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Hello Everyone,
I'm another one of those new ones that Lois was talking about that should introduce myself. You might have to bear with me as I tend to rattle on a bit. I received a link to your web page from a distant cousin a few months ago and have learned a lot from it.
My name is Brian Smead, I live in Terre Haute, Indiana, coming to Indiana for the first time to live after retiring from the military in 1995. Though I'm not from Indiana. I grew up in Los Angeles, my "hoosier roots" run deep, with my ancestors coming to Allen County in 1826.
I'm interested in two cemeteries in Allen County, the first being Hatfield Cemetery in Washington township. This one acre cemetery was willed to the township in 1865 by Thomas Hatfield, a soldier of the War of 1812. Thomas was my 4x grandfather. I found this cemetery in 1981 when I started doing my genealogy and while I was active duty, tried to get there about once a year to clean my families sites. In the last few years, a lot of the sites have really gotten bad with a lot of overgrowth and destruction. On one visit there in July, this year, I spent the weekend just cleaning sites and cleared off trees and brush from 15 graves that were completly covered. I called the city police and state police about the vandalism but they didn't care. I also took pictures to the historical society and they wouldn't even look at them, so I've been on my own. The township trustee blames the overgrowth, to which I had to use a chainsaw to get through, on "heavy Spring rains". All the overgrowth that I cleared off the graves in July was still sitting in a big pile over a month later. The caretaker/trustee had to go around it with a mower but wouldn't remove it.
The other cemetery I'm trying to find. It was the Archer Cemetery, in Allen County. It's now Johnny Appleseed park. Johnny Appleseed was buried in the Archer Cemetery however, when the park was created, all the other graves were moved, at least once, maybe twice. One of those graves was Judge Benjamin Archer, my 5x grandfather, who also came to Allen County in 1826 with his son-in-law Thomas Hatfield. Benjamin Archer was one of the founders of Centerville, Ohio in 1796.
Anyway, that's my story. Hopefully, I will be able to see some of you at one of the workshops. I'm wanting to get to one of them.
Brian E. Smead
bsmead(a)gte.net
Hi,
My name is Sharon Bryant and although I live in Norfolk, VA I am the
webmaster for the Putnam County INGenWeb site.
My 4th great-grandparents are buried in a small rural cemetery which they
had donated land for in Clinton Township, Putnam Co. A quarter-acre had been
excepted from the deed for the surrounding land the last time is was sold. I
don't believe the owner of the quarter acre realized that it was still in
her name as the farmer who owned the land surrounding that quarter acre had
farmed it for more than 20 years. There were only two graves there and they
had been surrounded by a board fence for as long as I can remember.
Shortly after the owner of the quarter acre died my mother and I visited the
cemetery. I found that the farmer was plowing within less than 1 foot of the
board fence on the side away from the road where it could not be seen. The
estate had not been settled so I went to court as an "interested party" and
petitioned that the quarter acre burial site be deeded to me. The estate had
claimed that there was no value to the land. My concern was that the fence
would be "damaged accidentally" and then soon disappear along with the
headstones which had been there since the 1870s.
I didn't make a lot of friends but I got the quarter acre deeded to me and
registered it with the county assessor's office as a cemetery. Intending to
have a fence built to encompass the entire quarter acre I had the county
surveyor come out and survey and install corner pins set in concrete.
Imagine my surprise when the survey came back showing that the two graves
enclosed by the board fence are actually 10 feet outside the quarter acre.
I tried to negotiate with the farm owner but he was just as hard-headed as I
am about the amount of land I should be willing to give up to him in
exchange for an additional 12 feet to encompass the graves. So at the
present time the two graves are still outside the quarter acre burial site,
we CAN still get to them to maintain them and their fence. My mother hired
someone to come and plow the quarter acre and reseed it in grass seed. They
also cut down an old snag tree that straddled the property line and hauled
that away. The graves are maintained as well as the "burial site".
