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In a message dated 10/18/00 2:47:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scarlett_67_31(a)yahoo.com writes:
<< Cemetery(Explanation)
Date: 10/18/00 2:47:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: scarlett_67_31(a)yahoo.com (P.D. Ward)
Reply-to: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com >>
Penny, If I get a responce from people out there, I know there are others
that want to preserve our past, and our History. As long as we have this,
whatever preservation we have done, and will do is not in vane. It is kind
of ironic that a lot of cemetery restoration is by people that have no close
connection to those buried there, but can not stand by and watch a forgotten
cemetery disapear forever. We must be careful and not develope into a non
caring civilization that allows relics of our past to disintergrate to the
point at which they have no meaning to anyone, and can not be brought back.
Everyone can not participate in the actual cleaning, but they can gather
information, and help cordinate the officals and those doing the actual work.
Even the smallest bit of assistance is helpful to the overall project, and
all should have a good feeling when finished. Thanks for your responce,
jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
Carol:
The Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War is wishing to catalogue all
graves of Union Soldiers wherever they are buried as well as all monuments to
their memory. Both the graves and the town monument would be appreciated in
your case. More information can be obtained on the Sons' web site.
www.suvcw.org.
Kyle D. Conrad, member
Ben Harrison Camp, SUVCW
In a message dated 9/27/00 9:45:07 PM Central Daylight Time, KidClerk(a)aol.com
writes:
<< The SUVCW is also trying to locate and catalogue all
Civial War monuments and cannon throughout the US. >>
If this would include hospitals/"rest homes" for ailing Union Soldiers, I
have information on the Mother Bickerdyke facility at Ellsworth, Kansas. It
was begun as the U.S. began closing the military forts that had been used for
protection of settlers and traders from the Indians, ca. 1880. As a result of
the number of old soldiers who died there, a large Civil War monument was
erected in the town cemetery to honor the dead. Would this home also be
included as needed information?
Carol Kline Bradbury
(Morgan County descendant of Fowler, Glass, Staley, Brown, Wilhite, etc.)
Sue,
I have a Noe family plot (unmarked) at El Dorado Cemetery. Any California
family you're missing?
Sue Silver
----- Original Message -----
From: c_snoe(a)msn.com <c_snoe(a)email.msn.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: [INPCRP] Zenor Cem. Clay Co.
> I'm just an observer to this latest dialog here...and I just wonder Ms.
> Silver if you have ever been to Indiana ?? It really isn't at all like
> California... I was born in Grant Co., In, but lived over 20 years in San
> Diego so have some idea of the comparison....or lack of. There just isn't
> any frame of reference here. Just be happy that there are people wanting
to
> preserve the past at all. I do feel sorry about the family who was sold a
> bogus plot...can't they bury one on top of the other, instead of side by
> side?? I have been hunting for a cemetery where my gg father is buried for
> years and I may never find him, [somewhere around Tipton or at least that
> seems to be where the family thinks he died somewhere around 1900.] So see
> how frustrating that can be if things arn't cleaned up. My father loved
him
> so, and went to his own grave sad that he could not find him. He had gone
> all over Indiana putting new headstones on all the members of the family
> that either did not have one for lack of money or whatever, at the time,
and
> replaced all those that were fragile and needed repair. It took him years,
> but he was happy to at least do that little bit. Congratulate Art..don't
> discourage him...he sounds like an ok guy to me.
>
> Sue Noe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
England
> and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
>
I'm just an observer to this latest dialog here...and I just wonder Ms.
Silver if you have ever been to Indiana ?? It really isn't at all like
California... I was born in Grant Co., In, but lived over 20 years in San
Diego so have some idea of the comparison....or lack of. There just isn't
any frame of reference here. Just be happy that there are people wanting to
preserve the past at all. I do feel sorry about the family who was sold a
bogus plot...can't they bury one on top of the other, instead of side by
side?? I have been hunting for a cemetery where my gg father is buried for
years and I may never find him, [somewhere around Tipton or at least that
seems to be where the family thinks he died somewhere around 1900.] So see
how frustrating that can be if things arn't cleaned up. My father loved him
so, and went to his own grave sad that he could not find him. He had gone
all over Indiana putting new headstones on all the members of the family
that either did not have one for lack of money or whatever, at the time, and
replaced all those that were fragile and needed repair. It took him years,
but he was happy to at least do that little bit. Congratulate Art..don't
discourage him...he sounds like an ok guy to me.
Sue Noe
Sue
No apologies necessary, ever, especially for the work you have done. Its OK
to be concerned. I wasn't offended, just being my ornery old self! (-:
Shoot, its hard to get anyone interested in mowing grass in current
cemeteries, let alone one abandoned for a 100 years.
Keep up the good work!
Art
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951(a)jps.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
> Art,
>
> You can imagine my horror after all the problems we've had in California.
