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Thanks for replying......Isaac Scott went to upper New York and founded a
town and called it Scottsville, think it is in Ostego Co., New York
In a message dated 12/21/2010 4:20:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
vwhite0901(a)aol.com writes:
I just finally found my Other Scott info and their isn't any information
on any Isaac Scott listed in all my paperwork. Sorry I couldn't be of more
help.
Remembering that my SCOTT line for OH, they were said to have had 14
children.....and I have still have some that aren't accounted for as well. I do
have one that stayed in OH, the other 9 came to Owen Co.IN....one of those
I'm not sure is even ours. So I am still missing 4 possibly 5 children of
theirs.
Nancy
N.J.SkinnerWhite
vwhite0901(a)aol.com
"Remember the days of old; consider the generations long
past."(Deuteronomy 32:7a)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: Indiana Owen Rootsweb <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:44 am
Subject: [INOWEN] Fw: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra
Jones
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:11 AM
Sandra,
Here's what I have - somewhat dubious.
Samuel Scott and Milly Foster had a son William N. B. Scott (what do the
middle
initials stand for?). 1821-1868. His wife was Zorilda Wood 1830 - 1857.
One
of their children was Isaac, (perhaps a twin of Willis S.) born 1848 and
died
before 1865.
The only one of the children of William N. B. Scott & Zorilda Wood that I
have
firm dates is Harriet Emerine Scott, 1827-1867. We have seen her
tombstone with
her mother in the Hicks Cemetery in Owen County, IN. If you think this
Isaac
might be the person you were seeking, let me know.
Nancy Skinner White: Do you have any Isaac Scott in your family?
Sandra, there are two Scott lines in Owen County fairly early, one came
from VA
(ours) in the 1820s, and also early one came from OH (family
traced by Nancy Skinner White). These two families occasionally came
close
together as in-laws. A third family named Scott, African Americans, came
to
Owen County in the late 1800s. We have not shown connection with that
family to
the other two.
Happy hunting!
nancy
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From: SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Scott Family
To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names
in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
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Do you have any dates for Isaac Scott?
I am doing research for a friend in that county and surrounding area of New York for the name Cornell. If you have anyone by that name, please let me know.
nancy
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From: SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Fw: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 1:48 AM
Thanks for replying......Isaac Scott went to upper New York and founded a
town and called it Scottsville, think it is in Ostego Co., New York
In a message dated 12/21/2010 4:20:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
vwhite0901(a)aol.com writes:
I just finally found my Other Scott info and their isn't any information
on any Isaac Scott listed in all my paperwork. Sorry I couldn't be of more
help.
Remembering that my SCOTT line for OH, they were said to have had 14
children.....and I have still have some that aren't accounted for as well. I do
have one that stayed in OH, the other 9 came to Owen Co.IN....one of those
I'm not sure is even ours. So I am still missing 4 possibly 5 children of
theirs.
Nancy
N.J.SkinnerWhite
vwhite0901(a)aol.com
"Remember the days of old; consider the generations long
past."(Deuteronomy 32:7a)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: Indiana Owen Rootsweb <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:44 am
Subject: [INOWEN] Fw: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra
Jones
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:11 AM
Sandra,
Here's what I have - somewhat dubious.
Samuel Scott and Milly Foster had a son William N. B. Scott (what do the
middle
initials stand for?). 1821-1868. His wife was Zorilda Wood 1830 - 1857.
One
of their children was Isaac, (perhaps a twin of Willis S.) born 1848 and
died
before 1865.
The only one of the children of William N. B. Scott & Zorilda Wood that I
have
firm dates is Harriet Emerine Scott, 1827-1867. We have seen her
tombstone with
her mother in the Hicks Cemetery in Owen County, IN. If you think this
Isaac
might be the person you were seeking, let me know.
Nancy Skinner White: Do you have any Isaac Scott in your family?
Sandra, there are two Scott lines in Owen County fairly early, one came
from VA
(ours) in the 1820s, and also early one came from OH (family
traced by Nancy Skinner White). These two families occasionally came
close
together as in-laws. A third family named Scott, African Americans, came
to
Owen County in the late 1800s. We have not shown connection with that
family to
the other two.
Happy hunting!
nancy
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Scott Family
To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names
in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
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On Indiana Owen Rootsweb we have been ranging about through
many years of travel to and from and within Owen County. We have spoken of crossing rivers during immigration, taking production to Mississippi by flatboats, coming upriver by steamboat or walking, and moving in on foot, on horseback, and by covered wagon. We have covered about fifty years of history, more or less, and a lot of geography. We have learned about every bit of
lateral water in the county. We have named many familiar names with their Owen County intersections.
Here are three things that have come to the surface: 1.) where the earliest immigrants entered Indiana from Kentucky; 2.) whether they came by road or by river, and 3.) a description of the narrows; 4.) flatboat commerce.
1. "As early as 1808 Frederick
Mauck had begun to operate a ferry across the Ohio, between Mauckport and Brandenbug, Kentucky, and at this point settlers poured into Indiana from Kentucky and the Carolinas for the next fifteen years [1808-1825]....Downriver, other immigrants from the South were crossing into Warrick County at or near Rockport, which is now in Spencer County, or dropping still farther downstream to McFadden's Landing (now Mount Vernon)...."
INDIANA: A HISTORY by William E. Wilson, Indiana University Press, Bloomington 1966.
2.) Road or river or both? On the road map start at Louisville and follow the Ohio River southwest. Brandenburg is in Harrison County [where the Light family lived before moving to Owen Co.] and Mauckport is not far downriver (south of Wyandott Woods). From Mauckport follow the river, which goes north at that point, up to Leavenworth, where other immigrants disembarked. Continue quite aways downriver and come to Rockport just before you reach Owensboro, KY. From there go on past Evansville and Henderson.
Way out to the SW tip of Indiana you will find Mount Vernon,the site of McFadden's Landing.
When you look at the map, it seems quite reasonable to suppose that Mary's ancestors, coming up from McFadden's Landing would have made their way with their covered wagons north to the Wabash River and followed it to the White River, then along the White River to Owen County. Mary Orman Gardner writes,
"There must have been a trail that was used by many who were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find
myself looking at maps and wondering
just how my Cagle's, Comer's, and Orman's came
to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I
drive across the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in the ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer! Just after the 1870 census, several Orman's and their cousins' families left Marion Twp., Owen County, IN for the Independence, Montgomery County,
Kansas area. Around 1878/1879 before Andrew Orman b
1808 died, in 1879, some of his sons
families came back to Owen/Clay County! William, Jasper
and maybe one other, returned home. The
stories passed down thru Jasper Orman's family, was that they
walked behind a wagon all the way! William and his
family, wife was Patia Mishler, returned to Kansas and then on down to Washington Co., Arkansas still walking and this return trip was made sometime before the 1900 census."
>From the time of the first move in 1831c to the later move back into Owen County 1878c, and then again in 1900, the roads must have been quite different each time, the wagons rolling more smoothly and the walking easier, perhaps.
Janice Enk writes of the family whose young man went on a side trip over to the Mississippi and on up to St. Louis, while the family waited at McFadden's Landing. He never rejoined
them.
One of the branches of the White River runs
through Owen County. It flows into the Wabash River, which flows into the Ohio.
Janice writes, "I can remember my Grandmother Florence Jones, who was Florence Sloan, telling her family moved to Arkansas, where she was born, and they wanted to come back to Indiana and they had to wait until the Mississippi River
froze over to get across. She said it was a few days before they could
cross and they had a wagon and built a fire. While they were waiting
to cross her uncle, who was a young lad of about 17, went back into St. Louis
and they never heard from him again. They waited several days for him.
He liked to gamble and they figure he was murdered by a group after his
money. This of course was all told to her after she was older, because
she was only a toddler when they came back.... My grandma
lived to be 103, in sound mind...."
Another family tells of coming to Owen County by pirogue, the large canoe-type boat used by Lewis and Clark. The
pioneers who came north from Rockport or Mauckburg
may well have hacked their way overland.
Reports tell of families moving from Virginia and the Carolinas in the 1820s walking with their belongings on horseback. Later
when roads had been cut through more would have come with covered wagons. Where have I filed the map of early Indiana roads? By the way, we were reminded that the whole of the river itself is in Kentucky, so they weren't in Indiana until they hit dry land. Then they walked beside their laden horses or wagons, or propelled pirogues up river, a long, long, long way to Owen County.
3.) The Narrows is a portion of the White River valley between Ramona and Spencer. David Beam gave this reference to it. Proceedings of the annual meeting of the Indiana Academy of Science, Volume 24, pages 418-419. "At this point it is
deemed advisable to give some attention to White River near the lower end of Flatwoods. Collet in his report on the geology of Owen County makes note of the *extreme narrowness of the White River valley between Romona and Spencer. He accounts for "*The Narrows*", as this very constricted portion of the
river valley is called, by asserting that this portion
of the valley is new, having been formed since the Illinois glaciation". The "Narrows" north of Spencer are mentioned a number of times in the book COUNTIES OF CLAY AND OWEN, INDIANA, which also includes a description of the narrows at Cataract Falls.
4.) Flatboat commerce: I regret that I don't have a source for this. My copy says only: "We clip the following from the Owen county Journal: Samuel Folson was in Mississippi "until the spring of 1827, then took the steamboat at Natchez, Mississippi, for the upper country....On the boat I fell in company with Captain John Johnson, Daniel Harris and Stephen Bigger, of Owen county, Indiana...[who] pictured the White river country
off so well that I concluded to come with him. We left the steamboat at
Leavenworth, on the Ohio River, and walked all the way from there to
White river, Owen County, crossing that river a little below where
Freedom now is. I located on the farm now owned by John Ritter, which I bought from Captain John Johnson, one of my nearest neighbors...."
Water,
water, everywhere, but they walked all the way to Owen County. This
does document flatboats going down the
Mississippi to market and their return north to Owen County by steamboat or walking back. It is surprising to note how early this steamboat trip was made.
