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Hi, Everyone-
Merle and I have decided to accept the job of mowing the Otwell cemetery this summer. We are only required to mow the flat lot in front of the cemetery, because the cemetery itself is in such rough condition. Our goal is to be able to mow the whole cemetery by fall.
In our first mowing, we finished the lot, and worked our way back into the cemetery just a little. Already, we discovered one stone in the weeds against the fence and another under a layer of weeds, lying flat on the ground. I have added them to the Otwell list. They are:
Catherine, wife of Jacob Otto, died May 29, 1855, Aged 71y 3m 24d
and
Abel A. Larison, died 23 Apr 1874, 53y 2m 1d.
These were listed before, but the information was not complete.
Ruth Cox Schlemmer
Same Cline wrote:
>
> A young man who has taken on the job of doing what needs to be done in
> the Washington Township, Morgan County, Cemeteries will be working with
> us. A local monument dealer may also be available to demonstrate repair
> and safe cleaning. The immediate past president of the Morgan County
> Historic Preservation Society will also be on hand in the clean it
> safely category.
>
> The program of what we will really do, will depend on the response from
> the Archeaology and Historic Preservation Division of the Indiana
> Department of Natural Resources. We are waiting on their letter
> concerning what we can do and cannot do of those things we planned to
> do. My best guess right now is they may allow us to probe for stones,
> but not unearth them; and have no objections to above ground
> restorations. We'll see. I'll let you all know, when we receive DNR's
> letter.
>
> I wish one of our local builders had taken the time about 2 years ago to
> ask some questions and do what was "right", instead of merely
> building--on a very significant Native American site, maybe the most
> significant site in Morgan County. By the time I saw what was going on
> and contact was made with DNR it was too late to do anything--they [DNR]
> said. So now when I drive by I always think that maybe the development
> will end up the way the movie "Poltergist" ended. Hope the Senior
> Citizens who own the doubles have enough advance warning--before their
> homes are sucked back into the earth. I doubt they know they are living
> on the site of a Native American village and burial site.
>
Sam and All,
This is disgusting!! There were laws written to protect the Native
American sites, and I didn't see anywhere in them where it was 'too
late' to enforce. Read thru all the legal goobligook for yourself.
http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title14/ar21/ch1.html
A developer can build a housing addition on a cemetery and get away
with it, but I break the law by probing for headstones to reset. I admit
it. I broke the law. I found my wife's 5th great grandmother's stone,
repaired it and reset it. WITHOUT A PLAN from DNR.
I also am waiting for a reply from DNR. I faxed them a letter about a
month ago March 18th.
NOW I SEE IT. I guess I didn't break law. This is why it is too late.
SECTION 29. IC 14-21-1-26,
(b) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally violates
this section commits a Class A misdemeanor.
This is one of the questions I asked.
1. Since SECTION 1 excludes 1940 +, before we can probe for headstones
and reset (Section 31) we have to have a plan [if this applies to
us???]. How do we submit a plan for approval? Do you have a sample?
2. If we get approved plan, does that mean the DNR will have a Cemetery
Database?
Or will our cemeteries be considered historic places.
I suggest:
These are the only laws that protect cemeteries. BUT, it is up to us,
the INPCRP to record and document these sites so no one can KNOWINGLY
disturb our cemeteries. It will also prevent a lot of Vadalism type Two
- IGNORANCE. Well intentioned documentors, carekeepers, etc. stacking
stones or propping up against a tree. What are these approved
plans???????
How bout we work with DNR and make these laws work. It's up to you DNR
(Division of Historic Preservation and Archeology). Answer letters and
questions. We want the same thing you do. PROTECTION OF OUR PAST.
Ron....
Monroe County
Randy,
Our township trustee says that he is obligated to have all the cemeteries
mowed for Memorial Day. I am new to this, so I don't know what has been
discussed or tried, but it seems like a campaign based around the Memorial
Day weekend would take advantage of a time when cemeteries are getting a
little more attention than usual.