> Boy Scouts and 4H Clubs with all the best of intentions sweep through
ground
> clean up at the old cemeteries and move the rock markers because they
don't
> want anyone to trip over them. The thought of a tractor, backhoe or
bucket
> grading through a cemetery sends chills down my spine.
>
> As for continuing burials in old cemeteries, I will tell you all that this
> week I had to deny the burial of a woman next to her husband who died in
> 1991. The former sexton sold them two plots adjacent to a marker with 7
> names on it. By the time the grave digger (by hand) had gotten down 2 1/2
> feet, it was clear this grave had been dug in before. Can you imagine
> having to tell a family mom can't be buried next to dad the day before the
> funeral?
>
> Now I find myself in the precarious position of having to exhume dad and
> relocate him to the spot selected for mom. Luckily we had done GPR on an
> "open" section in 1998. Didn't even have pre-solds in that area. Just
> wanted to see what was there. Luckily, the ground was cleared through the
> GPR survey.
>
> Forgive me if I offended. We have over 250 cemeteries in our county, many
> of which have already been bulldozed and built over. The majority of the
> members in my organization are between 60 and 85 yrs old. I am the
> youngest. And they're worth a whole lot more than me!
>
> Hope you'll accept the apology, Art. I do understand about being his
guest.
> It's unfortunate that Indiana didn't pass a law like California did in
1854
> and codified in 1872, where at least we can allege public title to some of
> our cemeteries. They don't listen to us unless we sue, but we're getting
to
> that point also.
>
> Sue Silver
>
> P.S. Jack Briles gave you a really good defense! Wish I had him on my
> side!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Art Dillman <dee(a)ccrtc.com>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
>
>
> > Hi Sue
> >
> > I do understand your concern regarding the heavy equipment. May I make a
> few
> > observations in this case and for others that may have read your
comments?
> >
> > First, I was a guest on this man's property. He made the offer and it
was
> a
> > sincere offer to help. I had driven through his construction business in
> > order to get to the cemetery. I had also visited him last week while he
> had
> > several of his crew at work as well as himself in clearing away the
> remains
> > of a recent job. He builds steel buildings for home and farm. I already
> knew
> > that he had driven a bulldozer over the perimeter last year pushing
trees
> > off to the side of the cemetery. I repeat, I was a guest on his property
> and
> > as such, he could do anything he wanted with that cemetery whatever I
> > thought or said! I also knew that he was the third member of his family
to
> > own the land and that he did care about the cemetery. He is a good man!
> His
> > family is related to some of the surnames buried in the cemetery and I
> > welcome his assistance in any way I can get it.
> >
> > Also, you should consider that there was just myself, a 62 year old man,
> my
> > wife 59, and our oldest son 38, trying to do our best to restore this
old
> > cemetery. The landowner related to me that a few years back someone had
> > entered the cemetery and had pushed over all of the stones that were of
> two
> > or more pieces. There are several laying flat on the ground today with
> > pieces weighing more than 500 pounds each. I hope I can get Mr. Swalley
to
> > come back with his equipment to help us set them back in place, for if
he
> > doesn't, it won't get done at all. I am not able to lift them, and my
112
> > pound wife sure can't be of much help. I will pour new bases and I will
> sure
> > ask Mr. Swalley to bring his back hoe to set them in place. He made an
> offer
> > of straps to place around them to protect them from harm. I sure intend
to
> > accept his offer!
> >
> > Also, this cemetery is very small with a large cleared area around all
> > sides, thanks to Mr. Swale's bulldozer, that allowed him to drive around
> the
> > cemetery to reach a particular area without crossing many graves. But in
> any
> > case, its his land and I will keep my mouth closed on the subject.
Before
> he
> > left today, he told me about two more old cemeteries that are abandoned
> > nearby, gave me the names and phone numbers to contact for permission to
> > enter their land, and offered to speak to them on our behalf. I repeat,
I
> > will keep my mouth shut on the issue, wouldn't you?
> >
> > Just as an aside! All cemeteries in this area today use back hoes to dig
> new
> > graves. Last fall when my sister passed away in Southern Indiana, she
and
> > her husband had burial plots in an old family plot area in a very large
> > cemetery. My Third G-Grandfather Thomas Stroud is buried nearby and he
> > passed away in 1852. Next to their plots were graves more than 100 years
> > old. I went over there with her husband, since deceased as well, because
> the
> > cemetery was having trouble getting a grave dug for my sister. The back
> hoe
> > had hit solid limestone. Finally the decision was made to blast. They
> fired
> > three dynamite charges to get an area large enough to place the coffin
> into.
> > Wonder what those old folks thought about that!
