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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Mattheis MARKE MEDIA
To: John Walters
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: video
John
I'm in Hagerstown (Wayne Co.) and have been producing instructional videos for 15 years so I understand when you say most people do more harm than good. Do you have anything in print on your procedures or is the knowledge in your head and hands? We should talk about the possibilities. I may be in Connersville tomorrow.
Mark Mattheis
Marke Media
115 East Main Hagerstown Indiana Phone: 765-489-4098
Hello ,
I am John Walters and I don't know for sure about the expert title,but it seems most people refer to me as that.
We have talked about a training video through the INPCRP group and all seems to be in favor of.I have six years experience in cemetery restoration and a great passion for the work I do.I would certainly be interested in further discussion on the matter.
I feel itshould cover the wrongs and rights to restoration,so many people with good intentions do more harm than good.The historic integrity of the historic site must be dealt with as the historic site that it is.Keep in touch if I can be of assistance.
John "Walt" Walters
765-825-7313
I live in Fayette County
In a message dated 1/19/02 12:23:05 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
loismauk(a)home.com writes:
> I'm not saying this is
> the right way to repair these stones; just offering the above photo as an
> illustration.
>
> Lois
>
>
>
>
> Lois,
> The stainless steel these stones are held together with apparently was
> the only method available to them at the time. I saw some of the stones and
> as you say, without the steel the stones probably would be gone. They maybe
> aren't pretty, but they are still there. I think we said at the time we
> visited there in 2000, it was better than nothing. But where the cemeteries
> are located on the huge government reservation there was not much of an
> opportunity to do much else. Like it or not, this is a case where it was a
> necessity. I won't say I agree with the solution either, but as I said
> earlier if it has to be to save the stone, then so be it. The "sleeves were
> undoubtedly made on the reservation. And also at a time when there was
> nothing else that could be done to save them. We saw some in the smaller
> cemetery by the buildings that were in worse condition, but still there.
Jack E. Briles Sr.
jb502000@aol,com
As some of you know, my husband Mike has been in and out of the hospital
several times since 12/21/2001. Trying to catch up on some of my e-mail
this weekend. Looks like we're expecting 3 to 6" of snow this weekend, so
there's a fair chance I'll be able to respond to a couple of dozen e-mails
this weekend.
Jack mentioned stones in some of the 10 cemeteries inside the Indiana Army
Ammunition Plant being repaired with steel sleeves. Found a fairly good
picture of one at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc/friendcem.html
(see the second photo.)
These repairs were done by the contractor responsible for mowing the
cemeteries inside the 10,000-acre Ammunition Plant. I'm not saying this is
the right way to repair these stones; just offering the above photo as an
illustration.
Lois
In a message dated 1/16/02 5:17:42 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
> . I've been to
> both cemeteries several times and was there when they did a dig on
> Johnson's
> Island.
Jon,
On the Issue of Johnsons Island in Ohio, did you read the article in
the Akron Beacon Journal. The Lady Reporter, Fran, said she was amazed when
she saw carved on a large boulder on the Island that 2,300 confederate
soilders were buried there.. I believe you, but where did she come up with
such a number. And on what Boulder on the Island. I went to the Johnson
Island web site and never saw that mentioned. What's happened. I'll be in
Ohio in March, I think I'll go visit the cemetery.
Jack Briles
jb502000(a)aol.com
In a message dated 1/18/02 5:34:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
elasley(a)sigecom.net writes:
> As for the epoxy stopping the water from wicking up from the ground, that
> may be a good thing. At least not much moisture can wick up into the
> stone, and what does can escape through the front, back & sides. The epoxy
> in the break may even stop the wicking process. As the sun heats the top
> part of the stone, the epoxy may prevent it from drawing moisture from the
> ground. (the wicking process) And I tend to agree with you about
> waterproofing the top of the stone, that it would do more good than harm.
>
> Ernie
>
>
Ernie, Preserving the life of Tombstones is our main goal
I see that you understand about waterproofing above the Epoxied Break.
I think I should make my self perfectly clear that I DO NOT CONDONE IN ANY
WAY, WATERPROOFING A STONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN EPOXIED.