Conclusion: The INOWEN rootsweb has a lively, helpful group of genealogists. Thanks again, and happy hunting!
nancy
I just finally found my Other Scott info and their isn't any information on any Isaac Scott listed in all my paperwork. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Remembering that my SCOTT line for OH, they were said to have had 14 children.....and I have still have some that aren't accounted for as well. I do have one that stayed in OH, the other 9 came to Owen Co.IN....one of those I'm not sure is even ours. So I am still missing 4 possibly 5 children of theirs.
Nancy
N.J.SkinnerWhite
vwhite0901(a)aol.com
"Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past."(Deuteronomy 32:7a)
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: Indiana Owen Rootsweb <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:44 am
Subject: [INOWEN] Fw: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:11 AM
Sandra,
Here's what I have - somewhat dubious.
Samuel Scott and Milly Foster had a son William N. B. Scott (what do the middle
initials stand for?). 1821-1868. His wife was Zorilda Wood 1830 - 1857. One
of their children was Isaac, (perhaps a twin of Willis S.) born 1848 and died
before 1865.
The only one of the children of William N. B. Scott & Zorilda Wood that I have
firm dates is Harriet Emerine Scott, 1827-1867. We have seen her tombstone with
her mother in the Hicks Cemetery in Owen County, IN. If you think this Isaac
might be the person you were seeking, let me know.
Nancy Skinner White: Do you have any Isaac Scott in your family?
Sandra, there are two Scott lines in Owen County fairly early, one came from VA
(ours) in the 1820s, and also early one came from OH (family
traced by Nancy Skinner White). These two families occasionally came close
together as in-laws. A third family named Scott, African Americans, came to
Owen County in the late 1800s. We have not shown connection with that family to
the other two.
Happy hunting!
nancy
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Scott Family
To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
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David,
What is the look of the "Narrows". Is it Rock?
Mary
In a message dated 12/20/2010 5:28:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
beamgen(a)gmail.com writes:
Someone mentioned "The Narrows". I found a document on Google Books
called
*Proceedings of the annual meeting of the Indiana Academy of Science,
Volume
24* . On pages 418-419 of that publication it states "At this point it is
deemed advisable to give some attention to White River near the lower end
of
Flatwoods. Collet in his report on the geology of Owen County makes note
of
the *extreme narrowness of the White River valley between Romona and
Spencer
*. He accounts for "*The Narrows*", as this very constricted portion of
the
river valley is called, by asserting that this portion of the valley is
new,
having been formed since the Illinois glaciation". Added the emphasis.
The
"Narrows" is also mentioned a number of times in the book *Counties of Clay
and Owen, Indiana*.
David
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:16 PM, <inowen-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: River running through Owen Co (Jo Cluck)
> 2. Re: Thank you Volunteers (Mary2gard(a)aol.com)
> 3. Re: Thank you Volunteers (N.J.SkinnerWhite)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:38:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jo Cluck <djcluck(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <363684.55182.qm(a)web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Thank you, Nancy. I know Brown County has a lot of data on T.C. Steele,
> but
> since the location is not all that far from Owen County, I was just
> curious.
> Have a Merry Christmas.
> Jo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 8:58:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
>
> I have wondered the same thing, but I do not have the answer. We have
> visited
> the T. C. Steele site. As I recall, however, he came to Brown County
from
> the
> east, looking for a lovely spot to paint, and was not in Indiana so early
> as our
> pioneer Ninian Steele. I'll see if I can find that story.
> nancy
>
> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Jo Cluck <djcluck(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jo Cluck <djcluck(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 11:40 PM
>
> I have to ask...is this the same Steele family who has an art studio over
> near
> Nashville in Brown County? I have some great paintings from Brown Co.
and
> just
>
> wondered. Thanks.
>
>
> Jo Cluck
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Morrel <morcor(a)comcast.net>
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 2:43:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
>
>
> Craig, The church was near Spencer. The following description is from
>
>
http://www2.indianahistory.org/library/manuscripts/collection_guides/F058...
>
>
> Bethany Presbyterian Church was founded in 1820 in Owen County, Indiana,
> near
> Spencer. At first the church met in the home of Ninian Steele, then in a
> log
> building. After four or five years the building was moved eighty rods,
then
> rebuilt and used until 1873. At that time, a new frame building was
> erected, and
>
> the old building rented as a dwelling. In the 1870s the congregation
> dwindled
> because two groups of communicants moved west, one to Iowa and the other
to
> Texas. There was a centennial celebration in 1920.
>
>
> There are extensive session records for the congregation beginning on 20
> March
> 1820.
>
>
> John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:24:27 -0500 (EST)
> From: Mary2gard(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
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>
> Where is Rockport? There must have been a trail that was used by many who
> were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find myself looking at
> maps and wondering just how my Cagle's, Comer's,
> and Orman's came to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I drive across
> the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and
> woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in
> the
> ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer!!
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank You to all the folks
who
> have been participating in the discussion of the Dunn Family this week.
I
> am so proud of the folks who will reply to queries posted on here!
> Volunteers! Aren't we blessed that the "Old Librarians" at the Spencer
> Library and
> the Clay County Genealogical Society, had the for site to collect
> Genealogy
> Data before it became such a large hobby! I remember back about 1973
> finding a 3 X 5 index card identifying Mary Fiscus as a daughter of Amos
> Lawson
> and Rebecca Aynes in the Spencer Library! Boy! Would I like to get a
copy
> of that old card, because I have no other information about Mary Lawson!
>
> When you talk about copies of the Travis HISTORY of CLAY COUNTY, the Clay
> County Genealogical Society have both Volumn's on one CD available for
> purchase! It has an every name index!
>
> Mary Orman Gardner
> Decatur, GA
>
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:16:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
>
> Thanks. I have found some of the Dunn story on page 557 of OWEN COUNTY,
> INDIANA 1884, which I think is the same book, or the second part of the
> same
> book. Yes, it does say the women ran the ferry. Good for them!
> I have been working on the Scotts and all their connections from that
book
> for a long time. We do all finally connect someway, if we work at it
long
> enough! I had found that story of Samuel Scott's family coming into
Owen
> County in December, but no indication of where they crossed the Ohio or
> how
> they did it. They may have crossed by ferry. Many of the pioneers
came
> into IN at Rockport, I have read.
> nancy
> Happy hunting! nancy
>
> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
> and Kids
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
>
>
>
> Hello Nancy,
>
> The river in the story is the White river. My John Dunn was the first
man
> to run a ferry over it. Actually, as you read the account you see that
his
> wife and daughters actually did most of the ferry work. :) And their
son,
> John R. K. Dunn was the first white child born in what became Owen
County.
> :)
>
> You may want to go to google books and read this book for yourself.
There
> is a Samuel Scott mentioned a few times and there are other Scotts
> mentioned too. :) Maybe they are your kinfolk???
>
> I entered the surname Scott in the book's search engine and the surname
> came up with 54 hits :) There are several people with the surname
Scott,
> and
> there is a Samuel Scott mentined too. It also mentions a 'Scott
> Settlement"
>
> Here is the link for the page of search results:
>
> Here's the tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/28gl2wm
>
> and here's the original url
>
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=1VLWAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=countie
>
>
s+of+clay+and+owen+indiana&hl=en&ei=JCAOTYDPGpHGsAPendHDCg&sa=X&oi=book_resu
> lt&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=scott&f=false
>
> If the links dont' work for some reason, go to google.com, then click
on,
> the word 'more' on the toolbar. Then click on books in the dropdown
menu.
> Then enter Counties Of Clay and Owen Indiana. It brings up search
results.
> Click on the one that has the kind of orangish book cover. The link
says:
> Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana: Historical and Biographical....
>
> Hope this is your Samuel Scott. :)
>
> Barb
> >>>>
>
> Is "the river" in your story the Ohio River,
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which
years
> the
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
> the
> tory.
> ancy <<<<
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
> To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 12:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
> and Kids
>
>
> Wonderful story. Samuel & Milly (Foster) Scott are said to have come
> into Owen
> ounty in December 1820 (1821), and we always wondered how they came.
Your
> tory gives a likely explanation. Is "the river" in your story the Ohio
> River,
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which
years
> the
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
> the
> tory.
> ancy
> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
> and
> ids
> o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> ate: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:28 AM
>
> ello Again, Connie,
> I was just reading information from the book, "Counties Of Clay And Owen
> ndiana.
> It mentions that Margaret Carr Dunn (John Dunn and Margaret Carr's
> daughter) was
> years old when they came to the territory in February of 1817. So that
> would
> ive her birth year approximately 1811. It also mentions that their son,
> Samuel
> . was 13 years of age which would put his birth year as 1804. The author
> of
> his section was James W. Archer, who was John & Margaret's grandson.
> Here's how the passage reads:
> "On the 5th day of February, 1817, John Dunn came here with his family,
> onsisting of his wefe Margaret, or "Peggy', " as she was called and six
> hildren. He crossed the river with teams and stock on the ice at ,
> "ayfield's
> ddy," and camped on the snow at the spring at the foot of the "narrows",
> above
> pencer. Samuel W., his son, was then thirteen years of age, and is yet
> living.
> argeret, his daughter, my mother, who is yet living, was then six years
of
> age.
> .... " Ther is more.. but there is way too much to write here :)
> Barb :) .
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Connie Shotts <cshotts1(a)carolina.rr.com>
> o: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
> ent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:02 pm
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
>
> i Cousin Barb,
> thought we had probably corresponded but I didn't check the old emails.
I
> ould have done that but I was in email answering mode at the time :)
Pat
> the one who challenged the name Samuel and said she could prove it was
> bert, but you could certainly be right that it was both--the would make
> nse. You mentioned the naming pattern--I have that. I just recently
> ferred to it because of a project I'm working on. This is the one I
have:
> he first son was usually named after the father's father.
> The second son was usually named after the mother's father.
> The third son was usually named after the father.
> The fourth son was usually named after the father's eldest brother.
> The fifth son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother.
>
> The first daughter was usually named after the mother's mother.
> The second daughter was usually named after the father's mother.
> The third daughter was usually named after the mother.
> The fourth daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister.
> The fifth daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister.