> >
> > Sorry to preach! I thought you should know what its all about here
before
> > you go too far. The soil and the circumstances here are different than
> what
> > you are accustomed to out West. No sand anywhere! Just clay and
limestone
> > down more than 2 or 3 feet. Heck, you should try to dig a posthole in my
> > back yard, and I have really good ground by Indiana standards! (-:
> >
> > I do thank you for caring. I have read about all of your efforts and I
> wish
> > you all the best.
> >
> > Warmest Regards
> >
> > Art Dillman
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951(a)jps.net>
> > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
> >
> >
> > > I just can't imagine that anyone would take heavy equipment into a
> > cemetery
> > > until it has been thoroughly reviewed and cleaned up manually so as to
> not
> > > disturb any surface evidence of potential graves. One needs to
remember
> > > that trees love grave holes because they act as cisterns for their
root
> > > systems. Any time you have a tree or a stump that exhibits unusual
> growth
> > > in an unirrigated location, you can almost bet there is a grave close
> by.
> > >
> > > Please don't take heavy equipment into an historic cemetery. You are
> > > certain to do more damage than good.
> > >
> > > Sue Silver
> > > El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission
> > > Sexton, El Dorado Cemetery (est. ca. 1848-49)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Art Dillman <dillmaca(a)hotmail.com>
> > > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:29 AM
> > > Subject: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi List
> > > >
> > > > Just a note to tell you about starting a restoration of a small
> cemetery
> > > in
> > > > Clay Co, IN called the Zenor Cemetery. This cemetery has the
following
> > > > marked surnames noted after our quick scan: Zenor, Orman, Houk,
> Staley,
> > > and
> > > > Huffman. There are two Civil War markers among the approximately 30
> > > graves.
> > > > We went in early this AM after stopping by earlier this week to
scope
> > out
> > > > the job. The landowner, Mr. Jay Swalley, has run his bushhog over
the
> > area
> > > > twice this year so things weren't too bad. Just up next to the
stones.
> > > > Clearing around them was an easy mornings work. Mr. Swalley came by
> with
> > > his
> > > > backhoe and pulled up two old stumps on the edge of the entrance so
> that
> > > we
> > > > can come and go easier. Really nice man. Jay has offered any
equipment
> > we
> > > > need. He owns a contracting business so has about any type of heavy
> > > > equipment we would need but this cemetery needs a lot of stone
repair.
> > We
> > > > have about a dozen slab type stones broken in pieces, Several
uprooted
> > and
> > > > laying on the ground that will need reseating, and many that need
> > > cleaning.
> > > > We did not go prepared to do that portion this weekend so will work
on
> > > that
> > > > later next week. This is one of the most beautiful cemetery
locations
> I
> > > have
> > > > ever seen in Indiana. Its located on a very high hill overlooking a
> long
> > > > valley to the south. It is easily a 100 feet above the valley floor
so
> > the
> > > > view is really something today with the color in the trees and the
> clear
> > > > blue skies. Now that is a side benefit of working on these old
> > cemeteries.
> > > > We will map the area next week and post the identified graves. For
> many
> > of
> > > > you in Southern Indiana, there is another cemetery nearby named the
> Funk
> > > > Cemetery. I know there at Funk family members subscribed to this
list
> so
> > I
> > > > thought I would pass it on. The Funk Cemetery is also in need of a
lot
> > of
> > > > work.
> > > >
> > > > Art Dillman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > > > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
> > LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.
>
>
Art,
You can imagine my horror after all the problems we've had in California.
Boy Scouts and 4H Clubs with all the best of intentions sweep through ground
clean up at the old cemeteries and move the rock markers because they don't
want anyone to trip over them. The thought of a tractor, backhoe or bucket
grading through a cemetery sends chills down my spine.
As for continuing burials in old cemeteries, I will tell you all that this
week I had to deny the burial of a woman next to her husband who died in
1991. The former sexton sold them two plots adjacent to a marker with 7
names on it. By the time the grave digger (by hand) had gotten down 2 1/2
feet, it was clear this grave had been dug in before. Can you imagine
having to tell a family mom can't be buried next to dad the day before the
funeral?
Now I find myself in the precarious position of having to exhume dad and
relocate him to the spot selected for mom. Luckily we had done GPR on an
"open" section in 1998. Didn't even have pre-solds in that area. Just
wanted to see what was there. Luckily, the ground was cleared through the
GPR survey.
Forgive me if I offended. We have over 250 cemeteries in our county, many
of which have already been bulldozed and built over. The majority of the
members in my organization are between 60 and 85 yrs old. I am the
youngest. And they're worth a whole lot more than me!
Hope you'll accept the apology, Art. I do understand about being his guest.
It's unfortunate that Indiana didn't pass a law like California did in 1854
and codified in 1872, where at least we can allege public title to some of
our cemeteries. They don't listen to us unless we sue, but we're getting to
that point also.
Sue Silver
P.S. Jack Briles gave you a really good defense! Wish I had him on my
side!
