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Ernie:
I agree with you, but one thing you said bothers me. The part about 6 feet
deep. This is the same answer we got from Indy about digging in a cemetery.
Their words were, If you're not digging 6 feet deep, then you have nothing
to worry about. Well, not all burials, if any, are 6 feet deep. Depending on
how old, where they were buried, time of year, how hard the ground was, all
made a difference on how deep. Also, you have to take into account, erosion.
Of course, you know all of this.
I know the man who dig the graves at Atkinson Chapel Cemetery in Pike
County. He works for me and digs graves on the side. In fact, I have on
occasion helped him finish a grave, so we can get back to work. He uses a
32" wooden door to shore up the sides. Total depth to the bottom of the
graves at most is 5 feet. Most graves in that cemetery don't have 18" of
cover over a vault on the low side. That may not be right, but the old
addage of being 6' under is myth and we're talking to the bottom of the
grave. On top of that, I have witnessed some tombstone bases being dugout 2'
deep. Not disagreeing, just making a point. So.....
Jon Andrews
>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley(a)sigecom.net>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Arsenic in cemeteries.
>Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 17:58:24 -0600
>
>Hello All,
>
>I found a few paragraphs from a year ago back in the archives, it seems
>like the most danger would be tainted wells near cemeteries. Since we
>don't dig six feet deep while re-setting stones, "breathing arsnic-laced
>dust" is in all probability not very likely. One thread also points out
>that "it's just conjecture at this point." But it is something that we all
>should be aware of while working in cemeteries. Below are three paragraphs
>from the archives:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>I am the person (Andrea D. MacDonald "Andi" ) who recently mentioned this
>online. It was an issue about a year ago and someone sent me a photocopy of
>an article. The article relates that arsenic airborne in dirt when digging
>in cemeteries is the most hazardous way to "consume" it. I have spoken with
>a doctor and with a Government Safety and Health Expert and both have told
>me that no studies have been done--that it's just conjecture at this point.
>I personally had a concern because arsenic is a heavy metal and about a
>year ago I started suffering from numbness of the skin just below the knee
>and then the big toe, same leg, started having tingling sensations
>(numbness). The doctor said that only one thing he knew of could cause
>isolated numbness like that--normally the numbness is in the entire
>extremity, not just surface skin in a patch--and that was heavy metal
>poisoning. They did a several day urine collection to diagnose any heavy
>metal poisoning and ruled out arsenic. I was relieved. But, it is always
>with me that arsenic is a danger, as are other chemicals, and we should be
>cautious when around them. The Safety and Health Expert took a sample of
>the dirt from the cemetery he was involved with for the government and they
>found the heavy metals well within the range of safe levels (there is
>always a trace of metals of some sort). -------------- Andrea D. MacDonald
>"Andi"
>
>----- Original Message -----
>Arsenic was used as a major embalming agent, devised during the Civil War
>and continued until about 1910. While the remains may decompose, Arsenic
>never degrades. In the heavy metals group, Arsenic will "travel" in the
>ground. Arsenic tainted wells within a 1/4 mile of historic cemeteries in
>the mid-West have been found and documented. The Arsenic stays in the
>ground, travels into the ground water and Arsenic kills. You can ingest it
>by skin contact, through breathing Arsenic-laced dust and by drinking
>Arsenic-tainted water. ]
>
>From the time of the Civil War until about 1910 (at least that year in
>California), the morticians used anywhere from 3 ounces to 12 pounds of
>arsenic to embalm with. It was the best preservative method devised to keep
>the soldiers corpses in condition to be shipped home for burial during the
>war. The use continued and now, it seems, at least in the mid-west, wells
>near old cemeteries are being found to have been contaminated by the
>arsenic. While eventually the human remains did decompose, arsenic is a
>heavy metal and does not degrade. It does "move" through the earth with
>erosion and does get into ground water. -------------- Sue Silver CA
>
>I would react to this in two ways. First, I would not drink well water
>from near a cemetery, and second, If I were working on a cemetery where
>severe erosion may have exposed the lower levels of soil I may consider
>having the soil tested.
>
>Ernie
>
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To the list:
Taking two steps back and off the subject of genealogy. There was quite a
detailed discussion a few days ago about GPS and recording data on location
of cemeteries, which was way over my head to say the least. I wondered
though, first, we have talked a lot on this list about county officials, but
have never heard much discussion about County Surveyors and their role in
helping to preserve these sites. Now, I know most are underpaid and some
counties don't even have them or contract it done, but second, I would
suppose that if the cemetery falls under the rule of the public, say County
Commissioners or the trustee, aren't they somewhat obligated to make a land
survey or at the very least a
recording of the coordinates of the cemetery to help preserve it. The way I
see it is...
