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I don't know which one it would be. The info I got from the FGR's online
only say "Old Anderson Cemetery" in Marion County, IN.
This guy came out to California, fought in the Mexican War (pre-statehood),
settled in Diamond Springs, became a really prominent citizen there, and
with the IOOF organization. He died unexepectedly in Sacramento, was
shipped home to El Dorado County (1st county east of Sacramento), gets
buried next to one of his children, another later dies after him, and now
the entire family rests in oblivion in a county-owned public cemetery that
receives little or no maintenance or care. Further, he has at least one
child buried there that does not have a stone.
We have begged our county to fence the cemetery since we have evidence that
many early grave markers have been stolen over the years. Unless we sue the
county and ask the court to order them to fence it per STATE LAW, they won't
do it.
El Dorado County seceded from the Union during the Civil War. They really
think they're the "Kingdom of El Dorado" and don't have to follow state or
federal laws! Wish I had a rich sugar daddy somewhere that liked to see the
big fish in little ponds squirm....
But at least I can hope the rest of the Shearer family is reposing in peace.
Heck, they're in Indiana - home INPCRP - how could it get any better???
Thanks!
Sue Silver
California
----- Original Message -----
From: Geography Department <geogdept(a)iupui.edu>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Old Anderson Cemetery, Marion County
> If this is the cemetery that is on 10th Street on the east side of
Indianapolis right next to Pleasant Run, it is in pretty good shape. I go
by there every once in a while and
> it looks pretty good. But I think there may be more than one Anderson
Cemetery in Marion County.
> Joyce
>
> Sue Silver wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is anyone looking out for this cemetery or is it in pretty good
condition?
> >
> > The SHEARER family members that are buried there are the parents and
siblings of Michael Korns Shearer who is buried in our Diamond Springs
Cemetery in El Dorado County, CA.
> >
> > The world gets smaller and smaller....
> >
> > Sue Silver
> > ssilver1951(a)jps.net
> >
> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
England
> and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
>
If this is the cemetery that is on 10th Street on the east side of Indianapolis right next to Pleasant Run, it is in pretty good shape. I go by there every once in a while and
it looks pretty good. But I think there may be more than one Anderson Cemetery in Marion County.
Joyce
Sue Silver wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is anyone looking out for this cemetery or is it in pretty good condition?
>
> The SHEARER family members that are buried there are the parents and siblings of Michael Korns Shearer who is buried in our Diamond Springs Cemetery in El Dorado County, CA.
>
> The world gets smaller and smaller....
>
> Sue Silver
> ssilver1951(a)jps.net
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
Hi,
Is anyone looking out for this cemetery or is it in pretty good condition?
The SHEARER family members that are buried there are the parents and siblings of Michael Korns Shearer who is buried in our Diamond Springs Cemetery in El Dorado County, CA.
The world gets smaller and smaller....
Sue Silver
ssilver1951(a)jps.net
The Indiana Edition of the 11/18/2000 Louisville (KY) Courier-Journal features
a prominent story on a woman's quest to locate her family's burying ground.
See "Woman discovers ancestral graves; Historian seeks to mark graves of
African Americans" at:
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2000/0011/18/001118in_cem.html
Maybe we should post to each. That would insure a back up depository.
Art
----- Original Message -----
From: "CLUGH_LA" <CLUGH_LA(a)email.msn.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Interesting web site!
> Art and list, look again at http://www.findagrave.com
> Find a grave site is starting to grow also. It has a place for pictures
> too.
> I especially like the way Mr. Cheesman is putting the soldiers online.
> You can add a picture of the veteran or a tombstone picture.
>
> Maybe it is something we should focus on while we are making the visits to
> the cemeteries. Taking the Rev and CW stones. I even found one Spanish
war
> vet this year. Seems like the thing to do with all the vandalism.
>
> I know, wish we could take them all.
> L. A.
> Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you
have."
> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
>
>
Hi All
I had not seen this before but it seems like a good idea to me. I personally
refuse to post genealogy information to web sites because they always get
around to charging for my work and that bothers me but this is different.
Placing tombstone photos in a central archive seems like a good idea. If
this is redundant due to prior postings, I am sorry to be a bother. Please
take a look and let me know your thoughts!
http://www.genealogy.com/vcem_welcome.html
Art Dillman
Just testing the ISP problem we experienced over the weekend. No need to
reply.
