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This message was posted to the INROOTS group. Thought someone on INPCRP
interested in Boone Co. would be interested.
Lois
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>From: James Lee Smith <jlsmith(a)FREENET.TLH.FL.US>
>To: INROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>Subject: Lowry Cemetery
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 14:39:08 +0000
>
>Here's a bit of encouraging news about cemeteries. I recently visited the
Lowry (Lowery) Cemetery in Jamestown, Boone County, looking for my
gggrandfather, John Harrison Lowry. The cemetery is in surprisingly
beautiful condition. It had been rescued from a state of neglect and abuse,
and is carefully maintained by the gentleman who lives next door to the
West. It is obvious that this man (I regretfully do not know his name) has
devoted time and money to the upkeep of this "Old Family Cemetery." My
thanks to him and to the others who have helped.
Larry Stephens raised a good point on INROOTS with his comment about
"Indiana law requires the township trustee to care for any 'abandoned'
cemetery" ("abandoned" meaning there is no formal association with a church
or organization/owner).
What many of you may not be aware of is that in 1997 our Legislature changed
the Indiana Code setting forth the Township Trustees' very specific
responsibilities to these cemeteries. The primary change was the addition
of the following language:
THIS CHAPTER DOES NOT APPLY TO A CEMETERY LOCATED ON LAND ON
WHICH PROPERTY TAXES ARE ASSESSED AND PAID UNDER IC 6-1.1-4.
IC 6-1.1-4 -- Procedures for Real Property Assessment -- can be reviewed at:
http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/97/title6/ar1.1/ch4.html
As I understand this change, the Township Trustees NO LONGER HAVE
RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY CEMETERY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I could be wrong, but
that's what it seems to say.
You can search for the full text of any Indiana law at
http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/search.html
However, below is the full text of Indiana Code 23, Article 14, Section 68:
CARE OF CEMETERIES BY TOWNSHIPS (effective 1997).
IC 23-14-68-1
Sec. 1.
(a) This chapter applies to each cemetery that:
(1) is without funds for maintenance;
(2) was in existence on February 28, 1939; and
(3) is operated by a nonprofit organization or is
not managed by any viable organization.
(b) This chapter does not apply to a cemetery located
on land on which property taxes are assessed and
paid under IC 6-1.1-4.
As added by P.L.52-1997, SEC.42.
IC 23-14-68-2
Sec. 2. The trustee of each township shall locate and
maintain all the cemeteries described in section 1(a) of
this chapter that are within the township. However, a
cemetery association claiming assistance under this chapter
shall furnish a verified statement of assets and liabilities
to the township trustee.
As added by P.L.52-1997, SEC.42.
IC 23-14-68-3
Sec. 3. For the purposes of this chapter, the maintenance
of a cemetery includes the following:
(1) Resetting and straightening all monuments.
(2) Leveling and seeding the ground.
(3) Constructing fences where there are none and
repairing existing fences.
(4) Destroying and cleaning up detrimental plants
(as defined in IC 15-3-4-1), noxious weeds, and
rank vegetation.
As added by P.L.52-1997, SEC.42.
IC 23-14-68-4
Sec. 4.
(a) The township shall appropriate enough money to provide
for the care, repair, and maintenance of each cemetery
described in section 1(a) of this chapter that is
located within the township. Funds shall be appropriated
under this subsection in the same manner as other township
appropriations.
(b) The township may levy a township cemetery tax to create
a fund for maintenance of cemeteries under this chapter.
If a fund has not been provided for maintenance of
cemeteries under this chapter, part of the township fund
may be used.
As added by P.L.52-1997, SEC.42.
IC 23-14-68-5
Sec. 5. A township trustee who fails to perform the trustee's
duties under this chapter commits a Class C infraction.
As added by P.L.52-1997, SEC.42.
Other Code sections that may be of interest include:
CHAPTER 65. CITY AND TOWN CEMETERIES
CHAPTER 66. CARE OF CEMETERIES BY THIRD CLASS CITIES AND TOWNS
CHAPTER 67. CARE OF CEMETERIES BY COUNTIES
CHAPTER 68. CARE OF CEMETERIES BY TOWNSHIPS
CHAPTER 69. ESTABLISHMENT OF PUBLIC CEMETERIES BY TOWNSHIPS
CHAPTER 70. TRUSTS FOR CEMETERY ASSOCIATIONS
CHAPTER 71. UNION CHAPEL CEMETERY ASSOCIATION
CHAPTER 72. ANNEXATION OF UNINCORPORATED CEMETERY
CHAPTER 73. GRAVE MARKERS OF DECEASED SOLDIERS
CHAPTER 74. CEMETERY FENCES AND UPKEEP
CHAPTER 75. EMINENT DOMAIN ACQUISITION OF CEMETERY LAND
All of these statutes are accessible from the Access Indiana URL noted above.
