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Just wanted to report in that a DOZEN people showed up with us this
afternoon at the final meeting of the Indiana General Assembly's Natural
Resources Study Committee meeting here in Clarksville. I was so PLEASED
with the turn-out. There were, of course, others there (DNR, Historic
Landmarks, etc.); but I think they were impressed with the "citizen"
turn-out.
A couple of our folks had to leave before the Committee addressed the
subject of pioneer cemeteries, but it was worthwhile nonetheless.
Rep. Lytle called on me first and I told him I had good news -- I had no
specific remarks to make, but I gave them pictures of three cemeteries here
in Clark Co. that are just horror stories. I told them they were not
isolated incidents, but good representative examples of the kind of
situations we encounter on a regular basis.
I gave them two articles published in the Louisville paper in the past week
about Floyd Co. pioneer cemeteries. I gave them about 60 petition
signatures that I collected over the last two weekends. Then, I introduced
John Walters to the Committee and told them that they might find that what
John and his people have accomplished in Fayette County could and should be
a model program for the entire state.
Rep. Lytle seemed quite taken with what John had to say. John told the
Committee how he is a full-time County employee, that they have a County
Cemetery Commission and that the Township Trustees contribute toward his
expenses incurred as County Cemetery Supervisor. John gave the Committee a
binder with samples of some of the restoration work he has done, the
detailed reports he prepares on each cemetery he restores and each stone he
repairs, copies of his annual budget and copies of newspaper articles he has
collected.
Rep. Lytle asked if John would be available to speak before the House of
Representatives regarding the success of the Fayette County program as a
cooperative joint effort between the County, the Township Trustees and even
the City of Connersville. John said he would do it "nervously".
My friends Dan and Betty Johnson were there for several hours, but had to
leave just before the Committee began discussing cemeteries. My friend Mary
Zollman also had to leave. But we appreciated them for just being there!
Paul Coffman and his wife Pat from Borden were there and Paul spoke to the
Committee about some of the problems and frustrations he has encountered.
Paul mentioned to Rep. Lytle about some extremely strong cemetery protection
laws they had encountered on their recent trip out West and Rep. Lytle was
quite interested in learning more about that information.
Frankie Eads and her husband came up from Gibson County and Frankie spoke
about her concerns, as did Jack Briles of New Albany, who was accompanied by
his wife Betty.
Finally, our friend Jeanne Burke of Charlestown, who knows a tremendous
amount about abandoned and neglected pioneer cemeteries in this area, spoke
for a few minutes about her concerns.
We expressed to the Committee our appreciation for the action being
attempted through the drafts presented but that nothing has been done to
address the problem of lack of care, attention, maintenance and restoration
that these cemeteries deserve.
After the adjournment of the meeting, Jack Briles and his wife spoke
informally at some length with Rep. Lytle and they came away with the
impression that he is trying his very best to give us some meaningful
legislation to protect these sites.
After the meeting broke up, a group of us (Senators, Representatives, DNR
personnel, and citizens) were treated to a visit to a backroom at the Falls
of the Ohio Interpretative Center where we saw the "crocodile" that was
captured last summer at the Falls. Truth be told, he is a South American
caimen, about 3 feet long (about half grown). Somebody apparently released
him at the river, where he would have surely died last winter. He is kept
in a large tank there as an object lesson to student visitors about the
perils of releasing exotics into the wild. This fellow has some
nasty-looking teeth and a voracious appetite. I'm glad I didn't bump into
him while roaming around the fossil beds at the Falls!
That's all the news that's fit to print for tonight. Thanks to all of you
for your encouragement and assistance.
Lois
=================
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, November 6, in Washington Twp.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
John Drake of the Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette has written a really nice story
in today's paper (10/25/99) entitled:
"Restoring resting places --
Volunteers rescue Indiana's oldest cemeteries"
Prominently featured in the story are our friends Karen Adams, Scott
Satterthwaite and Connie Brubaker.
The full story is on-line for a short while at:
http://www.jg.net/jg/news/top1.htm
Be sure and check it out.