1. If the DNR does not recognize a cemetery that is not recorded (This is
what they told us a few years back during our coal mine battle) and
2. You can't record it without a description
Then, I would think that the County Surveyor would be somewhat obligated to
bring it into compliance with the law and I also question the fact that the
trustees are spending public funds on something that,
essentially, does not exist. Not to mention that some of them are located on
private property.
Just a note as to what has happened in our county. The Commission, through
the County Surveyor, has a workforce of surveying students from Vincennes
University under his wing surveying and recording over 30 cemeteries in Knox
County, so far. I hope it continues.
Jon
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Am I missing something here? I thought my post about genealogy on the Reels
was in reply to Robert (Bob) Real, Bjreal(a)aol.com. from the Louisville area
who said he hadn't done much genealogy. Maybe I hit the wrong post to reply
to. Sorry, if I did.
Jon Andrews
>From: "Robert Westerfield" <rewesterfield(a)msn.com>
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:33:57 -0700
>
>Dear Mr Andrews
>
>My interest in cemeteries is focused on the Westerfield familes in and
>around Rush and Shelby Counties Indiana. Considering I was an orphan and
>started my geneaology late in life, I DO know everything about my
>families: the name Robert Richl (Reel, Rehl or Real) does not appear
>anywhere.
>
>Bob Westerfield
>Wl Paso TX
>From: jon andrews
>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:33 PM
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
>
>Robert,
>Thanks for the info. on Reals in you area. Actually the connection I have
>is
>in Floyd County, IN. So must all be related, somehow. Can't believe, with
>an
>interest in cemeteries, etc. that you don't know more about your own
>genealogy. There is a good website on Genforum for surname Real (Reel). I'm
>trying to find the burial site of Robert Riehl (Reel, Rehl, Real) Rev. War
>patriot of that area around Corydon (Laconia, Dogwood). Thought by your
>name
>you might be descendant of this guy.
>Jon Andrews
>
>
>
>
> >From: Bjreal332(a)aol.com
> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
> >Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:47:25 EST
> >
> >In a message dated 10/27/02 7:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > , the family
> > > name was sometimes spelled REAL with an "A" and one branch settled
>along
> > > the
> > > Ohio River. Any relation, or have you ever seen it spelled that way in
> >your
> > >
> > > line. Have also seen it spelled REHL and they sometimes pronounce Reel
> >like
> > >
> > > "rail". How about you? Are there many Reals in your area? I take it
> >you're
> > > from Indiana.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jon Andrews
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> > > It is spelled Real. I live in Jefferson Co Ky. soon to be Only
> >Louisville
> > > after the county and city merger. it will be the 16th largest city in
> >the
> > > country.Their are also Reehl, Riehl, and also Reel spellings in the
> > > county.. There are also only Reals across the river in Indiana. No
>other
> > > spellings.
> > > Robert
> >
> >
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Jon, About one half mile from the Ohio river I have some Reals up out of
flood plane in a cemetery that dates back to 1906. I will go get dates for
their family and write again. Good luck.
NTFCannon(a)Aol.Com (Tom Cannon)
Dear Mr Andrews
My interest in cemeteries is focused on the Westerfield familes in and around Rush and Shelby Counties Indiana. Considering I was an orphan and started my geneaology late in life, I DO know everything about my families: the name Robert Richl (Reel, Rehl or Real) does not appear anywhere.
Bob Westerfield
Wl Paso TX
From: jon andrews
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:33 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
Robert,
Thanks for the info. on Reals in you area. Actually the connection I have is
in Floyd County, IN. So must all be related, somehow. Can't believe, with an
interest in cemeteries, etc. that you don't know more about your own
genealogy. There is a good website on Genforum for surname Real (Reel). I'm
trying to find the burial site of Robert Riehl (Reel, Rehl, Real) Rev. War
patriot of that area around Corydon (Laconia, Dogwood). Thought by your name
you might be descendant of this guy.
Jon Andrews
>From: Bjreal332(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:47:25 EST
>
>In a message dated 10/27/02 7:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > , the family
> > name was sometimes spelled REAL with an "A" and one branch settled along
> > the
> > Ohio River. Any relation, or have you ever seen it spelled that way in
>your
> >
> > line. Have also seen it spelled REHL and they sometimes pronounce Reel
>like
> >
> > "rail". How about you? Are there many Reals in your area? I take it
>you're
> > from Indiana.