> ne thing I don't have that I would like to have if you care to share it,
> is
> e list of children of your John and Margaret Carr Dunn. I have only
six
> ildren for them and only the birth date for John. The information would
> greatly appreciated.
> hanks for going to the trouble of looking up the old emails. I
apologize
> r not doing that, and I do have them all (in pdf form from my Outlook
> ogram).
> hanks for your prompt answer and I do appreciate it. I hope you have a
> eat holiday season.
> ousin Connie
> ----Original Message-----
> om: inowen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inowen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> half Of paltia(a)aol.com
> nt: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:51 PM
> : inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> bject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
> ello 'Cousin' Connie,
> just checked my old emails and found that you and I have emailed each
> her in 2009 about our Robert (Samuel). He's quite elusive. I can send
you
> Word Document of our main emails back and forth if you want to refresh
> ur memory. I believe there are also some emails back and forth from me
to
> woman named Pat that you referred me to. (or maybe she refered me to you
> LOL I'd have to check.)
> e pretty much came to the conslusion that Robert and Samuel are the
same
> rson. I'm thinking that Robert's first name or middle name may have been
> umel. The information I had found said that Margaret Carr's (Karr, Karn)
> ther was named Samuel and you mentioned that you thought it was Robert.
I
> thinking that it was both since my GG. Grandfather's name was John
Robert
> rn (Karr??) Dunn. John was his father, And Robert Karr (Karn, Carr) was
> obably his Grandfather?? I used to have some information on how the
> ott/Irish named their children. They had quite a system they used for
> ming after certain people in each family .. If a person knows the system
> ey pretty much knew who their parents, grandparents etc were. I'll have
to
> e if I can find that information again.
> o we have emailed before. I am as stuck as you are on this Robert
(Samuel)
> rr (Carr, Karn) He seems to be very elusive. LOL
> et me know if you still have copies of our correspondence or if you need
> me
> send you the MS Word document. I copied and pasted our emails into a
word
> c for easy reference.
> cousin' Barb
>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:16:09 -0500 (EST)
> From: "N.J.SkinnerWhite" <vwhite0901(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
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> Mary,
>
> When I used the city/county locator on the Rootsweb.com site this is what
> it came up with for Rockport:
>
> Results for City: Rockport State: IN
>
>
> City
> State
> County
>
> Rockport
> IN
> Spencer
>
> Rockport
> IN
> Parke
>
> RockportJunction
> IN
> Spencer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> N.J.SkinnerWhite
> vwhite0901(a)aol.com
> "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long
past."(Deuteronomy
> 32:7a)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary2gard <Mary2gard(a)aol.com>
> To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
>
>
> Where is Rockport? There must have been a trail that was used by many
who
>
> were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find myself looking at
>
> maps and wondering just how my Cagle's, Comer's,
>
> and Orman's came to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I drive across
>
> the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and
>
> woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in
> the
>
> ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer!!
>
>
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank You to all the folks
who
>
> have been participating in the discussion of the Dunn Family this week.
I
>
> am so proud of the folks who will reply to queries posted on here!
>
> Volunteers! Aren't we blessed that the "Old Librarians" at the Spencer
> Library
>
> and
>
> the Clay County Genealogical Society, had the for site to collect
> Genealogy
>
> Data before it became such a large hobby! I remember back about 1973
>
> finding a 3 X 5 index card identifying Mary Fiscus as a daughter of Amos
> Lawson
>
>
>
> and Rebecca Aynes in the Spencer Library! Boy! Would I like to get a
copy
>
> of that old card, because I have no other information about Mary
Lawson!
>
>
>
> When you talk about copies of the Travis HISTORY of CLAY COUNTY, the Clay
>
> County Genealogical Society have both Volumn's on one CD available for
>
> purchase! It has an every name index!
>
>
>
> Mary Orman Gardner
>
> Decatur, GA
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:16:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
> nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
> Thanks. I have found some of the Dunn story on page 557 of OWEN
COUNTY,
>
> INDIANA 1884, which I think is the same book, or the second part of the
> same
>
> book. Yes, it does say the women ran the ferry. Good for them!
>
> I have been working on the Scotts and all their connections from that
book
>
> for a long time. We do all finally connect someway, if we work at it
long
>
> enough! I had found that story of Samuel Scott's family coming into
Owen
>
> County in December, but no indication of where they crossed the Ohio or
> how
>
> they did it. They may have crossed by ferry. Many of the pioneers
came
>
> into IN at Rockport, I have read.
>
> nancy
>
> Happy hunting! nancy
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
>
> and Kids
>
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
>
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Nancy,
>
>
>
> The river in the story is the White river. My John Dunn was the first
man
>
> to run a ferry over it. Actually, as you read the account you see that
his
>
> wife and daughters actually did most of the ferry work. :) And their
son,
>
> John R. K. Dunn was the first white child born in what became Owen
County.
>
> :)
>
>
>
> You may want to go to google books and read this book for yourself.
There
>
> is a Samuel Scott mentioned a few times and there are other Scotts
>
> mentioned too. :) Maybe they are your kinfolk???
>
>
>
> I entered the surname Scott in the book's search engine and the surname
>
> came up with 54 hits :) There are several people with the surname
Scott,
> and
>
> there is a Samuel Scott mentined too. It also mentions a 'Scott
>
> Settlement"
>
>
>
> Here is the link for the page of search results:
>
>
>
> Here's the tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/28gl2wm
>
>
>
> and here's the original url
>
>
>
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=1VLWAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=countie
>
>
>
s+of+clay+and+owen+indiana&hl=en&ei=JCAOTYDPGpHGsAPendHDCg&sa=X&oi=book_resu
>
> lt&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=scott&f=false
>
>
>
> If the links dont' work for some reason, go to google.com, then click
on,
>
> the word 'more' on the toolbar. Then click on books in the dropdown
menu.
>
> Then enter Counties Of Clay and Owen Indiana. It brings up search
results.
>
> Click on the one that has the kind of orangish book cover. The link
says:
>
> Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana: Historical and Biographical....
>
>
>
> Hope this is your Samuel Scott. :)
>
>
>
> Barb
>
> >>>>
>
>
>
> Is "the river" in your story the Ohio River,
>
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which
years
>
> the
>
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
>
> the
>
> tory.
>
> ancy <<<<
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
>
> To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 12:38 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
>
> and Kids
>
>
>
>
>
> Wonderful story. Samuel & Milly (Foster) Scott are said to have come
>
> into Owen
>
> ounty in December 1820 (1821), and we always wondered how they came.
Your
>
> tory gives a likely explanation. Is "the river" in your story the
Ohio
>
> River,
>
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which
years
>
> the
>
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
>
> the
>
> tory.
>
> ancy
>
> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
>
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
>
> and
>
> ids
>
> o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
>
> ate: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:28 AM
>
>
>
> ello Again, Connie,
>
> I was just reading information from the book, "Counties Of Clay And
Owen
>
> ndiana.
>
> It mentions that Margaret Carr Dunn (John Dunn and Margaret Carr's
>
> daughter) was
>
> years old when they came to the territory in February of 1817. So that
>
> would
>
> ive her birth year approximately 1811. It also mentions that their son,
>
> Samuel
>
> . was 13 years of age which would put his birth year as 1804. The author
>
> of
>
> his section was James W. Archer, who was John & Margaret's grandson.
>
> Here's how the passage reads:
>
> "On the 5th day of February, 1817, John Dunn came here with his family,
>
> onsisting of his wefe Margaret, or "Peggy', " as she was called and six
>
> hildren. He crossed the river with teams and stock on the ice at ,
>
> "ayfield's
>
> ddy," and camped on the snow at the spring at the foot of the "narrows",
>
> above
>
> pencer. Samuel W., his son, was then thirteen years of age, and is yet
>
> living.
>
> argeret, his daughter, my mother, who is yet living, was then six years
of
>
> age.
>
> .... " Ther is more.. but there is way too much to write here :)
>
> Barb :) .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
> rom: Connie Shotts <cshotts1(a)carolina.rr.com>
>
> o: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
>
> ent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:02 pm
>
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
>
>
>
> i Cousin Barb,
>
> thought we had probably corresponded but I didn't check the old
emails. I
>
> ould have done that but I was in email answering mode at the time :)
Pat
>
> the one who challenged the name Samuel and said she could prove it was
>
> bert, but you could certainly be right that it was both--the would
make
>
> nse. You mentioned the naming pattern--I have that. I just recently
>
> ferred to it because of a project I'm working on. This is the one I
have:
>
> he first son was usually named after the father's father.
>
> The second son was usually named after the mother's father.
>
> The third son was usually named after the father.
>
> The fourth son was usually named after the father's eldest brother.
>
> The fifth son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother.
>
>
>
> The first daughter was usually named after the mother's mother.
>
> The second daughter was usually named after the father's mother.
>
> The third daughter was usually named after the mother.
>
> The fourth daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister.
>
> The fifth daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister.
>
> ne thing I don't have that I would like to have if you care to share it,
> is
>
> e list of children of your John and Margaret Carr Dunn. I have only
six
>
> ildren for them and only the birth date for John. The information would
>
> greatly appreciated.
>
> hanks for going to the trouble of looking up the old emails. I
apologize
>
> r not doing that, and I do have them all (in pdf form from my Outlook
>
> ogram).
>
> hanks for your prompt answer and I do appreciate it. I hope you have a
>
> eat holiday season.
>
> ousin Connie
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
> om: inowen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inowen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
>
> half Of paltia(a)aol.com
>
> nt: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:51 PM
>
> : inowen(a)rootsweb.com
>
> bject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
>
> ello 'Cousin' Connie,
>
> just checked my old emails and found that you and I have emailed each
>
> her in 2009 about our Robert (Samuel). He's quite elusive. I can send
you
>
> Word Document of our main emails back and forth if you want to refresh
>
> ur memory. I believe there are also some emails back and forth from me
to
>
> woman named Pat that you referred me to. (or maybe she refered me to you
>
> LOL I'd have to check.)