Do we have a flyer or brochure?
Ruth Cox Schlemmer
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Klemme <randyk(a)si-net.com>
To: INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com <INPCRP-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 1:15 AM
Subject: follow-up question
>Okay since we are dealing with the "shall" and "maybe" issue and since
>Franklin County does not have a cemetery commission....then if we clean
>the cemetery up can we apply for a veterans marker for these veterans
>graves?
>
>Randy Klemme
>Franklin County
>
>
>==== INPCRP Mailing List ====
>Most of my family roots are underground.
>
It appears to me that Sam Cline's message in response to my Roll Call
posting did not get posted to the INPCRP group at large, so I am reprinting
it here. I don't think Sam intended for me to be the only one to see this
message.
Lois
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:34:58 -0500
From: Sam Cline <scline(a)hoosierweb.org>
Reply-To: scline(a)hoosierweb.org
Organization: Hoosier Group, Inc.
To: Lois Mauk <LawOfficeInformationSystem(a)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: April 1998 Roll Call
References: <19980405134149.AAA3015@LOIS>
X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: LawOfficeInformationSystem(a)worldnet.att.net
April 25 the Cemetery Committee of the Morgan County History And
Genealogy Association will have a "working" meeting at the Long Family
Cemtery south of Martinsville.
A young man who has taken on the job of doing what needs to be done in
the Washington Township, Morgan County, Cemeteries will be working with
us. A local monument dealer may also be available to demonstrate repair
and safe cleaning. The immediate past president of the Morgan County
Historic Preservation Society will also be on hand in the clean it
safely category.
The program of what we will really do, will depend on the response from
the Archeaology and Historic Preservation Division of the Indiana
Department of Natural Resources. We are waiting on their letter
concerning what we can do and cannot do of those things we planned to
do. My best guess right now is they may allow us to probe for stones,
but not unearth them; and have no objections to above ground
restorations. We'll see. I'll let you all know, when we receive DNR's
letter.
I wish one of our local builders had taken the time about 2 years ago to
ask some questions and do what was "right", instead of merely
building--on a very significant Native American site, maybe the most
significant site in Morgan County. By the time I saw what was going on
and contact was made with DNR it was too late to do anything--they [DNR]
said. So now when I drive by I always think that maybe the development
will end up the way the movie "Poltergist" ended. Hope the Senior
Citizens who own the doubles have enough advance warning--before their
homes are sucked back into the earth. I doubt they know they are living
on the site of a Native American village and burial site.
Sam Cline
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Clark County, Indiana Cemeteries Page:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/index.html
Volunteers are still needed to help with Francis Wells and
McClintick/Sylvester Cemeteries clean-up projects this spring.
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Hi everyone,
In a message dated 98-04-05 20:49:46 EDT, randyk(a)si-net.com writes:
<< My biggest problems is volunteers but we will keep plugging away... >>
Have you considered tying your project into the National Trust for
Historic Preservation's Preservation Week (second week of May)? Maybe this
would be a good way to get some volunteers interested. Check this site for
tips on how to get organized.
http://www.nthp.org/main/preservationweek/preservation_week.html
Hope this helps. Best of luck to you.
Katie Karrick
Not alot to report...starting to get discouraged as I am having trouble
getting volunteers. I do have a super volunteer in Ruth Cox Schlemmer
of West Harrison, Indiana who took on Whitewater Twp of Franklin County
as one of my captains. She is doing a super job with helping with out
cemetery listing. I am also getting great help from Kris Bain of
Indianapolis.
I have a speaking engagement to talk about the cemetery projects and
PCRP. If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it. I have
already received help from a couple of people.
My biggest problems is volunteers but we will keep plugging away...
Randy Klemme
Franklin County
Ron is correct Randy. And, the law says that NO PERSON may prevent or
cause to be prevented, the placement of a marker on the grave of an
American War Veteran, provided the marker is issued by, or approved by
the US Dept. of War. (now the DOD).