Lois
=================
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, November 6, in Washington Twp.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
Thank you for the nice report to all of us who are far far away, but you, nor
the cemeterys are forgotten and I thank you for all the hard work and
devotion you all express. Ive put in a lot of hard, hot summer days on my own
cemetaries, 2 at Rome and one on Hurricane creek in Perry co. It took 21
years to find my grgr grandfather Adam Shoemakers grave and I will always be
greatful for the Albins and Mrs Mills who finally found it. He was Abe
Lincolns preacher and teacher at Little Pidgeon Creek Church. I put up a
new tombstone for him(left the old ones) so he wouldnt get lost again.
Someone had logged thu it and when we finished we had over 100 Standing. John
and Doris Paff now take care of it, and have even found more. They do it out
of the goodness of their heart, bless them.
Nadine Shoemaker Arnold in Ca.
Lois, I don't hear the same kind of indignation about the removal of these
Indian remains that echo across the internet over a pioneer cemetery. I know
they may have been enemies of the pioneers in some cases, but most of those
problems were started by the white man, especially on the Plains. Some of us
also have Indian ancestors.....
Carol
Hi all,
I have been away for a while but must have missed something. I read a
question of why did only the men have footmarkers and not the wife? I did
not realize that this was the case or was this just in one Cemetery?
Just a note from my own personal obsevation. I have only ever seen one
grave marked with a footstone. It was in the Debaun Cemetery in Parke
County. It was the only one marked as such in the whole cemetery and was at
the foot of, Elizabeth H. Wife of Henry Huffman and the footstone was
ininitialed with E.H.H. (my third gr grandmother).
Any way it appears that at least one wife got a footstone. I also visited
the Rawlings Cemetery and there were no footstones visable there.
Don Huffman
Susanville, Ca
crfordy(a)thegrid.net
Norton Arts, Inc. is mentioned in the current issue of Stone in America (a
publication of the American Monumnet Association) as an Arkansas business
which is heavily involved in gravestone conservation and preservation. They
have a website at http://www.nortonarts.com . On their Family Monument
Conservation webpage <http://www.nortonarts.com/historic.htm>, they mention
that they offer for sale Family Monument Conservation Kits. I wrote to Mr.
and Mrs. Norton a few days ago and received the following reply. I cannot
personally endorse their services or products, but though it might be of
interest to some of you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Norton Arts <nortonarts(a)ozarkisp.net>
To: Lois Mauk <LawOfficeInformationSystem(a)worldnet.att.net>
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Family Monument Conservation Kits
>Hi, Lois!
>
>Thanks for getting in touch with us. We have designed the kit to apply to
>various types of stones: marble, granite, limestone, and sandstone in
>particular. We have made a few additions to the kit. The price is now
>$27.50 plus $5 Shipping and Handling. Arkansas residents pay $1.55 in
sales
>tax. Out of state residents are responsible for their own sales tax.
>
>The kit includes 3 types of cleaners. One is for surface cleaning, another
>for a deeper clean, and the last is for stains and mildew. The kit also
>includes the brushes/tools that you will need. There is also a
preservation
>treatment in the kit.
>
>Thanks for your suggestion about adding the Do's and Don't's to our
website.
>We will do that immediately. That's a great idea.
>
>Thanks,
>Liz
Jim and Minxie Fannin, in their gravestone conservation workshop, recommend
the use of HTH (2 oz. dry to a gallon of water), rather than chlorine bleach
for marble stones. Thorough rinsing is required. Since we have had to carry
water to the cemetery in 5 gallon jugs, we've found a pump sprayer (like you
might use for garden spraying of insecticides) to be very helpful for
rinsing.
Initial cleaning can be done with Kodak Photo-Flo solution (1/4 oz. to 5
qts. water) or 1 cup ammonia to 1 gallon of water (for marble only). The
Photo-Flo does a good job.
Ruth
----- Original Message -----
From: Lois Mauk <LawOfficeInformationSystem(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:01 AM
Subject: [INPCRP-L] Re: General Answers to Connie's Questions
> Connie asked several important questions. Not knowing more about the
> specific situation, all I can offer are "general" responses, but I'll do
my
> best.
>
> >Like why did men get footstones and not the wife?
> My guess is that (a) the footstones were never installed for her
grave,
> especially if he died first or (b) the footstones have been lost.
>
> >What do I do with the fallen stones?
