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my great grandfather was Henry Francisco Davidson, bn in Salem In in 1850.
he died in 1934 and is buried in paoli, in. (orange co.)
Henry's father was thomas j. davidson 1829-1875. Thomas' wife was mary
andrew.
thomas' father is believed to have been daniel davidson who married a caty
beryman.
is anyone studing this line. if so, please contact me at amurray390(a)aol.com.
thanks, allen "davidson" murray.
A special thanks to Peter Smith and Thaks to Alice And Don And every one that is trying to get this puzzle solved Was there any kind of school records kept in say from 1830 there and if so where would they be. My school records are still here in court house. after almost 80 yrs. Mary Lou
Be sure to realize that 1 male 15-20 does not mean that male was his
son, it could have been nephew. I've often also made that assumption,
and later find it was a laboror, or other child "not" related. There
were many orphans in that era taken in to families.
Don Cordell
Morgan wrote:
>
> Thank you so very much. Yes it does help I have never heard of the Ayer
> before? Thank you again Mary Lou
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DC & Alice Allen" <dcaallen(a)pacifier.com>
> To: <INORANGE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [INORANGE] 1840 Fed. Census for Henry Dougherty
>
> Mary Lou:
>
> Here's what it shows for Henry Dougherty in 1840:
>
> 1 male 15-20; 1 male 50-60
> 1 female under 5; 1 female 10-15; 1 female 40-50
>
> Listed next, and since this seems to be in alphabetical order there's no way
> of knowing for sure how close in this township they lived, is an Ayer
> Dougherty, as follows:
>
> 1 male 20-30; 1 female 20-30
>
> There's also a Michael Dougherty in the same twp., as follows:
>
> 1 male under 5; 1 male 30-40
> 2 females udner 5; 1 female 30-40
>
> These are all in Sout West twp., Orange Co. IN.
>
> The index also lists the following Dougherty's in Orange Co., 1840 census,
> in case any of them are yours:
>
> George and George Jr. (North East twp.)
> John (North West twp)
> Patrick (Paoli)
> John (South East twp)
> Gabriel & Robbert (Stampers Creek)
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Alice Allen
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 11/11/2003 at 5:58 AM morgan14u(a)itlnet.net wrote:
>
> >Is there some kind soul out there that could give me the children of
> >Henry Dougherty in 1840. I have them on the 1820, 1830 and 1850 and
> >they do not jibe with the probate.
> >In 1830 alone he had 7 children listed. on the census.
> >and another at least was born in 1835. so that is eight. and in all
> >probality the one born in 1830 was not counted. which would put it at 9.
> >and probate does not list a single boy. and there is at least 3 one was
> >still home in 1840 I think. every one that is helping is much
> >appriciated by me. Mary Lou
Mary Lou:
Here's what it shows for Henry Dougherty in 1840:
1 male 15-20; 1 male 50-60
1 female under 5; 1 female 10-15; 1 female 40-50
Listed next, and since this seems to be in alphabetical order there's no way of knowing for sure how close in this township they lived, is an Ayer Dougherty, as follows:
1 male 20-30; 1 female 20-30
There's also a Michael Dougherty in the same twp., as follows:
1 male under 5; 1 male 30-40
2 females udner 5; 1 female 30-40
These are all in Sout West twp., Orange Co. IN.
The index also lists the following Dougherty's in Orange Co., 1840 census, in case any of them are yours:
George and George Jr. (North East twp.)
John (North West twp)
Patrick (Paoli)
John (South East twp)
Gabriel & Robbert (Stampers Creek)
Hope this helps,
Alice Allen
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 11/11/2003 at 5:58 AM morgan14u(a)itlnet.net wrote:
>Is there some kind soul out there that could give me the children of
>Henry Dougherty in 1840. I have them on the 1820, 1830 and 1850 and
>they do not jibe with the probate.
>In 1830 alone he had 7 children listed. on the census.
>and another at least was born in 1835. so that is eight. and in all
>probality the one born in 1830 was not counted. which would put it at 9.
>and probate does not list a single boy. and there is at least 3 one was
>still home in 1840 I think. every one that is helping is much
>appriciated by me. Mary Lou
Is there some kind soul out there that could give me the children of Henry Dougherty in 1840. I have them on the 1820, 1830 and 1850 and they do not jibe with the probate.