Scott Satterthwaite
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project State Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
Hi Randy,
I don't know if your county has one. But I would talk to the County
Veterans Affairs Officer. He or she is the one to apply for the marker.
They may want proof, (military papers from the National Archives). I
have never pursued this, but will for we have several civil war civilian
markers that have deteriated to rubble. It's a shame too, for these are
limestone markers with carvings of a soldier standing in front of tents,
flagpole and canon balls. The Government monuments are the Shield type
with name and unit. You can still get those or a bronze marker. Be nice
to repair the old markers and attach bronze to the back.
I would think they could get new goverment markers, if you have
cleaned cemetery or not. Maybe working with them and VFW or legion you
may get cemetery cleaned up. Show photos of the way old vet graves are
treated.
Ron...
Monroe County
Okay since we are dealing with the "shall" and "maybe" issue and since
Franklin County does not have a cemetery commission....then if we clean
the cemetery up can we apply for a veterans marker for these veterans
graves?
Randy Klemme
Franklin County
Up next on the agenda in Huntington Co; On April 13th, I will be
meeting for a representative of the county school board. She is
responsible for conducting the program for "exceptional children". We
will be discussing a program to conduct several field trips by 5th and
6th grade students of the program. We will be dooing a preliminary
cleanup and then the students will be introduced to the process of
mapping a cemetery and reading the markers. She is very exited about
the prospect as the students have just completed a section on Genealogy.
Other news: I have just accepted a new full time position with United
Technologies Automotive of Berne, IN, as "Business Systems Analyst". I
am responsible for all facets of business communications and data
systems.
This will make something new for me to work around but I am hoping it
doesn't effect my ability to devote time to the INPCRP.
Scott Satterthwaite
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project State Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
I got so busy with my 4/4/98 CCCPC meeting, I forgot to ask for roll-call.
I think most of you know the drill . . . send a message to the INPCRP list
about what restoration projects you've got planned or underway. Tell us
about your big and little successes, failures and obstacles.
Regards.
Lois
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Clark County, Indiana Cemeteries Page:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/index.html
Volunteers are still needed to help with Francis Wells and
McClintick/Sylvester Cemeteries clean-up projects this spring.
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We had an excellent turn-out for today's Clark County Cemetery Preservation
Committee meeting in Clarksville. Dan Johnson made an terrific presentation
on the art of stone repair.
Following the meeting, several of us visited four Clarksville
(Jeffersonville Twp.) cemeteries and I have updated all of those sites with
new information and what I think are some pretty darn good photos.
DAVID McBRIDE FAMILY CEMETERY:
Surnames: McBride and Ross
GRAYSON/LONG CEMETERY:
Surnames: Bishop, Collins, Davis, Grayson, Livingston,
Long, McComb, Phipps, Pitman, Stewart, Straw,
Trans, Walker, Williams
HALE FAMILY CEMETERY (a/k/a "Hale McBride Cemetery"):
Surnames: Hale, McCurdy, Taylor
STEWART CEMETERY:
Surnames: Adams, Benjamin, Beutel, Darkies/Darkis,
Dierking, Jackson, James, Lavey, Long, Kelley,
Maloney, Stewart
All of these can be accessed from the "What's New" section at:
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/index.html
Let me know if you encounter any broken links, etc.
Lois
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Clark County, Indiana Cemeteries Page:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/index.html
Volunteers are still needed to help with Francis Wells and
McClintick/Sylvester Cemeteries clean-up projects this spring.
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While in Ripply Co., Mo. I was able to obtain marble tiles that are used for bathroom floors. Out of these (for about 15 dollars a piece) I made grave markers and placed on some of our old family graves.
Now, is that permissable in Indiana. Most of the family grave markers in the Floyd Cem., Warick Co., Ind. need to be repaired or replaced badly before the graves are unidentifable.
Would you be able to give me information on wether or not it would be permissable to place this type of markers on the graves there?
A. B. Craig