I still hope to be able to negotiate with the current farm owner (the
previous owner died and it's in the hands of a family corporation now) to
restructure the property lines to make it more advantageous to all of us. In
the meantime, Grandma and Grandpa can "rest in peace."
Sharon
I have found this on one of my lists this morning..
Thought it was relevant..
Zella
----- Original Message -----
From: <CMitchOCBU(a)aol.com>
To: <ILKNOX-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Cemetery MOVING
> This is forwarded by request from another list
> Hello,
>
> I live in St. Louis, Missouri and saw on the local news tonight that There
is
> a BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK - 1843 - 1963 ( North St. Louis) that is Looking
> for persons with family buried there. The airport is being expanded and
they
> are going to move the CEMETERY.
>
> Is there a way to get this message to as many listers as possible in a
> short amount of time?
>
> Can you help!
>
> Pat Jones Smith
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
> MSmith3030(a)aol.com
>
> Here is more information. Notice names listed. Feel free to send on. We
> have Pat Jones Smith, of St. Louis, to thank for posts. (See end.)
> Alexandra
>
> BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK, Bridgeton, Missouri This burying ground at 4616
Long
> Road was made into a memorial park in 1962. In 1959 several lawsuits were
> filed against the City for allowing the cemetery to deteriorate.
Individual
> stones had already been removed "through error and misunderstanding" but
> members of the Bridgeton Historical Commission were able to learn the
names
> of some who were buried there and a large monument was erected in 1963
which
> bears this inscription, "We honor the people buried here. They were part
of
> this nation's adventure and their
> vision lighted the path we follow today."
>
> At the dedication ceremonies, Mrs. Anna Wilson gave a talk about
> African-American veterans who are buried here. Records indicate that
> the cemetery was integrated from its beginning. It was in use as late
> as 1954 and at least 100 people are buried in the two acres. On the
> bronze plaque of the monument are the following names:
>
> (alphabetized by secondary poster)
>
> Adams, Annie
> Adams, Benjamin
> Adams, George
> Adams, Lottie
> Alexander, Ben
> Alexander, George
> Alexander, Henry
> Alexander, Lucy
> Allen, Eugene
> Bassett, Arthur
> Bivens, Febie
> Bivens, George
> Bivens, Lizzie
> Bivens, Millie
> Bivens, Rafe
> Bivens, Samuel
> Black, Cosley
> Black, Edward
> Black, Hiram
> Black, King
> Black, Sam
> Carter, Bell
> Cheeks, Lilly
> Clanton, Henry
> Dickson, Fred
> Duglas Jr., Joe
> Edwards, Auston
> Edwards Jr., Auston
> Edwards, Grace
> Edwards, Katie
> Galliger Family, The
> Grannison, Almiria
> Haggerty, Jack
> Hall, Creed
> Hall, Hillard
> Hall, Hiram
> Hall Jr., Creed
> Heidron Children, The
> Hodge, Lizzie
> Hodge, Steve
> Horn Family, The
> Jackson, Nasrus
> Johnson, Amy
> Johnson, George
> Johnson, Julia
> Johnson, Robert
> Johnson, Turner
> Knight, Mr.
> Lewis, Henry
> Lint, Hal
> Lint, Luvenia
> McClure Family, The
> Moore, Jessie
> Mumps, Enoch
> Phillips, Elio
> Phillips, Eliza
> Phillips, Ike
> Phillips, Tilly
> Phillips, Walter
> Pruitt, Bell
> Pueroa Family, The
> Riddle, Fred
> Robertson, James
> Rush, Will
> Scott, Baron
> Scott, Louise
> Scott, Lydia
> Smith, Laura
> Stanton, Roberta
> Stevenson, Lewis
> Steward, Fred
> Stocker, Henry
> Taylor, Joseph
> Thompson, Abe
> Thompson, Henry
> Thompson, Hiram
> Thompson, Jenny
> Tucker, Mamie
> Vonsray, Barney
> Wadlington, Texas Hall
> Walker, Edward
> Walker, Kit
> Walker, Lizzie
> Walker, Quiller
> Walker, Tommy
> White, Barbara
> White, John
> White, Noah
> White, Shibina
> William Dr., Berry
> Wilson, Alice
> Wilson, Ernest
> Wilson, George
> Woodson, Theodore
> Woolfolk, Baby
> Woolfolk, Hadley
> Wright, Gibson
> Wright, Hiram
> Wright, Mamie
> Young, Green
> Young, Mary Ann
> Young, Skip
>
> This list was given to me by :
> The Missouri Historical Society
> P.O. Box 11940
> St. Louis, Missouri 63112-0040
> (314) 746-4599
>
> There is a Shirley Wotawa that is seeking information about the persons
> buried here. If you can help with this project, please contact her at
> 9512 Glen Owen, Ferguson, Missouri 63136. This address is from the
> fall of 1998. You can also contact the St. Louis Dept. of Parks and
> Recreation Historical Preservation Office at (314) 615-0357.