> On a very short-term basis, elevate the stones off the ground by
laying
> them across several 2x4s. This permits the stones to dry out and
encourages
> air circulation beneath them. This is an important step prior to
attempting
> a repair.
> A good "temporary" solution for a fallen stone may be to dig out a
large
> hole where the stone should be standing, put in a 2 or 3" layer of
sand/pea
> gravel, tamp down the sand and gravel mixture, stand the stone on the
> mixture, adding more mixture beneath the stone to raise the part of the
> stone with lettering above the ground level, insert the stone in its
proper
> vertical position, straighten it and fill in the hole with more
sand/gravel
> and soil. Tamp this down thoroughly. The stone is now vertical. When
the
> weather improves or you feel more comfortable attempting a PERMANENT
repair,
> you can pretty easily dislodge the stone, empty the hole and proceed with
a
> mortar/epoxy repair.
>
> >What do I do with stones that are in 8-10 pieces?
> Of course, I can't give you specific, detailed instructions. The
> "Landscapes" book will be most instructional in this area.
> When you get your "Landscapes" book, you may feel confident enough to
> attempt a repair with pins and epoxies. Depending on the situation, you
may
> have to take the pieces home with you so you can work with them there. It
> is certainly possible to do the work on-site, but you may not have a
> generator or all the tools you'll need to do the job correctly there in
the
> cemetery.
> The pieces must first be dried and carefully cleaned. Dave Foster in
> Bloomington yesterday recommended cleaning the areas to be epoxied with
dena
> tured alcohol followed by acetone. (Good ventilation is, of course, very
> important here.)
> The pieces can then be epoxied (following the directions carefully),
and
> you'll need several large clamps to hold them firmly together until the
> epoxy cures. (Remember, no metal edges on any stones.) Once properly
> repaired, the stone can then be taken back to the site for
re-installation.
>
> >Civil War cemetery, why no markers for the vet?
> I don't know what specific information you have re this being a "Civil
> War Cemetery". If it was, for instance, associated with a Civil War camp
or
> hospital, etc., there may be no existing markers on those graves. Most of
> those were marked with wooden markers, which have naturally decayed over
the
> decades.
> Perhaps the reference was to this being a "Civil War ERA" cemetery,
> meaning there were burials here during that period.
> Perhaps the veterans buried here did not have government markers and
> their stones do not reflect their military service.
> Certainly merits further study and investigation.
>
> Re using bleach to clean marble, we STRONGLY DISCOURAGE using bleach or
any
> other such household cleansers. They might very well "clean" the stone,
but
> so would a sandblaster. They are all highly damaging to the stones.
>
> I generally urge folks to use nothing stronger than tap water and a
> soft-bristled nylon brush. The "Landscapes" book includes several
> suggestions for cleaning various types of stone.
>
> Hope this helps in some small way.
>
> Lois
> =================
> Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
> Next meeting: Saturday, November 6, in Washington Twp.
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881
> Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Connie Brubaker <cbrubaker(a)ldr.coolsky.com>
> To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:28 AM
> Subject: [INPCRP-L] Re: INPCRP-D Digest V99 #273
>
>
> >Lois, Tahnks for the help. At this time I don't feel I can organize a
> >seminar maybe in the spring I can think about that.
> >
> >I think a step-by-step web page would be wonderful and who better than
you
> >so organize it.<G>
> >
> >Thank you for the book suggestion.
> >
> >I recieved a very good explination for the head-foot stones. But I have
> more
> >questions about them. Like why did men get them and the wife not?
> >What do I do with the fallen stones?
> >What do I do with stones that are in 8-10 pieces?
> >Civil War cemetery, why no markers for the vet? I have found 59 markers
and
> >not one say anything about being a vet.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Connie
> >
> >I have been told to use a mixture of 1 tbs. bleach, 1 cup white vinegar
> >mixed in a gallon of water to clean marble stones, can anyone tell me if
> >this is ok? Will it work on any other stones?
> >
> >
> >==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of
England
> and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli:
> "Show me the manner in which a nation or community
> cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical
> exactness the tender mercies of its people, their
> respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty
> to high ideals."
>
Connie asked several important questions. Not knowing more about the
specific situation, all I can offer are "general" responses, but I'll do my
best.