>
> e pretty much came to the conslusion that Robert and Samuel are the same
>
> rson. I'm thinking that Robert's first name or middle name may have been
>
> umel. The information I had found said that Margaret Carr's (Karr, Karn)
>
> ther was named Samuel and you mentioned that you thought it was Robert.
I
>
> thinking that it was both since my GG. Grandfather's name was John
Robert
>
> rn (Karr??) Dunn. John was his father, And Robert Karr (Karn, Carr) was
>
> obably his Grandfather?? I used to have some information on how the
>
> ott/Irish named their children. They had quite a system they used for
>
> ming after certain people in each family .. If a person knows the system
>
> ey pretty much knew who their parents, grandparents etc were. I'll have
to
>
> e if I can find that information again.
>
> o we have emailed before. I am as stuck as you are on this Robert
(Samuel)
>
> rr (Carr, Karn) He seems to be very elusive. LOL
>
> et me know if you still have copies of our correspondence or if you need
> me
>
> send you the MS Word document. I copied and pasted our emails into a
word
>
> c for easy reference.
>
> cousin' Barb
>
>
>
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Janice,
Thank you. All the runoff from tilled farm lands hadn't filled them either!
I will take a look at the map for Rockport. The Wabash was crystal clear
when the French were running back and forth to Canada. It wasn't clear even
when I was a girl.
Mary
In a message dated 12/20/2010 8:32:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jan3919(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
There is one thing we must remember when we talk about the rivers
freezing. They did not have all the chemicals and gunk in them they have today.
They were cleaner.
Rockport is in Spencer County, way down in the toe of Indiana. Right on
the Ohio River and across from Daviess and Hancock Cos., Ky.
Janice Enk
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There is one thing we must remember when we talk about the rivers freezing. They did not have all the chemicals and gunk in them they have today. They were cleaner.
Rockport is in Spencer County, way down in the toe of Indiana. Right on the Ohio River and across from Daviess and Hancock Cos., Ky.
Janice Enk
Someone mentioned "The Narrows". I found a document on Google Books called
*Proceedings of the annual meeting of the Indiana Academy of Science, Volume
24* . On pages 418-419 of that publication it states "At this point it is
deemed advisable to give some attention to White River near the lower end of
Flatwoods. Collet in his report on the geology of Owen County makes note of
the *extreme narrowness of the White River valley between Romona and Spencer
*. He accounts for "*The Narrows*", as this very constricted portion of the
river valley is called, by asserting that this portion of the valley is new,
having been formed since the Illinois glaciation". Added the emphasis. The
"Narrows" is also mentioned a number of times in the book *Counties of Clay
and Owen, Indiana*.
David
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:16 PM, <inowen-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: River running through Owen Co (Jo Cluck)
> 2. Re: Thank you Volunteers (Mary2gard(a)aol.com)
> 3. Re: Thank you Volunteers (N.J.SkinnerWhite)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:38:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jo Cluck <djcluck(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
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> Thank you, Nancy. I know Brown County has a lot of data on T.C. Steele,
> but
> since the location is not all that far from Owen County, I was just
> curious.
> Have a Merry Christmas.
> Jo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 8:58:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
>
> I have wondered the same thing, but I do not have the answer. We have
> visited
> the T. C. Steele site. As I recall, however, he came to Brown County from
> the
> east, looking for a lovely spot to paint, and was not in Indiana so early
> as our
> pioneer Ninian Steele. I'll see if I can find that story.
> nancy
>
> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, Jo Cluck <djcluck(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jo Cluck <djcluck(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 11:40 PM
>
> I have to ask...is this the same Steele family who has an art studio over
> near
> Nashville in Brown County? I have some great paintings from Brown Co. and
> just
>
> wondered. Thanks.
>
>
> Jo Cluck
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Morrel <morcor(a)comcast.net>
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 2:43:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
>
>
> Craig, The church was near Spencer. The following description is from
>
> http://www2.indianahistory.org/library/manuscripts/collection_guides/F058...
>
>
> Bethany Presbyterian Church was founded in 1820 in Owen County, Indiana,
> near
> Spencer. At first the church met in the home of Ninian Steele, then in a
> log
> building. After four or five years the building was moved eighty rods, then
> rebuilt and used until 1873. At that time, a new frame building was
> erected, and
>
> the old building rented as a dwelling. In the 1870s the congregation
> dwindled
> because two groups of communicants moved west, one to Iowa and the other to
> Texas. There was a centennial celebration in 1920.
>
>
> There are extensive session records for the congregation beginning on 20
> March
> 1820.
>
>
> John
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:24:27 -0500 (EST)
> From: Mary2gard(a)aol.com
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <3e8a.705b2f24.3a41076b(a)aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Where is Rockport? There must have been a trail that was used by many who
> were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find myself looking at
> maps and wondering just how my Cagle's, Comer's,
> and Orman's came to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I drive across
> the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and
> woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in
> the
> ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer!!
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank You to all the folks who
> have been participating in the discussion of the Dunn Family this week. I
> am so proud of the folks who will reply to queries posted on here!
> Volunteers! Aren't we blessed that the "Old Librarians" at the Spencer
> Library and
> the Clay County Genealogical Society, had the for site to collect
> Genealogy
> Data before it became such a large hobby! I remember back about 1973
> finding a 3 X 5 index card identifying Mary Fiscus as a daughter of Amos
> Lawson
> and Rebecca Aynes in the Spencer Library! Boy! Would I like to get a copy
> of that old card, because I have no other information about Mary Lawson!
>
> When you talk about copies of the Travis HISTORY of CLAY COUNTY, the Clay
> County Genealogical Society have both Volumn's on one CD available for
> purchase! It has an every name index!
>
> Mary Orman Gardner
> Decatur, GA
>
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:16:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
>
> Thanks. I have found some of the Dunn story on page 557 of OWEN COUNTY,
> INDIANA 1884, which I think is the same book, or the second part of the
> same
> book. Yes, it does say the women ran the ferry. Good for them!
> I have been working on the Scotts and all their connections from that book
> for a long time. We do all finally connect someway, if we work at it long
> enough! I had found that story of Samuel Scott's family coming into Owen
> County in December, but no indication of where they crossed the Ohio or
> how
> they did it. They may have crossed by ferry. Many of the pioneers came
> into IN at Rockport, I have read.
> nancy
> Happy hunting! nancy
>
> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
> and Kids
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
>
>
>
> Hello Nancy,
>
> The river in the story is the White river. My John Dunn was the first man
> to run a ferry over it. Actually, as you read the account you see that his
> wife and daughters actually did most of the ferry work. :) And their son,
> John R. K. Dunn was the first white child born in what became Owen County.
> :)
>
> You may want to go to google books and read this book for yourself. There
> is a Samuel Scott mentioned a few times and there are other Scotts
> mentioned too. :) Maybe they are your kinfolk???
>
> I entered the surname Scott in the book's search engine and the surname
> came up with 54 hits :) There are several people with the surname Scott,
> and
> there is a Samuel Scott mentined too. It also mentions a 'Scott
> Settlement"
>
> Here is the link for the page of search results:
>
> Here's the tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/28gl2wm
>
> and here's the original url
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=1VLWAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=countie
>
> s+of+clay+and+owen+indiana&hl=en&ei=JCAOTYDPGpHGsAPendHDCg&sa=X&oi=book_resu
> lt&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=scott&f=false
>
> If the links dont' work for some reason, go to google.com, then click on,
> the word 'more' on the toolbar. Then click on books in the dropdown menu.
> Then enter Counties Of Clay and Owen Indiana. It brings up search results.
> Click on the one that has the kind of orangish book cover. The link says:
> Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana: Historical and Biographical....
>
> Hope this is your Samuel Scott. :)
>
> Barb
> >>>>
>
> Is "the river" in your story the Ohio River,
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which years
> the
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
> the
> tory.
> ancy <<<<
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
> To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 12:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
> and Kids
>
>
> Wonderful story. Samuel & Milly (Foster) Scott are said to have come
> into Owen
> ounty in December 1820 (1821), and we always wondered how they came. Your
> tory gives a likely explanation. Is "the river" in your story the Ohio
> River,
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which years
> the
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
> the
> tory.
> ancy
> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
> and
> ids
> o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> ate: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:28 AM
>
> ello Again, Connie,
> I was just reading information from the book, "Counties Of Clay And Owen
> ndiana.
> It mentions that Margaret Carr Dunn (John Dunn and Margaret Carr's
> daughter) was
> years old when they came to the territory in February of 1817. So that
> would
> ive her birth year approximately 1811. It also mentions that their son,
> Samuel
> . was 13 years of age which would put his birth year as 1804. The author
> of
> his section was James W. Archer, who was John & Margaret's grandson.
> Here's how the passage reads:
> "On the 5th day of February, 1817, John Dunn came here with his family,
> onsisting of his wefe Margaret, or "Peggy', " as she was called and six
> hildren. He crossed the river with teams and stock on the ice at ,
> "ayfield's
> ddy," and camped on the snow at the spring at the foot of the "narrows",
> above
> pencer. Samuel W., his son, was then thirteen years of age, and is yet
> living.
> argeret, his daughter, my mother, who is yet living, was then six years of
> age.
> .... " Ther is more.. but there is way too much to write here :)
> Barb :) .
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Connie Shotts <cshotts1(a)carolina.rr.com>
> o: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
> ent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:02 pm
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
>
> i Cousin Barb,
> thought we had probably corresponded but I didn't check the old emails. I
> ould have done that but I was in email answering mode at the time :) Pat
> the one who challenged the name Samuel and said she could prove it was
> bert, but you could certainly be right that it was both--the would make
> nse. You mentioned the naming pattern--I have that. I just recently
> ferred to it because of a project I'm working on. This is the one I have:
> he first son was usually named after the father's father.
> The second son was usually named after the mother's father.
> The third son was usually named after the father.
> The fourth son was usually named after the father's eldest brother.
> The fifth son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother.
>
> The first daughter was usually named after the mother's mother.
> The second daughter was usually named after the father's mother.
> The third daughter was usually named after the mother.
> The fourth daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister.
> The fifth daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister.
