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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:43:37 EDT
Subject: Work Day at Rose Hill Cemetery.
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The Monroe County Historical Society is having a 2nd work day at Rose Hill
Cemetery in Bloomington on Sat. 22nd Jul from 9:00am to 4:00pm. This is a
effort to repair damage done in the April 20th storm.
Progress has been made but there is much still to be done.
If you are available, please join us. Bring a friend and a shovel or rake.
David W Foster in Bloomington
812-339-8990
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Most of the volunteers will be from Marion and Johnson County and should
have no trouble in locating the cemetery which is about 1/2 mile west of
S.R. 37 on the Southside of W. Southport Road.
For those of you coming from farther away you will probably end up on I-465
which is the loop around Indianapolis. For those coming across I-74 or up
I-65 take I-465 West (Southside of Indianapolis) to the East Street/U.S. 31
Exit and go south on US 31. Continue to the 5th stoplight which if I have
counted correctly should be Southport Road. Turn right or West on Southport
Road and take it to State Road 37 (about 2 miles). Cross S.R. 37 and it is
about 1/2 mile on the south side of the road. It will be the clump of trees
you see with some new homes going up around it. Go on up to the entrance to
the development and (left turn) and just wind around to the trees. If you
get lost, call my cell phone. Sorry its long distance but the number is
206-321-2186.
Joe Kemper
Sharon
Thanks for your reply. I got in touch with Shelby County using
www.ingenweb.org/shelby/ and got the same location that you sent.
Thanks again for taking your time
Dave
I have a list of Shelby county cemeteries for the Indiana Genealogical
Society cemetery locations project. It shows a cemetery named Centre, or
Wray, or Old Union in Brandywine Township, Sec.34, T13-14N, R6E. It is at
the southeast intersection of CR100N and CR350W on Boggstown Road. There
is a transcription of this cemetery at the Shelby Co.-Shelbyville Public
Library. The library had a genealogy/historical librarian a few years ago,
so they may still have one. Try to find a website for Shelby county which
will probably give you an email address for the library. They might be
able to look up one name in one transcription for you.
Sharon Howell
-----Original Message-----
From: Kadyfoster(a)aol.com [SMTP:Kadyfoster@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 8:43 AM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [INPCRP] Shelby County IN Cemereries
Does anyone have a link to Shelby County, IN. I am trying to get the
location
of the Center Cemetery, looking for graves of Lillian A & W Frank Ewing.
Thank you
David W Foster
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
Hello,
My computer has been down for more than a week while waiting on a new
monitor,so I have not been able to recieve any messages,back on track now.
When filling a gap I use window putty to build a temporary dam,when the
stone has been joined back together and is laying flat,I wedge the putty
into the gap about a quarter inch thick,pushing it onto the wax paper under
the stone ,when you are finished with the face of the stone turn it over and
remove the putty and then bring your epoxy up to grade.
Modeling clay works well when building temporary dams.It is so difficult to
explain methods of repair without seeing the project.When a break has been
weathered it makes the repair more difficult but not impossible,good luck.
John Walters "Walt"
----- Original Message -----
From: L. A. CLUGH <CLUGH_LA(a)email.msn.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Tools,and Materials -Help
> Afternoon,
> I have several stones with 1 in gaps and pockets to fill in for repair.
> Should this be filled in with epoxy or mortar mix? One has old pins in it
> and even if I take them out, it will not go back together with the edge it
> has.
>
> And the next question, how do you keep it all in? Duct tape may not be
> enough with this size gap.
> I saw John using shims. But even this would not keep the mix in. I hate
> to loose 20.00 worth of epoxy.
>
> Lou Ann-Tippecanoe county
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
>
David,
This is not a link per se, but I can tell you that a reprinted Atlas of
Shelby Co, orig. 1880, shows all the Ewings in Addison and Brandywine twps.
No cemeteries shown.