>Like why did men get footstones and not the wife?
My guess is that (a) the footstones were never installed for her grave,
especially if he died first or (b) the footstones have been lost.
>What do I do with the fallen stones?
On a very short-term basis, elevate the stones off the ground by laying
them across several 2x4s. This permits the stones to dry out and encourages
air circulation beneath them. This is an important step prior to attempting
a repair.
A good "temporary" solution for a fallen stone may be to dig out a large
hole where the stone should be standing, put in a 2 or 3" layer of sand/pea
gravel, tamp down the sand and gravel mixture, stand the stone on the
mixture, adding more mixture beneath the stone to raise the part of the
stone with lettering above the ground level, insert the stone in its proper
vertical position, straighten it and fill in the hole with more sand/gravel
and soil. Tamp this down thoroughly. The stone is now vertical. When the
weather improves or you feel more comfortable attempting a PERMANENT repair,
you can pretty easily dislodge the stone, empty the hole and proceed with a
mortar/epoxy repair.
>What do I do with stones that are in 8-10 pieces?
Of course, I can't give you specific, detailed instructions. The
"Landscapes" book will be most instructional in this area.
When you get your "Landscapes" book, you may feel confident enough to
attempt a repair with pins and epoxies. Depending on the situation, you may
have to take the pieces home with you so you can work with them there. It
is certainly possible to do the work on-site, but you may not have a
generator or all the tools you'll need to do the job correctly there in the
cemetery.
The pieces must first be dried and carefully cleaned. Dave Foster in
Bloomington yesterday recommended cleaning the areas to be epoxied with dena
tured alcohol followed by acetone. (Good ventilation is, of course, very
important here.)
The pieces can then be epoxied (following the directions carefully), and
you'll need several large clamps to hold them firmly together until the
epoxy cures. (Remember, no metal edges on any stones.) Once properly
repaired, the stone can then be taken back to the site for re-installation.
>Civil War cemetery, why no markers for the vet?
I don't know what specific information you have re this being a "Civil
War Cemetery". If it was, for instance, associated with a Civil War camp or
hospital, etc., there may be no existing markers on those graves. Most of
those were marked with wooden markers, which have naturally decayed over the
decades.
Perhaps the reference was to this being a "Civil War ERA" cemetery,
meaning there were burials here during that period.
Perhaps the veterans buried here did not have government markers and
their stones do not reflect their military service.
Certainly merits further study and investigation.
Re using bleach to clean marble, we STRONGLY DISCOURAGE using bleach or any
other such household cleansers. They might very well "clean" the stone, but
so would a sandblaster. They are all highly damaging to the stones.
I generally urge folks to use nothing stronger than tap water and a
soft-bristled nylon brush. The "Landscapes" book includes several
suggestions for cleaning various types of stone.
Hope this helps in some small way.
Lois
=================
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, November 6, in Washington Twp.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Brubaker <cbrubaker(a)ldr.coolsky.com>
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:28 AM
Subject: [INPCRP-L] Re: INPCRP-D Digest V99 #273
>Lois, Tahnks for the help. At this time I don't feel I can organize a
>seminar maybe in the spring I can think about that.
>
>I think a step-by-step web page would be wonderful and who better than you
>so organize it.<G>
>
>Thank you for the book suggestion.
>
>I recieved a very good explination for the head-foot stones. But I have
more
>questions about them. Like why did men get them and the wife not?
>What do I do with the fallen stones?
>What do I do with stones that are in 8-10 pieces?
>Civil War cemetery, why no markers for the vet? I have found 59 markers and
>not one say anything about being a vet.
>
>Thanks
>Connie
>
>I have been told to use a mixture of 1 tbs. bleach, 1 cup white vinegar
>mixed in a gallon of water to clean marble stones, can anyone tell me if
>this is ok? Will it work on any other stones?
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
>
>
Lois, Tahnks for the help. At this time I don't feel I can organize a
seminar maybe in the spring I can think about that.
I think a step-by-step web page would be wonderful and who better than you
so organize it.<G>
Thank you for the book suggestion.
I recieved a very good explination for the head-foot stones. But I have more
questions about them. Like why did men get them and the wife not?
What do I do with the fallen stones?