In 1830 alone he had 7 children listed. on the census.
and another at least was born in 1835. so that is eight. and in all probality the one born in 1830 was not counted. which would put it at 9. and probate does not list a single boy. and there is at least 3 one was still home in 1840 I think. every one that is helping is much appriciated by me. Mary Lou
Is Thelma Lindley still around ? We before (computers) used to write back and forth (distant cousins). I need to ask her a question or someone in the Orange County area who is researching the Harned family. Thanks for any help.
Joseph
> . I don't suppose you know her family, which would tell you where the
> children were.
>
> I have no clue, as to the mother's name. Since Zachariah died in 1843, that
was before the census started putting names, other than the householder.
I have some pages out of a very old family Bible, but it only gave his date
of birth and death. And even if the mother survived some catastrophy, and did
marry again, I don't even know her name, so that I could look for her.
I do appreciate your taking the time to think this over, and offer your
thoughts.
I have just about given up on this one. Guess this is the one brick wall I
can't climb.
So far, I haven't found anything about any of this family in Lawrence County,
but you never know..... Wanda
Martha;
Now there is a different slant. I had never thought in that direction. THANK
YOU! However, since I don't know the name of the mother, and the papers were
filed under her name.
AND, I hadn't given a thought of a first wife. I had just looked at the age
on the census, and since it was always consistant, assumed it was the same...
THANK YOU,
Wanda
Doris L.
Thank you so very much for this bit of information. I apreciate any and all
help.
I have struggled with this for about 5 years now, and still haven't resolved
it.
Wanda
> Levi Cox, who would have been 5 years old at the time.
Sharon, I appreciate your response. You put a great insight to the questions
posted to the list!
I did find Levi later, when he was listed on the Livingston County MO census,
as a 13 year old, living in the household of his uncle & aunt, Levi & Cynthia
Cox.
I would like to know how to find his mother. To learn her name, and what
happened to her. And to know what happened to the other siblings that were listed
on the 1840 census in Orange County. There were 9 children at that time.
I have only found 4.......
Wanda,
I had some other thoughts on this - there might be another guardianship record where the mother is made guardian of the younger children.
Another thought - if the older children were from a first wife, it is possible that they are heirs to their mother's father's estate and would require a guardian.
This certainly has something to do with inheriting some land or money. I would check the land records and try to find some family connection. There might also be partition records which are separate from land records. Partition records are where a tract of land was inherited and the heirs petition for the land to be divided among the heirs - usually gives a good listing of all parties involved.
Martha Kleihege
A person who died in Orange Co. IN could have a probate record also filed
in another county (such as Livingston Co, MO) if there was a property or
estate settlement to be filed there.
Also, you will sometimes find guardianship records in probate dockets, as
I have found some in Crawford Co. IN. You may find records in the most
unexpected files, so check all county record books for that time period in the
counties involved.
Doris L. dleistner(a)aol.com
Wanda,
Just one thought, as it is unusual for only the older children to have
guardians. Perhaps his widow remarried and her new husband was willing to
take the younger children into his home. Another possibility: the
mother's parents or siblings were willing to care for the younger
children. In the latter circumstance, perhaps the mother had also died and
her family could take the young ones. I can't think of a situation where a
person deceased in Orange Co IN would have a probate document in Livingston
Co MO.
If the Mom needed help with guardians, it would be in a guardianship
docket, not a probate docket. Usually the guardians were members of the
same church or family/friends of the parents.
Interesting problem!
Sharon
At 02:07 PM 11/3/2003, you wrote:
>In a message dated 11/2/03 9:08:21 AM Central Standard Time,
>INORANGE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
>
>
> > Do you mean they were disinherited from the Quaker faith
>
>Sharon, sorry I didn't make it clear WHAT they were disinherited from. It was
>the church. And yes most if not all the family migrated west. Going from KY>
>NC>VA>IN>MO>TX.
>The main reason I need to find where Zachariah Cox died is. I found a
>document from a probate court in Livingston County MO, dated November 7th,
>1843. This
>lists three of his children, Nancy Cox, age 14, Samuel W. Cox, age 17, and
>Malinda Cox age 18. They were appointed guardians. Did not mention any of the
>younger ones, one of which was my Gr-grgrandfather, Levi Cox, who would have
>been 5 years old at the time. Nor did they make any mention of the mother of
>these children.
>So that leaves me to wonder if Zac died in Orange County, where they were
>living in 1840. Or if they had moved to Missouri just prior to his death.