>
I have found this on one of my lists this morning..
Thought it was relevant..
Zella
----- Original Message -----
From: <CMitchOCBU(a)aol.com>
To: <ILKNOX-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: [ILKNOX-L] Cemetery MOVING
> This is forwarded by request from another list
> Hello,
>
> I live in St. Louis, Missouri and saw on the local news tonight that There
is
> a BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK - 1843 - 1963 ( North St. Louis) that is Looking
> for persons with family buried there. The airport is being expanded and
they
> are going to move the CEMETERY.
>
> Is there a way to get this message to as many listers as possible in a
> short amount of time?
>
> Can you help!
>
> Pat Jones Smith
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
> MSmith3030(a)aol.com
>
> Here is more information. Notice names listed. Feel free to send on. We
> have Pat Jones Smith, of St. Louis, to thank for posts. (See end.)
> Alexandra
>
> BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK, Bridgeton, Missouri This burying ground at 4616
Long
> Road was made into a memorial park in 1962. In 1959 several lawsuits were
> filed against the City for allowing the cemetery to deteriorate.
Individual
> stones had already been removed "through error and misunderstanding" but
> members of the Bridgeton Historical Commission were able to learn the
names
> of some who were buried there and a large monument was erected in 1963
which
> bears this inscription, "We honor the people buried here. They were part
of
> this nation's adventure and their
> vision lighted the path we follow today."
>
> At the dedication ceremonies, Mrs. Anna Wilson gave a talk about
> African-American veterans who are buried here. Records indicate that
> the cemetery was integrated from its beginning. It was in use as late
> as 1954 and at least 100 people are buried in the two acres. On the
> bronze plaque of the monument are the following names:
>
> (alphabetized by secondary poster)
>
> Adams, Annie
> Adams, Benjamin
> Adams, George
> Adams, Lottie
> Alexander, Ben
> Alexander, George
> Alexander, Henry
> Alexander, Lucy
> Allen, Eugene
> Bassett, Arthur
> Bivens, Febie
> Bivens, George
> Bivens, Lizzie
> Bivens, Millie
> Bivens, Rafe
> Bivens, Samuel
> Black, Cosley
> Black, Edward
> Black, Hiram
> Black, King
> Black, Sam
> Carter, Bell
> Cheeks, Lilly
> Clanton, Henry
> Dickson, Fred
> Duglas Jr., Joe
> Edwards, Auston
> Edwards Jr., Auston
> Edwards, Grace
> Edwards, Katie
> Galliger Family, The
> Grannison, Almiria
> Haggerty, Jack
> Hall, Creed
> Hall, Hillard
> Hall, Hiram
> Hall Jr., Creed
> Heidron Children, The
> Hodge, Lizzie
> Hodge, Steve
> Horn Family, The
> Jackson, Nasrus
> Johnson, Amy
> Johnson, George
> Johnson, Julia
> Johnson, Robert
> Johnson, Turner
> Knight, Mr.