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Home: (765) 464-8095
http://www.har-indy.com
Successful meeting in Dearborn will lead to a new volunteer committee...mean time we had three township trustees at the meeting. All said they could accept money gifts for specific cemeteries and would put the money in their cemetery funds, earmarked for the specific location. That should settle the question (I hope). Chris McHenry
Dear Friends:
I personally have NO objection to the INPCRP being incorporated as a
not-for-profit entity, if that's what is best for the "cause". I don't,
however, have the time to pursue this myself.
I have always envisioned the INPCRP as being a networking medium for the
people on very local levels who are dealing with the crisis concerning saving
and protecting Indiana's pioneer family cemeteries, not as an entity in and of
itself. I don't know if this comports with what Scott had in mind when he
created the group, but that's my feeling for it. I think of us as a "virtual
organization" which allows like-minded individuals to communicate and
commisserate with one another about our successes and set-backs. It's an
opportunity for us to share what we've learned through trial and error and to
facilitate spreading the word about the plight of Indiana's pioneer
cemeteries.
The fact that we have, in the past, banded together to speak in unison seemed
to me to be a big bonus of this networking. I'm thinking of the Petition we
did a couple of years ago, testifying before the House and Senate, etc.;
attending one another's Workshops; and so forth.
There have ALWAYS been one or two individuals on very local levels who were
concerned about this cemetery or that graveyard. Before the Internet, they
worked pretty much in isolation. There was not much opportunity to
communicate with others who shared their passion and commitment. Because of
the advent of the Internet, instantaneous e-mail communication and Scott's
foresight in creating the INPCRP, we can now band together to some degree to
talk about issues and situations that affect us all to lesser and greater
degrees.
The INPCRP, as an entity, can't take on specific restoration projects, but the
men and women who live in and near the community in question certainly can.
I have always presumed that the best way to deal with the "money thing" with
respect to donations toward specific projects was for the person or people
doing the real work to accept donations from interested persons to offset the
expenses of the project. That keeps it "local", puts the cash of the hands of
the person who needs it to buy materials and eliminates the need for a lot of
bookkeeping and reporting of donated income.
For instance, the Workshop we did down here on 9/23/2000 was sponsored by the
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee and the Silver Creek Cemeterial
Association. All of the net proceeds of that event went directly to the
Silver Creek Cemeterial Association. The SCCA Treasurer handled all of the
registration monies and paid all of the expenses out of gross receipts. That
Association just had its 126th Annual Meeting; they already had the
infrastructure in place (tax-deductible status, checking account, Treasurer,
etc.) to handle the money. I didn't have to touch a penny of it. I donated
hundreds of hours of my time organizing the event, writing the booklet, etc.
In the spring, the money raised will be used to repair some of the larger
monuments that need to be righted or straightened or reinforced. Hopefully we
will be able to solicit additional donations to make more of these repairs
possible. The cemetery will hopefully be in better shape as a result of those
efforts. I don't think we could ask for much more in this situation.
But maybe it is time to take the next big step and create a literal INPCRP
organization. I don't know the answer. I do think it would be in our mutual
best interest to at least consider the pros and cons of the idea.
We need to keep in mind that there is a LOT more to it than just filing
Articles of Incorporation. There are fees involved ($30 to file the Articles,
$150 to apply for 501(c)(3) status with IRS, $10 for filing of the Annual
Report with the State, etc.) Then there are Articles and Bylaws that have to
be drafted; elections have to be held and officers installed; meetings have to
be held; tax returns have to be filed; Annual Reports have to be filed; and so
on and so forth. Further, we will have to collect "dues" of some form to
finance these administrative costs and somebody will have to be responsible
for the handling of this money.
To tell the simple, God's honest truth, I just don't have the time or energy
to take on anything more. I have recurring weekly and special
responsibilities to my church. My husband is entitled to at least a modicum
of my time. My job is very demanding with respect to my time and my sanity (I
deal with divorce clients ALL DAY LONG and sometimes well into the night). I
have other projects that I've started that I need to address. My house is a
disaster area and I'm getting just too darned old to get by on 4 hours sleep
any longer.
