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In a message dated 2/26/02 11:18:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
ssilver1951(a)jps.net writes:
> From: "Samuel M. Cline" <scline(a)hoosierweb.org>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:02 AM
> Subject: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1.
>
>
> > http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html
>
Sam, The one thing in the article that really upsets me is that Native
Americans say their Burial Grounds are MORE than just cemeteries, they are
SACRED GROUND, I have never walked into any CEMETERY that I didn't feel like
I was on SACRED GROUND. WHO decides the difference in Burial Sites. The
length of time makes no difference what so ever. My Ancestors Burial Site is
just as SACRED to me and my family, as the Native American Sites are to them.
And rightly should be. Since they have Ancient Tools and other Items, I
suppose The DHPA makes the Distinction. Archaeologists are not concerned in
our Burial Sites (Cemeteries) because there are no Artifacts to Collect.
Don't get me wrong put the Landfill in a Large cemetery in the County. I'll
bet that wouldn't happen, so why should this. I don't care who likes my
opinion, I don't like being treated Second class. And the Native Americans
are not the ones to blame.!
Jack E. Briles Sr.
Po. Box 444
New Albany, Floyd Co. In.
47151-0444
(812)282-6585
In a message dated 2/26/02 11:31:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
ssilver1951(a)jps.net writes:
> Sue Silver
> a new Hoosier!
>
>
>
Sue,
Welcome to the Great State of Indiana where we are Fanatics over two
things Cemeteries and BASKETBALL. Glad to welcome you
Jack
Hello L.A. Clough,
I am BIG TIME Hoosier all the way to 1831 or before!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
You ought to see the message I sent to Joseph Erner. I hope he gets it, because he'll think he's dreaming too!
Now, is anyone on line from Hendricks County and are my families graves still safe?
Sue Silver
Hoosier blood in California - Yeah!
*****************************************************************
Elvira Snodgrass, b. ca. 1857 in Indiana
Posted by: Joseph Erner Date: June 04, 2001 at 12:32:48
of 1693
I'm researching the following Arner family, and I've hit a dead end. If anybody can help me with this family, especially with info about when and where James or Elvira died, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Joe.
JAMES ARNER, born about 1858 in Pennsylvania (or Indiana?); married 22 April 1878 in Platte County, Missouri (FHL film #988414) to ELVIRA ELLEN SNODGRASS who was born about 1857 in Hendricks County, Indiana.
[Elvira was the daughter of WILLIAM T. SNODGRASS (son of Benjamin Snodgrass and Margaret Herrin), born about November 1831 in Hendricks County, Indiana; married 23 February 1854 in Hendricks County (Book 4, page 426) to MARGARET SNODGRASS (daughter of Nathan Snodgrass and Hannah Herrin, and a cousin of William) who was born about 1833 in Hendricks County and died about 06 March 1870 in Kansas. 1850 Census: Benjamin Snodgrass, page 138, visit 817/827, Center, Hendricks, Indiana. 1860 Census: William Snodgrass, page 520, visit 298/300, Center, Hendricks, Indiana. 1870 Census: W. Snodgrass, page 007, visit 056/056, Reeder, Anderson, Kansas. 1880 Census: Wm Snodgrass, page 406, visit 042/045, Neosho, Coffey, Kansas.
1880 Census: James Arner, page 406, visit 043/046, Neosho, Coffey, Kansas. Known children, born in Kansas:
DORA ARNER, born about August 1879.
JAMES F. ARNER, born 12 May 1888; died 03 November 1966 at Burbank, Los Angeles, California. 1900 Census: James Arner (with uncle J.[James] F.[Franklin] Snodgrass), page 109, visit 170/170, Dexter, Cowley, Kansas.
Followups:
No followups yet
Jack,
Once again I agree with you. We have the same problem here and it is not
the fault of our Native American citizens. It is the government who
"devised" the public resources codes to appease the Native Americans in
their contesting of the destruction of their sites.
California law says you shall not desecrate or obliterate a cemetery.
Public Resources Code says Native Americans will be notified if their
"burial grounds" are discovered and they can 1) cap it over with gunnite or
2) relocate the remains (cremated or otherwise) out of harms way.