> Lewis, Henry
> Lint, Hal
> Lint, Luvenia
> McClure Family, The
> Moore, Jessie
> Mumps, Enoch
> Phillips, Elio
> Phillips, Eliza
> Phillips, Ike
> Phillips, Tilly
> Phillips, Walter
> Pruitt, Bell
> Pueroa Family, The
> Riddle, Fred
> Robertson, James
> Rush, Will
> Scott, Baron
> Scott, Louise
> Scott, Lydia
> Smith, Laura
> Stanton, Roberta
> Stevenson, Lewis
> Steward, Fred
> Stocker, Henry
> Taylor, Joseph
> Thompson, Abe
> Thompson, Henry
> Thompson, Hiram
> Thompson, Jenny
> Tucker, Mamie
> Vonsray, Barney
> Wadlington, Texas Hall
> Walker, Edward
> Walker, Kit
> Walker, Lizzie
> Walker, Quiller
> Walker, Tommy
> White, Barbara
> White, John
> White, Noah
> White, Shibina
> William Dr., Berry
> Wilson, Alice
> Wilson, Ernest
> Wilson, George
> Woodson, Theodore
> Woolfolk, Baby
> Woolfolk, Hadley
> Wright, Gibson
> Wright, Hiram
> Wright, Mamie
> Young, Green
> Young, Mary Ann
> Young, Skip
>
> This list was given to me by :
> The Missouri Historical Society
> P.O. Box 11940
> St. Louis, Missouri 63112-0040
> (314) 746-4599
>
> There is a Shirley Wotawa that is seeking information about the persons
> buried here. If you can help with this project, please contact her at
> 9512 Glen Owen, Ferguson, Missouri 63136. This address is from the
> fall of 1998. You can also contact the St. Louis Dept. of Parks and
> Recreation Historical Preservation Office at (314) 615-0357.
>
19 years, 4 months
by Barbara Lee
Hi,
We are Norman and Barbara Robison Lee and we are working on the Fouts/Robison Cemetery in
Washington Twp. in Clark County. Many of my (Barbara) ancestors are buried there as well as
many Fouts, Bower, Fisher, Montgomery, Payne, Robinette, Copple, Taff, and Smith ancestors.
The cemetery has been neglected for years and years and needs weeks of work just
to clear the brush, vines, trees, etc.
Thanks to the Clark Co. Sheriff's Department, some work has been done by a work detail under the
supervision of Deputy Sheriff Joe Egan.
Barbara Robison Lee
Dear Friends:
We've added several new members to the INPCRP e-mail discussion group over the
last few days. I hope each of them will take a minute to write a message to
the group at:
INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
to introduce themselves and let us know a little about cemetery projects they
are working on or hope to tackle.
Lois
=================
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, October 7, 2000 at Sellersburg Library
http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc
I am forwarding this email to all the known state lists so everyone can see
what is being done nationally by the National Trust for Historic Places.
Ruth lays out the history of stolen cemetery items and the National Trusts'
involvement in national legislation quite nicely.
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruth Shapleigh-Brown" <shapbrown(a)home.com>
To: <CEMETERY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Old Bones CEMETERY-L] National effort to protect cemeteries
>
> Andi MacDonald wrote:
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of people provide
information
> > to the National Trust for Historic Places last year for cemetery
> > legislation covering all cemeteries in the U.S.? The information is to
be
> > used to introduce new legislation to the Federal House and Senate.
> >
> > Andi
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 12:57 PM
> > Subject: [Old Bones CEMETERY-L] National effort to protect cemeteries
> --------------------------
Ruth wrote:
> Yep! - and I have nothing NEW to report.
>
> for newcomers to list - history of progress / non progress of national
> attention as I know it.
>
> In 1998 (an upon getting my computer) I found myself, a cemetery
> preservationist with antique/auction background, positively obsessed
> with getting the message out about cemetery theft!!! For years it seems
> the belief in the cemetery industry was to keep it quite for fear of
> "copy cat" thefts. Then our ladies at Mt. Auburn Mass. "advertised"
> shall we say, that they were missing 8 gates. Within a few weeks, those
> gates were found at a junk dealers place of business "not so far away"..