Lois
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>From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl(a)INDIANA.EDU>
>To: INROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>Subject: Who cares for old cemeteries?
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:48:00 +0000
>
>I didn't read every post, so forgive me if this is old news.
>
>Indiana law requires the township trustee to care for any "abandoned"
>cemetery (at least according to my cousin, who is a trustee),
>"abanadoned" meaning there is no formal association with a church or
>organization/owner.
>
>Indiana law also forbids a property owner from preventing access to a
>cemetery on their property, although some of them can be difficult about
>it.
>
>I haven't looked, but I'll bet there is also a law on the books
>forbidding desecration of a cemetery - plowing it under.
>
>Trustees, though, are low on the political totem pole and funds are
>sometimes scarce. As far as I can tell the trustee in our township
>hasn't done a thing to preserve cemeteries here.
>
>One way to attack this problem is to publicize it. Try writing to your
>local papers and invite them to look at weed-filled, forgotten burial
>places and see if they will get on the bandwagon.
>
>It concerns me. Many times these cemeteries are the only link we have
>with the past. There's one within eyesight of my house, but getting the
>neighbor to care for it won't happen, and I don't think the trustee
>will, either, without some pressure.
>
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We need YOU on the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project
e-mail discussion group. For details, visit:
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
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Clark County, Indiana Cemeteries Page:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/index.html
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The following is the e-mail message I just send to my State Representative.
After you read the story at the URL mentioned in the message, I urge you to
do the same. If you don't live in Indiana, I recommend you track down the
e-mail address of YOUR Representatives and Senators and let them know how
you feel about the neglect, apathy and abuse being heaped on pioneer
cemeteries in this country.
The Indiana State Representatives' e-mail address can be found at:
http://www.ai.org/cgi-bin/legislative/legislator_list.cgi
Our State Senators do not have e-mail addresses listed.
To really understand how disturbing I find this, you need to know about the
story that ran in last week's Ludington (Michigan) newspaper about a
columnist from that paper who stopped by Pigeon Roost Cemetery (scene of a
very large massacre) near Scottsburg, Indiana and found the intricate,
hand-made steel cross of Harrison Vest protruding from a trash heap at the
cemetery. The writer has over the last 40 years frequently stopped at
Pigeon Roost and often admired this steel cross. He rescued the cross from
the garbage and shipped it back to his home in Michigan. He's offered to
provide it to any descendant family member of Harrison Vest or the custodian
of Pigeon Roost Cemetery but promises the lovely, handmade cross will enjoy
a place of honor in his home if it is not claimed. A far sight better than
being thrown out in the trash!
Then, today, I read about the situation described below of an abandoned,
neglected 19th Century pioneer cemetery in Madison County, Indiana with 35
graves (including 4 Civil War veterans) where the hillside in which they are
buried has eroded to the point where human remains are protruding from the
newly-exposed face of the hill.
It's nearly 1 AM and I should be in bed. Got a big day at work tomorrow.
But this mess has me so upset, I don't know if I'll ever get to sleep.
Lois Mauk
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Dear Rep. Bottorff:
You and I have communicated in the past about the buck-passing that plagues
the hundreds (maybe thousands) of abandoned and neglected pioneer cemeteries
in Indiana.
Yesterday's Indianapolis Star/News ran a story about a Madison County,
Indiana pioneer cemetery containing the graves of approximately 35 people,
including 4 Civil War veterans, at which severe erosion has "suddenly" begun
exposing 19th Century human remains! I understand the story has also been
running on the Indianapolis television stations.
I HIGHLY recommend you visit the Indianapolis Star/News site at:
http://www.starnews.com/news/metrostate/98/jan/0112SN_bones.html
The Green Township Trustee in Madison County says in that story, "The
exposed bones go beyond my power as a trustee. We maintain abandoned
cemeteries, but we're talking about restoration. We're not talking about
mowing a few weeds. I don't even have a cemetery budget except for $1,000
for mowing. We even use my husband's tractor."
The Chairman of the Madison County Cemetery Commission -- one of the FEW
Cemetery Commissions in this State that have been fortunate enough to
actually get a few dollars out of their County Council -- estimates that it
will cost $75,000 to $100,000 to build a retaining wall and restore the
headstones and graves. Trust me, the MCCC gets a little token budget from
its County Council -- enough to pay for some materials and supplies. All
the labor of the 5 Commission members and other volunteers is donated. Even
if they had the funds to do the job, the MCCC Chairman says that entity
"can't be spending public money on private land."