> > Thanks,
> > Jon Andrews
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > It is spelled Real. I live in Jefferson Co Ky. soon to be Only
>Louisville
> > after the county and city merger. it will be the 16th largest city in
>the
> > country.Their are also Reehl, Riehl, and also Reel spellings in the
> > county.. There are also only Reals across the river in Indiana. No other
> > spellings.
> > Robert
>
>
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Robert,
Thanks for the info. on Reals in you area. Actually the connection I have is
in Floyd County, IN. So must all be related, somehow. Can't believe, with an
interest in cemeteries, etc. that you don't know more about your own
genealogy. There is a good website on Genforum for surname Real (Reel). I'm
trying to find the burial site of Robert Riehl (Reel, Rehl, Real) Rev. War
patriot of that area around Corydon (Laconia, Dogwood). Thought by your name
you might be descendant of this guy.
Jon Andrews
>From: Bjreal332(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:47:25 EST
>
>In a message dated 10/27/02 7:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > , the family
> > name was sometimes spelled REAL with an "A" and one branch settled along
> > the
> > Ohio River. Any relation, or have you ever seen it spelled that way in
>your
> >
> > line. Have also seen it spelled REHL and they sometimes pronounce Reel
>like
> >
> > "rail". How about you? Are there many Reals in your area? I take it
>you're
> > from Indiana.
> > Thanks,
> > Jon Andrews
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > It is spelled Real. I live in Jefferson Co Ky. soon to be Only
>Louisville
> > after the county and city merger. it will be the 16th largest city in
>the
> > country.Their are also Reehl, Riehl, and also Reel spellings in the
> > county.. There are also only Reals across the river in Indiana. No other
> > spellings.
> > Robert
>
>
>
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yes, do remember it, Ernie,..and that it was disproven......but might
want to keep it upfront just to discourage disruption of old
graveyards....right!...i.e. "think of the arsenic you might disturb and
release into the air"............Ruth Pride , Knox Co. Resident, 10329 E.
Evans Rd. Wheatland, IN. 47597.
Hi Ernie,
I missed this discussion last time around but I can offer a couple of facts that I once read about arsenic and the ill-effects of over exposure to it. First, let me say that I don't know of any study that suggests the levels of arsenic present above ground in a cemetery are significant enough to have health consequences for folks out there repairing headstones, etc.
On the other hand, ingesting ground water, say from a well near a cemetery where high levels of arsenic are present may be hazardous since arsenic taken internally even in minute doses can be attributable to a numbers of forms of cancer, heart disease and neurological disorders.
Incidentally, thanks again for your tombstone reference material. I appreciated the assistance from the list and your bibliography, in particular, was very useful.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
(765) 464-8735
http://www.har-indy.com
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To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Nearly forgotten
Re: Arsenic;
I think this topic was discussed on this list a year or two ago, and this
hazard theory was dis-proven. Does anyone remember the discussion and the
outcome?
Ernie
At 11:50 PM 10/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I do not post much but I thought this most interesting story it was in our
>sunday news.
> October 27, 2002
>Arsenic is danger to restoration workers
>See related story: <A
>HREF="http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2002/10/27/local.20021027-sbt-FUL...">Landmark
>nearly forgotten</A>
>Arsenic is danger to restoration workers
>Workers carrying out restoration at Witter Cemetery or any other 19th-century
>burial grounds need to be aware of a potential hazard they probably never
>thought of: arsenic poisoning.Arsenic was the main ingredient used in
>embalming fluid in the second half of the 19th century, often in such high
>concentrations that it could potentially harm archeologists or cemetery
>workers, said John L. Konefes, an environmental scientist at the University
>of Northern Iowa.Arsenic first began to be used for embalming corpses during
>the Civil War, to allow the bodies of those killed in battle to be shipped
>back home for burial. It was mixed with water, which was then injected into
>the corpses.Funeral homes began using it after the war, and arsenic remained
>the main embalming agent until the early 1900s.As much as 12 pounds of
>arsenic would be used to embalm a single corpse, Konefes said.Because arsenic
>does not break down naturally, it remains in a grave site and can leech into
>the ground water or be released into the air should a grave collapse. That is
>why he recommends people working around old graves for protracted periods of
>time wear protective clothing.