>
> Well with the height of the "shabby chic" and "garden art" craze back
> then, it seems that up to 60% of this market WAS coming out of our
> cemeteries. Trailers traveling the country from coast to coast were
> found just loaded with cemetery items. (Don't ask what happened to them
> - unless there is a way to "advertise them" & "identify them" - what do
> you think a police station does with them---they sell them.)
> I started what I lovingly called "a National Awareness Campaign" on the
> topic. I bonded with many on this list and found new friends across the
> country, we got quite a few good pieces of press etc. etc. And at the
> annual AGS (Assoc. for Gravestone Studies) conference that year (held in
> Washington D.C.) we clearly had the attention of the National Trust for
> Historic Preservation.
> The National Cemetery Conservation People in New Orleans had already
> initiated their own drive for national legislation language for cemetery
> protection from theft. And at this conf. AGS started the same with the
> support of the Trust to do a like process for theft problems.
> Unfortunately it would seem these TWO forces could not be united.
> (divided we fall??)
>
> Well - I don't what happened to all the work that the NCCF was putting
> out, they seemed to have dropped off shortly after that.
> AGS has language written in joint effort with the trust - that has not
> been issued for "public" viewing YET. (as soon as I can, I will be happy
> to share it).. And although it quite thoroughly covers the issue, it
> only really covers the issue of theft. Which I'm slightly disappointed
> in, BUT these are very complexed issues when you start to break them
> down....one has to do things in steps!!
>
> Red tape, legal matters --- all things take time... but let's keep
> pushing!!!! WE NEED FEDERAL RECOGNITION TO PROTECT OUR HISTORIC BURIAL
> GROUNDS.
> SIGN THAT PETITION THAT BILL HAS ON SAVING GRAVES -- LET'S GET SOME
> BONDED ACTION AND ATTENTION - WRITE TO THE TRUST, YOUR REPRESENTATIVES
> - KEEP PUSHING AT EVERY LEVEL.
>
> As far as the theft issues, as all "fads", it would seem that some of
> this action has slowed down. I would like to think, that enough of us
> made enough noise, that it hit home an helped take a bite out of the
> demand. But it hasn't stopped. It's still a state to state issue.
>
> Ebay - can only manage so much... keep complaining to them. They had
> said before they would refuse to handle "gravemarkers" or anything that
> said "grave" in it or on it. However, telling the difference in some
> items is not easy. Again you have only a few states with laws about
> "selling" these items. In Connecticut we can't SELL them, but no one
> seems to care if a town removes them..(Phil is correct, many metal pcs
> were removed for the war efforts - but I'm talking about just this past
> year) So of course they go to scrap places and get SOLD!!!
>
> Art Loss is great - I don't know if they changed their policy , but you
> do (did) have to pay a minor fee to register your item.
>
> Another place to go that supports listing stolen cemetery items is
> Collectors.org and Maine Antiques Digest.
> Bill Spurlock - if you don't have these - you might want to link them on
> your excellent web site as well.
>
> http://maineantiquedigest.com
>
> http://theftreports.com
>
> Ruthie in Connecticut
Hello all,
On Saturday, I gave a cemetery workshop in Wenatchee at the Sunnyslope
Cemetery. The cemetery is very well maintained but the stones were in need
of care. The cemetery authority was most happy to have our class there to
do some work.
The Wenatchee World came and did a story on the class and it can be found
at http://www.wenworld.com/news/monday/news.html. The story is only online
for 24 hours so if you want to read it, you better check it out today or
first thing in the morning.
The people in the workshop were wonderful--they worked very hard and I hope
learned a lot.
Andi
In a message dated 9/24/00 10:47:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LoisMauk(a)home.com writes:
<< Jack Briles is planning a workday and rededication at Old St. Peters
Cemetery
on Saturday, September 30th. Jack, what TIME Saturday? (I know the rain
date
is 10/7/2000.)