California law defines a cemetery as any place where the remains of six or
more human beings are buried. They don't discriminate as to full skeletal
remains or cremated remains. Therefore, the Native American "burial
grounds", Cry or Crematory sites, or cemeteries, should also be protected
from desecration or obliteration. We keep trying to tell the Native
American descendants they have invoke that it is a CEMETERY. There is just
no legal discrimination provided in the language of the law. (However, they
are coming out with new "definitions" for terms every year and I'll bet by
the time the cemetery industry is done with it, even our cemeteries won't be
cemeteries by their definitions!)
Our county Cultural Resources Preservation Commission just finished tours
(given by my organization) of all the "Uncared For" (that's the county's
term) historic cemeteries. They used "Native Americans" and "non-Native
Americans" to cite the "type" of cemeteries they surveyed. And, yes, just
like Jack, all of a sudden I felt like a second class citizen.
And it's funny to feel that way, when I have never in my life viewed anyone
as anything other than 1) a person and 2) a human being. In fact, on the
last census I listed my race as "Human Race". (Next time it will be
"Finished Last"! hee-hee)
We have to quit letting the government categorize these places like this.
Cemeteries, no matter whose they are, are all deserving of the same level of
respect and protection. This should be a priority for us all.
United we stand, folks. Divided we'll fall. Never truer.
Sue Silver
California
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1.
> In a message dated 2/26/02 11:18:03 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> ssilver1951(a)jps.net writes:
>
>
> > From: "Samuel M. Cline" <scline(a)hoosierweb.org>
> > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:02 AM
> > Subject: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1.
> >
> >
> > > http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html
> >
>
> Sam, The one thing in the article that really upsets me is that
Native
> Americans say their Burial Grounds are MORE than just cemeteries, they are
> SACRED GROUND, I have never walked into any CEMETERY that I didn't feel
like
> I was on SACRED GROUND. WHO decides the difference in Burial Sites. The
> length of time makes no difference what so ever. My Ancestors Burial Site
is
> just as SACRED to me and my family, as the Native American Sites are to
them.
> And rightly should be. Since they have Ancient Tools and other Items, I
> suppose The DHPA makes the Distinction. Archaeologists are not concerned
in
> our Burial Sites (Cemeteries) because there are no Artifacts to Collect.
> Don't get me wrong put the Landfill in a Large cemetery in the County.
I'll
> bet that wouldn't happen, so why should this. I don't care who likes my
> opinion, I don't like being treated Second class. And the Native Americans
> are not the ones to blame.!
>
> Jack E. Briles Sr.
> Po. Box 444
> New Albany, Floyd Co. In.
> 47151-0444
> (812)282-6585
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
> Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
>
>
I just found out that my great-grandmother was born in Indiana! See, I knew there was a reason this list and its people fascinated me!
NOW, can someone find me some information on a family named SNODGRASS with a daughter named Elnora Elvira or Elvira Elnora and a son named Franklin? She was 34 when she died in CA in 1891. He was older than she.
(I don't think I'm serious on this request, but one can dream!)
Thanks,
Sue Silver
a new Hoosier!
Thanks for sending this item, Sam. We have problems with the Native sites
in California also.
Sue Silver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Samuel M. Cline" <scline(a)hoosierweb.org>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:02 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Indianapolis Star, Feb. 25, 2001, Section A, page 1.
> http://www.indystar.com/article.php?mounds25.html
>
>
> Sam Cline
> Hoosier History & Genealogy
> http://www.hoosierweb.org/
> The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores.
> The latch string is always out.
>
>
>
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> Please do not send queries through this list.
>
>
Max Gray has forwarded to me the following message concerning HB 1241.
Apparently the Bill is up for consideration before the SENATE Natural
Resources Committee on Thursday at 8:40 A.M. in Room 125. I haven't heard
how receptive the Indiana Senate might be to HB 1241 but, if you are so
inclined, NOW would be the time to contact your State Senators. (The Bill
has already passed the House.)
Lois
> Thank you for the e-mail to State Representative Sheila Klinker regarding
> House Bill 1241. On Feburary 5, the House of Representatives passed HB
1241
> with a vote of 93 to 1. Representative Klinker was among the 93 who voted
in
> favor.