> ne thing I don't have that I would like to have if you care to share it,
> is
> e list of children of your John and Margaret Carr Dunn. I have only six
> ildren for them and only the birth date for John. The information would
> greatly appreciated.
> hanks for going to the trouble of looking up the old emails. I apologize
> r not doing that, and I do have them all (in pdf form from my Outlook
> ogram).
> hanks for your prompt answer and I do appreciate it. I hope you have a
> eat holiday season.
> ousin Connie
> ----Original Message-----
> om: inowen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inowen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> half Of paltia(a)aol.com
> nt: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:51 PM
> : inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> bject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
> ello 'Cousin' Connie,
> just checked my old emails and found that you and I have emailed each
> her in 2009 about our Robert (Samuel). He's quite elusive. I can send you
> Word Document of our main emails back and forth if you want to refresh
> ur memory. I believe there are also some emails back and forth from me to
> woman named Pat that you referred me to. (or maybe she refered me to you
> LOL I'd have to check.)
> e pretty much came to the conslusion that Robert and Samuel are the same
> rson. I'm thinking that Robert's first name or middle name may have been
> umel. The information I had found said that Margaret Carr's (Karr, Karn)
> ther was named Samuel and you mentioned that you thought it was Robert. I
> thinking that it was both since my GG. Grandfather's name was John Robert
> rn (Karr??) Dunn. John was his father, And Robert Karr (Karn, Carr) was
> obably his Grandfather?? I used to have some information on how the
> ott/Irish named their children. They had quite a system they used for
> ming after certain people in each family .. If a person knows the system
> ey pretty much knew who their parents, grandparents etc were. I'll have to
> e if I can find that information again.
> o we have emailed before. I am as stuck as you are on this Robert (Samuel)
> rr (Carr, Karn) He seems to be very elusive. LOL
> et me know if you still have copies of our correspondence or if you need
> me
> send you the MS Word document. I copied and pasted our emails into a word
> c for easy reference.
> cousin' Barb
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:16:09 -0500 (EST)
> From: "N.J.SkinnerWhite" <vwhite0901(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <8CD6E99DF811015-D30-30BC2(a)Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Mary,
>
> When I used the city/county locator on the Rootsweb.com site this is what
> it came up with for Rockport:
>
> Results for City: Rockport State: IN
>
>
> City
> State
> County
>
> Rockport
> IN
> Spencer
>
> Rockport
> IN
> Parke
>
> RockportJunction
> IN
> Spencer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> N.J.SkinnerWhite
> vwhite0901(a)aol.com
> "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past."(Deuteronomy
> 32:7a)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mary2gard <Mary2gard(a)aol.com>
> To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
>
>
> Where is Rockport? There must have been a trail that was used by many who
>
> were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find myself looking at
>
> maps and wondering just how my Cagle's, Comer's,
>
> and Orman's came to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I drive across
>
> the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and
>
> woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in
> the
>
> ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer!!
>
>
>
> I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank You to all the folks who
>
> have been participating in the discussion of the Dunn Family this week. I
>
> am so proud of the folks who will reply to queries posted on here!
>
> Volunteers! Aren't we blessed that the "Old Librarians" at the Spencer
> Library
>
> and
>
> the Clay County Genealogical Society, had the for site to collect
> Genealogy
>
> Data before it became such a large hobby! I remember back about 1973
>
> finding a 3 X 5 index card identifying Mary Fiscus as a daughter of Amos
> Lawson
>
>
>
> and Rebecca Aynes in the Spencer Library! Boy! Would I like to get a copy
>
> of that old card, because I have no other information about Mary Lawson!
>
>
>
> When you talk about copies of the Travis HISTORY of CLAY COUNTY, the Clay
>
> County Genealogical Society have both Volumn's on one CD available for
>
> purchase! It has an every name index!
>
>
>
> Mary Orman Gardner
>
> Decatur, GA
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:16:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
> nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
> Thanks. I have found some of the Dunn story on page 557 of OWEN COUNTY,
>
> INDIANA 1884, which I think is the same book, or the second part of the
> same
>
> book. Yes, it does say the women ran the ferry. Good for them!
>
> I have been working on the Scotts and all their connections from that book
>
> for a long time. We do all finally connect someway, if we work at it long
>
> enough! I had found that story of Samuel Scott's family coming into Owen
>
> County in December, but no indication of where they crossed the Ohio or
> how
>
> they did it. They may have crossed by ferry. Many of the pioneers came
>
> into IN at Rockport, I have read.
>
> nancy
>
> Happy hunting! nancy
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/20/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
>
> and Kids
>
> To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
>
> Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Nancy,
>
>
>
> The river in the story is the White river. My John Dunn was the first man
>
> to run a ferry over it. Actually, as you read the account you see that his
>
> wife and daughters actually did most of the ferry work. :) And their son,
>
> John R. K. Dunn was the first white child born in what became Owen County.
>
> :)
>
>
>
> You may want to go to google books and read this book for yourself. There
>
> is a Samuel Scott mentioned a few times and there are other Scotts
>
> mentioned too. :) Maybe they are your kinfolk???
>
>
>
> I entered the surname Scott in the book's search engine and the surname
>
> came up with 54 hits :) There are several people with the surname Scott,
> and
>
> there is a Samuel Scott mentined too. It also mentions a 'Scott
>
> Settlement"
>
>
>
> Here is the link for the page of search results:
>
>
>
> Here's the tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/28gl2wm
>
>
>
> and here's the original url
>
>
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=1VLWAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=countie
>
>
> s+of+clay+and+owen+indiana&hl=en&ei=JCAOTYDPGpHGsAPendHDCg&sa=X&oi=book_resu
>
> lt&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=scott&f=false
>
>
>
> If the links dont' work for some reason, go to google.com, then click on,
>
> the word 'more' on the toolbar. Then click on books in the dropdown menu.
>
> Then enter Counties Of Clay and Owen Indiana. It brings up search results.
>
> Click on the one that has the kind of orangish book cover. The link says:
>
> Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana: Historical and Biographical....
>
>
>
> Hope this is your Samuel Scott. :)
>
>
>
> Barb
>
> >>>>
>
>
>
> Is "the river" in your story the Ohio River,
>
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which years
>
> the
>
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
>
> the
>
> tory.
>
> ancy <<<<
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
>
> To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 12:38 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
>
> and Kids
>
>
>
>
>
> Wonderful story. Samuel & Milly (Foster) Scott are said to have come
>
> into Owen
>
> ounty in December 1820 (1821), and we always wondered how they came. Your
>
> tory gives a likely explanation. Is "the river" in your story the Ohio
>
> River,
>
> r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which years
>
> the
>
> hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
>
> the
>
> tory.
>
> ancy
>
> --- On Sun, 12/19/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
>
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
>
> and
>
> ids
>
> o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
>
> ate: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:28 AM
>
>
>
> ello Again, Connie,
>
> I was just reading information from the book, "Counties Of Clay And Owen
>
> ndiana.
>
> It mentions that Margaret Carr Dunn (John Dunn and Margaret Carr's
>
> daughter) was
>
> years old when they came to the territory in February of 1817. So that
>
> would
>
> ive her birth year approximately 1811. It also mentions that their son,
>
> Samuel
>
> . was 13 years of age which would put his birth year as 1804. The author
>
> of
>
> his section was James W. Archer, who was John & Margaret's grandson.
>
> Here's how the passage reads:
>
> "On the 5th day of February, 1817, John Dunn came here with his family,
>
> onsisting of his wefe Margaret, or "Peggy', " as she was called and six
>
> hildren. He crossed the river with teams and stock on the ice at ,
>
> "ayfield's
>
> ddy," and camped on the snow at the spring at the foot of the "narrows",
>
> above
>
> pencer. Samuel W., his son, was then thirteen years of age, and is yet
>
> living.
>
> argeret, his daughter, my mother, who is yet living, was then six years of
>
> age.
>
> .... " Ther is more.. but there is way too much to write here :)
>
> Barb :) .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
> rom: Connie Shotts <cshotts1(a)carolina.rr.com>
>
> o: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
>
> ent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:02 pm
>
> ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
>
>
>
> i Cousin Barb,
>
> thought we had probably corresponded but I didn't check the old emails. I
>
> ould have done that but I was in email answering mode at the time :) Pat
>
> the one who challenged the name Samuel and said she could prove it was
>
> bert, but you could certainly be right that it was both--the would make
>
> nse. You mentioned the naming pattern--I have that. I just recently
>
> ferred to it because of a project I'm working on. This is the one I have:
>
> he first son was usually named after the father's father.
>
> The second son was usually named after the mother's father.
>
> The third son was usually named after the father.
>
> The fourth son was usually named after the father's eldest brother.
>
> The fifth son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother.
>
>
>
> The first daughter was usually named after the mother's mother.
>
> The second daughter was usually named after the father's mother.
>
> The third daughter was usually named after the mother.
>
> The fourth daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister.
>
> The fifth daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister.
>
> ne thing I don't have that I would like to have if you care to share it,
> is
>
> e list of children of your John and Margaret Carr Dunn. I have only six
>
> ildren for them and only the birth date for John. The information would
>
> greatly appreciated.
>
> hanks for going to the trouble of looking up the old emails. I apologize
>
> r not doing that, and I do have them all (in pdf form from my Outlook
>
> ogram).
>
> hanks for your prompt answer and I do appreciate it. I hope you have a
>
> eat holiday season.
>
> ousin Connie
>
> ----Original Message-----
>
> om: inowen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inowen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
>
> half Of paltia(a)aol.com
>
> nt: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:51 PM
>
> : inowen(a)rootsweb.com
>
> bject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
>
> ello 'Cousin' Connie,
>
> just checked my old emails and found that you and I have emailed each
>
> her in 2009 about our Robert (Samuel). He's quite elusive. I can send you
>
> Word Document of our main emails back and forth if you want to refresh
>
> ur memory. I believe there are also some emails back and forth from me to
>
> woman named Pat that you referred me to. (or maybe she refered me to you
>
> LOL I'd have to check.)