Lois >>
Lois, The Cleanup is Planned for Sept. 30. Scheduled to begin between 8:00
and 8:30 A.M. We have a Brush Grinder that has been Donated by Mills Tree
Trimming Co. The Dedication is Sat. Oct 14, 2000. The Priest, Father Louis
Manna will Bless The Memorial, and rededicate the Cemetery. Incidentally, the
Child,s Stone I have recovered, and Repaired is the only stone left out of
possibly 50 - 100 or more, no one Knows how many are buried there. The
Records have not been found.
Thanks, jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
A friend sent me this link today to a Detroit news story about a couple who
cleaned up the cemetery next door to them and is now being sued by the
trustee of the cemetery. Unbelievable!
URL: http://detnews.com/2000/wayne/0009/19/d03-122252.htm
Ruth Cox Schlemmer
SE Indiana
First, let me say THANKS to EVERYONE who participated in yesterday's Clark
County Cemetery Restoration Workshop. We had a couple of snafus and a couple
of speakers who cancelled or didn't show up, but everyone I've talked to in
the last 24 hours or so said they had a good time and learned a few things
about this work.
An especially BIG thanks to Jack Briles, John Walters and Art Dillman for all
their hard work and willingness to share some of what they've learned.
I also want to thank Laura Dreistadt of the Historic Landmarks Foundation of
Indiana, Judge Stephen Fleece of the Clark County Superior Courts and Sheriff
Mike Becher for taking the time to speak Saturday.
It was also good to see some of our old INPCRP friends again. I wish I had
had a bit more time to talk with each of you.
We had about 60 people at the Workshop, 50 of whom were paid attendees. We
raised about $500 which has gone to the Silver Creek Cemeterial Association
for STONE REPAIR needs. This project is just getting underway and will take a
LOT of time, work, materials and effort. There are so many repairs needed at
this cemetery, which will be 200 years old in 2005.
I don't have any pictures from the first hour or so of the on-site
demonstrations that John Walters and Jack Briles conducted at Silver Creek
Cemetery. My husband, Mike Beavers (Bless His Heart), stayed behind at the
church to clean up after the morning session and took pictures when he arrived
at the cemetery. If you were there and have photos you'd like to share,
please contact me at LoisMauk(a)home.com.
I've uploaded about 40 pictues that Mike took to:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc/photoalbum.html
Something I failed to mention yesterday is that, in my opinion, one reason
these stones have not endured the passing years very well may be that, about
1/4 of a mile from the cemetery is a huge limestone quarrying operation. They
set off enormous explosive blasts almost every day. The report from the blast
is heard for miles in all directions. Because more new homes have shot up in
the area over the last few years and those homeowners have been quite vocal in
their complaints, the quarry operators have change the type of explosive used.
In years past, the blasts set off vibrations that could be felt for some
distance. The explosives used today are louder but cause less seismic
activity. I suspect that many years of nearby explosions have contributed to
a lot of the damage that we saw Saturday.
I talked Sunday to the current groundskeeper at the cemetery. He ASSURED me
that he is not to blame for the many stones found on the outside of the stone
fence. He is a fairly young man and I don't know how long he's been doing the
mowing, but he says he has NEVER pitched a stone but instead tries to move
loose stone fragments into the rows, between standing stones, so he doesn't
mow over them.
He did tell me something interesting. Seems this cemetery has had a number of
incidents over the years where stones are stolen from the graveyard, and
returned several days or weeks later. They often find stones outside the
gates, sometimes wrapped in newspapers. They believe locals are "borrowing"
the stones for some sort of satanic or witchcraft practices and then returning
them. I wasn't surprised about people stealing stones, but I was surprised to
hear of them returning them, wrapped in newspaper.
Have any of you heard of this sort of practice in your area?
Getting back to the Workshop, weather permitting, after the CCCPC meeting at
nearby Sellersburg Cemetery, I'm going back to Silver Creek on Saturday,
October 7th, to try again to clean a few of the stones we were working on
yesterday and to do whatever I can.