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Dillman <dee(a)ccrtc.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
> Hi Sue
>
> I do understand your concern regarding the heavy equipment. May I make a
few
> observations in this case and for others that may have read your comments?
>
> First, I was a guest on this man's property. He made the offer and it was
a
> sincere offer to help. I had driven through his construction business in
> order to get to the cemetery. I had also visited him last week while he
had
> several of his crew at work as well as himself in clearing away the
remains
> of a recent job. He builds steel buildings for home and farm. I already
knew
> that he had driven a bulldozer over the perimeter last year pushing trees
> off to the side of the cemetery. I repeat, I was a guest on his property
and
> as such, he could do anything he wanted with that cemetery whatever I
> thought or said! I also knew that he was the third member of his family to
> own the land and that he did care about the cemetery. He is a good man!
His
> family is related to some of the surnames buried in the cemetery and I
> welcome his assistance in any way I can get it.
>
> Also, you should consider that there was just myself, a 62 year old man,
my
> wife 59, and our oldest son 38, trying to do our best to restore this old
> cemetery. The landowner related to me that a few years back someone had
> entered the cemetery and had pushed over all of the stones that were of
two
> or more pieces. There are several laying flat on the ground today with
> pieces weighing more than 500 pounds each. I hope I can get Mr. Swalley to
> come back with his equipment to help us set them back in place, for if he
> doesn't, it won't get done at all. I am not able to lift them, and my 112
> pound wife sure can't be of much help. I will pour new bases and I will
sure
> ask Mr. Swalley to bring his back hoe to set them in place. He made an
offer
> of straps to place around them to protect them from harm. I sure intend to
> accept his offer!
>
> Also, this cemetery is very small with a large cleared area around all
> sides, thanks to Mr. Swale's bulldozer, that allowed him to drive around
the
> cemetery to reach a particular area without crossing many graves. But in
any
> case, its his land and I will keep my mouth closed on the subject. Before
he
> left today, he told me about two more old cemeteries that are abandoned
> nearby, gave me the names and phone numbers to contact for permission to
> enter their land, and offered to speak to them on our behalf. I repeat, I
> will keep my mouth shut on the issue, wouldn't you?
>
> Just as an aside! All cemeteries in this area today use back hoes to dig
new
> graves. Last fall when my sister passed away in Southern Indiana, she and
> her husband had burial plots in an old family plot area in a very large
> cemetery. My Third G-Grandfather Thomas Stroud is buried nearby and he
> passed away in 1852. Next to their plots were graves more than 100 years
> old. I went over there with her husband, since deceased as well, because
the
> cemetery was having trouble getting a grave dug for my sister. The back
hoe
> had hit solid limestone. Finally the decision was made to blast. They
fired
> three dynamite charges to get an area large enough to place the coffin
into.
> Wonder what those old folks thought about that!
>
> Sorry to preach! I thought you should know what its all about here before
> you go too far. The soil and the circumstances here are different than
what
> you are accustomed to out West. No sand anywhere! Just clay and limestone
> down more than 2 or 3 feet. Heck, you should try to dig a posthole in my
> back yard, and I have really good ground by Indiana standards! (-:
>
> I do thank you for caring. I have read about all of your efforts and I
wish
> you all the best.
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Art Dillman
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951(a)jps.net>
> To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
>
>
> > I just can't imagine that anyone would take heavy equipment into a
> cemetery
> > until it has been thoroughly reviewed and cleaned up manually so as to
not
> > disturb any surface evidence of potential graves. One needs to remember
> > that trees love grave holes because they act as cisterns for their root
> > systems. Any time you have a tree or a stump that exhibits unusual
growth
> > in an unirrigated location, you can almost bet there is a grave close
by.
> >
> > Please don't take heavy equipment into an historic cemetery. You are
> > certain to do more damage than good.
> >
> > Sue Silver
> > El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission
> > Sexton, El Dorado Cemetery (est. ca. 1848-49)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Art Dillman <dillmaca(a)hotmail.com>
> > To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 11:29 AM
> > Subject: [INPCRP] Zenor Cemetery - Clay Co, IN
> >
> >
> > > Hi List
> > >
> > > Just a note to tell you about starting a restoration of a small
cemetery
> > in
> > > Clay Co, IN called the Zenor Cemetery. This cemetery has the following
> > > marked surnames noted after our quick scan: Zenor, Orman, Houk,
Staley,
> > and
> > > Huffman. There are two Civil War markers among the approximately 30
> > graves.
> > > We went in early this AM after stopping by earlier this week to scope
> out
> > > the job. The landowner, Mr. Jay Swalley, has run his bushhog over the
> area
> > > twice this year so things weren't too bad. Just up next to the stones.