Does anybody want to take on the task of fully investigating what would be
involved in considering this? I'm talking about filing/application fees,
attorney fees, establishing and maintaining a bank account, financial
management, tax returns that have to be filed, limitations on what we can and
cannot do, actions we must take, etc.
Then we can discuss it further.
Lois
I'm not sure about tax exempt status, but be sure to give the government
entity (ie. Township Trustee) heads up before sending money as they may have
to do some budget adjustments to properly account for the money. Some may
not even want to mess with it. I do know that our County Cemetery Commission
(which is still in the approval process) has a clause in the county ordinance
that they may accept private donations and apply for grants to obtain funding.
Kyle D. Conrad
Just talked to Marilyn Jeffries - Trustee of Caesar Creek twp Dearborn
County,
Indiana. She can and does accept donations for her work on Coles Chapel
Cemetery. My 4 gt. grandfather Eleazer Cole III started the cemetery.
Another
4 gr Grandfathe Thomas Kelsey is the Revolutionary Soldier mentioned in the
article. If the ones of us that live out of state help with this work with
a little
money think what can be done. I live in Dodge City, Ks. and can't make a
trip to Indiana that often and had really been concerned because of stories
I had heard about the condition of the Cemetery.
Now to get Brown twp, Ripley county to work on some of their cemeteries.
Barb
IF a formal organization is "organized", you will need to be concerned
with the requirements of:
Indiana Secretary of State
See Non-Profit Organization on the following web page:--
http://www.state.in.us/sos/bus_service/corps/guide.html
Indiana Department of Revenue
See Non-Profit Entities on this page:--
http://www.state.in.us/sic/owners/ia.html
Sam Cline
Hoosier Web
http://www.hoosierweb.org/
The candle light will always be gleaming through the sycamores.
The latch string is always out.
Art,
Sounds like a reasonable and beneficial concept. If there is an effort to
become fully organized, we would be interested in offering resources to this
end.
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Home: (765) 464-8095
http://www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Dillman" <dillmaca(a)hotmail.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 8:59 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Some Personal Thoughts!
> To all my "Friends" at INPCRP, some personal thoughts!
>
> All of the issues we have discussed about probing, the legal issues
> pertaining to probing, and digging up buried stones, along with all the
> other activities we direct towards the restoration of a Pioneer cemetery
> have stirred me to post my personal thoughts. Please remember as you read
> these that I am basically pro DNR, and all that they are asked to do for us,
> not just in cemeteries.
>
> Our society tasks the DNR to do many different things that pull them many
> different ways all at once. Among those tasks is to spend countless hours
> trying to eradicate the growing of pot in rural areas. A job they can never
> get done and, in my humble opinion, a terrible waste of time. Heck, even at
> my ripe old age of 62, I could likely buy pot anywhere in Indiana at any
> time! Just think how many cemeteries we could restore with all of that
> wasted money! I could go on and on, but that is not my reason for writing!
>
> If we would propose a way the DNR could feel confident that the majority of
> the time the work we do is proper, professional, and worthwhile, they would
> be happy to stay at arms length. By that I mean, lower the costs and
> concerns to them while getting the job done. I believe that we have reached
> the stage that we carry the weight of morality, common sense, and purpose on
> our side. We can now take the next step that would go along way towards
> resolving any issues that might come to the fore! Here is how I thing we
> could do that:
>
> 1. At the meeting in Clarksville a discussion was held on formalizing our
> group. Lois pointed out that her original concern was related to the ability
> to act as an advocate for change, i.e., lobby for legal protection, etc.
> There were at least a couple of people at the meeting that stated there was
> a way to formalize our group that would allow us to act as advocates. That
> approach should be taken as soon as possible. Having taken that "BIG" step
> would then allow us to set up formal guidelines, obtain protection from the
> legal system, and act as a force in our communities for change.
>
> 2. After completing the "BIG" step, we could then set up a process to
> certify our members and groups to perform certain functions involved in the
> restoration process. That is a member could seek certification to repair
> broken tombstones, attend classes set up to teach the process, be tested in
> the techniques, and carry the respect of his/her community attendant to the
> process.
>
> 3. The "BIG" step would also allow us to seek funding through grants, even
> through the DNR, to restore our Pioneer Cemeteries in a professional manner.