What do I do with stones that are in 8-10 pieces?
Civil War cemetery, why no markers for the vet? I have found 59 markers and
not one say anything about being a vet.
Thanks
Connie
I have been told to use a mixture of 1 tbs. bleach, 1 cup white vinegar
mixed in a gallon of water to clean marble stones, can anyone tell me if
this is ok? Will it work on any other stones?
Jack:
I imagine that the U.S. Forest Service does NOT have to abide by Indiana's
state laws regarding cemeteries. This being federal property managed by a
federal agency, they are presumably not constrained by our state
regulations.
I'll try to contact Hoosier National Forest tomorrow and see what they can
send me about this.
Lois
HNF (Hoosier National Forest) is re-opening their management plan for
comments. The mailing I just got from them specifically invites comments on
cemetery access/management among other issues. Maybe now is the time to
call/write them with concerns about this. They have copies of proposed
plans available for review/comment...contact them for a copy. The letter
(from the District Ranger) says he favors "Alternative A" in that plan (no I
don't have a copy yet...so I don't know what changes that proposes....).
Their 'decision notice' will be mailed to those who submit comments, or who
specifically request the notice.
Interestingly, one of their rangers I spoke to said they were not obliged to
meet state laws regarding cemeteries. Anyone know if that is so, and if so,
why...or if its possible/feasible to have them comply?
HNF
Attention: Dave Kissel/ Wilderness Trails Project
811 Constitution Avenue
Bedford, IN
47421
(812) 275-5987
(Note for new folks...the HNF is a federal governmental agency that
owns/administers large chunks of 'forest' land in the southern third or so
of the state...including the Deam Wilderness area SE of Bloomington where
access (especially by road/vehicle) to old cemeteries has been increasingly
harder/more restricted.)
Lois said:
> Does anyone on the list know of a situation where a Trustee has ever been
> prosecuted under IC 23-14-68 (Care of Cemeteries by Townships)
> <http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title23/ar14/ch68.html>?
I don't know of such a situation, but I'm wondering if someone at the state
level has recently brought this to the attention of Township Trustees. A
trustee told us about mid summer that he had received a letter from the
state, and things have changed; he MUST pay us for the work we were doing.
We found this puzzling, since we were aware of the recent changes in the
law, and didn't think there was anything there to cause this change of heart
and procedure. (The end result is that we have been paid.)
Our group is really active; when I used Lois' link, I got a message: "Too
many concurrent JRun requests."
Ruth Cox Schlemmer
SE Indiana
In this morning's Louisville Courier-Journal (10/23/99), the front page of
the Indiana section features a nice article on a new class project of the
third and fourth grade students at S. Ellen Jones Elementary School.
In cooperation with Tom Cannon, the New Albany township trustee, the
students and their teachers are studying and cleaning the "Colored People's
Burial Ground" (as it is identified on its original deed) and hope to
restore it.
Unfortunately, the story is not available on-line.
The cemetery has been adopted as their project for the year, according to
Mickey Hicks, one of the teachers.
One of the students, who until a few weeks ago was my next door neighbor,
came to me a couple of months ago so excited she could barely contain
herself. Her class had "discovered" an old cemetery and she wanted to know
what they could do to clean it up. I gave her printouts of several INPCRP
pages and suggested her teacher start by researching the ownership of the
property and contacting the Township Trustee.
The cemetery dates back to the 1860s. The Trustee will be assisting the
students in their efforts.
I'll keep you posted.
Lois
=================
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, November 6, in Washington Twp.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
Kyle and Others:
Does anyone on the list know of a situation where a Trustee has ever been
prosecuted under IC 23-14-68 (Care of Cemeteries by Townships)
<http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title23/ar14/ch68.html>?
I had a reporter ask me this question earlier this week, but I am not aware
of any such situations.
Lois
=================
Clark County Cemetery Preservation Committee --
Next meeting: Saturday, November 6, in Washington Twp.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp
Connie:
I don't believe Holly's remarks were intended to be hurtful. Sometimes
e-mail is inadequate to accurately convey our true meanings. Things we
would easily understand in a face-to-face or telephone conversation are
sometimes misconstrued when set out in simple ASCII text where inflection
and intonation are absent.