The property owner wants to "donate" the eroding cemetery to the County
Cemetery Commission. Yeah, right. That's the answer! NOT!!! If the MCCC
doesn't have the money to do anything to save this site, what more could
they do if she "donates" it to the MCCC?
Mr. Bottorff, the real TRAGEDY here is that exact same scenario can happen
at any moment in any Township, in any County in the State. Sadly, the
situation is not even unique to Indiana. Thanks to the recent changes in
Indiana laws, the Township Trustees no longer have to lift a finger for an
abandoned and neglected cemetery UNLESS IT IS ON TOWNSHIP PROPERTY. If it's
on private property, the Trustees don't have to do a blasted thing.
Of course, our laws make it possible for the property owners to escape all
responsibility for protecting/maintaining these cemeteries. And, to top it
all off, the County doesn't have to do a thing. And, then, all of a sudden,
we have a problem of Civil War veterans' bones protruding from the eroded
vertical surface of the cemetery.
The owners of the adjacent property in this situation say they "come across
rib cages and other bones of the veterans and their families almost daily."
Can you believe this is happening?
Please, sir. Is there ANYTHING that can be done about this ungodly mess?
The problem is NOT going to go away. The situation in Madison County is a
PRIME example of what happens when property owners, Township Trustees and
the County do NOTHING! "Nothing" hasn't worked! It's time to DO SOMETHING.
I just can't believe that this situation exists in the first place! It
simply is beyond my comprehension! Surely someone in state government can
do something to help us. Relying on the property owners, the counties and
the townships sure ain't the answer! Most of them aren't going to do a
gosh-darn thing unless the State FORCES them to DO THE RIGHT THING!
I feel you are sympathetic to this subject, given that your family has been
here in Southern Indiana for nearly 200 years. I hope you can find time to
discuss this situation with your colleagues and to propose legislation to
put an end to the abuse and neglect being heaped upon these pioneer graves.
We desperately need your help.
Thank you for your time.
Lois Mauk
Jeffersonville, Indiana
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We need YOU on the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project
e-mail discussion group. For details, visit:
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
----------------------------------------
Clark County, Indiana Cemeteries Page:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/index.html
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Thanks Charles. I didn't see the report but I hope someone has details
they can share with us. Channel 8 is WISH-TV and their e-mail address
is "wishmail(a)wishtv.com". I checked their page for any indications on
this but they just give the major headlines.
So if anyone has any further info on this cemetery, please share it with
the rest of us.
I need someone else to jump on this on. I am already involved with
another station in Ft. Wayne and can't cross the affiliation bounderies.
--
Scott Satterthwaite
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project State Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
Huntington County InGenWeb Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/HiGenWeb.html
Huntington County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/hibios/huntbios.html
Well County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/webios/
Did you see the 6pm news cast on channel # 8 TV Indianapolis showing the
cemetery that had bones sticking out of the ground??? There were civel
war veterans buried there, it was a Pioneer Cemetery. The county
commissioners were refusing to restore it. I didn't catch the name of
the county, maybe one of you did??
Scott ,I think its time that we hit the TV 8 with a bunch of
horror stories Iincluding the one that they did in Decatur County a few
years ago and say that Decatur County Commissioners HAS NOT done anything
to correct the problems here, they still refuse to appoint any Cemetery
Commissioners to take care of such problems. The township trustees will
not take care of the problems. This is the case in many counties in
Indiana
Say that we need the state represenatives and state senators to
change the law. Tell them if we had just one word changed in the law ,
we could stop most of this from happening.
This is ont that the Pioneer Cemetery Group should jump on with
both feet. If someone could come up with the E-mail address for Channel
# 8 TV Indianapolis, then we could hit them with a bunch of complaints
and maybe some one could send pictures in the E-mais?
WARCHIEF4(a)JUNO.COM CHARLES
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of my money back. I just said, "Okay, you folks
>>got my $250, and now I'm going to have $250 worth of fun." I told
herthat I
was going to see to it that every cookie lover in the United
States with an E-mail account has a $250 cookie recipe from
Neiman-Marcus ... for free! She replied, "I wish you wouldn't do
this."
I said, "well, you should have thought of that before you ripped me
off," and slammed down the phone on her.
So, here it is!!! Please, please, please pass it on to everyone
you can possibly think of. I paid $250 for this ... I don't want
Neiman-Marcus to EVER get another penny off this recipe . . .