Sharon Mills
At 09:42 AM 07/12/2000 EDT, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a link to Shelby County, IN. I am trying to get the
location
>of the Center Cemetery, looking for graves of Lillian A & W Frank Ewing.
>Thank you
>David W Foster
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer
>Cemeteries Restoration Project only.
>
>
>
Does anyone have a link to Shelby County, IN. I am trying to get the location
of the Center Cemetery, looking for graves of Lillian A & W Frank Ewing.
Thank you
David W Foster
Debbie
The reason I ask which cemetery is I thought maybe one of our readers might
have personal knowledge of that cemetery, its care/lack of care and etc.
Sorry that I don't, I cover Monroe County.
Dave
.
In a message dated 07/11/2000 7:37:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
mills(a)reliable-net.net writes:
<< I suggest you call the local Chamber of Commerce, library, township
trustee, or other individual who might know who is responsible for these
cemeteries. If this is a small community, call a business and ask. Or go
to the county's Genweb page, ask the coordinator, or place a query.
>>
Don't forget the local funeral director(s). In many small communities, they
sit on the cemetery board if the cemetery is operated by a private board of
trustees. Even if they don't, they are sure to know most of the intricate
details of who to contact and how...it's part of their business...
Kyle D. Conrad
I've added several interesting items to the INPCRP webpages that I thought you
might want to know about.
(1) Terry Mettling has provided (via our friend Lonnie Fink) photographs of
Old St. Peters Cemetery in Harrison Co., IN, which I have added to the webpage
at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/HallofShame/oldstpetecem.html
This is the site that Jack Briles has recently become involved in where the
priest in charge back in the 1960s had the cemetery bulldozed to make it
easier to mow. Jack has spent several days at the site, probing for busted
stones and monuments. To date he has recovered enough pieces to reconstruct a
single monument. More details and photos at the URL above.
(2) The Martinsville Reporter-Times has given us permission to include a PDF
file of yesterday's news story, "Protection of old cemeteries gets boost from
new Indiana law". That paper does not archive its web stories, so the story
was available on their site for only a single day. If you didn't read it
yesterday, you can read the PDF version at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pictures/2000-07-10-MARTINSVILLEREPORTER-...
-Protectionofcemeteries.PDF
(3) The Johnson Co. Daily Journal ran an extensive story Monday about the
clean-up planned for Fowler-Mundy Cemetery this coming Saturday. It's on-line
at:
http://www.thejournalnet.com/Main.asp?UID=85664&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=...
rticleID=14140
With #2 and #3 above, if you have trouble with the URLs listed, you can get
direct links to these stories on the INPCRP "In the News" page at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/inthenews.html
Lois
=================
Cemetery Restoration Workshop on 9/23/2000:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/workshop.html
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
David,
It's the Shiloh/Tabor/Brown Cemetery located about 1 8/10 miles SE of Story on
State Road 135. Why do you ask?
Debbie
Kadyfoster(a)aol.com wrote:
> Debbie
> Which cemetery?
> David
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England
> and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
Debbie,
I found a big shrub leaning over the gravestone of my grandparents in
Delaware Co IN. This large cemetery is almost always attended by a
caretaker. He needed only to establish that the next of kin of the
deceased, in this case my aunt who was with me, wanted the offending
vegetation gone.
An uncle had planted the shrub about 20 years ago, and he has been gone at
least ten years.
It took almost two months but it finally was gone. The caretaker actually
appreciated not having to mow around it any more. We could see that some
staining had already occurred on the stone.
This is a cemetery I visit several times a year, and I leave a check with
them about once a year for maintenance. I have tons of family there.
I suggest you call the local Chamber of Commerce, library, township
trustee, or other individual who might know who is responsible for these
cemeteries. If this is a small community, call a business and ask. Or go
to the county's Genweb page, ask the coordinator, or place a query.
Good luck!
