemeteries, do you use
it just to establish the perimeter of the cemetery, or do you use it to
record the locations of the actual graves? If you are pinpointing a grave,
from where do you take the coordinates--in the middle of the grave (or where
you think the middle might be), or from the headstone, or where exactly?
And am I understanding this right--let's say you've got coordinates for a
given cemetery--then you need to go online to create a map for the location?
If it was possible to establish coordinates for a particular grave and you
were already in the cemetery and had these coordinates, does the sensor work
in reverse, i.e., can you plug those coordinates into the sensor and somehow
locate the grave from that?
Also, thanks for the info on what you and Jack use. I was looking through
my notes from the workshop, and I've got the notation "rentable." Where
would you rent something like this?
And, Helen, yes, I think this would be a great demonstration to include in
future workshops!
Laurie Morris
mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] GPS readings
> Laurie,
>
> GPS, or Global Positioning System, uses a series of satellites to
determine
> an exact position on earth by triangulation, and give you a readout of map
> coordinates, usually a latitude reading in a north/south measurement of
> position perpendicular to the earth's polar axis, and longitude in an
> east/west measurement in relation to the Prime Meridian. Some use UTM
> (Universal Transverse Mercator) readings which is a grid coordinate system
> that gives you a position in specific zones. I think Jack Briles uses UTM
> readings and is more familiar with it than I.
>
> To see how GPS works go to this link on our "Gibson County Cemeteries"
page
> and click on "Locate It On A Map" at the top of the page:
>
> http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/mon_ioof_owensville.htm
>
> This takes you to a Tiger Map Server map that shows the location along
with
> roads and the nearby towns. Note that on this map several of our
> cemeteries are shown.
>
> Or you can go to Topozone and enter coordinates in degrees and decimal
> degrees here:
>
> http://www.topozone.com/finddd.asp
>
> Type in the latitude coordinates 38.25300 and longitude coordinates of -
> 87.68000 (don't leave out the minus - sign, it tells the map which side
of
> the prime meridian you are on) This will take you to the same location,
> only on a topo map that shows terrain features. The same map will work
> with UTM coordinates, just click on UTM in the upper left corner, which
> takes you here:
>
> http://www.topozone.com/findutm.asp
>
> Enter 16 for the UTM zone, 440501 for the easting, and 4233898 for the
> northing.
>
> Once you have this location for a grave or a cemetery, anyone can find it
> on a map. You can purchase a good GPS unit for $100 to $200 dollars, some
> units will cost more. Your local Wal Mart will have them in the Sporting
> Goods section. I use a Garmin GPS 12, a fairly simple unit to use. There
> are many others on the market, maybe others on this list will comment on
> what they have, ease of use, etc.
>
> Ernie
>
> At 07:18 PM 08/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'm kinda new to this GSP technology--it was talked about to a small
degree
> >at the Evansville workshop, but I've never seen anyone use one. How do
you
> >go about marking the location of a grave with it? Also, about how much
do
> >these items cost?
> >
> >Also, has anyone had any luck using metal detectors to locate unmarked
> >graves?
> >
> >Laurie Morris
> >mailto: lmorris(a)wt.net
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: shwildermuth <helen(a)reliable-net.net>
> >To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Marking destroyed graveyards
> >
> >
> > > I agree with you Jack, We have been using GSP for a couple years now,
and
> > > have all of our 167 cemeteries done except for a handfull we can not
find.
> > > We had a little trouble one time because the satalites had been
realigned
> >so
> > > we had to go back and correct a few. People do feel that this is a
non
> > > invasive request, and are usually quite willing to let you do this.
It is
> > > vitally important to have a GPS reading for the ones that do not have
any
> > > visible signs that there is a cemetery present. We have quite a few
here
> > > that have been plowed over for years. With the way farm land is being
> >sold
> > > off for housing developements, this process must be done soon. We
were
> > > fortunate our local Walmart donated the GPS to us.
> > > Helen
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
> > > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:26 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Marking destroyed graveyards
> > >
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/25/02 9:24:48 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > elasley(a)sigecom.net writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 100 years from now a researcher may not know that a cemetery
> > > > > was destroyed and the stone moved. Or
> > > >
> > > > Erni,
> > > > One advantage to GPS is I was never refused the opportunity to take
a
> > > > reading It doesn't harm anything, it's Electronic, so I was told to
go
> > > > ahead, after I explained what I was doing. These readings, (If you
know
> > > where
> > > > to take them) will always tell you where the Burial site was. I
> > > transferred
> > > > these readings to Latitude and Longitude for future Surveyors laying
out
> >a
> > > > Housing development, or shopping center. They now have a Street and
Out
> > > Lots
> > > > at the Site of the Smith cemetery in New Albany where the Mjier
Dept.