(Recipe may be halved):
2 cups butter
4 cups flour
2 tsp. bicarbonate of soda
2 cups white sugar
5 cups blended oatmeal**
24 oz. chocolate chips
2 cups brown sugar
1 tsp. salt
1 8 oz. Hershey Bar (grated) or equivalent
4 eggs
2 tsp. baking powder
2 tsp. vanilla
3 cups chopped nuts (your choice)
**Measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder. Cream the
butter & both sugars. Add eggs & vanilla; mix together with flour,
oatmeal, salt, baking powder & soda. Add chocolate chips, Hershey bar &
nuts. Roll into balls & place two inches apart on a cookie sheet. Bake
for 10 minutes at 375F or 190C degrees. Makes 112 cookies.
Have fun!!! This is NOT a joke --- this is a true story. Ride free,
citizens! Just a little something to enjoy!
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Lois
I think that the article about Pigeons Creek Cem. should be
given to the A.P. and get it circulated around (specially) Indiana and in
a way that it will show the apathy, disrespect and the Dishonor that
this state and it's elected officials have showed for our Heroic and
Historic ancestors.
The The people from the Pigeons Creek Massacre is buried there
and is a historical site. Why hasn't a historical society done something
about the restoration and maintainace . The same goes for the cemetery
and replica of the Buchannen Blockhouse just W. of Cross Plains.
I think I said something about the Poor Farm Cemetery around
Cross Plains that they ussed roadgraders to cut the top off the cemetery.
A man told me that it stunk so bad that the people made the county
commis. put LIME on the ground to kill the stink.
Charles == WARCHIEF
Following is a message I received this morning from Dave Petersen in
Michigan. Since this morning, I have spoken with TIM SPRINGSTUN, a Scott
County Extension Service educator, who coordinates the Scottsburg Master
Gardener Club, which recently cleaned up historic Pigeon Roost Cemetery,
just north of Underwood, in Scott County, Indiana.
Mr. Springstun has provided me with a contact for the Pigeon Roost Cemetery
and I have forwarded that information to Bob Sculley, a columnist for the
Ludington, Michigan Daily News, who reported as follows in his 1/8/98 column
(quoted here in pertinent part) about his visit to Pigeon Roost:
"There at the site, sticking up crookedly from a pile of
cemetery rubbish, was a rusted steel cross. . . The pile
of debris had collected on the far side of the cemetery.
. . . it was the same strap steel cross I had mentioned
in two feature articles over the past 40 years. . . It
was projecting from a piled collection of faded plastic
flowers, broken urns, slabs of broken Styrofoam, grass
clippings and raked debris. . . The rusted and battered
cross is 40-1/2 inches tall, 23-1/2 inches wide. Its
cross-members are secured by four rivets.
"But its most notable feature is a delicate filigree of
tiny holes punched or drilled through the steel that
spell out the words: 'At Rest -- Harrison VEST."
"After rescuing the steel cross, I sent it back to my
home in Ludington [Michigan]. . . . I will use the U.S.
mails to try to locate the secretary of the Pigeon Roost
Cemetery.
"I would like to know more about the life and times of
Harrison VEST. Even more, I would like to know about
the person who created that cross. If, in the course
of this inquiry, any kin [of Harrison VEST] wants the
steel cross, we will ship it to them. But I hope they
will allow me to provide my lifetime care of it. To me,
it is not only a deserved memorial to the deceased
Harrison VEST, but even more so to the caring person
who created it."
If you'd like to read the entire article, Dave Petersen scanned it for me
and sent it to me by e-mail. The image quality is not really good, but the
article can be found at:
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/5881/pigeonroostcem.html
Warning: This is a LARGE graphics file and it will take a couple of minutes
to load. The quality is not real high, but hopefully it will be legible for
you. A lot of that depends on the quality of your video card and/or printer.
If you are interested in contacting the writer, Bob Sculley, please contact
me and I will provide you with an e-mail address and/or phone number for the
Ludington Daily News that I found on the Internet.
Lois Mauk
>From: "Dave Petersen" <Amberrose(a)lakeshore.net>
>To: <lawofficeinformationsystem(a)worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: Harrison vest Cross
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 08:35:18 +0000
>
>hi Lois,
>
>In our paper tonight one of our local columnist wrote an article about
>stopping at the Pigeon Roost cemetary and finding that the cross of
>Harrison Vest had been uprooted and placed in the trash.
>He has picked it up and shipped it home to Ludington, Michigan.
>
>I know Bob, the columnist, he's an older gentleman with a love for history
>and he wrote a nice article about this handmade cross and his concern for
>finding it in the condition that it was in the day they stopped at the
>cemetary, he noted in his article that he wanted to find the curator of
>this cemetary.