>
>Thanks for your interest,
>Wanda
In a message dated 11/2/03 9:08:21 AM Central Standard Time,
INORANGE-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
> Do you mean they were disinherited from the Quaker faith
Sharon, sorry I didn't make it clear WHAT they were disinherited from. It was
the church. And yes most if not all the family migrated west. Going from KY>
NC>VA>IN>MO>TX.
The main reason I need to find where Zachariah Cox died is. I found a
document from a probate court in Livingston County MO, dated November 7th, 1843. This
lists three of his children, Nancy Cox, age 14, Samuel W. Cox, age 17, and
Malinda Cox age 18. They were appointed guardians. Did not mention any of the
younger ones, one of which was my Gr-grgrandfather, Levi Cox, who would have
been 5 years old at the time. Nor did they make any mention of the mother of
these children.
So that leaves me to wonder if Zac died in Orange County, where they were
living in 1840. Or if they had moved to Missouri just prior to his death.
Thanks for your interest,
Wanda
Burma,
I agree with everything you have said.
Sharon Mills
At 10:21 AM 11/3/2003, you wrote:
>I applaud Ms. Davis for her help with the historical records in Orange
>County. However, would like to add a possible problem that can occur if
>Ms. Davis should get ill or her family would be put in charge of her
>belongings. I live in a small town that also had one elderly man who was
>the person that housed the archives for the Historical Society. We had no
>building and through apathy (and dare I say neglect) on the association's
>part this man was volunteered to hold the records. He passed and the
>family came down to take care of his affairs. They piled all the papers
>he had in his house out in the yard and burnt them. They had no
>connection to the town and didn't care about what happened to them. No
>plans or instructions had been put together should just such a situation
>occur. Just a caution. Perhaps these papers should be discussed by the
>membership and some plans be made ahead of time that they be given to the
>county or to someone else should anything happen. I also live with an
>attorney who also cautioned me to drop you all a line. Hopefully Ms.
>Davis has already thought ahead to any contingency and has already taken
>care of this issue. Again, I applaud Ms. Davis for taking the steps she
>has already taken to place the items somewhere safe for the time being. It
>is always difficult to have somewhere in a small town situation to take
>care of items that folks who are not historians or genealogists see as so
>much junk. Again, thank you Ms. Davis for you help and good luck in
>finding a permanent home for these priceless items.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Burma L. Wilkins
>
>
>
>
>Erayl(a)aol.com
>11/02/2003 09:36 AM
>Please respond to INORANGE-L
>
>
> To: INORANGE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [INORANGE] Seeking info for help
>
>
>All of you wondering about the historical records in Paoli:
>
>Wilma Davis hosts the Orange County Historical Society out of her house (I
>
>believe she's still its president). Wilma archives many books, family
>histories,
>genealogy charts, family Bible records, and other pertinent references to
>the
>history of Orange County. Because of it's early association with the NC
>Quakers who migrated to Indiana, there are lots of references to our
>Quaker
>ancestors who settled around Paoli.
>
>Wilma has a photocopier that the historical society paid for. You are
>welcome
>at the time of your visit to make copies of most materials found there
>(please pay by the page). As Wilma is not a "young" lady, don't expect her
>to do
>research for you. When I visited last spring, I made copies of my family
>research
>and left it with Wilma for her files.
>
>I've found the little Carnegie Library in Paoli to have a undeveloped
>genealogy division. There are some family files there, but not as
>extensive as what
>Wilma has collected through the years.
>
>There is a little history museum on the NW corner of the courthouse square
>in
>Paoli, but there's no phone and it's only open by appointment. I think
>Marjorie Lapping is the contact there (can't find my notes right now).
>Orange County
>is one of the poorest Indiana counties and it's mostly the older ladies
>who
>preserve the historic and genealogical collections in the county. We
>should be
>grateful that they continue to do what others won't or can't in Orange
>County!
>
>Public records are still with the county, not with Wilma. Land records
>(County Clerk's office) are in the administration building a block east of
>the
>courthouse; the county still retains the marriage records in the County
>Courthouse.
>The land records go back earlier than the formation of Orange County in
>1816;
>someone wisely copied Washington County land record books and shared them
>with Orange County ( Orange County was formed from Washington Co). I
>think there
>may be some copies of earlier NW territorial records there, too.
>
>As for contacting the Clerk's office for copies of records, they are
>required
>by state law NOT to turn anyone away from accessing public records, but if
>
>you request your research by mail, they may complete your request when
>it's
>convenient to your schedule, which is usually not at the time your request
>is
>received. Sometimes a phone call prior to sending your request helps
>grease the
>wheel. If at all possible, try to make a visit in person (call for hours,
>and
>they won't be open on weekends). In Paoli, you may handle and copy the
>record
>books yourself and pay when you leave.