I think it would be accurate to say that ALL of us want to learn more about
doing cemetery restoration and preservation work. We ALL want to learn how
to better do what we've been doing and how best to do what needs to be done.
Seminars like the one today in Bloomington are wonderful! They give folks
like us a chance to actually see first-hand how to reset a stone or do a
repair. But, as is often the case, many of us don't have the opportunity to
attend these seminars for a variety of reasons. I've missed several in the
last couple of years that I would have dearly loved to attend. Many times
they are scheduled for weekdays when I can't get away from my 50-hour-a-week
job or they are just too far or too expensive for me to attend.
The workshop today in Bloomington was well planned, expertly executed,
well-thought-out and extremely interesting. (Lunch was great too!) Ron,
Mary Jane and Dave have reason to be very proud of what they accomplished.
This was a first for them, though they are veterans of several other
seminars, particularly the ones put on annually in Northern Kentucky.
Ron said they kept hoping somebody would put on a seminar like this in
Indiana and, when no one did, they did it themselves. And they did a HECK
of a job!
Maybe you can drum up enough interest in Northern Indiana to organize a
similar seminar. It's not something anyone can do alone, so I would suggest
you see if the local historial or genealogical society would be willing to
sponsor the event. If so, let us know and maybe some of us on the group can
help you come up with speakers and instructors to put together the show.
Although the Bloomington papers declined to help publicize the event, there
were quite a few local people there and Ron reports that they had to turn
people away. About half the attendees were from out of town. This tells me
there is wide spectrum of interest in such programs.
There was a good deal of talk today about putting on other seminars in the
State and Ron is already talking about doing it again next year and making
that one a 2-day event so more hands-on work can be done by the attendees.
Several folks at the meeting today "volunteered" me (thanks, guys) to put
together a step-by-step webpage on the INPCRP site demonstrating different
types of stone repairs. We've got some folks on the group that, I hope,
will be able to help me with this as they know a lot more about this than I
do.
Connie, until a seminar can be organized in your end of the state, let me
recommend to you an excellent, inexpensive resource that most of the folks
who've read it say is a premium guide to stone repair. It features great
step-by-step photos and excellent advice. It's published by the Heritage
Properties and Museum Programs Unit of the Cultural Programs Branch of the
Province of Ontario. The book is entitled "Landscapes of Memories: A Guide
for Conserving Historic Cemeteries" and you can order it on-line at:
http://www.gov.on.ca/MCZCR/english/culdiv/heritage/memories.htm
The $14.75 Canadian price converts to about $10.06 US Dollars, including
S/H.
If you didn't get the answers you need to your specific questions about
footstones (which are very common in the Southern end of the state), what
best to do about fallen stones, and "Civil War" era cemeteries, let me know
and I'll see what I can do to help you. I don't pretend to have all the
answers, but I will do my best to find them for you.
Lois
Lois:
I've never heard of a trustee being prosecuted, but I am going to check into
the possiblility of filing a civil suit against the trustee with the
intention of seeking an order from a judge mandating that this cemetery be
taken care of...
I'll let you know what I find out.
Kyle D. Conrad
I'm not trying to stir anything up, but I just couldn't go without saying
something (that being my nature as anyone who knows me will attest).
Regardless of wanting to help, which I'm sure was Holly's intention) the
comments could have been handled with a little decorum.
Knowing Connie, I will tell one and all that she is fighting an uphill
battle with not much in the way of cooperation from anyone or help. She and
her daughter have been working diligently. I would love to help, but as a
teacher, I don't have enough daylight when I get off of work to help, which
leaves weekends which are busy for both of us.
Ok, I'm off my soap box now and I hope that everything will work out for the
best. I too would love to have a conference closer to Allen County on a
weekend so that I might attend, because reading just doesn't give me enough
information...I happen to be one of those unfortunate souls that just can't
learn by only reading.
I hope everyone has a great day and look forward to reading the information
that is posted and I hope that it is always presented in a positive light.
Bye for now
Molly Kendall
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernie & Connie Lasley [mailto:elasley@sigecom.net]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 9:36 PM
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [INPCRP-L] questions
Connie,
Have you visited the INPCRP website? There is several articles and links
to restoration and preservation information there. It is not necessary to
travel to meetings.