> > > Clearing around them was an easy mornings work. Mr. Swalley came by
with
> > his
> > > backhoe and pulled up two old stumps on the edge of the entrance so
that
> > we
> > > can come and go easier. Really nice man. Jay has offered any equipment
> we
> > > need. He owns a contracting business so has about any type of heavy
> > > equipment we would need but this cemetery needs a lot of stone repair.
> We
> > > have about a dozen slab type stones broken in pieces, Several uprooted
> and
> > > laying on the ground that will need reseating, and many that need
> > cleaning.
> > > We did not go prepared to do that portion this weekend so will work on
> > that
> > > later next week. This is one of the most beautiful cemetery locations
I
> > have
> > > ever seen in Indiana. Its located on a very high hill overlooking a
long
> > > valley to the south. It is easily a 100 feet above the valley floor so
> the
> > > view is really something today with the color in the trees and the
clear
> > > blue skies. Now that is a side benefit of working on these old
> cemeteries.
> > > We will map the area next week and post the identified graves. For
many
> of
> > > you in Southern Indiana, there is another cemetery nearby named the
Funk
> > > Cemetery. I know there at Funk family members subscribed to this list
so
> I
> > > thought I would pass it on. The Funk Cemetery is also in need of a lot
> of
> > > work.
> > >
> > > Art Dillman
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to
> LoisMauk(a)usa.net.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
>
>
In a message dated 10/21/00 3:54:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ssilver1951(a)jps.net writes:
<< Date: 10/21/00 3:54:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: ssilver1951(a)jps.net (Sue Silver)
Reply-to: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
I just can't imagine that anyone would take heavy equipment into a cemetery
until it has been thoroughly reviewed and cleaned up manually so as to not
disturb any surface evidence of potential graves. One needs to remember
that trees love grave holes because they act as cisterns for their root
systems. Any time you have a tree or a stump that exhibits unusual growth
in an unirrigated location, you can almost bet there is a grave close by.
Please don't take heavy equipment into an historic cemetery. You are
certain to do more damage than good.
Sue Silver
El Dorado County Pioneer Cemeteries Commission
Sexton, El Dorado Cemetery (est. ca. 1848-49) >>
Sue, Art Dillman is familar with cleaning, probing, and repair. In this area
of Indiana we have Brush,Vines, and Briars that have to be Bush hoged, it
cant be done by hand. He has an Excelent reputation in the hills of Southern
Ind.He would never take Heavy Equipement in if there is a possibility of
damage to a buried stone A tractor is necessary sometimes. This area is
diferent than 90% of California. I helped clean 3 cemeterys in Kern, and 2 in
Fresno Co, Ca. No comparison. But very, very good advice to someone who may
be new at this.
jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
Hi List
Just a note to tell you about starting a restoration of a small cemetery in
Clay Co, IN called the Zenor Cemetery. This cemetery has the following
marked surnames noted after our quick scan: Zenor, Orman, Houk, Staley, and
Huffman. There are two Civil War markers among the approximately 30 graves.
We went in early this AM after stopping by earlier this week to scope out
the job. The landowner, Mr. Jay Swalley, has run his bushhog over the area
twice this year so things weren't too bad. Just up next to the stones.
Clearing around them was an easy mornings work. Mr. Swalley came by with his
backhoe and pulled up two old stumps on the edge of the entrance so that we
can come and go easier. Really nice man. Jay has offered any equipment we
need. He owns a contracting business so has about any type of heavy
equipment we would need but this cemetery needs a lot of stone repair. We
have about a dozen slab type stones broken in pieces, Several uprooted and
laying on the ground that will need reseating, and many that need cleaning.
We did not go prepared to do that portion this weekend so will work on that
later next week. This is one of the most beautiful cemetery locations I have
ever seen in Indiana. Its located on a very high hill overlooking a long
valley to the south. It is easily a 100 feet above the valley floor so the
view is really something today with the color in the trees and the clear
blue skies. Now that is a side benefit of working on these old cemeteries.
We will map the area next week and post the identified graves. For many of
you in Southern Indiana, there is another cemetery nearby named the Funk
Cemetery. I know there at Funk family members subscribed to this list so I
thought I would pass it on. The Funk Cemetery is also in need of a lot of
work.
Art Dillman
I want to thank Jack COUNTRYMAN, an active member of this list, for taking a
day of his time to drive to Bloomington from Greensburg to help the Monroe
County Historical Society find a couple of rumored burial sites. It took
about 4 hours of hiking but the 2 sites were found, Information copied and
GPS readings made. These sites were in a Certified Forrest in Van Buren Twp,
Monroe County. This is the cave region of Monroe County. This is part of an
effort to pinpoint locations of aprox. 300 burial sites in Monroe County.
These were the 44 & 45 sites visited in the last month.
David W Foster
Cemetery Chairman
Monroe County Historical Society
Debby, Just got to your E-Mail, you and your volunteers are to be commended.
