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A very big thank you to all of you that came to the work shop today and
helped make it a success!!!! And thanks to Walt for his expertise!!!!
I hope everyone learned something - I did! And plan to implement it!!!!
Donna Tauber
President
Henry County Cemetery Commission
PS
A very special thanks to the town of Dunrieth for Sponsoring, and to the
Dunrieth Volunteer Fire Department for breakfast and lunch- could not
have worked out better!
Hi,
I usually "reply to all", since the message is frequently sent to dozens of
people. This sometimes causes embarassment to the recent forwarder of the
message, but then maybe it will make them research a "rumor" before becoming
the next pawn to broadcast it.
Brad
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernie & Connie Lasley [mailto:elasley@sigecom.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:43 AM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: HOAX -- Re: [INPCRP] Where to check out chain mails.
Brad,
Good advice. I always use Snopes, about.com at
http://antivirus.about.com/cs/hoaxes or Urban Legends at
http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/mbody.htm to check out chain mails. It
always helps to let the people that sent them know that it is a hoax, to
keep the false info from spreading.
Ernie
At 06:19 AM 05/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Good catch Lois! As usual, never believe anything you get in the (e)mail!
>I have seldom received a message about a virus that was the truth. My
>suggestion for anyone worried about a message they receive like this or
>other hoax/urban legend message like "Johnny is dying, email his message to
>the world" or email this to ten people and get free product, etc., to do a
>search of either Symantec's site or just a google (Ok, there are other
>search engines out there they should be ok too!) search of the name of the
>file, person or product involved in the message and you will almost always
>find info similar to those listed in this thread. Also, by wandering about
>www.snopes2.com you will find just about every message you have ever had
>forwarded to you that involved the dangers of the world or cyberspace.
>
>Brad
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lois Mauk [mailto:loismauk@insightbb.com]
>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:47 AM
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: HOAX -- Re: [INPCRP] Fw: Remedy for problem you may have
>received from my e-mail address
>Importance: High
>
>
>Sorry, Walt, but you've been HAD! This is a HOAX, a variation on the old
>SULFNBK.EXE hoax that made the rounds a year or so ago. See:
>http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.ho
a
>x.html
>for more information.
>
>Folks, DO NOT delete this file. It is a legitimate Windows file and
removal
>of it from your system may interfere with the operation of your system.
>
>Walt, I know you were just trying to be helpful to others but this sounded
>suspicious to me so I checked it out with Symantec (makers of Norton's
>Antivirus). McAfee has a similar admonition at:
>http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99436
>
>Lois
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net>
>To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:07 AM
>Subject: [INPCRP] Fw: Remedy for problem you may have received from my
>e-mail address
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
>
>
>
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
>undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
England
and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
"Show me the manner in which a nation or community
cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
to high ideals."
Hello Everyone,
We had a great turnout at today's workshop with John "Walt" Walters. First I
would like to thank the town of Dunrieth for sponsoring the workshop, the
Dunrieth Volunteer Fire Department for providing the coffee, donuts and
lunch. Everyone had a good time and the rain held out until 4:00, at which
time the workshop ended. We believe everyone benefited in some way today. It
has been a busy weekend here in Henry county, IN. The workshop photos are
now online at http://www.iei.net/~ueb/dunrieth/index.htm
UEB
Henry County, IN
INPCRP
It's great to see this work being done. I know from experience on our work
at Messick how exhausting it is, but also how great you feel once you see
progress. I can remember when the Hodson Cemetery was taken care of, and I
gradually watched it fall into disrepair over the years that we visited my
grandparents in Mooreland and Blountsville. I remember my grandfather
telling me he remembered as a boy going there with a funeral procession and
the horses had a tough time getting the hearse up the hill due to a recent
rain.... The only family I have at Hodson is Jane (Bales) Hodson, sister of
my gr. gr. gr. gr. gr. grandmother, Eunice Bales Templin, but I still thank
you for your work. See you at Messick sometime this spring...
Kyle D. Conrad
Brook, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: <djd434(a)rnetinc.net>
To: <graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 12:49 AM
Subject: Computer Virus Myths and Hoaxes
>
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Wow this thread sure brought back some nice memories.