>
> e pretty much came to the conslusion that Robert and Samuel are the same
>
> rson. I'm thinking that Robert's first name or middle name may have been
>
> umel. The information I had found said that Margaret Carr's (Karr, Karn)
>
> ther was named Samuel and you mentioned that you thought it was Robert. I
>
> thinking that it was both since my GG. Grandfather's name was John Robert
>
> rn (Karr??) Dunn. John was his father, And Robert Karr (Karn, Carr) was
>
> obably his Grandfather?? I used to have some information on how the
>
> ott/Irish named their children. They had quite a system they used for
>
> ming after certain people in each family .. If a person knows the system
>
> ey pretty much knew who their parents, grandparents etc were. I'll have to
>
> e if I can find that information again.
>
> o we have emailed before. I am as stuck as you are on this Robert (Samuel)
>
> rr (Carr, Karn) He seems to be very elusive. LOL
>
> et me know if you still have copies of our correspondence or if you need
> me
>
> send you the MS Word document. I copied and pasted our emails into a word
>
> c for easy reference.
>
> cousin' Barb
>
>
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Thank you! It doesn't sound like what I was hoping! I feel pretty sure they
came up the Rivers in that early time. Either that or they walked along
side the streams. One thing for sure! They did a lot of walking.
Just after the 1870 census, several Orman's and their cousins' families
left Marion Twp., Owen County, IN for the Independence, Montgomery County,
Kansas area. Around 1878/1879 before Andrew Orman b 1808 died, in 1879, some
of his sons families came back to Owen/Clay County! William, Jasper and
maybe one other, returned home. The stories passed down thru Jasper Orman's
family, was that they walked behind a wagon all the way! William and his
family, wife was Patia Mishler, returned to Kansas and then on down to
Washington Co., Arkansas still walking and this return trip was made sometime before
the 1900 census!
Mary
In a message dated 12/20/2010 3:16:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
vwhite0901(a)aol.com writes:
Mary,
When I used the city/county locator on the Rootsweb.com site this is what
it came up with for Rockport:
Results for City: Rockport State: IN
City
State
County
Rockport
IN
Spencer
Rockport
IN
Parke
RockportJunction
IN
Spencer
N.J.SkinnerWhite
vwhite0901(a)aol.com
"Remember the days of old; consider the generations long
past."(Deuteronomy 32:7a)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary2gard <Mary2gard(a)aol.com>
To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Thank you Volunteers
Where is Rockport? There must have been a trail that was used by many who
were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find myself looking at
maps and wondering just how my Cagle's, Comer's,
and Orman's came to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I drive across
the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and
woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in
the
ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer!!
I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank You to all the folks
who
have been participating in the discussion of the Dunn Family this week. I
am so proud of the folks who will reply to queries posted on here!
Volunteers! Aren't we blessed that the "Old Librarians" at the Spencer
Library
and
the Clay County Genealogical Society, had the for site to collect
Genealogy
Data before it became such a large hobby! I remember back about 1973
finding a 3 X 5 index card identifying Mary Fiscus as a daughter of Amos
Lawson
and Rebecca Aynes in the Spencer Library! Boy! Would I like to get a copy
of that old card, because I have no other information about Mary Lawson!
When you talk about copies of the Travis HISTORY of CLAY COUNTY, the Clay
County Genealogical Society have both Volumn's on one CD available for
purchase! It has an every name index!
Mary Orman Gardner
Decatur, GA
In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:16:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
Thanks. I have found some of the Dunn story on page 557 of OWEN COUNTY,
INDIANA 1884, which I think is the same book, or the second part of the
same
book. Yes, it does say the women ran the ferry. Good for them!
I have been working on the Scotts and all their connections from that
book
for a long time. We do all finally connect someway, if we work at it
long
enough! I had found that story of Samuel Scott's family coming into Owen
County in December, but no indication of where they crossed the Ohio or
how
they did it. They may have crossed by ferry. Many of the pioneers
came
into IN at Rockport, I have read.
nancy
Happy hunting! nancy
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
and Kids
To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
Hello Nancy,
The river in the story is the White river. My John Dunn was the first man
to run a ferry over it. Actually, as you read the account you see that
his
wife and daughters actually did most of the ferry work. :) And their son,
John R. K. Dunn was the first white child born in what became Owen
County.
:)
You may want to go to google books and read this book for yourself. There
is a Samuel Scott mentioned a few times and there are other Scotts
mentioned too. :) Maybe they are your kinfolk???
I entered the surname Scott in the book's search engine and the surname
came up with 54 hits :) There are several people with the surname Scott,
and
there is a Samuel Scott mentined too. It also mentions a 'Scott
Settlement"
Here is the link for the page of search results:
Here's the tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/28gl2wm
and here's the original url
http://books.google.com/books?id=1VLWAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=countie
s+of+clay+and+owen+indiana&hl=en&ei=JCAOTYDPGpHGsAPendHDCg&sa=X&oi=book_resu
lt&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=scott&f=false
If the links dont' work for some reason, go to google.com, then click on,
the word 'more' on the toolbar. Then click on books in the dropdown menu.
Then enter Counties Of Clay and Owen Indiana. It brings up search
results.
Click on the one that has the kind of orangish book cover. The link says:
Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana: Historical and Biographical....
Hope this is your Samuel Scott. :)
Barb
>>>>
Is "the river" in your story the Ohio River,
r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which
years
the
hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
the
tory.
ancy <<<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret
Dunn
and Kids
Wonderful story. Samuel & Milly (Foster) Scott are said to have come
into Owen
ounty in December 1820 (1821), and we always wondered how they came.
Your
tory gives a likely explanation. Is "the river" in your story the Ohio
River,
r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which
years
the
hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
the
tory.
ancy
--- On Sun, 12/19/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
and
ids
o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
ate: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:28 AM
ello Again, Connie,
I was just reading information from the book, "Counties Of Clay And Owen
ndiana.
It mentions that Margaret Carr Dunn (John Dunn and Margaret Carr's
daughter) was
years old when they came to the territory in February of 1817. So that
would
ive her birth year approximately 1811. It also mentions that their son,
Samuel
. was 13 years of age which would put his birth year as 1804. The author
of
his section was James W. Archer, who was John & Margaret's grandson.
Here's how the passage reads:
"On the 5th day of February, 1817, John Dunn came here with his family,
onsisting of his wefe Margaret, or "Peggy', " as she was called and six
hildren. He crossed the river with teams and stock on the ice at ,
"ayfield's
ddy," and camped on the snow at the spring at the foot of the "narrows",
above
pencer. Samuel W., his son, was then thirteen years of age, and is yet
living.
argeret, his daughter, my mother, who is yet living, was then six years
of
age.
.... " Ther is more.. but there is way too much to write here :)
Barb :) .
----Original Message-----
rom: Connie Shotts <cshotts1(a)carolina.rr.com>
o: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
ent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:02 pm
ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
i Cousin Barb,
thought we had probably corresponded but I didn't check the old emails. I
ould have done that but I was in email answering mode at the time :) Pat
the one who challenged the name Samuel and said she could prove it was
bert, but you could certainly be right that it was both--the would make
nse. You mentioned the naming pattern--I have that. I just recently
ferred to it because of a project I'm working on. This is the one I have:
he first son was usually named after the father's father.
The second son was usually named after the mother's father.
The third son was usually named after the father.
The fourth son was usually named after the father's eldest brother.
The fifth son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother.
The first daughter was usually named after the mother's mother.
The second daughter was usually named after the father's mother.
The third daughter was usually named after the mother.
The fourth daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister.
The fifth daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister.
ne thing I don't have that I would like to have if you care to share it,
is
e list of children of your John and Margaret Carr Dunn. I have only six
ildren for them and only the birth date for John. The information would
greatly appreciated.
hanks for going to the trouble of looking up the old emails. I apologize
r not doing that, and I do have them all (in pdf form from my Outlook
ogram).
hanks for your prompt answer and I do appreciate it. I hope you have a
eat holiday season.
ousin Connie
----Original Message-----
om: inowen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inowen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
half Of paltia(a)aol.com
nt: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:51 PM
: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
bject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
ello 'Cousin' Connie,
just checked my old emails and found that you and I have emailed each
her in 2009 about our Robert (Samuel). He's quite elusive. I can send you
Word Document of our main emails back and forth if you want to refresh
ur memory. I believe there are also some emails back and forth from me to
woman named Pat that you referred me to. (or maybe she refered me to you
LOL I'd have to check.)
e pretty much came to the conslusion that Robert and Samuel are the same
rson. I'm thinking that Robert's first name or middle name may have been
umel. The information I had found said that Margaret Carr's (Karr, Karn)
ther was named Samuel and you mentioned that you thought it was Robert. I
thinking that it was both since my GG. Grandfather's name was John Robert
rn (Karr??) Dunn. John was his father, And Robert Karr (Karn, Carr) was
obably his Grandfather?? I used to have some information on how the
ott/Irish named their children. They had quite a system they used for
ming after certain people in each family .. If a person knows the system
ey pretty much knew who their parents, grandparents etc were. I'll have to
e if I can find that information again.
o we have emailed before. I am as stuck as you are on this Robert (Samuel)
rr (Carr, Karn) He seems to be very elusive. LOL
et me know if you still have copies of our correspondence or if you need
me
send you the MS Word document. I copied and pasted our emails into a word
c for easy reference.
cousin' Barb
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Where is Rockport? There must have been a trail that was used by many who
were coming North into Indiana across Kentucky! I find myself looking at
maps and wondering just how my Cagle's, Comer's,
and Orman's came to Clay and Owen County around 1831. When I drive across
the County line south of Bowling Green, the area is still so hilly and
woodsy I can't imagine how long it took them to get enough vegetables in the
ground to feed themselves! I would not have made a good pioneer!!
I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank You to all the folks who
have been participating in the discussion of the Dunn Family this week. I
am so proud of the folks who will reply to queries posted on here!