> Thereby, allowing us to even hire professionals when needed to act as
> supervisors, recorders, and restorers. Even going as far as obtaining
> archeological support!
>
> 4. Then, and only then, will the DNR view us as a partner that will be
> reducing their headaches, reducing their costs, and improving their image!
>
> I SAY IT IS TIME TO SET UP THAT PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT WILL LAST FAR
> BEYOND OURSELVES, AND PRESERVE OUR PIONEER CEMETERIES FOREVER! If that means
> incorporation, or whatever, then let us do it now!
>
> Thanks for listening and I welcome all with their input.
>
> Art Dillman
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
>
I'm having trouble replying to a message from Barb Boese about the
Cole's Chapel cemetery in Dearborn County, IN and it occurs to me maybe
someone on this list can help answer her question. She wanted to know
about gifts to support specific cemeteries maintained by townships. In
this case the cemetery was formally deeded to the township. I asked a
township trustee and he did not know whether there is a mechanism for
him to accept such gifts. Does anyone know? Chris McHenry
Check out this website. We finally got some publicity. Hopefully it will
help bring more people to our meeting tomorrow.
http://www.journalpressonline.com
Chris mcHenry
Hello all,
I'm in Washington and I'm sure our state laws are different than yours for
incorporating. However, the Federal law is the same and I'll share what I
found out when applying for 501(c)3 (Federal Tax-Exempt Status). One of
the biggest things the 501(c)3 status requires is less than 5% of your time
may be spent working on laws or lobbying. I don't think that suits your
group from being a participant since your inception. Most of what you have
done--at least Lois--is to work on the state laws. Perhaps if you are done
working on the laws of the state--changing or effecting them--then you
could apply for 501(c)3 (preserving cemeteries and educating the public
about them).
While our nonprofit status is being approved (we hope; IRS is behind in
their work) for preserving cemeteries and educating the public about them,
we do also work on laws. The key is that we spent less than 5% of our time
on laws.
The phone number to call to find out more is 1-877-829-5500. That's the
IRS Non-Profit Questions line.
Andi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Dillman" <dillmaca(a)hotmail.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:59 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Some Personal Thoughts!
> To all my "Friends" at INPCRP, some personal thoughts!
>
> All of the issues we have discussed about probing, the legal issues
> pertaining to probing, and digging up buried stones, along with all the
> other activities we direct towards the restoration of a Pioneer cemetery
> have stirred me to post my personal thoughts. Please remember as you read
> these that I am basically pro DNR, and all that they are asked to do for
us,
> not just in cemeteries.
>
> Our society tasks the DNR to do many different things that pull them many
> different ways all at once. Among those tasks is to spend countless hours
> trying to eradicate the growing of pot in rural areas. A job they can
never
> get done and, in my humble opinion, a terrible waste of time. Heck, even
at
> my ripe old age of 62, I could likely buy pot anywhere in Indiana at any
> time! Just think how many cemeteries we could restore with all of that
> wasted money! I could go on and on, but that is not my reason for
writing!
>
> If we would propose a way the DNR could feel confident that the majority
of
> the time the work we do is proper, professional, and worthwhile, they
would
> be happy to stay at arms length. By that I mean, lower the costs and
> concerns to them while getting the job done. I believe that we have
reached
> the stage that we carry the weight of morality, common sense, and purpose
on
> our side. We can now take the next step that would go along way towards
> resolving any issues that might come to the fore! Here is how I thing we
> could do that:
>
> 1. At the meeting in Clarksville a discussion was held on formalizing our
> group. Lois pointed out that her original concern was related to the
ability
> to act as an advocate for change, i.e., lobby for legal protection, etc.
> There were at least a couple of people at the meeting that stated there
was
> a way to formalize our group that would allow us to act as advocates.
That
> approach should be taken as soon as possible. Having taken that "BIG"
step
> would then allow us to set up formal guidelines, obtain protection from
the
> legal system, and act as a force in our communities for change.
>
> 2. After completing the "BIG" step, we could then set up a process to
> certify our members and groups to perform certain functions involved in
the
> restoration process. That is a member could seek certification to repair
> broken tombstones, attend classes set up to teach the process, be tested
in
> the techniques, and carry the respect of his/her community attendant to
the
> process.