I have taken a piece of broken Marble Tombstone, and a piece of
Limestone from scrap and Applied Epoxy to each and joined the Limestone
together, and Marble pieces together and set the joined 4 inch pieces of each
in 1 inch of water for 48 hours. This is what we do in water absorption tests
on building materials and file reports to the Architect for approval about
how many CC of water is absorbed in a given time. After 48 hours there was
absolutely no water in the top pieces of the joined stones, proving the water
will not "wick" above the Mastico Epoxy. Therefore the water will disperse
through the sides, back and front at the "repair" as you said. Since there is
no water "wicking" up, it will not hurt to cover all 4 sides of the stone
from that point up, being very careful not to get waterproofing on the lower
part. If the Restoreationists want's to add life to the upper part of the
stone, clean it as best as possible and Waterproof the upper part as I have
outlined. No short cuts, and DO NOT GO BELOW THE REPAIR. If the top area
cannot absorb water, you do not have to be concerned with water dispersal.
I deliberately poured water on the stone in the memorial at old St.
Peters Cem., only the bottom 3 inches absorbed any water. it will soon have
been there 1 1/2 years. Unfortunately after 2 days of rain I found the bottom
dark with water discoloration, but the top was just as white as when I
installed it. Let common sense rule. For those that choose to use Stainless
steel, that is their choice. We all do the best we can. Sincerely
Jack E. Briles sr.
jb502000(a)aol.com
In a message dated 1/18/02 12:33:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
wspurlock(a)savinggraves.com writes:
> Hi Jack,
>
> One of the questions that I have about the sleeve is that I also was
> concerned about water retention,
Bill,
I have had a great concern for water retention since I saw my first
stone repaired with Epoxy. I repaired one in a memorial I built, and the
first Epoxy was about 3 inches above the base. I have considered
waterproofing the top sections of a broken stone to Preserve it, but the
"Experts" say water absorption from the ground cannot escape drawn by the
sun, if I waterproof the Top. In my 40 odd years experience with various
types of stone repairs, water wicking up from the Ground cannot pass the
first Epoxy repair. So therefore if the break is near the bottom of the stone
there is no need to worry about waterproofing above the break, because the
water coming up from the ground from the base is stopped by the Epoxy. And if
I waterproof from the Epoxy up, no water can penetrate the stone above the
Epoxy, therefore there is nothing to evaporate out of the top of the stone
because nothing can go above the Epoxied break, nor penetrate the
Waterproofed area above the break. I believe after cleaning the top area
well, and then applying waterproofing, The life of the stone will be
Prolonged. In my opinion, waterproofing the Top above the Epoxy should give
roughly 5-7 years of extended life with no weather damage. This is an
opinion I have not heard before, but my experience in the Masonry Business
for over 40 years tells me I am right. I know there will be disagreements,
if so I would like to hear them, and have them explained to me. But I would
like the basis for the disagreement. Discussion of preservation is healthy
for our group. I welcome it. Sincerely,
Jack E. Briles sr.
jb502000(a)aol.com
In a message dated 1/18/02 9:17:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
wspurlock(a)savinggraves.com writes:
> . The
> process that was used in restoring these two stones is something that I've
> never seen before and I was just wondering if anyone else had seen something
> like this, and what kind of opinions you might have on something like this.
>
> I have to admit that from what I see, I'm not really sure what I think of it
> yet.
Bill,
Lois has some cemeteries in the old US Army Amunition Property in
Charlestown, Indiana. I looked at them and was not impressed. It seems to
take away from the historical look of the cemetery. But If an individual
can't Epoxy the stone back, then I guess it is acceptable. Most aren,t as
well done as this one. And as you said, it would be very expensive unless the
person making the repairs, or a friend made the "sleve". But it sort of takes
away from the natural senerity of the site if you have several. Also it would
seem to have water retention longer than normal with possible accleration of
decomposition of the stone, due to, as I understand being set in concrete.
But it certainly is better than the stone being run over by a mower. I also
believe I saw 1 or 2 with the sides only, up in Fayette County that John
walters took care of.
Jack Briles
Hi Larry,
Yup, they did use stainless steel.
William Spurlock
Saving Graves
http://www.savinggraves.com
-----Original Message-----
From: larry galloway [mailto:galloway@kconline.com]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:55 AM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] FW: Harrison Cemetery
I love the idea, and the way it looks, however I have to agree with you
it puts it out of most people abilities and price range. It is very nice
though. And I have never seen anything like it. I think its a great
idea....They must have used stainless steel..er at least I hope they did.