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Randy,
To be honest, it sound a lot like the lip service I have received in
response to e-mail on the subject. "not now, maybe later". All of the
reps had to know about the dirty little secret re-write of IC23-14 and
none of the reps I have e-mail mentioned it in their responses to me
either. We have to keep trying though.
I hope I am wrong. I hope something really does happen for the better.
We could use a little sunshine on this project about now.
--
Scott Satterthwaite
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project State Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
Huntington County InGenWeb Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/HiGenWeb.html
Huntington County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/hibios/huntbios.html
Well County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/webios/
I received this message today from the statehouse...Would like to get
everyone's opinion or see if you received a similar message in response
to all of the e-mail we sent to all the state representatives...
Randy Klemme
Franklin County
Dear Mr. Klemme:
Thank you contacting Rep. Bischoff's office regarding neglected
cemeteries
in Franklin County.
Rest assured that your message did not get lost in the shuffle. I
finally
had the opportunity to sit down with rep. Bischoff yesterday and let him
throughly review your message. He would like to sponsor the legislation
that you wrote about in your message. However, he felt that the best
opportunity for gaining passage of the bill would come in the 1999
Legislative Session because the realm of issues broadens due to the
longer
length of the Session. Further, they are limited to five bills during
the
short session and he is already committed to five.
Therefore, I ask that you contact either myself or someone else in the
Representative's office later on this year in late October and provide a
helpful reminder about this issue.
If you would like to contact my office via telephone, the toll-free # is
800/382-9842 ext. 9642.
Thank you for caring about this issue enough to bring it to our
attention!
Sincerely,
Jeremy P. Gooch
Legislative Assistant
Indiana House of Representatives
(317) 232-9642
I have taken a some time to read through the new cemetery laws.
Basically, what has happened is this: ALL the old laws that were on the
books in Indiana Code, Title 23, Article 14 have been repealed. A new
set of laws has been laid down and there are some very important changes
that we need to be aware of:
The two biggest changes are from IC 23-14-67 and 68. 67 is "Care of
cemeteries by Counties". Here is where the power to restore and
preserve cemeteries now lies. The wording of the law is still flawed in
that the use of the word "MAY" in authorizing a county to establish a
cemetery commission still exists. 68 has changed the responsibility of
the township trustees. The TT no longer has any responsibility for any
cemetery except Public cemeteries that are owned by the towship. The TT
has no authority to do anything to cemeteries on private ground.
Pioneer cemeteries can be cared for under chapter 68 by the a Cemetery
commissinon if the county commissioners decide to appoint one. So, our
only hope here of doing anything to protect these Pioneer cemeteries is
to get our county commissioners to appoint a cemetery commission. As it
stands now, a cemetery on private ground is without legal protection of
any kind. It can be LEGALLY destroyed.
We have a lot of work to do. One step forward and three steps back.
--
Scott Satterthwaite
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project State Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
Huntington County InGenWeb Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/HiGenWeb.html
Huntington County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/hibios/huntbios.html
Well County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/webios/
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It's entirely too quiet on this list and there was very little response to
last week's roll call. Maybe this will wake things up a bit.
I'm not looking for scary ghost stories -- instead, I'd like to hear your
"horror stories" about neglected, abandoned pioneer cemeteries.
Tell us about the state and condition of the worst cemetery/cemeteries in
your area, what brought about the present condition of the site(s), whether
or not it will be possible to save the site(s) and what it will involve to
restore the site(s). Please be reasonably specific (county, etc.), but
exact location/directions are not required at this juncture.
Lois
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Hi Louis and everyone:
I'm here in body if not in spirit. There are many things starting to
happen with Huntington County cemeteries, some good, some not so good.
I am looking into a Public Notice I saw in last Sunday's edition of the
Huntington Herald-Press. It seems the local School Corporation has
filed suit against a bunch of dead people and their heirs. Now what do
you suppose that would be about? HMMM.
I haven't found the cemetery yet and I don't now many details but it
sure sounds like they are trying to condemn a property that is or at
least contains a cemetery. As I read the list of names in the notice
aloud, some of my family recognized them as being dead some 40 years
now. It may not exactly be a pioneer cemetery, but I want to make sure
it isn't just "dozed" and forgotten. Of course, they were gracious
enough to give these individuals 30 days to speak up! Now, where do we
meet for the seance? When I find out more about this little scam I'll
let you know. I hope this isn't about a cemetery but I'm more than a
little suspicious.
--
Scott Satterthwaite
Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project State Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/inpcrp/
Huntington County InGenWeb Coordinator
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/HiGenWeb.html
Huntington County Biographies
http://www.citznet.com/~ssattert/hibios/huntbios.html
Well County Biographies
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