Sycthe Mowing is hard work, My grandparents had a camp on Blue River,
Near Frenchtown,Harrison Co,IN. The yard was really shaded because of all
the trees. My Grandfather kept a Scythe blade or Scythe Mower hanging on a
nail inside ever since I could remember, when I got older my grandmother
would tell me to mow the grass, I had to use the Scythe! It took awhile and
a lot of sweat, then there was the raking of the grass. Lucky the trees
kept the yard shaded so the grass wasn't thick, later my parents cut down
some of the nastier trees to protect the roof. The grass got thicker and
the yard larger, it was a lot harder to mow, and we got smarter, we hauled
our "gas" mower down to camp to mow the grass, Myself I would have left the
trees!
We use to stay down there for some of the summer months with my
grandparent, it was really nice to be able to be away from parents and with
grandparents for awhile being in the cool shade of the trees and hills, and
then there was the fishing,hunting and swimming and all the other fun my
grandparents could think to do. Along with the fun there was always some
chores, cleaning, mowing, hauling water, and mending.
The Scythe was also used for harvesting wheat too I think. Saw one episode
of Little House on P* where the scythe was used for that.
I have old pictures, of ancestor houses and yard, abt 1900 that the grass
was immaculate. Wonder if the gas mower was invented used that time. I
doubt it for him, they were poor farmers.
lonnie
Lonnie Fink
lonfink(a)dmrtc.net
<http://www.dmrtc.net/~lonfink/wifeme.html>
Sorry, Walt, but you've been HAD! This is a HOAX, a variation on the old
SULFNBK.EXE hoax that made the rounds a year or so ago. See:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoa
x.html
for more information.
Folks, DO NOT delete this file. It is a legitimate Windows file and removal
of it from your system may interfere with the operation of your system.
Walt, I know you were just trying to be helpful to others but this sounded
suspicious to me so I checked it out with Symantec (makers of Norton's
Antivirus). McAfee has a similar admonition at:
http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99436
Lois
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer(a)skyenet.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:07 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Fw: Remedy for problem you may have received from my
e-mail address
>
----- Original Message -----
From: Cynthia Russell <crussell(a)traversecity.com>
To: cnr <crussell(a)traversecity.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Remedy for problem you may have received from my e-mail address
> Dear All,
>
>
> Sorry to say, unknown to McAfee or Norton or me, I had a virus in my
> computer. I followed the protocol described below and was able to delete
it
> within incident. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause you. Please
> see the note below.
>
> Regards,
> Cynthia
>
> I received the following message and checked my computer. I followed the
> directions to the letter and found the virus so it probably has been
> transferred to your computer. I was able to delete it without any
problem;
> the teddy bear was there as described.
>
> The message said... It was brought to my attention that a computer here
at
> the service center had a virus named jdbgmgr.exe, which is neither
detected
> by Norton nor McAfee. It was passed on to the rest of us and in return it
> was passed on to everyone in each of our address books. Unfortunately it
> was on my hard drive which means it is probable that it is on yours.
Please
> check and verify if you have the virus. The virus attacks all of the
> contact in your address book. This particular virus remains in your
> computer's system for 14 days before it erases your files.
>
> To delete and eliminate it completely, please doe the following
immediately.
>
> 1. Go to START->FIND->FILES OR FOLDERS
>
> 2. Under NAMED, type jdbgmgr.exe and click FIND NOW. make sure it's
looking
> in the C: drive. Please do not click it if it does come up.
>
> 3. If the virus appears, the icon will be a teddy bear with the name
> jdbgmgr.exe.
>
> 4. Again, please do not open it......Right click on it and DELETE it. it
> will then be sent to the recycle bin.
>
> 5. When it disappears, please go to the recycle bin and delete it from
there
> as well!!
>
> Empty the Recycle Bin under File->Empty Recycle Bin
>
> If you find this virus on your system, please send this message to all on
> your address book because the program automatically send to everyone in
your
> book.
>
> I am sorry for the inconvenience.