>
>
>
>
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> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
>undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
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This message was posted on the Quaker Roots list this weekend...thought it
might be of some interest. -Kyle
> The Vindicator, Youngstown, OH, Section B, pages B1 and B2
>
> DAMASCUS CEMETERY
> Remains of 118 Quakers to get new resting place. Three historical markers
> will be dedicated.
> By NANCY TULLIS, Vindicator Salem Bureau
>
> DAMASCUS - The remains of a Revolutionary War vetran who traveled with
> Daniel Boone are among those to be interred Sunday at the Damascus
> Cemetery.
> In ceremonies beginning at 3:30p.m., church and
> community memebers will dedicate three Ohio historical markers, and reinter
> remains from the Friends Burying Grounds near the Damascus Friends Church.
> The first historical plaque to be unveiled will mark
> the site of the Friends Burying Grounds.
> Dr. John White, professor of anthropology at
> Youngstown State University, and a group of YSU students and community
> volunteers spent the spring and summer months this year and in 2001
> carefully unearthing and cataloging the cemetery's remains.
> Clarence Sekerak of the church said the people buried
> beside the church from 1787-1843 were members of the church and their
> children. He said the current congregation has been planning since the
> 1970's to move the cemetery to make room for future expansion, and they
> finally did so under White's direction.
> Continued From B1
> White said the volunteers and studens worked
> carefully since the nearly 200-year-old remains were fragil and difficult
> to distinguish from the surrounding clay soil.
>
> Burial method
>
> He said the Quakers often buried their dead by
> wrapping them in shrouds rather than clothing them. They were then placed
> in simple pine boxes withouth handles or ornamentation.
> White said because of that method of burial, the only
> articles found were nails and hinges from the coffins and about a dozen
> buttons.
> White said the graves were arranged in rows and the
> dead buried in the order they died, rather than in family plots. Because
> they lived a simple lifestyle, they did not mark the individual graves, but
> the congregation faithfully kept death records, he said.
> Skerak said after a ceremony near the church, two
> markers will be placed at the Damascus Cemetery just east of the church.
> One marker will be placed at the site where the 118
> remains from the Friends Burying Grounds will be interred. The remains
> will be placed in a mass grave and a plaque will list the 118 names and the
> dates of each person's birth and death, he said.
>
> Revoluntionary War veteran
>
> Ann Jones Cobbs of Winona is the great-great
> granddaughter of Catlit Jones Sr., whose remains are among those to be
> interred.
> She said he was a Revolutionary War veteran who
> traveled to Kentucky with Daniel Boone and was among 21 men who helped
> Boone rescue his daughter who had been captured by Indians.
> He moved to Ohio and settled on Valley Road south
> of Damascus. The land remained in the family until recently, Cobbs said.
> She said Jones became a Quaker minister, riding on
> horseback to various churches to preach, and may have been the church's
> first minister.
> The other marker at the Damascus Cemetery will mark
> the site where an unknown number of remains of slaves and freed slaves and
> their family members were buried in 1914, having been moved from a private
> cemetery in Knox Township.
> Sereak said the cemetery was on land owned by
> Samuel Coppock of the Damascus church in the 1830's and was maintained by
> church members.
>
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I do not post much but I thought this most interesting story it was in our
sunday news.
October 27, 2002
Arsenic is danger to restoration workers
See related story: <A HREF="http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2002/10/27/local.20021027-sbt-FUL...">Landmark nearly forgotten</A>
Arsenic is danger to restoration workers
Workers carrying out restoration at Witter Cemetery or any other 19th-century
burial grounds need to be aware of a potential hazard they probably never
thought of: arsenic poisoning.Arsenic was the main ingredient used in
embalming fluid in the second half of the 19th century, often in such high
concentrations that it could potentially harm archeologists or cemetery
workers, said John L. Konefes, an environmental scientist at the University
of Northern Iowa.Arsenic first began to be used for embalming corpses during
the Civil War, to allow the bodies of those killed in battle to be shipped
back home for burial. It was mixed with water, which was then injected into
the corpses.Funeral homes began using it after the war, and arsenic remained
the main embalming agent until the early 1900s.As much as 12 pounds of
arsenic would be used to embalm a single corpse, Konefes said.Because arsenic
does not break down naturally, it remains in a grave site and can leech into
the ground water or be released into the air should a grave collapse. That is
why he recommends people working around old graves for protracted periods of
time wear protective clothing.
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In a message dated 10/27/02 8:57:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
md9105(a)skyenet.net writes:
> Sounds like you have been doing this for a long time.......