>
> 3. The "BIG" step would also allow us to seek funding through grants,
even
> through the DNR, to restore our Pioneer Cemeteries in a professional
manner.
> Thereby, allowing us to even hire professionals when needed to act as
> supervisors, recorders, and restorers. Even going as far as obtaining
> archeological support!
>
> 4. Then, and only then, will the DNR view us as a partner that will be
> reducing their headaches, reducing their costs, and improving their
image!
>
> I SAY IT IS TIME TO SET UP THAT PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT WILL LAST
FAR
> BEYOND OURSELVES, AND PRESERVE OUR PIONEER CEMETERIES FOREVER! If that
means
> incorporation, or whatever, then let us do it now!
>
> Thanks for listening and I welcome all with their input.
>
> Art Dillman
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
Art, are you sure it wont be dry enough. I was planing on driving up anyhow
and video Tape the cemetery in its present state. I have nothing else to do
Sat. my wife is busy with Girl Scouting this weekend. I have to do something.
If it is muddy I will walk in, unless it is over a mile. I lost the
directions as to where, after I get there as to exactly where it is. I
changed to my New Computer, and lost some Information. Mabey you could resend
the local directions, I remember the pallet factory but that is all. Also
Would I need to contact the property owner?
Thanks, Jack Briles
jb502000(a)aol.com
Folks
It looks as though we should postpone our work for this weekend. We have had
rain off and on since Monday, but it really got serious yesterday and today.
I don't see any reason to work in the mud, especially in this cemetery. We
should still get some more good weather this month so let's plan another
day.
Many Thanks to all who planned to help. I really appreciate your support and
I hope that when we can re-schedule, you will still be able to help.
Art Dillman
To all my "Friends" at INPCRP, some personal thoughts!
All of the issues we have discussed about probing, the legal issues
pertaining to probing, and digging up buried stones, along with all the
other activities we direct towards the restoration of a Pioneer cemetery
have stirred me to post my personal thoughts. Please remember as you read
these that I am basically pro DNR, and all that they are asked to do for us,
not just in cemeteries.
Our society tasks the DNR to do many different things that pull them many
different ways all at once. Among those tasks is to spend countless hours
trying to eradicate the growing of pot in rural areas. A job they can never
get done and, in my humble opinion, a terrible waste of time. Heck, even at
my ripe old age of 62, I could likely buy pot anywhere in Indiana at any
time! Just think how many cemeteries we could restore with all of that
wasted money! I could go on and on, but that is not my reason for writing!
If we would propose a way the DNR could feel confident that the majority of
the time the work we do is proper, professional, and worthwhile, they would
be happy to stay at arms length. By that I mean, lower the costs and
concerns to them while getting the job done. I believe that we have reached
the stage that we carry the weight of morality, common sense, and purpose on
our side. We can now take the next step that would go along way towards
resolving any issues that might come to the fore! Here is how I thing we
could do that:
1. At the meeting in Clarksville a discussion was held on formalizing our
group. Lois pointed out that her original concern was related to the ability
to act as an advocate for change, i.e., lobby for legal protection, etc.
There were at least a couple of people at the meeting that stated there was
a way to formalize our group that would allow us to act as advocates. That
approach should be taken as soon as possible. Having taken that "BIG" step
would then allow us to set up formal guidelines, obtain protection from the
legal system, and act as a force in our communities for change.
2. After completing the "BIG" step, we could then set up a process to
certify our members and groups to perform certain functions involved in the
restoration process. That is a member could seek certification to repair
broken tombstones, attend classes set up to teach the process, be tested in
the techniques, and carry the respect of his/her community attendant to the
process.
3. The "BIG" step would also allow us to seek funding through grants, even
through the DNR, to restore our Pioneer Cemeteries in a professional manner.
Thereby, allowing us to even hire professionals when needed to act as
supervisors, recorders, and restorers. Even going as far as obtaining
archeological support!
4. Then, and only then, will the DNR view us as a partner that will be
reducing their headaches, reducing their costs, and improving their image!
I SAY IT IS TIME TO SET UP THAT PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT WILL LAST FAR
BEYOND OURSELVES, AND PRESERVE OUR PIONEER CEMETERIES FOREVER! If that means
incorporation, or whatever, then let us do it now!
Thanks for listening and I welcome all with their input.
Art Dillman