>
>
>
>
>
Had a wonderful time today, as well as the kids who volunteered! Wouldn't it be
great if this caught on! Just to uncover the area let us know what restoration
work is to be done! It is amazing what a group of people can knock out together
in an afternoon.
DT
UEB wrote:
> Hodson's Cemetery:
>
> With the help of the Henry county, IN Blue River Valley High School
> Sophomore history students and their teachers Mr. Freyer and Mr. Rogers, the
> Hodson's cemetery was started today. An outstanding group of young people
> along, with their teachers, worked at this project. They were great to work
> with. The story along with photos is on line at
> http://hcgs.tripod.com/inpcrp/proj4.html
>
> UEB
> Henry County, IN
> INPCRP
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
Hodson's Cemetery:
With the help of the Henry county, IN Blue River Valley High School
Sophomore history students and their teachers Mr. Freyer and Mr. Rogers, the
Hodson's cemetery was started today. An outstanding group of young people
along, with their teachers, worked at this project. They were great to work
with. The story along with photos is on line at
http://hcgs.tripod.com/inpcrp/proj4.html
UEB
Henry County, IN
INPCRP
I was at the state library yesterday looking for information on Martin
County cemeteries. I have a list of names of cemeteries, and I have
locations of some cemeteries from maps, but I don't know what names go with
which locations. So I decided to check the file cabinets at the state
library to see if they had any information to help me.
One of the folders was on the Jones Cemetery in Lost River Township. In a
nice folder, each page of the transcription was in a plastic page
protector. The first page gave the legal description of the property and
which the landowner had deeded it to the public as a cemetery. The last
page in this folder contained the original deed! I couldn't believe what I
was seeing. It was a printed deed form, with all the information typed in,
and original signatures. It was done in Oct. 1911. The typewriter ribbon
had turned a nice purple shade, the irregular letters were obviously made
with a manual typewriter. Without taking the form out of its folder to
feel for indentations, the signatures seems to be the original.
Now we have another place to look for a deed for a cemetery. It could have
been included with a transcription of the cemetery. The owner of that one
transcription could have donated it to any library, or historical society,
or kept it in a box in the attic.
Sharon Howell
In a message dated 5/9/02 12:35:16 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
djd434(a)rnetinc.net writes:
> I have contacted DNR. I was told they would try to get someone out to
> review the situation, but I don't know if that ever happened. Nothing came
> of it if they did investigate.
>
> Debra Dougherty
> Martinsville, IN
>
>
Debra,
I suppose you know Jeannie Regan-Dennis has been desiginated the official
Laison (Go Between) between the public and the DNR on the matter of ALL
cemeteries according to a letter I recieved from the director. Contact her
and find out the Status of the Cemetery. If you don't ask you will never hear
anything. The longer you wait, and the less you say the worse it will get.
They don't seem to volunteer much information without an inquiry.
Jack E. Briles, Sr.
Floyd County PCRP Coordinator
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812) 282-6585
E-mail jb502000(a)aol.com
Thank you for your response. I agree that farming over graves "ain't
right", but I'm not sure there is much I can legally do about it.
My information on the burials is supported by two books, one published in
1988, one published in 1991. The current owners purchased the property in
1998. The current owners could claim ignorance, but I don't think it would
fly. Both books are available in the Daviess County, IN library.
In 1988, Barbara Sims Waggoner published Volume 1 of Cemeteries of Daviess
County, Indiana. On page 155, after the list of known interments at
Cincinnati cemetery, she writes: "This cemetery was allegedly bulldozed by
the farmer whose ground surrounded it in the early 1960's. A lot of the
stones have been found in a nearby ravine, covered with dirt. I uncovered
some but not nearly all and compared them with this list of names which was
taken in the early 1940's by Mrs. Stella M. Bogner. The State Genealogy
Library sent me the list."
In 1991, L. Rex Myers published Volume 2 of Daviess County, Indiana History.