Tisha
On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 09:17 AM, William Spurlock wrote:
> Hi,
>
> A few days ago, I received a email from a lady who had restored two
> gravestones in the Harrison Cemetery in Kalamazoo County, Michigan. The
> process that was used in restoring these two stones is something that
> I've
> never seen before and I was just wondering if anyone else had seen
> something
> like this, and what kind of opinions you might have on something like
> this.
>
> I have to admit that from what I see, I'm not really sure what I think
> of it
> yet. My first thought is that the cost and the labor involved would put
> out
> of reach of most people. I was also a little confused at first, thinking
> that the "faceplate" was covering the carving on the stone until I
> realized
> that what they refer to as the front is really the back of the stone.
>
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maizeblue6/index42.html
>
> And
>
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maizeblue6/index56.html
>
> William Spurlock
> Saving Graves
> http://www.savinggraves.com
>
>
>
>
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Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
England
and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
"Show me the manner in which a nation or community
cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
to high ideals."
Hi,
A few days ago, I received a email from a lady who had restored two
gravestones in the Harrison Cemetery in Kalamazoo County, Michigan. The
process that was used in restoring these two stones is something that I've
never seen before and I was just wondering if anyone else had seen something
like this, and what kind of opinions you might have on something like this.
I have to admit that from what I see, I'm not really sure what I think of it
yet. My first thought is that the cost and the labor involved would put out
of reach of most people. I was also a little confused at first, thinking
that the "faceplate" was covering the carving on the stone until I realized
that what they refer to as the front is really the back of the stone.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maizeblue6/index42.html
And
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maizeblue6/index56.html
William Spurlock
Saving Graves
http://www.savinggraves.com
The Kentucky Historical Society has announced its plan to place their
Cemetery Index online.
http://www.heritagequest.com/html/lhgl_020116.html#ky
Jeannie Regan-Dinius
Cemetery Registry Coordinator
Department of Natural Resources
Division of Historic Preservation and Archaeology
317/232-1646
317/232-0693 (fax)
402 W. Washington Street RM W274
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Just incase anyone is heading that way.
Don't you wish they would sale videotapes more often.
Maybe someday.
L A
Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator
See our cemeteries at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html
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Jack:
Your recent post made me remember another interesting site along the same
line as your article, except in Indiana. Check it out.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/lafcivilwar.htm
Know of any more across the state?
Jon Andrews
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In a message dated 1/15/02 9:28:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
> Jack:
> If that link does not work, which it apparently doesn't, try
>
>
Jon, the Link to the Story I read does work, I just tried it. I may have made
a mistake before, but this one goes to the only story I ever heard about the
Cemetery; www.ohio.com/travel/fran/docs/052498.html I personaly have
no Idea, except for what I read.
Jack
In a message dated 1/15/02 10:56:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
MHDoyle361(a)aol.com writes:
> The site of Camp Chase is not on Johnson's Island. Camp Chase is
> Columbus,Ohio. Johnson's Island Prisoner of War Camp is on Johnson's
> Island
> near Sandusky. There has always been a causeway making the cemetery easy
> to
>
The Story came from and is available at the address I E-mailed, The Akron
Beacon
Jack Briles
In a message dated 1/15/02 11:25:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
sianoil(a)hotmail.com writes:
> Hate to disagree, but the causeway to the island was built between 1968 and
> 1972 as a private road and not opened to the public until 1977 for
> visitations to the cemetery. That is why they called it an island. There
> was
> no road or access, except by boat or ice bridge before that.
> Jon Andrews
>
>
>
Jon, I haven't been there, the story came from the Akron Beacon
Jack Briles
Hate to disagree, but the causeway to the island was built between 1968 and
1972 as a private road and not opened to the public until 1977 for
visitations to the cemetery. That is why they called it an island. There was
no road or access, except by boat or ice bridge before that.
Jon Andrews
>From: MHDoyle361(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Confederate Cemetery in Middle of Ohio
>Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:54:18 EST
>
>The site of Camp Chase is not on Johnson's Island. Camp Chase is
>Columbus,Ohio. Johnson's Island Prisoner of War Camp is on Johnson's
>Island
>near Sandusky. There has always been a causeway making the cemetery easy
>to
>visit. The area historical society has information available for
>researchers.