Sharon Mills
At 08:10 PM 07/10/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>I am brand new to this mailing list. I signed on because I care deeply
>about preserving pioneer cemeteries in Indiana. I live in Texas, but my
>ancestors are from Brown, Jackson, and Lawrence counties in Indiana.
>Last fall, I visited the cemetery of some of my ancestors for the first
>time. I was amazed at the wonderful condition in which I found it. Only
>one thing disturbed me. Growing next to the stone of one ancestor was a
>huge pine tree. I am afraid that with time the tree will cause the
>headstone to topple over and break. I am also concerned about breaking
>the headstone with any attempt at removal of the tree. The cost of such
>a venture is unknown to me as well. Does anyone have any advice about
>this problem? One last question if I may - since I found the cemetery
>in such good condition (no underbrush or overgrowth) is it probable that
>some individual or organization is acting as a caretaker for the
>cemetery? How would I go about finding out who is caring for the
>cemetery?
>
>Debbie
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Please do not send queries through this list.
>
>
>
The cemetery legislation with an effective date of 7/1/2000, received some
publicity on the front page of our local paper, Reporter-Times, Martinsville,
Indiana, today (7/10/2000).
http://www.reporter-times.com/htdocs/news/index.html#anchor4574531
The above link will only be good for 24 hours or less. Unfortunately our local
paper doesn't archive material yet.
Sam
Debbie:
I would start with the Township Trustee. He/she may be caring for the site
or, in the alternative, may know who is.
Go to http://www.ai.org/sboa/html/roster/rosterindx.html
for a Roster of State and Local Officials in Indiana, which will lead you to a
list of Township Trustees for all 92 counties.
This information is in Adobe Acrobat PDF format, so you'll need the FREE Adobe
Acrobat READER, available at:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html
Re the removal of old-growth trees from inside a cemetery, this is NOT
generally a job for amateurs! It can be done, but will probably require the
services of a professional. It is also possible it will be necessary to
temporary remove the standing stones adjacent to the tree to prevent damage to
them. They can be reset following the removal of the tree.
You might want to consider contacting a bonded, insured tree removal company
in the area to get an estimate of what they would charge to do a job such as
this. Perhaps they would be willing to visit the site and get back to you
with a quote.
When you make contact with the Trustee, get back to us with his/her response.
Lois
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie Frick" <dfrick(a)flash.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 9:10 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Pine Tree Removal
> I am brand new to this mailing list. I signed on because I care deeply
> about preserving pioneer cemeteries in Indiana. I live in Texas, but my
> ancestors are from Brown, Jackson, and Lawrence counties in Indiana.
> Last fall, I visited the cemetery of some of my ancestors for the first
> time. I was amazed at the wonderful condition in which I found it. Only
> one thing disturbed me. Growing next to the stone of one ancestor was a
> huge pine tree. I am afraid that with time the tree will cause the
> headstone to topple over and break. I am also concerned about breaking
> the headstone with any attempt at removal of the tree. The cost of such
> a venture is unknown to me as well. Does anyone have any advice about
> this problem? One last question if I may - since I found the cemetery
> in such good condition (no underbrush or overgrowth) is it probable that
> some individual or organization is acting as a caretaker for the
> cemetery? How would I go about finding out who is caring for the
> cemetery?
>
> Debbie
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Please do not send queries through this list.
>
Just another and perhaps the final reminder that a clean-up day has been
scheduled for this coming Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 8:00 AM. The Cemetery
is located in Marion County, Perry Township, about 1/2 mile west of S.R. 37
on West South Port Road. It sits on the south side of the road and is in the
middle of the only clump of trees in the area. The following Saturday will
be the rain day if that should be required.
Many of you have already volunteered and everyone involved in this project
on this end looks forward to seeing all of you and learning from your
previous experiences. I am sure I don't need to tell you "veterans" what to
bring or how to dress, but it should be pointed out that it will probably be
very, very hot and humid. A couple of large tarps will be used for shade and
allow for any wind in the area to act as a breeze. It will be hot in the
work area as the overgrowth will diminish the majority of the wind. Wear
long pants, long sleeve shirts, hats, works shoes gloves, etc. Be prepared
for insects and poison ivy and oak. Make sure you drink plenty of water. Ice
and water is to be provided but not knowing how many volunteers will
actually show up, it wouldn't hurt to bring your own just in case.