> > > Store
> > > > is going in. But last Wednesday I went out and found the Exact place
the
> > > > Cemetery had been. We all know when a Cemetery is moved it's a joke.
The
> > > > remains are still there. We should have the names, but if we don't,
the
> > > name
> > > > of the cemetery is enough to show that someone really did care for
those
> > > > buried there.We need to record the locations and place them in a
History
> > > room
> > > > so they will be known available for future Generations to Access
> >Locally.
> > > The
> > > > Stones are gone, but the Remains are still there, Street or no
Street.
> > > > Jack E.Briles Sr.
> > > > New Albany, In.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
> > > LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
> >have."
> > > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
> > >
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> >undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union,
IA
>
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Thanks for the info.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Stray Stones
> In a message dated 8/25/02 3:46:30 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> md9105(a)skyenet.net writes:
>
>
> > at 80 inches because they get so close to the next row they look
> > out of place.
> >
> >
> You didn't mention 4 feet on childrens footstone from the Front of the
base.
> Everyone has different ideas. Also, hand dug graves were started on the
East
> End and dug West. This was to leave undisturbed soil to set the stone on.
> And,not all stones face East. West is also acceptable, if that was the
wish
> of the deceased, so they can face either way
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
>
>
In a message dated 8/25/02 8:05:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
deemay(a)netusa1.net writes:
> Wouldn't it be proper to make a little booklet with pictures and notes
> telling what was done with the cemetery and donate it to the local library.
> I know this is very time consuming but we would be wasting our time if the
> proper documentation is not done. That is why we are having such a problem
> today finding all those unmarked graves.
>
> Donnie
>
>
Donnie,
Best Idea Iv'e Heard in a Month.
Jack E.Briles Sr.
New Albany, In.
In a message dated 8/25/02 3:26:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
helen(a)reliable-net.net writes:
> We had a little trouble one time because the satalites had been realigned so
> we had to go back and correct a few. People do feel that this is a non
> invasive request, and are usually quite willing to let you do this. It is
> vitally important to have a GPS reading for the ones that do not have any
> visible signs that there is a cemetery present. We have quite a few here
> that have been plowed over for years. With the way farm land is being sold
> off for housing developements, this process must be done soon. We were
> fortunate our local Walmart donated the GPS to us.
> Helen
>
Helen,
Although most people like to take the readings in the
summer, it is not advisable if there are heavy leafed trees overhead. You can
get a reflected signal. I generaly go to the approximate center for mine. If
there are a lot of leaves I make note and skip that one until Fall. Anyone
who took readings before May, 22, 2000 should go back and re do them. The
Government turned off Selective availability at 12 noon on that date. Before
then there could be a lot of deviation. Since then if you get at least 3 or
more Satelites and wait at least 10 minutes you will be quite acurate. Do you
convert your GPS Readings to Latitude and Longitude.? If so it will make it
much eaiser Later to avoid building on the Cemetery. The Surveyor can't say
he didn't know it was there. Sounds like you are doing a good job.
Jack E.Briles Sr.
New Albany, In.
In a message dated 8/25/02 3:46:30 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
md9105(a)skyenet.net writes:
> at 80 inches because they get so close to the next row they look
> out of place.
>
>
You didn't mention 4 feet on childrens footstone from the Front of the base.
Everyone has different ideas. Also, hand dug graves were started on the East
End and dug West. This was to leave undisturbed soil to set the stone on.
And,not all stones face East. West is also acceptable, if that was the wish
of the deceased, so they can face either way
I wish the internet had been available back in the 80's as it would
have been so simple to learn things and have a peer review of concerned
persons. The information on here now has been amazing. I wish that I
knew all the people then, that are on here now. I would not have
slacked off in recent years, as
the enthusiasm here is contagious.
Lee Creed
Parke Putnam counties
I guess you could say I am an information pack-rat. I gather information
because it is there. Any information that I have I willingly share....if I
can find it in the mess :) I am just so thrilled that with the popularity
of computers, so much more information is available than ever before. The
wonderfull people that have the skills to put information online are
SUPER!!.
Helen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee" <Armytruck(a)webtv.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [INPCRP] Marking destroyed graveyards
>
> I guess I am fortunate in that there are many, many researchers and
> geneologists
> around here, anything I have done makes its way to everyone else, then
> at least one of them places it in "their" records at the county or
> university libraries. Its interesting to be able to see things online
> that explain many discoveries and fixes you have personally done.
>
> The sad part of it is, no one wants to work on repairs, they do want to
> document and label. They are also very jealous about sharing their
> records with each other, its a self glory thing, I guess. In any event
> my
> record keeping is around should someone have missed something or forgot
> to ask.
>
> Lee Creed
> Parke Putnam counties
>
>
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