>
> The bill is now eligible for consideration by the State Senate. It is
> scheduled to be heard in Chairman David Ford's Committee on Natural
> Resources, Thursday at 8:40am in Room 125. I would suggest you contact
> Senator Ford to voice your support, as well as Senators Wheeler and Lewis,
> whom are the co-sponsors of the bill.
>
> Thank you again for the e-mail to Representative Klinker. Please do not
> hesitate to contact one of us should we be of further assistance.
Lois...am I still on the site ? My msn. knocked me off a time or two and I
haven't had any messages last day or so ??
Thanks
Sue Noe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk(a)insightbb.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] E-mail Address Change for Lois Mauk
> It's official. With the demise of @home cable internet, our local cable
ISP
> has stepped up to the plate and we are "back in business", but our e-mail
> addresses have been changed.
>
> Please update your records to reflect that, effective 2/16/2002, my new
> e-mail address is:
> LoisMauk(a)InsightBB.com
>
> If you should ever experience difficulty reaching me, I do have an
> alternate, but PERMANENT e-mail forwarding address at LoisMauk(a)usa.net
that
> you can use to get in touch with me.
>
> Best regards,
> Lois Mauk
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Please do not send queries through this list.
>
>
Looks like the General Assembly has been pretty busy with respect to House
Bill 1241. I've not been feeling well for the past several weeks and
haven't kept track of the Bill's progress some some time. I was pretty
surprised to see tonight that HB 1241 passed the House on 2/4/2002, was
referred to the Senate and, on 2/21/2002, received a "do pass"
recommendation from the Senate Committee on Natural Resources.
If the Bill passes the Senate, is then ratified by the House and signed by
the Governor, it will become law on 7/1/2002.
Though the language might be easier to follow in the PDF version, here's the
relevant portion of the bill:
IC 23-14-57-1 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE
JULY 1, 2002]:
SECTION 1.
(a) As used in this section, "removed" refers to the disinterment,
disentombment, or disinurnment of the remains of a deceased human.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (e), the remains, either cremated
or uncremated, of a deceased human shall not be removed from a cemetery
without:
(1) a written order of issued by the state department of health;
(2) the written consent of:
(A) the owner of the cemetery; or
(B) the owner's representative; and
(3) the written consent of:
(A) the spouse of the deceased; or
(B) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased
minor child;
or a court order; authorizing the disinterment, disentombment, or
disinurnment.
(c) Before issuing a written authorization under subsection (b), the
state department of health shall do the following:
(1) Obtain written evidence of the legal ownership of the property
from which the remains will be removed.
(2) Send written notice to the department of natural resources,
division of historic preservation and archeology, of the time, date, and
place from which the remains will be removed.
(3) Obtain written evidence that a licensed funeral director has
agreed to:
(A) be present at the removal and at the reinterment,
reentombment, or reinurnment of the remains; and
(B) cause the completed order of the state department
of health to be recorded in the office of the county
recorder of the county where the removal occurred.
(4) Obtain written evidence that a notice of the proposed removal
has been published at least five (5) days before a written order is issued
by the state department of health in a newspaper of general circulation in
the county where the removal will occur.
(5) Obtain a copy of:
(A) the written consent required under subsection (b)(3); or
(B) a court order obtained by a person under subsection (d).
(d) If the written consent of:
(1) the spouse of the deceased; or
(2) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased minor;
is not available, a person who has made a request under this section to the
state department of health may petition a court to determine whether to
waive the consent requirement of subsection (b)(3). In determining whether
to waive the requirement, the court shall consider the viewpoint of any
issue (as defined in IC 29-1-1-3) of the deceased. In a proceeding under
this subsection, the court may not order the disinterment, disentombment, or
disinurnment of the remains of a deceased human.
(e) This subsection applies only if the human remains are on property
owned or leased by a coal company. The remains, either cremated or
uncremated, of a deceased human may be removed from a cemetery by a coal
company if the coal company obtains a court order authorizing the
disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment. Before issuing a
court order under this subsection, a court must conduct a hearing and be
satisfied as to the following:
(1) That the property is owned or leased by the coal company.
(2) That the coal company has obtained the written consent of:
(A) the spouse of the deceased; or
(B) the parents of the deceased in the case of a deceased
minor child;
authorizing the disinterment, disentombment, or disinurnment.