Volunteers! Aren't we blessed that the "Old Librarians" at the Spencer Library and
the Clay County Genealogical Society, had the for site to collect Genealogy
Data before it became such a large hobby! I remember back about 1973
finding a 3 X 5 index card identifying Mary Fiscus as a daughter of Amos Lawson
and Rebecca Aynes in the Spencer Library! Boy! Would I like to get a copy
of that old card, because I have no other information about Mary Lawson!
When you talk about copies of the Travis HISTORY of CLAY COUNTY, the Clay
County Genealogical Society have both Volumn's on one CD available for
purchase! It has an every name index!
Mary Orman Gardner
Decatur, GA
In a message dated 12/19/2010 11:16:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
Thanks. I have found some of the Dunn story on page 557 of OWEN COUNTY,
INDIANA 1884, which I think is the same book, or the second part of the same
book. Yes, it does say the women ran the ferry. Good for them!
I have been working on the Scotts and all their connections from that book
for a long time. We do all finally connect someway, if we work at it long
enough! I had found that story of Samuel Scott's family coming into Owen
County in December, but no indication of where they crossed the Ohio or how
they did it. They may have crossed by ferry. Many of the pioneers came
into IN at Rockport, I have read.
nancy
Happy hunting! nancy
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
and Kids
To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 12:33 AM
Hello Nancy,
The river in the story is the White river. My John Dunn was the first man
to run a ferry over it. Actually, as you read the account you see that his
wife and daughters actually did most of the ferry work. :) And their son,
John R. K. Dunn was the first white child born in what became Owen County.
:)
You may want to go to google books and read this book for yourself. There
is a Samuel Scott mentioned a few times and there are other Scotts
mentioned too. :) Maybe they are your kinfolk???
I entered the surname Scott in the book's search engine and the surname
came up with 54 hits :) There are several people with the surname Scott, and
there is a Samuel Scott mentined too. It also mentions a 'Scott
Settlement"
Here is the link for the page of search results:
Here's the tiny url: http://tinyurl.com/28gl2wm
and here's the original url
http://books.google.com/books?id=1VLWAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=countie
s+of+clay+and+owen+indiana&hl=en&ei=JCAOTYDPGpHGsAPendHDCg&sa=X&oi=book_resu
lt&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=scott&f=false
If the links dont' work for some reason, go to google.com, then click on,
the word 'more' on the toolbar. Then click on books in the dropdown menu.
Then enter Counties Of Clay and Owen Indiana. It brings up search results.
Click on the one that has the kind of orangish book cover. The link says:
Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana: Historical and Biographical....
Hope this is your Samuel Scott. :)
Barb
>>>>
Is "the river" in your story the Ohio River,
r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which years
the
hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
the
tory.
ancy <<<<
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
and Kids
Wonderful story. Samuel & Milly (Foster) Scott are said to have come
into Owen
ounty in December 1820 (1821), and we always wondered how they came. Your
tory gives a likely explanation. Is "the river" in your story the Ohio
River,
r perhaps a river in Owen County? Do we have documentation of which years
the
hio River actually froze? It did some years, I understand. Thanks for
the
tory.
ancy
--- On Sun, 12/19/10, paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: paltia(a)aol.com <paltia(a)aol.com>
ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas/ Now John & Margaret Dunn
and
ids
o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
ate: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 7:28 AM
ello Again, Connie,
I was just reading information from the book, "Counties Of Clay And Owen
ndiana.
It mentions that Margaret Carr Dunn (John Dunn and Margaret Carr's
daughter) was
years old when they came to the territory in February of 1817. So that
would
ive her birth year approximately 1811. It also mentions that their son,
Samuel
. was 13 years of age which would put his birth year as 1804. The author
of
his section was James W. Archer, who was John & Margaret's grandson.
Here's how the passage reads:
"On the 5th day of February, 1817, John Dunn came here with his family,
onsisting of his wefe Margaret, or "Peggy', " as she was called and six
hildren. He crossed the river with teams and stock on the ice at ,
"ayfield's
ddy," and camped on the snow at the spring at the foot of the "narrows",
above
pencer. Samuel W., his son, was then thirteen years of age, and is yet
living.
argeret, his daughter, my mother, who is yet living, was then six years of
age.
.... " Ther is more.. but there is way too much to write here :)
Barb :) .
----Original Message-----
rom: Connie Shotts <cshotts1(a)carolina.rr.com>
o: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
ent: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 1:02 pm
ubject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
i Cousin Barb,
thought we had probably corresponded but I didn't check the old emails. I
ould have done that but I was in email answering mode at the time :) Pat
the one who challenged the name Samuel and said she could prove it was
bert, but you could certainly be right that it was both--the would make
nse. You mentioned the naming pattern--I have that. I just recently
ferred to it because of a project I'm working on. This is the one I have:
he first son was usually named after the father's father.
The second son was usually named after the mother's father.
The third son was usually named after the father.
The fourth son was usually named after the father's eldest brother.
The fifth son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother.
The first daughter was usually named after the mother's mother.
The second daughter was usually named after the father's mother.
The third daughter was usually named after the mother.
The fourth daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister.
The fifth daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister.
ne thing I don't have that I would like to have if you care to share it, is
e list of children of your John and Margaret Carr Dunn. I have only six
ildren for them and only the birth date for John. The information would
greatly appreciated.
hanks for going to the trouble of looking up the old emails. I apologize
r not doing that, and I do have them all (in pdf form from my Outlook
ogram).
hanks for your prompt answer and I do appreciate it. I hope you have a
eat holiday season.
ousin Connie
----Original Message-----
om: inowen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:inowen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
half Of paltia(a)aol.com
nt: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:51 PM
: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
bject: Re: [INOWEN] Time to think of Christmas
ello 'Cousin' Connie,
just checked my old emails and found that you and I have emailed each
her in 2009 about our Robert (Samuel). He's quite elusive. I can send you
Word Document of our main emails back and forth if you want to refresh
ur memory. I believe there are also some emails back and forth from me to
woman named Pat that you referred me to. (or maybe she refered me to you
LOL I'd have to check.)
e pretty much came to the conslusion that Robert and Samuel are the same
rson. I'm thinking that Robert's first name or middle name may have been
umel. The information I had found said that Margaret Carr's (Karr, Karn)
ther was named Samuel and you mentioned that you thought it was Robert. I
thinking that it was both since my GG. Grandfather's name was John Robert
rn (Karr??) Dunn. John was his father, And Robert Karr (Karn, Carr) was
obably his Grandfather?? I used to have some information on how the
ott/Irish named their children. They had quite a system they used for
ming after certain people in each family .. If a person knows the system
ey pretty much knew who their parents, grandparents etc were. I'll have to
e if I can find that information again.
o we have emailed before. I am as stuck as you are on this Robert (Samuel)
rr (Carr, Karn) He seems to be very elusive. LOL
et me know if you still have copies of our correspondence or if you need me
send you the MS Word document. I copied and pasted our emails into a word
c for easy reference.
cousin' Barb
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Just had to put in my two cents. The Ohio River seperates Indiana from Kentucky, so is no where near Owen Co. However the White River runs through Owen Co. There are two branches of the white River, one up north where Owen Co is and the other down south around Washington Co. and that area. I believe they both flow into the Wabash River, which flows into the Ohio.
I can remember my Grandmother Florence Jones, who was Florence Sloan, telling her family moved to Arkansas, where she was born, and they wanted to come back to Indina and they had to wait until the Mississippi River froze over to get across. She said it was a few days before they could cross and they had a wagon and built a fire. While they were waiting to cross her uncle, who was a young lad of about 17, went back into St. Louis and they never heard from him again. They waited several days for him. He liked to gamble and they figure he was murdered by a group after his money. This of course was all told to her after she was older, because she was only a toddler when they came back.
If I am teaching a beginning genealogy class, I always say ask all the questions of the elders you can think of. How we all wish we had done that. My grandma lived to be 103, in sound mind, but I was not interested in genealogy until the day she had a stroke while I was at the Library starting my genealogy quest.
Janice Enk
By the way... one of Henry G. Conder and Dica Scott's sons (my
g-grandfather) was "Isaac" Floyd Conder. One never knows how given names get passed
around, but it's occurrence in a Scott-related line may be significant. I
think the "Floyd" name may have entered our line via a Disciples preacher
there in Owen County, Rev. E.H. Floyd of Bethel Christian Church, though I
don't know his actual dates of service.
Ken C.
In a message dated 12/20/2010 7:28:13 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
vwhite0901(a)aol.com writes:
Avis is still online....I just got an email from her the other day.
I have to dig out my Scott info and see if I can find anything you've been
asking about. In my "other" Scott file. If I find anything, I will get
back to you.
N.J.SkinnerWhite
vwhite0901(a)aol.com
"Remember the days of old; consider the generations long
past."(Deuteronomy 32:7a)
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From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: Indiana Owen Rootsweb <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:44 am
Subject: [INOWEN] Fw: Re: Scott Family
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:40 AM
Who has a good record of the children of William N. B. Scott and his wife
Zurilda Wood? I have a fuzzy mention of a daughter who might have been a
twin
of Isaac, who if she existed, seems to have died before the census when
Isaac
was one year old. Named for her mother, W. Surilda. Where did I pick
this
up? The names of the children are Isaac boran 1848, died before 1865
(omitted
from the will of his grandfather Willis Wood), Samuel Willis (or Willis
Samuel)
born 1851; Louvisa (Louisa) F. or L. born 1852; Mary S. (Surilda?) born
1854;
William C. born 1855; Harriet Emerine (Amy) born 1827, died 1867 buried
with her
mother in Hicks Cemetery.
Some of this is from Avis Wood Daniels. Are you still out there, Avis?
nancy
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To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names
in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
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Thank you, Nancy. I know Brown County has a lot of data on T.C. Steele, but
since the location is not all that far from Owen County, I was just curious.
Have a Merry Christmas.
Jo
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From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 8:58:49 AM
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
I have wondered the same thing, but I do not have the answer. We have visited
the T. C. Steele site. As I recall, however, he came to Brown County from the
east, looking for a lovely spot to paint, and was not in Indiana so early as our
pioneer Ninian Steele. I'll see if I can find that story.
nancy
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Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 11:40 PM
I have to ask...is this the same Steele family who has an art studio over near
Nashville in Brown County? I have some great paintings from Brown Co. and just
wondered. Thanks.