>
>
No I am a good Listener and i use a logical approach. Warm and Dry and
like you say Clean
Bob
Reelsville is in Putnam county on HIghway 40 (the old national road) and
is about halfway between Terre Haute and
Indianapolis. Greencastle is nearby.
John and Sara Reel had 11 children.
They came from Kentucky, perhaps Bourbon county as they were friends
with the very first pioneer who settled in the county and he was from
there.
In a message dated 10/27/02 7:52:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Armytruck(a)webtv.net writes:
> Are you aware of John and Mary Reel
> who established Reelsville in 1826 ?
>
>
> I have never done any genealogy.I dont know where Reelesville is
Bob
In a message dated 10/27/02 7:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
> , the family
> name was sometimes spelled REAL with an "A" and one branch settled along
> the
> Ohio River. Any relation, or have you ever seen it spelled that way in your
>
> line. Have also seen it spelled REHL and they sometimes pronounce Reel like
>
> "rail". How about you? Are there many Reals in your area? I take it you're
> from Indiana.
> Thanks,
> Jon Andrews
>
>
>
> .
> It is spelled Real. I live in Jefferson Co Ky. soon to be Only Louisville
> after the county and city merger. it will be the 16th largest city in the
> country.Their are also Reehl, Riehl, and also Reel spellings in the
> county.. There are also only Reals across the river in Indiana. No other
> spellings.
> Robert
Bob:
I am looking for Reels, Reals, Rehls in Indiana cemeteries.
This is totally off the subject, but open to everyone. We have several
families and two cemeteries in Knox County named REEL. Way back, the family
name was sometimes spelled REAL with an "A" and one branch settled along the
Ohio River. Any relation, or have you ever seen it spelled that way in your
line. Have also seen it spelled REHL and they sometimes pronounce Reel like
"rail". How about you? Are there many Reals in your area? I take it you're
from Indiana.
Thanks,
Jon Andrews
>From: Bjreal332(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] RE: Epoxy temperature
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:25:33 EST
>
>In a message dated 10/25/02 8:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>elasley(a)sigecom.net writes:
>
>
> > Lois & Bob R.,
> >
> > I have not had very good luck with Mastico below 50 degrees
>
>
>I repaired 2 broken stones today that were snapped in half. It was 59 which
>was warm enough but they were wet. I took a generator and a heat gun out
>and
>one stone at a time I used the gun to dry each end and got them dry and hot
>and it only took me about 45 minutes for each one. they set up real good
>and
>solid. with out the heat I could not have fixed them they were to wet. I
>believe I could go down to 45 or even 40 if I used heat before I put the
>pieces together. They set real quick.
>Robert
>
>
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In a message dated 10/25/02 8:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
elasley(a)sigecom.net writes:
> Lois & Bob R.,
>
> I have not had very good luck with Mastico below 50 degrees
I repaired 2 broken stones today that were snapped in half. It was 59 which
was warm enough but they were wet. I took a generator and a heat gun out and
one stone at a time I used the gun to dry each end and got them dry and hot
and it only took me about 45 minutes for each one. they set up real good and
solid. with out the heat I could not have fixed them they were to wet. I
believe I could go down to 45 or even 40 if I used heat before I put the
pieces together. They set real quick.
Robert
Question- What is the difference on opinion on what "Preservation" versus
"Restoration" of cemeteries would be?
Restoration is what is done so that descendants can find the cemetery.
Remove all the excess and overgrowth, reset the stones, etc. -- all the
great stuff you people who can get out and work in these cemeteries do.
Preservation is what is done to keep the cemetery in the condition it is in
at the end of the Restoration process. If one can get the trustees to do
this, great! If it's up to the cemetery commission, then they need funding
to mow and clean.
Preservation keeps the cemetery in a condition so it doesn't need
restoration.
Sharon Howell
In a message dated 10/26/02 10:52:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bsmead(a)gte.net
writes:
> Mark, I believe that Restoration is what has to be done when Preservation
> hasn't been done.
> Brian E. Smead
> Terre Haute, Indiana
>
>
Brian you are right, you have to restore what you fail to preserve.
Constant preserving (maintenance) avoids later restoring damage caused by
failing to preserve.?
Robert R
Question- What is the difference on opinion on what "Preservation" versus "Restoration" of cemeteries would be?
I have my ideas and opinion but would like to hear the thoughts of everyone else (in one hundred words or less).
Thanks.
Mark Davis
4 Lakeview Ct.
Hartford City,Indiana 47348
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