If the consent is not available, the court may waive the requirement after
considering the viewpoint of any issue {decendants} (as defined in IC
29-1-1-3) of the deceased.
(3) That the department of natural resources, division of historic
preservation and archeology, has received at least five (5) days written
notice of the time, date, and place of any hearing under this subsection.
The notice must describe the proposed place from which the remains will be
removed.
(4) That a licensed funeral director has agreed to:
(A) be present at the removal and at the reinterment,
reentombment, or reinurnment of the remains; and
(B) cause the completed order of the state department of
health to be recorded in the office of the county
recorder of the county where the removal occurred.
(5) That the coal company has caused a notice of the proposed
removal to be published at least five (5) days before the hearing in a
newspaper of general circulation in the county where the removal will occur.
(6) That the coal company will notify the department of natural
resources, division of historic preservation and archeology, after the
hearing of the proposed time and date when the remains will be removed.
(f) The state department of health may adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to
implement this section.
======================
For more details and the PDF version of the engrossed bill, see:
http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo
and type in "1241" as the Bill number.
In light of recent comments on this mail list concerning the Georgia crematory, I thought the list members might be interested in this article that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle this morning (February 22nd):
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/02...
Pat Kneisler
Benicia, CA
In a message dated 2/21/02 10:03:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
BECKWITH(a)surf-ici.com writes:
> Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why
> is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think
> up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to
> cover the acts that these people do?
>
>
>
Are you aware of how many Laws we have on the Books that no one can even
remember. Our problem is they are not enforced. The Legislature goes to work
every session and passes new overlapping laws. They could spend 2 years
removing useless laws and there would still be a law against everything.
Apparently the state of Georgia has not put their law clerks to work looking
for a clause, no matter how minuscule the law, they could come up with a
prosecutable offense for the Owners of the Crematorium that would put them
away.
Somewhere there is a Technicality that could be used. But even if
they go to jail the mental damage they have done to the families could never
be rectified. The families must live with these horrible indignities that
their deceased are being put thru, for the rest of their lives. Not only did
they have to suffer the deaths of their loved ones, the deceased, and the
living are now going thru one of the most undignified situations that man can
do to his fellow man. There is NO justification for what has been done,
except GREED. When Laws are passed they must not be for looks, they must
have meaning. And this List understands that.
Jack Briles
Jack,
Right once again.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jb502000(a)aol.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Indignities and Laws
> In a message dated 2/21/02 10:03:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> BECKWITH(a)surf-ici.com writes:
>
>
> > Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why
> > is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think
> > up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to
> > cover the acts that these people do?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Are you aware of how many Laws we have on the Books that no one can
even
> remember. Our problem is they are not enforced. The Legislature goes to
work
> every session and passes new overlapping laws. They could spend 2 years
> removing useless laws and there would still be a law against everything.
> Apparently the state of Georgia has not put their law clerks to work
looking
> for a clause, no matter how minuscule the law, they could come up with a
> prosecutable offense for the Owners of the Crematorium that would put them
> away.
> Somewhere there is a Technicality that could be used. But even
if
> they go to jail the mental damage they have done to the families could
never
> be rectified. The families must live with these horrible indignities that
> their deceased are being put thru, for the rest of their lives. Not only
did
> they have to suffer the deaths of their loved ones, the deceased, and the
> living are now going thru one of the most undignified situations that man
can
> do to his fellow man. There is NO justification for what has been done,
> except GREED. When Laws are passed they must not be for looks, they must
> have meaning. And this List understands that.
>
> Jack Briles
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
Hi,
I meant to send this to the list, but didn't hit Reply All...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951(a)jps.net>
To: <BECKWITH(a)surf-ici.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists or Cremation
> This is the kind of outrage that we all need to feel - about a lot of
> things. What's happening in Georgia is or has or will happen elsewhere,
> perhaps not on such a large scale.
>
> There are 10 acres in Amador County, CA that the state has under
> conservatorship because some clown dumped and co-mingled thousands of
> cremated remains. The entire ten acres was determined to be a cemetery.