Holly was trying to help, as you will find most of us here will freely
offer all the assistance you need. We all have the same goals, and will
share with you any information you need through this list, or by e-mail so
you will not need to travel to meetings.
Ernie
At 08:44 PM 10/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Holly, I will try not to take your remark as indicating I don't have a clue
>what I'm doing. Since this is my first time and I am volunteering my time
>and lots of it, I didn't expect to be told that I am "in desperate need of
>training." Yes you have hurt my feelings and if I were volunteering for you
>I would quit! But since I'm not I will continue to struggle on my own
>trying to learn about preservervation and restoration. I can't pick up an
go
>to meetings 3 hours away for the fun of it and I can't seem to get anyone
>with the proper education to come to Northern Indiana to help we poor dumb
>volunteers learn the proper way of doing the job.
>
>I'm appoligize to the rest of the group for my stupidity and lack of
>"training" no more questions or comments from this one!
>Connie Brubaker
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
>undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
>
==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite.
Connie,
Have you visited the INPCRP website? There is several articles and links
to restoration and preservation information there. It is not necessary to
travel to meetings.
Holly was trying to help, as you will find most of us here will freely
offer all the assistance you need. We all have the same goals, and will
share with you any information you need through this list, or by e-mail so
you will not need to travel to meetings.
Ernie
At 08:44 PM 10/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Holly, I will try not to take your remark as indicating I don't have a clue
>what I'm doing. Since this is my first time and I am volunteering my time
>and lots of it, I didn't expect to be told that I am "in desperate need of
>training." Yes you have hurt my feelings and if I were volunteering for you
>I would quit! But since I'm not I will continue to struggle on my own
>trying to learn about preservervation and restoration. I can't pick up an go
>to meetings 3 hours away for the fun of it and I can't seem to get anyone
>with the proper education to come to Northern Indiana to help we poor dumb
>volunteers learn the proper way of doing the job.
>
>I'm appoligize to the rest of the group for my stupidity and lack of
>"training" no more questions or comments from this one!
>Connie Brubaker
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
>are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
>undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
>historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
>in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
>not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
>memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
>yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
>exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
>
Connie,
Never give up on anything that gives you satisfaction in what you
do to benefit others. A great industrilist once said "The three Ds
Desire, Determination and Deligence mean more to me than any
PHD" Stay with what you are doing, because experience is the
best teacher.
UEB
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Brubaker <cbrubaker(a)ldr.coolsky.com>
To: <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 8:44 PM
Subject: [INPCRP-L] questions
> Holly, I will try not to take your remark as indicating I don't have a
clue
> what I'm doing. Since this is my first time and I am volunteering my time
> and lots of it, I didn't expect to be told that I am "in desperate need of
> training." Yes you have hurt my feelings and if I were volunteering for
you
> I would quit! But since I'm not I will continue to struggle on my own
> trying to learn about preservervation and restoration. I can't pick up an
go
> to meetings 3 hours away for the fun of it and I can't seem to get anyone
> with the proper education to come to Northern Indiana to help we poor dumb
> volunteers learn the proper way of doing the job.
>
> I'm appoligize to the rest of the group for my stupidity and lack of
> "training" no more questions or comments from this one!
> Connie Brubaker
>
>
> ==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
> THIS IS A CEMETERY -----
> "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families
> are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is
> undisguised. This is a cemetery.
> "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence,
> historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched.
> "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved
> in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life -
> not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family
> memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living.
> "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of
> yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery
> exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always."
> --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA
>
>
Holly, I will try not to take your remark as indicating I don't have a clue
what I'm doing. Since this is my first time and I am volunteering my time
and lots of it, I didn't expect to be told that I am "in desperate need of
training." Yes you have hurt my feelings and if I were volunteering for you
I would quit! But since I'm not I will continue to struggle on my own
trying to learn about preservervation and restoration. I can't pick up an go
to meetings 3 hours away for the fun of it and I can't seem to get anyone
with the proper education to come to Northern Indiana to help we poor dumb
volunteers learn the proper way of doing the job.
I'm appoligize to the rest of the group for my stupidity and lack of
"training" no more questions or comments from this one!
Connie Brubaker