>
>Hope this clears up some of the questions concerning researching in Paoli.
>
>Eleanor Rayl
>
>
>In a message dated 11/1/03 4:02:16 PM, Sharon Mill writes:
>
><< Mary Lou,
>
>Sorry, I'm not in Orange County, and I can't plan a trip to go there and
>look right now.
>
>Are you saying that a private individual has county public records at her
>home? Maybe some one in Lawrence Co can shed some light on this.
>
>Sharon >>
I applaud Ms. Davis for her help with the historical records in Orange
County. However, would like to add a possible problem that can occur if
Ms. Davis should get ill or her family would be put in charge of her
belongings. I live in a small town that also had one elderly man who was
the person that housed the archives for the Historical Society. We had no
building and through apathy (and dare I say neglect) on the association's
part this man was volunteered to hold the records. He passed and the
family came down to take care of his affairs. They piled all the papers
he had in his house out in the yard and burnt them. They had no
connection to the town and didn't care about what happened to them. No
plans or instructions had been put together should just such a situation
occur. Just a caution. Perhaps these papers should be discussed by the
membership and some plans be made ahead of time that they be given to the
county or to someone else should anything happen. I also live with an
attorney who also cautioned me to drop you all a line. Hopefully Ms.
Davis has already thought ahead to any contingency and has already taken
care of this issue. Again, I applaud Ms. Davis for taking the steps she
has already taken to place the items somewhere safe for the time being. It
is always difficult to have somewhere in a small town situation to take
care of items that folks who are not historians or genealogists see as so
much junk. Again, thank you Ms. Davis for you help and good luck in
finding a permanent home for these priceless items.
Sincerely,
Burma L. Wilkins
Erayl(a)aol.com
11/02/2003 09:36 AM
Please respond to INORANGE-L
To: INORANGE-L(a)rootsweb.com
cc:
Subject: Re: [INORANGE] Seeking info for help
All of you wondering about the historical records in Paoli:
Wilma Davis hosts the Orange County Historical Society out of her house (I
believe she's still its president). Wilma archives many books, family
histories,
genealogy charts, family Bible records, and other pertinent references to
the
history of Orange County. Because of it's early association with the NC
Quakers who migrated to Indiana, there are lots of references to our
Quaker
ancestors who settled around Paoli.
Wilma has a photocopier that the historical society paid for. You are
welcome
at the time of your visit to make copies of most materials found there
(please pay by the page). As Wilma is not a "young" lady, don't expect her
to do
research for you. When I visited last spring, I made copies of my family
research
and left it with Wilma for her files.
I've found the little Carnegie Library in Paoli to have a undeveloped
genealogy division. There are some family files there, but not as
extensive as what
Wilma has collected through the years.
There is a little history museum on the NW corner of the courthouse square
in
Paoli, but there's no phone and it's only open by appointment. I think
Marjorie Lapping is the contact there (can't find my notes right now).
Orange County
is one of the poorest Indiana counties and it's mostly the older ladies
who
preserve the historic and genealogical collections in the county. We
should be
grateful that they continue to do what others won't or can't in Orange
County!
Public records are still with the county, not with Wilma. Land records
(County Clerk's office) are in the administration building a block east of
the
courthouse; the county still retains the marriage records in the County
Courthouse.
The land records go back earlier than the formation of Orange County in
1816;
someone wisely copied Washington County land record books and shared them
with Orange County ( Orange County was formed from Washington Co). I
think there
may be some copies of earlier NW territorial records there, too.
As for contacting the Clerk's office for copies of records, they are
required
by state law NOT to turn anyone away from accessing public records, but if
you request your research by mail, they may complete your request when
it's
convenient to your schedule, which is usually not at the time your request
is
received. Sometimes a phone call prior to sending your request helps
grease the
wheel. If at all possible, try to make a visit in person (call for hours,
and
they won't be open on weekends). In Paoli, you may handle and copy the
record
books yourself and pay when you leave.
Hope this clears up some of the questions concerning researching in Paoli.
Eleanor Rayl
In a message dated 11/1/03 4:02:16 PM, Sharon Mill writes:
<< Mary Lou,
Sorry, I'm not in Orange County, and I can't plan a trip to go there and
look right now.
Are you saying that a private individual has county public records at her
home? Maybe some one in Lawrence Co can shed some light on this.
Sharon >>
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