> The state offered the county of Amador $100,000 as a start up endowment
fund
> if the County would accept the property. Apparently Amador County would
> rather keep using their old historic cemeteries than open a new one. They
> turned the state down.
>
> I'm really into historic cemeteries and their preservation. But along the
> way I got wise to what was happening in the mortuary and cemetery
> industries. Just search the newspaper archives throughout the country.
> Look for SCI and Loewen corporations. Look what happened in Florida in
> December. I've done this. It's going on everywhere.
>
> And we call ourselves civilized?
>
> Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Beckwith" <BECKWITH(a)surf-ici.com>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists or Cremation
>
>
> > It just amazes me, that they could find no law which was broken in
> > Georgia. Is there no law on the books which says that we should respect
> > one another, living or dead? I heard last week I heard, here in Indiana
> > they want to make it a law that one cannot throw burning objects out of
> > a moving vehicle. The purpose is to prevent people from throwing lit
> > cigarette butts out, where they could fly into anothers car and burn
> > someone. Well, is there no law that we are not to harm one another? Why
> > is it that we need such specific laws to govern the idiots who can think
> > up more and more ways to hurt others? Are there no good general laws to
> > cover the acts that these people do?
> >
> >
> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> > undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union,
IA
> >
> >
>
Lois
I hope you received last night's article of our cemetery petition with the
commissioners.
tonight there was an editorial about our cemetery cause, but they only stay
one day
http://www.heraldargus.com/content/story.php?storyid=458
and we had Russell Hapke.........our local archealogist in our plea to the
commissioners.
Archealogists do come in handy. Russ was at our workshop we co sponsored
with the Indiana Historical society last summer. He has been an asset to
our group. Read the editorial.....thanks Russ for being one of our speakers
with Scott Harris, pres of Patton cemetery association, and local monument
dealer.
We did a terrific job..........Thanks everyone who signed the
petition........and the citizens of our county, Gloria Arndt, secretary of
LPPCC and Patricia Harris, member of our LPPCC group.
THANKS
HOLLY JENKS
PRES. LaPorte Co Pioneer Cemetery Commission
In a message dated 2/21/02 11:02:45 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
ssilver1951(a)jps.net writes:
> Jack,
>
> That was in 1996, I think. It was FIVE THOUSANDS sets of cremated remains.
> The guy ultimately committed suicide over it. The families got together
> and
> sued the mortuaries over it and the funeral industry got together and
> pooled
> funds to make the settlement payment.
>
>
Sue,
The one I was talking about was down in Sagus. I was working down
there in Canyon Country on Block Privacy walls for 125 houses. My wife and I
stopped by while the investigation was going on. I came back to Indiana in
April 1993. There may have been one in 1996. But I was to busy here to keep
up on the news, but it Damn well wouldn't surprise me. When the other one
happened the officials said there was no telling how many other cases like
that might exist because at that time there was about 27 million living in
California, and no doubt with the money involved it probably could be wide
spread.
But 5,000 , Wow, The going rate for scattering over the ocean or
desert, which is what everyone wanted in 88, was roughly $200. In 96 it could
have been way up. When there is money involved and it concerns the dead,
anything is believable. Most think, Hell they wont know the Difference. Some
familles have relatives cremated to save a $10,000 funeral expense,
.
Jack Briles
Anyone who thinkgs the mortuaries using his services didn't know something
was amiss, is wrong. In most instances, the crematory returns the ashes in
a plastic bag and a cardboard box. The mortuary, who sells the families
those expensive urns, packages the ashes in the urns. Now a layman may not
know the differences between stove ashes or pulverized concrete, the a
mortician does.
They were all complicit in one way or another. Don't let anyone tell you
different.
Sue Silver
CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Kimball" <richkmball(a)hotmail.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation
> Jack,
> Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia.
> Rich
>
> >From: Jb502000(a)aol.com
> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation
> >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:44:40 EST
> >
> >In a message dated 2/17/02 11:40:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> >andimac(a)oz.net writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > It is my opinion that archeologists are interested in burials in a
> > > historical sense but are not interested in current cemetery
> >preservation.
> > > One is in the past, the other is current. I might call an
archeologist
> >if
> > > I
> > > needed to know if there is a historical Native American burial, but I
> >would
> > > not call an archeologist to conserve a stone.