Some work has already been done to make the entry into the cemetery area
much easier. More work is planned this week before the big day on Saturday.
Bill Mondary will be the work site foreman and will have some tools for
those that don't have any. This cemetery is only about a mile from several
stores in the event we need extra supplies that had not been anticipated in
advance.
As I become aware of other things that will be available, I will post that
information. Look forward to seeing all of you who can make on Saturday. Let
me know if you have any questions of suggestions.
Thanks again.
Joe
I dont recomend putting mortar or a cement mix in a wide break, without
drilling a small hole and inserting a Nylon Pin (or Brass)in 1 or both sides
just long enough for the cement to grip the pin(s) but not long enough to
touch the other piece, this may sound silly but experince tells me there are
diffirent expansion properties between the stone and the piece of cement and
the cement will fall out unless it has something to hold it during expansion
in very hot, or very cold weather. The Epoxy can be applied to the stone
and then assembled. After it sets then you may remoce your clamps or supports
and then fill the missing pieces with white or light colored cement, and when
it sets the small pins will hold it in place. I dont know the situation but
this is one solution. As far as removing the pins now in the stone? unless
you are very patient, or know how, I would shy away from this.
John Walters lives in
Fayette Co, Ind.
This is 1 of probably 10 ways to fix what I can't see.
Jack Briles, Clark Co. In.
I am brand new to this mailing list. I signed on because I care deeply
about preserving pioneer cemeteries in Indiana. I live in Texas, but my
ancestors are from Brown, Jackson, and Lawrence counties in Indiana.
Last fall, I visited the cemetery of some of my ancestors for the first
time. I was amazed at the wonderful condition in which I found it. Only
one thing disturbed me. Growing next to the stone of one ancestor was a
huge pine tree. I am afraid that with time the tree will cause the
headstone to topple over and break. I am also concerned about breaking
the headstone with any attempt at removal of the tree. The cost of such
a venture is unknown to me as well. Does anyone have any advice about
this problem? One last question if I may - since I found the cemetery
in such good condition (no underbrush or overgrowth) is it probable that
some individual or organization is acting as a caretaker for the
cemetery? How would I go about finding out who is caring for the
cemetery?
Debbie
I think the way to keep it in is to put boards on both sides and clamp
tightly together, assuming the stone was flat to start with. I don't
remember what they said to use. I would only use epoxy if there was a
small gap. Mortar is definitely cheaper. I do know, from repairing broken
steps to our back door, that you have to put a slurry of mortar on each
part before putting the regular strength stuff in the hole. Have you tried
to see if Franklin Co. has a web site? Then maybe you could ask John.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. A. CLUGH [SMTP:CLUGH_LA@email.msn.com]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:29 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Tools,and Materials -Help
Afternoon,
I have several stones with 1 in gaps and pockets to fill in for repair.
Should this be filled in with epoxy or mortar mix? One has old pins in it
and even if I take them out, it will not go back together with the edge it
has.
And the next question, how do you keep it all in? Duct tape may not be
enough with this size gap.
I saw John using shims. But even this would not keep the mix in. I hate
to loose 20.00 worth of epoxy.
Lou Ann-Tippecanoe county
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
Afternoon,
I have several stones with 1 in gaps and pockets to fill in for repair.
Should this be filled in with epoxy or mortar mix? One has old pins in it
and even if I take them out, it will not go back together with the edge it
has.
And the next question, how do you keep it all in? Duct tape may not be
enough with this size gap.
I saw John using shims. But even this would not keep the mix in. I hate
to loose 20.00 worth of epoxy.
Lou Ann-Tippecanoe county