Jack Briles is planning a workday and rededication at Old St. Peters Cemetery
on Saturday, September 30th. Jack, what TIME Saturday? (I know the rain date
is 10/7/2000.)
Lois
=================
Cemetery Restoration Workshop on 9/23/2000:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc/workshop.html
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, October 7, 2000 at Sellersburg Library
http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc
Hi, The Corydon Democrat Newspaper (Corydon In.) ran a story on the impending
cleanup of the cleared Cemetery. I have in my possesion, signed permission
slips for the cleam up Sept. 30, rain date Oct.7. And Placing of the Memorial
Plaque and setting of the Childs Memorial Stone, Oct. 14th. The Priest has
agreed to be there and give his blessing and rededicate the Cemetery. The
stort was front page, but only the top 3 stories make their Web Page. Lois
Mauk said she will run it . Lon we still need help if you know of someone.
Terry I understand being in Washington St. prevents you from being here, but
we will keep you posted and if you can send the name of your Ancestor Buried
there, I will be probing over the hill for the Covered Stones. I may find
some trace.
Later, jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
Because of our hard work saving Sidney Cemetery in Port Orchard, WA, from
someone who wanted to build on it, the Bremerton Sun decided to do an
article on our association. It's in today's paper at
http://www.thesunlink.com/news/2000/september/0923cemeterycare.html
Andi
Historic Archaeological Research (HAR) personnel will cooperate with the Knox
County, Indiana Cemetery Commission to conduct non-invasive sub-surface
imaging of four 19th century cemeteries. The project is tentatively set to
commence during the last week of September. The dates for fieldwork
activities have not yet been established; however, updates will be posted on
the "What's New" web page at the HAR web site, URL below.
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Home: (765) 464-8095
http://www.har-indy.com
Once again, Washington state laws rule!!!!
Here in Washington, in order to be an "active" cemetery, you must be
actively burying from many, many years before and have a trust fund set up
for perpetual care.
In addition, if you want to bury in an "inactive" cemetery, you must
activate it first by placing $25,000 into a trust fund for perpetual care.
That alone is the main reason many of our old cemeteries are left as is.
No one can afford to "activate" them.
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951(a)jps.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:49 AM
Subject: [INPCRP] Re: Burial in a historical cemetery
> Good morning,
>
> I must apologize for my frustrated first response. I have over 20
> cemeteries in my county in California that have been used since 1849-1850
> with absolutely no records of burials, no plat maps, no nothing. Now we
> have "newbies" (I'm one of them) moving in because the county is
> overdeveloping and with graves costing $3000 in Sacramento and elsewhere,
> they're having a field day "staking" out their plots in the old,
> unsupervised cemeteries.
>
> In our studies here, we have found that only 1/3 of the graves in any
given
> pioneer, historic cemetery are marked with a grave stone. Identifying
> additional documented burials shows about 1/2 to 2/3's are unmarked. By
the
> time we add in all those who died somewhere and can't be found elsewhere
and
> weren't taken elsewhere, well you can understand why the question arises,
> who do you want to be buried on top of?
>
> The very best protection these "old", or historic or pioneer (choose your
> preference) cemeteries have to survive is in their historicity. Once
people
> start "re-using" them they lose that. As historic cemeteries, if one can
> prove some significance to the site or somewhere buried there, you might
be
> able to qualify it for State Historic Landmark or even get it places on
the
> National Register of Historic Places (depending on if it meets the
> criteria).
>
> We worked with a developer who's building a shopping center around one of
> our historic pioneer cemeteries, and the archaeologist he hired to
perform
> the site evaluation concluded it would qualifty for NRHP. Because of
it's
> historicity, and because of our state laws that provided for only certain
> reasons a cemetery may be relocated, we were able to help protect and
> preserve the cemetery.
>
> There are many dangers associated with digging or excavating in old grave
> yards. Some diseases may be contracted once their earthen covers are
> removed, arsenic was used to embalm, and other hazards may be
encountered.