On page 12 he writes: "Steele township historians relate that Plainville's
canal cholera victims were buried in a mass grave at the Cincinnati grave
yard. This grave yard is located in Steele township on the (name of farmer)
farm, Sec. 25 & 26, T5N, R7W on the west side of Hwy 57 N. The number of
deaths from this epidemic is not known. Years later, the canal ditches and
supply reservoir would be blamed for outbreaks of malaria. D. C. Canal
cholera deaths have been estimated to be about 150." Those 150 deaths
include burials at 2 separate sites in Daviess County. The farmer named in
this article is the same farmer who allegedly bulldozed the cemetery.
Are those two articles enough to stop the destruction, even if the cemetery
is located on private property?
I have contacted DNR. I was told they would try to get someone out to
review the situation, but I don't know if that ever happened. Nothing came
of it if they did investigate.
Debra Dougherty
Martinsville, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine West" <cherokee(a)shelbynet.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery on private property
> Farming over graves, whether on privately owned property or not, is still
> illegal. If you can back up your statement about the number of graves
once
> there through historical records or photographs, call the DNR and ask for
a
> local officer to look at your evidence and visit the site. In my case,
the
> Jones Burying Ground in Bartholomew County, the situation is much the
same.
> Only difference is that I actually have a "lost" deed to pull out of my
> pocket to challenge the landowner when the time is right. Right now, she
is
> giving us information about a cemetery on the other side of the county she
> grew up near that no one else knows anything about, so I have had to bite
my
> tongue, but the time will come for her to have to obey the law. Without
the
> deed, the listing by the previous historian about the number of varied
> graves there versus the small amount of unfarmed ground constitutes known
> destruction of a cemetery in my opinion. They can't admit that they know
> there are 5 graves, yet only farm around an area 6' x 3' unless they think
> they are buried on top of each other.
>
> Cris West
> Columbus, IN
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Debra Dougherty" <djd434(a)rnetinc.net>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:00 PM
> Subject: [INPCRP] Cemetery on private property
>
>
> > Hello List,
> >
> > I just want to double check the position I have with a pioneer cemetery
in
> Daviess County, IN:
> >
> > 1. The cemetery is and always has been on private property. I've
> researched all the deeds, plat books, obits, death records, etc. to the
best
> of my ability. This cemetery has never been recognized as a separate
> entity.
> >
> > 2. The owners are paying full property tax. No part of the property is
> or has been taxed separately as a cemetery/graveyard, and the taxes are
> paid.
> >
> > There are 46 known burials in this cemetery plus probably as many
unknown
> cholera victims in a shallow, trench grave. Only 1 grave marker remains
> standing in place. The other stones were bulldozed by a previous owner to
a
> nearby ravine in the 1960's, and the property including the cemetery site
> has been farmed up to and around the one remaining stone ever since.
> >
> > The current owners do not want to sell the cemetery site. The current
> owners do not want to rebuild the cemetery site. The current owners
intend
> to continue farming over the cemetery site up to, around and within inches
> of the remaining stone. The current owners intend to leave the remaining
> stone untouched.
> >
> > So far, I still have permission to visit the site, but fear I could lose
> that if I push the issue much further.
> >
> > Have I no option except to watch the crops grow? I have tried stomping
in
> private, but it doesn't really help. All advice is greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Debra Dougherty
> > Martinsville, IN
> >
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living?
>
>
If God had intended for cemeteries not to be mowed he wouldnt have created weed eaters.
Somebody call the WAAAAMbulance for the NO MOW crew.
Mark Davis
4 Lakeview Ct.
Hartford City,Indiana 47348
md9105(a)skyenet.net
With malice toward none, with charity for all,with
firmness in the right as God gives us to see the
right,let us strive on to finish the work we are in...
A. Lincoln March 4,1865
Hello List,
I just want to double check the position I have with a pioneer cemetery in Daviess County, IN:
1. The cemetery is and always has been on private property. I've researched all the deeds, plat books, obits, death records, etc. to the best of my ability. This cemetery has never been recognized as a separate entity.
2. The owners are paying full property tax. No part of the property is or has been taxed separately as a cemetery/graveyard, and the taxes are paid.
There are 46 known burials in this cemetery plus probably as many unknown cholera victims in a shallow, trench grave. Only 1 grave marker remains standing in place. The other stones were bulldozed by a previous owner to a nearby ravine in the 1960's, and the property including the cemetery site has been farmed up to and around the one remaining stone ever since.