You are bringing back a part of the history in your area that can affect
possible descendants in all parts of the country. You have undertaken a
project that apparently would have only been taken into consideration by
others, with only a thought of completing it. I would gladly join you today,
but I have research and some cleanup on a new cemetery project I am
beginning. Even at that the drive from Jeffersonville would be to far at this
time of day, had I known Friday I would have made plans to be there. I can
only wish you the best. If you have plans for later on, I will try to be
there, although I might not be of much help.
If you post on the list I will contact you personally. Good luck,
jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
Thanks to those who have made a difference at Sprinkle Cemetery. Much work
has been done and much remains. We plan to meet at the cemetery today
about 1 p.m. We still have poultice to remove and stones to clean. I
completed the map of the cemetery this past week and would like to start
moving markers to their original sites.
There are about 2 dozen that have been found around the perimeter of the
cemetery that are included here. There are also about 3 dozen names on a
1942 reading that we did not find. Many are shared markers, but can't tell
you at the moment how many missing markers that represents.
Jack Countryman found parts of a marker and a footstone in the brush along
the south fence last Saturday. So at some point we will need help cleaning
out the fence row and hauling off the debris, so that we can examine the
area better.
Come help if you can.
Debby
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmiami/index.html - Miami Co. INGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~incass/county.html - Cass Co. INGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrpmc/ - Miami & Cass Co. INPCRP
We have recently updated the information on the Reel Cemetery to include a
sub-surface image created during our recent survey of the site. Preliminary
interpretation of the site including delineation of probable graves are
included in the update.
The update is linked to our "What's New" page under the description of the
Reel Cemetery project. Access the web site with the URL below.
Regards,
Rich Green
Historic Archaeological Research
4338 Hadley Court
West Lafayette, IN 47906
Office: (765) 464-8735
Home: (765) 464-8095
http://www.har-indy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <JumpinBeej(a)aol.com>
To: <INHENRY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 9:43 AM
Subject: Tiptoeing Through The Graveyard
> Tiptoeing Through The Graveyard
> A Guide to Discovering Your Ancestors in Cemeteries
>
> The practice of marking the final resting place of a loved one goes back
> thousands of years. The ancient pyramids are conceivably the greatest
> example, standing today as a reminder of the ancient Egyptian
glorification
> of life after death. Roman catacombs, a subterranean burial place for
early
> Christians, contained niches where the fully clothed
> bodies were placed and which were then sealed with a slab inscribed with
the
> name of the deceased, date of death and a religious symbol. Many of the
> elaborate grave markers erected in the 19th and early 20th centuries were
> styled after the memorials of the ancient Greek, Roman and Egyptian
> civilizations. Following the first World War,
> grave markers started to become smaller and less elaborate - plain crosses
> and simple, upright stone slabs decorated with carvings, symbols and
epitaphs.
>
> Cemeteries are living lessons in history.
> People who buried their dead said much about themselves and the ones who
had
> died. While not considered a primary information source, gravestones are
an
> excellent source of dates, birthplaces, maiden names, spouses' names and
> parents' names. They can also provide evidence of military service,
> membership in a fraternal organization, and religious affiliations.
>
> Why should you visit the cemetery if you already have a birth and death
date
> for your ancestor? Because you never know what you may find. Nearby
> gravestones can lead you to other family members. Little grave markers can
> tell the story of children who died in infancy for whom no other records
> exist. Flowers left on a grave may lead you to living descendants.
>
> Other than a few records and documents and, perhaps, some family jewelry
or
> heirlooms, your ancestor's tombstone is the only physical evidence of the
> life they lived. There is nothing in your genealogical research that will
> connect you to your ancestor more than to stand in the one place on earth
> which contains their mortal remains and to see
> important pieces of their life carved into stone. It is an amazing,
> awe-inspiring experience.
>
> How to Locate a Cemetery
> The first step in cemetery research is the obvious one - you need to learn
> where your ancestor is buried. Death records will often contain this
> information, as will obituaries. Published cemetery surveys may list your
> ancestors. You should also be sure to not overlook family members - they
will
> often know of family burial locations or may be
> able to track down a mention on a mass or prayer card or in the family
bible.
>
> Funeral homes and morticians can be great allies in helping you to locate
in
> finding cemetery records. Funeral records may still exist which can
contain a
> wealth of information, including the burial location.Funeral directors
will
> have knowledge of most cemeteries in their area, and may also be able to
> point you to family members. If
> a funeral home is no longer in business, then check with other area
funeral
> homes as they may know where the old records are located.
>
> If you know your ancestor's religious affiliation you may want to try
> contacting the church in the area where your ancestor lived. Churches
often
> maintain attached cemeteries and also keep records for their members who
are
> buried elsewhere.