> But primarily the major concern about new people wanting to use the old
> grave yards is that YOU don't know where ALL the bodies are buried. And
> unfortunately, there's no one left from the old days to tell us for sure.
>
> I think we should just post as "NO VACANCY" sign at the entrance to all
> historic cemeteries.
>
> Again, I apologize for my first response. Sometimes I just get tired of
> having to educate and re-educate others.
>
> Sue Silver
> El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission
> ssilver1951(a)jps.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sharon Earl <searl(a)ticz.com>
> To: Sue Silver <ssilver1951(a)jps.net>
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:53 AM
> Subject: Burial in a historical cemetery
>
>
> > Uh, how do you really feel about burial in a historic cemetery?
> >
> > Evidently I do not have your informed knowledge of historic cemteries.
> > I don't know if this cemtery even qualifies (legally) as a "historic"
> > cemtery. It's old. The people buried there are old. So. Is there a
> > special requirement that makes a cemtery no longer able to accept
> > "newcomers". I'm very ignorant to this issue (obviously if one were to
> > go by your response to my naive last wishes....).
> >
> > Searl
> >
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
>
Frank:
Many times your best (and possibly quickest) way to find this information out
is to contact the funeral home in the town nearest the cemetery. The funeral
directors, especially in small towns, know who takes care of these cemeteries
and how to contact them. In my town and in the town I work in the funeral
director is on the board of the cemetery association. Try www.funeralnet.com
for locating the local funeral homes. I found only one in Argos and two in
Albion.
Kyle D. Conrad
Thought you'd like to know we are expecting FIFTY paid attendees at Saturday's
workshop! Plus another dozen or so speakers, helpers, etc.
Keep your fingers crossed on the weather. I talked to my preacher this
evening and asked him to put in a good word for us with the Man Upstairs.
(Couldn't hurt, right?)
There are quite a few names on the list from the INPCRP and I'm looking
forward to seeing each of you who are coming down to the "Sunny Side of
Louisville"!
Jack Briles, John Walters and I will be meeting early Friday afternoon to go
to the cemetery to pick the stones we want to work on and do whatever prep
work we can do.
BTW, I went to Feeders Supply this afternoon and bought a gallon of Orvus
soap, which is highly recommended by several sources for washing tombstones.
I filled a half-dozen pint jars with Orvus "paste" (actually, it's more like
really thick Karo white syrup) and we'll be selling those for $4 a pint at the
Workshop in case any of you who are coming want to give this stuff a try
before you spent $23 a gallon for it. Since you only use 1 to 4 Tablespoons
to a gallon of water, a pint ought to last a little while.
Forgive me if I'm out of pocket for the next couple of days. I'll try to
catch up with everything on Sunday evening.
Lois
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> From: Gai-Linn Bartnick
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> To: "'fifthgenkempf(a)yahoo.com'"
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> Subject: Cemetery
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:57:46 -0500
>
> Dear Shanna Lane,
>
> My name is Gai-Linn Bartnick and I am a reporter
> from WRTV Channel 6
> news. I would like for you to call me at 269-1440
> or 269-1475 Ext. 225.
> I am curious to learn more about the cemetery story.
>
> If you could respond as soon as posible that would
> be great!
>
>
> Gai-Linn Bartnick
> WRTV 6 News
>>
There is aparently problems again at Fowler/Mundy Cemetery, in Perry Twp.
Marion Co. In. (According to a Neighbor) I can't get an answer to my
E-Mails. I hope they work it out. If anyone has any Information on this, let
me know - jb502000(a)aol.com
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> To: "'fifthgenkempf(a)yahoo.com'"
> <fifthgenkempf(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Cemetery
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:57:46 -0500
>
> Dear Shanna Lane,
>
> My name is Gai-Linn Bartnick and I am a reporter
> from WRTV Channel 6
> news. I would like for you to call me at 269-1440
> or 269-1475 Ext. 225.
> I am curious to learn more about the cemetery story.
>
> If you could respond as soon as posible that would
> be great!
>
>
> Gai-Linn Bartnick
> WRTV 6 News
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