Jo Cluck
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From: John Morrel <morcor(a)comcast.net>
To: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 2:43:37 PM
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co
Craig, The church was near Spencer. The following description is from
http://www2.indianahistory.org/library/manuscripts/collection_guides/F058...
Bethany Presbyterian Church was founded in 1820 in Owen County, Indiana, near
Spencer. At first the church met in the home of Ninian Steele, then in a log
building. After four or five years the building was moved eighty rods, then
rebuilt and used until 1873. At that time, a new frame building was erected, and
the old building rented as a dwelling. In the 1870s the congregation dwindled
because two groups of communicants moved west, one to Iowa and the other to
Texas. There was a centennial celebration in 1920.
There are extensive session records for the congregation beginning on 20 March
1820.
John
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Hi All,
As Nancy Scott knows, my Conder ancestors were connected to the VA Scotts.
My 2xg-grandmother was Dica Scott, a daughter Samuel Scott and Milly
Foster. She was born in 1828, and later married Henry G. Conder. Dica's
sister, Agnes, married a McNaught. Both families later moved on to McLean
County, IL, and both eventually ended up at Girard, KS.
I keep looking for leads on the Conders. I've got Henry G. Conder's
parents, Thomas Conder (b. ca. 1802) and Nancy Whittinghill. They apparently
came to Owen County from Kentucky between 1840 and 1850, but there were also
earlier Conders in Owen County. I've never been able to find Thomas's
parents (though I have several possibilities -- my best "guess" is George
Conder and Susannah Goodnight). Before Kentucky the Conders were in North
Carolina.
I'd love to hear from any Scott researchers (or others) who might also have
additional Conder information.
Ken Cuthbertson
Albuquerque, NM
In a message dated 12/20/2010 2:44:48 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
nrscott30(a)yahoo.com writes:
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:11 AM
Sandra,
Here's what I have - somewhat dubious.
Samuel Scott and Milly Foster had a son William N. B. Scott (what do the
middle initials stand for?). 1821-1868. His wife was Zorilda Wood 1830 -
1857. One of their children was Isaac, (perhaps a twin of Willis S.) born
1848 and died before 1865.
The only one of the children of William N. B. Scott & Zorilda Wood that I
have firm dates is Harriet Emerine Scott, 1827-1867. We have seen her
tombstone with her mother in the Hicks Cemetery in Owen County, IN. If you
think this Isaac might be the person you were seeking, let me know.
Nancy Skinner White: Do you have any Isaac Scott in your family?
Sandra, there are two Scott lines in Owen County fairly early, one came
from VA (ours) in the 1820s, and also early one came from OH (family
traced by Nancy Skinner White). These two families occasionally came
close together as in-laws. A third family named Scott, African Americans,
came to Owen County in the late 1800s. We have not shown connection with
that family to the other two.
Happy hunting!
nancy
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Subject: Scott Family
To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names
in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
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T.C. Steele
Theodore Clement Steele is perhaps the most famous of the “Hoosier Group” of American impressionist painters. Other painters in the group included William Forsyth, J. Ottis Adams, Richard B. Gruelle and Otto Stark. These five artists trained abroad but returned to Indiana and developed a distinctive style of
landscape painting.
Born in Owen County, on Sept. 11, 1847, T.C. Steele moved to Waveland, southwest of Crawfordsville, when he was 5 years old. Steele attended a college prep school called the Waveland Collegiate Institute, where he was given a box of paints and began to develop his talent as an artist. By the age of 13, he was giving his fellow students lessons in drawing.
Steele also received some instruction in Cincinnati and Chicago and later moved to Indianapolis to become a portrait painter. In 1870, he married Mary Elizabeth Lakin. For the first few years of their marriage, they lived in Battle Creek, Mich., where Steele did some portrait painting. The couple returned to Indianapolis in 1873 and T.C. began painting portraits of wealthy Indianapolis residents, some of whom supported the artist enough to fund five years of study in Munich, Germany. In 1880, T.C. and Mary left for Europe
with their three children, Brandt, Daisy and Shirley.
While in Munich, T.C. studied under professors at the Royal Academy alongside three other members of the Hoosier Group – J. Ottis Adams, William Forsyth and Otto Stark. The Steele family
returned to Indianapolis in 1885 and T.C. opened an art school in addition to painting portraits. Though T.C. made his living by painting portraits, he knew that painting landscapes was his true love. He wanted to capture the light and color of the autumn landscape and spent summers and autumns in the country so that he could work on his landscapes. He even purchased a “studio wagon” in which he and his family could travel the countryside in comfort.
In the 1890s, Steele became a nationally recognized painter, but this success was bittersweet due to his beloved wife’s death in 1895. After Mary’s death, he decided to focus on painting landscapes, something his wife had always encouraged him to do. Steele purchased 200 heavily wooded acres in Brown County, married Selma Neubacher, the assistant superintendent
of art in the Indianapolis school system, and settled into “The House of the Singing Winds” to paint the hilly landscapes of this rural area near Bloomington.
At first, his farmer neighbors thought Steele and his wife were strange. The Steeles were refined “city folk” who did not seem to understand that the land was to be worked for profit,
not captured in art. Over time, the neighbors came to respect the artist. Steele eventually became an honorary professor at Indiana University. He
died on July 24, 1926.
Bibliography
“Biographical Sketch” in Indiana Historical Society’s Collection Guide for the Theodore Clement Steele and Mary Lakin Steele Papers, 1869 to 1966. Indiana Historical Society.
“Hoosier Group of Indiana Painters.” Ball State University Museum of Art.
Price, Nelson. Indiana Legends: Famous Hoosiers from Johnny Appleseed to David Letterman. Carmel, Indiana: Guild Press of Indiana, 1997.
http://www.indianahistory.org/teachers-students/students/famous-hoosiers/t.c.-steele
The book that I gave the link to, and the antique original one that I have are Vol. 1 I haven't seen or heard if a Vol 2 was ever published. Perhaps, the one that you are reading is Vol 2?
Barb
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
To: inowen <inowen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [INOWEN] River running through Owen Co.
I see that although the dates of publication and titles seem to be similar, we
re talking about two different books. The book I am working from (OWEN COUNTY,
NDIANA, 1884, Spencer, 1997) omits "White River," and only says "the river,"
ence this lengthy discussion of the rivers in and adjoining Indiana, Owen
ounty and vicinity! :-)
till wondering if the Ohio River ever froze over enough to bring horses and
eople across.
erry Christmas, Owen county folks!
ancy
ancy
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o: inowen(a)rootsweb.com
ate: Monday, December 20, 2010, 3:56 AM
All I know about the White River is that the Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana
ook , originally published in 1884, says:
John Dunn and his wife Margaret Dunn, with their six children, were the next to
rrive. Their oldest child, Samuel W. Dunn was then 13 years of age and is still
iving in Washington Township. On February 5, 1817 they crossed the White River
n the ice and camped near the spring at the south end of the 'narrows'. " In
nother place it talks about them running the first ferry on the White river.
arb
<< Again correct me, but the White River runs through Indianapolis [Marion
o.}and it also runs through Columbus, IN {Bartholomew Co.}>>>>
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From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:40 AM
Who has a good record of the children of William N. B. Scott and his wife Zurilda Wood? I have a fuzzy mention of a daughter who might have been a twin of Isaac, who if she existed, seems to have died before the census when Isaac was one year old. Named for her mother, W. Surilda. Where did I pick this up? The names of the children are Isaac boran 1848, died before 1865 (omitted from the will of his grandfather Willis Wood), Samuel Willis (or Willis Samuel) born 1851; Louvisa (Louisa) F. or L. born 1852; Mary S. (Surilda?) born 1854; William C. born 1855; Harriet Emerine (Amy) born 1827, died 1867 buried with her mother in Hicks Cemetery.
Some of this is from Avis Wood Daniels. Are you still out there, Avis?
nancy
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wrote:
From: SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Scott Family
To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
--- On Mon, 12/20/10, Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Nancy Scott <nrscott30(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scott Family; attn Nancy Skinner White & Sandra Jones
To: SanSJo(a)aol.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 9:11 AM
Sandra,
Here's what I have - somewhat dubious.
Samuel Scott and Milly Foster had a son William N. B. Scott (what do the middle initials stand for?). 1821-1868. His wife was Zorilda Wood 1830 - 1857. One of their children was Isaac, (perhaps a twin of Willis S.) born 1848 and died before 1865.
The only one of the children of William N. B. Scott & Zorilda Wood that I have firm dates is Harriet Emerine Scott, 1827-1867. We have seen her tombstone with her mother in the Hicks Cemetery in Owen County, IN. If you think this Isaac might be the person you were seeking, let me know.
Nancy Skinner White: Do you have any Isaac Scott in your family?
Sandra, there are two Scott lines in Owen County fairly early, one came from VA (ours) in the 1820s, and also early one came from OH (family
traced by Nancy Skinner White). These two families occasionally came close together as in-laws. A third family named Scott, African Americans, came to Owen County in the late 1800s. We have not shown connection with that family to the other two.
Happy hunting!
nancy
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From: SanSJo(a)aol.com <SanSJo(a)aol.com>
Subject: Scott Family
To: nrscott30(a)yahoo.com
Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 5:29 AM
I have a Susanna Scott, who married Frederick Coates......they were in
Patricksburg. Her father was Isaac Scott...........do you have these names in
your Scott family.
Thanks
Sandra Jones
All I know about the White River is that the Counties of Clay and Owen Indiana book , originally published in 1884, says:
"John Dunn and his wife Margaret Dunn, with their six children, were the next to arrive. Their oldest child, Samuel W. Dunn was then 13 years of age and is still living in Washington Township. On February 5, 1817 they crossed the White River on the ice and camped near the spring at the south end of the 'narrows'. " In another place it talks about them running the first ferry on the White river.
Barb
<<< Again correct me, but the White River runs through Indianapolis [Marion
Co.}and it also runs through Columbus, IN {Bartholomew Co.}>>>>