>
> The local genealogical or family history society is another good place to
> turn. These groups are continually working to conserve valuable cemetery
> information and may have compiled cemetery indexes or be able to provide
> clues to little known burial locations, especially family cemeteries. Old
> local histories can also prove useful in identifying
> former names and locations for cemeteries which have been moved.
>
> The Internet is fast becoming a useful source for cemetery records as
well.
> Many sites offer links to online cemetery records or you can use your
> favorite search engines to search for a specific cemetery. Special
geographic
> place name search engines can also help to locate a cemetery, though the
> information available on the Internet varies widely by country. The U.S.
> Geographic Names Information Server, for example, allows you to narrow
down
> your search by selecting cemetery as the feature type.
>
> If you have narrowed down the area, but aren't sure which cemetery may
> contain your ancestor, then maps can be of great assistance. Use land, tax
or
> census records to help you pinpoint your ancestor's land on a map. You
will
> often find them buried in a nearby cemetery, or even in a family cemetery
on
> their own property. Topographic maps or locality maps may show
cemeteries,
> roads, houses and farms.
> Even little details such as elevation features can be useful as
cemeteries
> were often erected on high ground.
>
> Visiting the Cemetery
> Now that you have located the cemetery where your ancestor is buried, a
> little advance planning can really help to make your visit to the cemetery
a
> success.
>
> If you have a choice in the matter, the best time to visit a cemetery is
in
> the spring or fall - especially if it is one which is neglected and
> overgrown. Brush and grass will not be as high in the spring, which will
help
> you to notice holes, rocks and such obstacles before you trip over them.
> Sometimes the season can have an impact on whether you even find the
cemetery
> at all.
> I have located several family cemeteries in the southeastern U.S. which
are
> situated in the middle of cornfields.
> Needless to say, it is nearly impossible to find such cemeteries when the
> corn is taller than you are!
>
> The well-dressed cemetery researcher wears long pants, a long-sleeved
shirt,
> sturdy shoes and gloves to help ward off critters such as snakes, gnats,
> ticks and mosquitoes.
> If the cemetery is in a wooded or rural location you may also want to
bring
> along a hoe to help cut down brush and a friend or fellow researcher for
> safety.
>
> Whether the cemetery is public or private, you should do a search for
> existing records.
> Most commonly known as sexton's records (a sexton is a caretaker
responsible
> for the cemetery), these records can include burial registers, plat maps
and
> plot records. These records will vary greatly by country and time period
and
> may not exist, but never assume! A sign outside of the cemetery may be
able
> to point you to its caretaker. Turn to the local phone book to contact
area
> funeral directors or churches. Check with the area library or
> historical/genealogical society for tips on possible record locations. You
> may be surprised by what you can find.
>
> One last thing - before you visit a private cemetery, be sure to get
> permission from the land owner.
>
>
> Plan Ahead for a Successful Cemetery Visit
> ~Dress appropriately
> ~Bring paper, several pencils, a camera and plenty of film
> ~Consider bringing optional "toys" such as a video camera, tape recorder
or a
> Palm Pilot
> ~Extra batteries for anything that may need them!
> ~If you plan to do any tombstone rubbings, then be sure to bring the
> appropriate supplies
> ~Water, rags and a soft nylon bristle brush for cleaning stones, plus
> clippers for clearing away grass and brush
> ~If you are looking for unmarked cemeteries, you may want to bring a map
so
> that you can mark their locations as you locate them
>
> Stories in Stone
> The highlight of any trip to the cemetery is reading the stones. Once you
> have taken that irresistible quick peek for your ancestor's headstone,
> however, you should stop and plan out your route around the cemetery.
> Methodical might be boring, but it greatly decreases your chances of
missing
> something important.
>
> If the cemetery is not too large, and you have enough time, it can be very
> helpful to make a complete transcription of the cemetery. Even if you only
> make note of the names and dates on each tombstone, along with their
location
> in the cemetery, this can save you a trip back in the future as well as
help
> other researchers.
>
> There is a lot of information and advice available on the proper methods
for
> transcribing tombstones. While these can serve as great reference guides,
> there is really no need to worry about formality. The important thing is
to
> make a note of everything that you see.
>
>
> Make Your Visit Count
> Write down names, dates and inscriptions exactly as they appear on the
stone.
> It is very easy to make assumptions in the excitement of the moment, and
it
> will be very beneficial to have an accurate record as you move forward (or
> backward as the case may be!) with your research.
>
> Be sure to sketch any symbols that you are unfamiliar with so that you can
> look them up later. These symbols or emblems may be valuable clues to
> membership in an organization which may have records about your ancestor.
>
> Make a note of the relationship between tombstones as well. Family members
> will often be buried together in the same plot. Nearby graves may belong
to
> parents. Small unmarked stones may indicate children that died in their
> infancy. Neighbors and relatives may also be buried in adjoining sections.