>
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The site of Camp Chase is not on Johnson's Island. Camp Chase is
Columbus,Ohio. Johnson's Island Prisoner of War Camp is on Johnson's Island
near Sandusky. There has always been a causeway making the cemetery easy to
visit. The area historical society has information available for
researchers.
Jack:
If that link does not work, which it apparently doesn't, try
www.johnsonsisland.com
also, the number of burials sounds awfully high. There aren't but about
300 burials at Johnson's Island. Camp Chase is a fairly good sized cemetery.
Maybe a couple thousand. Of course, they have a lot of them they cannot
account for up on the Island. During the rough winter of
1863, WITH NO FOOD, they had several disappear under mysterious
circumstances and they damn sure didn't escape. Although, a few did.
I guess they had to do whatever it took to stay alive.
Anyway, there is a real interesting site about Camp Chase and the cemetery
and people that were there on geocities.
Jon Andrews
>From: Jb502000(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] Confederate Cemetery in Middle of Ohio
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:52:37 EST
>
>
>I thought someone may like to know the following;
>
> I Ran across an article published in the Akron Beacon Journal,
>Sunday, May 24, 1998. I thought it was interesting, because it says most
>people in the area of Columbus don't know it's a Confederate Cemetery.
>Originally there was a "Camp Chase" on Johnson's Island which At one time
>held 9,416 Southern Prisoners. The Confederate Dead are buried in the one
>time camp. The article says since Real Estate Developers have built a
>causeway off Marblehead Peninsula, visitors have been able to pay a toll
>and
>drive over and see the Johnson Island Cemetery. The Island is in Sandusky
>Bay. There is a Historical Marker at the Entrance Rd. near 10414 Bay Shore
>rd. East of Lakeside and Marblehead. The Article can be found at ;
>www.ohio.com/travel/fran/docs/052498.html
>
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Jack:
So everyone better understands. Camp Chase is in Columbus. Johnson's Island
is off Sandusky in Lake Erie. Both were Union prisons housing Confederates
and had a lot of deaths from disease and burials of Confederates along with
a Union soldier from Indiana shot for treason.
Most POW's were officers. Johnson's Island was built to ease the load of
Camp Chase. Camp Chase was located downtown Columbus near 2nd and Broadway
Sts. There is a lot of interesting material about both on the web. American
History magazine had a good two part article back in 1998. I have a book and
video called "Rebel Fire/Yankee Ice" about Johnson's Island if you want to
borrow it. Johnson's Island was sort of a Northern Andersonville, but you
never heard about it in the north. Conditions, mostly climate and food were
terrible. Hence, the great amount of deaths. David Bush from Heidelberg (OH)
University has done a tremendous amount of archealogical research on the
property. Both Federal and Prison sites and cemetery along with Rich Green
of HAR, over the last few years. I've been especially interested in it all,
because my great-grandfather was a Union Guard who transported prisoners
from Camp Chase to Johnson's Island and stood guard duty many a cold winter
there. David Bush has a website at
http://heidelberg.edu/~dbush/
or go to any search engine for Johnson's Island or Camp Chase. Rootweb has
Tennessee Confederate Burials listed, etc. etc.
Good Stuff, if you're interested and quite a place to see.
Jon Andrews
>From: Jb502000(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [INPCRP] Confederate Cemetery in Middle of Ohio
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:52:37 EST
>
>
>I thought someone may like to know the following;
>
> I Ran across an article published in the Akron Beacon Journal,
>Sunday, May 24, 1998. I thought it was interesting, because it says most
>people in the area of Columbus don't know it's a Confederate Cemetery.
>Originally there was a "Camp Chase" on Johnson's Island which At one time
>held 9,416 Southern Prisoners. The Confederate Dead are buried in the one
>time camp. The article says since Real Estate Developers have built a
>causeway off Marblehead Peninsula, visitors have been able to pay a toll
>and
>drive over and see the Johnson Island Cemetery. The Island is in Sandusky
>Bay. There is a Historical Marker at the Entrance Rd. near 10414 Bay Shore
>rd. East of Lakeside and Marblehead. The Article can be found at ;
>www.ohio.com/travel/fran/docs/052498.html
>
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