> > >
> > > --------------
> > > Andrea D. MacDonald "Andi"
> > > andimac(a)oz.net
> > >
> > >
> > Andi,
> > you said exactly what I feel about the Ancient Native Americans and
what
> >I
> >call modern man, from the last 200 odd years. My question is WHY are they
> >different.
> >And If you can't disturb a "Modern Burial " site, how can you dig up a
> >Native
> >American and Cart them off for studies. Study WHAT. They died and were
> >buried. No one should be able to remove anything buried in a grave site,
> >just
> >to find out WHAT ? When a Burial Site is Discovered, LET IT BE. For 68
> >years
> >I have heard that a Burial Site is Hallowed Ground. Why can't people
honor
> >that and work around them. I;m sorry I won't be around when these Large
> >Beautiful cemeteries run out of money, or ground and Grow up with Brush.
> > It will happen, not today, not tomorrow but maybe a
Hundred
> >years from now just like the small ones we worry about now. They never
> >dreamed anything would happen to them either. My wife and I are going to
> >be
> >Creamated. No one will ever have to worry about us. And $5,000 dollar
> >stones
> >wont have to be bulldozed when the area we will be scattered at is graded
> >off. And they can put in a Airport, Factory, House, etc, etc. WE WONT
CARE.
> >Thanks for the story Andi, I for one understand that you make sense
> >Jack E. Briles Sr.
> >jb502000(a)aol.com
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> >England
> >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> > to high ideals."
> >
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In a message dated 2/20/02 8:51:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
richkmball(a)hotmail.com writes:
> Jack,
> Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia.
> Rich
>
>
No, I would have somewone make sure this didn' happen. This same thing
happened in California around 1988. The individual was paid to fly out over
the ocean, or in the dessert, or in the mountains and scatter the ashes from
several thousand feet. The Law found around 500 urns with ashes in a Storage
building that the fee was not paid on. When the owner of the Bldg. opened it
for Auction, 500 urns at $200 each not scattered, were found, thats good
money. Those Type People bear watching. Although the scattering of your
ashes is no more guaranteed than keeping a cemetery in proper condition. It's
all about Money The Pilot said he was short on operating money. Where did
all of the money paid him go. Like in Georgia, the Furnace wasn't working.
Why not ? they were paid. Crooks!!!
Jack
Jack,
Hope you're not contracted with the crematory in Georgia.
Rich
>From: Jb502000(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Archeologists and cemetery preservation
>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:44:40 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/17/02 11:40:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>andimac(a)oz.net writes:
>
>
> >
> > It is my opinion that archeologists are interested in burials in a
> > historical sense but are not interested in current cemetery
>preservation.
> > One is in the past, the other is current. I might call an archeologist
>if
> > I
> > needed to know if there is a historical Native American burial, but I
>would
> > not call an archeologist to conserve a stone.
> >
> > --------------
> > Andrea D. MacDonald "Andi"
> > andimac(a)oz.net
> >
> >
> Andi,
> you said exactly what I feel about the Ancient Native Americans and what
>I
>call modern man, from the last 200 odd years. My question is WHY are they
>different.
>And If you can't disturb a "Modern Burial " site, how can you dig up a
>Native
>American and Cart them off for studies. Study WHAT. They died and were
>buried. No one should be able to remove anything buried in a grave site,
>just
>to find out WHAT ? When a Burial Site is Discovered, LET IT BE. For 68
>years
>I have heard that a Burial Site is Hallowed Ground. Why can't people honor
>that and work around them. I;m sorry I won't be around when these Large
>Beautiful cemeteries run out of money, or ground and Grow up with Brush.
> It will happen, not today, not tomorrow but maybe a Hundred
>years from now just like the small ones we worry about now. They never
>dreamed anything would happen to them either. My wife and I are going to
>be
>Creamated. No one will ever have to worry about us. And $5,000 dollar
>stones
>wont have to be bulldozed when the area we will be scattered at is graded
>off. And they can put in a Airport, Factory, House, etc, etc. WE WONT CARE.
>Thanks for the story Andi, I for one understand that you make sense
>Jack E. Briles Sr.
>jb502000(a)aol.com
>
>
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>Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
>England
>and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
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