>
> As you make your way around, be sure not to miss the back of the stones as
> they can also contain important information.
>
> Another good way to record cemetery information is to use a cassette
recorder
> or even a video camera as you move around the cemetery. You can read off
> names, dates and inscriptions easily and make note of important
information,
> such as when you start a new row. It also provides you with a backup for
any
> written transcriptions that you have made.
>
> Pictures are worth a thousand words and are much better for tombstones
than
> chalk or shaving cream.
> Use hand-held clippers to clear brush away from the stone and then use a
> nylon (never wire) bristle brush and plain water to clean the stone from
> bottom to top, rinsing well as you go. A bright sunny day and a mirror to
> help reflect the sunlight on the stone can really help to bring out the
> carvings.
>
> Enjoy yourself! Visiting cemeteries is one of the most rewarding parts of
> genealogy research, so stop and take the time to commune with your
ancestors.
>
> For More Information Cemetery Research
> Lots of great links for online cemetery records and cemetery research
>
> How to Do A Tombstone Rubbing
> A fun way to preserve cemetery history! Learn the correct way to do this
to
> minimize possible damage to the stone.
> ( Note from Beej: I have added this to the information for easy access
go
> to bettom of page and click on link for more information on this topic
the
> site is just full of more information.
> http://members.aol.com/TombView/rubbings.html)
>
> Cemetery Do's and Don'ts
> Tips for researching responsibly in cemeteries, including cleaning and
> maintaining cemeteries and tips for reading those illegible inscriptions
> without causing damage to the tombstones.
>
> Tips for Photographing Gravestones
> Techniques for recording cemetery information using cameras and video
> cameras, including tips for getting great pictures, ideas for video
> transcriptions and the use of digital photography.
>
> Tombstone Symbolism and Iconography
> Learn the meanings of the various carvings, symbols and icons found on
> gravestones.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
First check with your local Library, and, or local Genealogy dept. Harrison
Co. Ind. has a record of almost every cemetery in the county that was copied
by the WPA from 1939 to 1940. Dont be disapointed, all countys dont have
these records. But I would start there
Thanks for the comment on St. Pete
jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
I am new to this group and was fascinated by your efforts to restore the Old
St. Peter's Cemetery. I applaud your determination and wish I had been there
to help. Do you know anything about the Amo Cemetery? I believe it is in
Hendricks County. I'm not sure if that's the official name, but family
records indicate my great great grandfather, Henry Spoon, is buried there.
I'm trying to find information about the cemetery and see if there's an
office with records there. Little is known about Henry Spoon and I would like
to at least confirm he is buried there. He died Aug. 3, 1877, before death
certificates were required.
Doug Spoon
DSpoon14(a)aol.com
Jack,
I have to applaud your determination and perseverance!
It just makes me sick to know that this happened all
those years ago with no thought to the families of
those buried there! Wish I could be there to help!
Keep up the great work!
Penny Ward
Boulder, CO
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> In a message dated 10/15/00 2:58:05 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time, Jb502000 writes:
>
> << Subj: Dont Look for "Glory" in reclaiming a
> Cemetery
> Date: 10/15/00 2:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: Jb502000
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >>
>
> I have received numerous E-Mails asking what
> cemetery I was talking about, I
> didnt use the name because everyone on the list, had
> heard the name to often,
> but for the new names on the list, and those who
> weren't sure, It was old St.
> Peters in Harrison Co. Ind. Yes it was, and will
> always be a cemetery. It was
> only Bulldozed Clear by a Priest in 1965, to avoid
> having to maintain it. It
> has no stones left, and had grown over. I just
> Memorialized it. I am
> recovering the stones, because there are no records
> of the roughly 150 - 175
> burials there. I Hope this explains my
> determination.
>
> jb502000(a)aol.com
> Jack Briles
> Jeffersonville, In.
>
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In a message dated 10/15/00 2:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jb502000 writes:
<< Subj: Dont Look for "Glory" in reclaiming a Cemetery
Date: 10/15/00 2:58:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jb502000
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>
I have received numerous E-Mails asking what cemetery I was talking about, I
didnt use the name because everyone on the list, had heard the name to often,
but for the new names on the list, and those who weren't sure, It was old St.
Peters in Harrison Co. Ind. Yes it was, and will always be a cemetery. It was
only Bulldozed Clear by a Priest in 1965, to avoid having to maintain it. It
has no stones left, and had grown over. I just Memorialized it. I am
recovering the stones, because there are no records of the roughly 150 - 175
burials there. I Hope this explains my determination.
jb502000(a)aol.com
Jack Briles
Jeffersonville, In.
I saw a grave stone in Knox County, Indiana, with the hand on it, and the finger pointing up toward Heaven, with the quotation "There is rest in Heaven".
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