The current owners do not want to sell the cemetery site. The current owners do not want to rebuild the cemetery site. The current owners intend to continue farming over the cemetery site up to, around and within inches of the remaining stone. The current owners intend to leave the remaining stone untouched.
So far, I still have permission to visit the site, but fear I could lose that if I push the issue much further.
Have I no option except to watch the crops grow? I have tried stomping in private, but it doesn't really help. All advice is greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Debra Dougherty
Martinsville, IN
Mr Bill Adams (Georgetown, IN)
The word Scythe for mowing was first used in 1580, So I think my Ancestors
knew about it. That's how they cut the Pretty "Weeds" out of their fields and
CEMETERIES. I'm sorry yours didn't hear about the mowing Scythe until the
Recent Phenomenon of Mowing. Some just don't get it.
Jack E. Briles, Sr.
Floyd County PCRP Coordinator
PO Box 444
New Albany, In. 47151-0444
(812) 282-6585
E-mail jb502000(a)aol.com
First, congratulations to New Albany Township Trustee Tom Cannon on winning
yesterday's primary election.
Second, Tom, can you offer some insight into how Sandy's Township Trustee
can back down the developer if this cemetery was deeded over to the Township
back in the 1980s?
Lois
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy Hennis" <sand4606(a)yahoo.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:37 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Re: Cemetery Relocation
> Lois and all: Thanks to everyone for your helpful responses.
>
> As to "Where does the Township Trustee stand on this matter", the answer
is
> that he is the one who made the contact and asked me about it. I told him
I
> would try to get him some information. He is opposed to relocating this
> cemetery, as are quite a few of the relatives, evidently. He said one
> person in particular was wanting to fight it, and he thought "we" might
have
> to.
>
> As to the cemetery being deeded over, here is what I have been told: it
was
> "dedicated" to the Township Trustee by the Church back in the 1980's
> sometime. So, there could possibly be some documentation about it. And
the
> former Trustee who would have participated is still around.
>
> You stated on the website, in an introductory paragraph, that the laws
> pertained to "small family cemeteries". What cemeteries exactly does this
> cover? The cemetery in question is not a big city cemetery, but a rural
> cemetery. However, it has many burials-probably at least 100 I am
> guessing-and at least 7 civil war veterans, as I am informed. Also, would
> the development procedures described in P.L. 177, Section 3 apply?
>
> The developer has evidently indicated that they were going to tear down
this
> 100 year old frame church (which stands in front of the cemetery), and
make
> an access to a tract behind the cemetery in a field. I don't know if they
> are building homes in that tract also, or what, but I understand they did
> say the church and parking lot would have to go, since they needed the
> "frontage", whatever that means. Perhaps they will respect the cemetery
and
> leave it undisturbed.
>
> Thanks again.
> Sandy Hennis
> Lois,
>
> You say that the cemetery having been deeded to the Township does not
> protect it from relocation? Why not?
Dear Sue:
What I should have said that was that deeding the cemetery to the Township
does not NECESSARILY protect it from relocation.
If the Township Trustee is not willing to stand up to the developer, it
faces the same risk of relocation "for the greater good" if a local Court
were to be convinced that it is in the "best interest" of the cemetery to be
dismantled.
Obviously, the property being deeded to the Township is far better
protection than it being just No Man's Land.
Lois
In my research of obituaries for burials in my local cemetery I have also
been able to recreate the history of the cemetery through newspaper articles.
While I can't go back as far as others, I can refer to a 1909 article when
the cemetery association was reorganized, wider drives put in to make way for
automobiles, and a new caretaker hired to see that the grounds were
maintained better than they had been in the past. I also know from a 1926
article that they cleared weeds by burning, because the fire department was
called to the mausoleum as someone thought it was on fire (100% concrete and
marble building). It was just the caretaker burning weeds on the back
side....
Kyle D. Conrad, Secretary
Riverside Cemetery Association
Brook, IN
"I would like to get them new markers, but don't want to take away the old
ones. Its part of
history..... If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them."
Received the above request. Any suggestions?
MaryAlice Parks