I'm sure you are absolutely right. I find it all very interesting how our
communities grew over time and all the changes they went through.
Denise
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM, <s.m.mills(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Denise, there is probably information at the ISA and elsewhere that
would
give laws pertaining to the establishment of courts. I think each county
would need to be checked in regard to establishment of various courts,
following the passing of laws pertaining to each court. Because of the way
Indiana was settled (early settlements, then land acquisitions by treaty),
I suspect there were great variances in the way counties handled
matters...nothing like the predictable procedures of the present day. (:
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denise Wells" <scindianagenweb(a)gmail.com>
To: inmorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 4:06:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Morgan Co IN] Help with Indiana source book reference
Sharon. Thanks for your reply on the courts progression. I lived in Indy
and worked in the legal field there for 30 years, so am more familiar with
the larger court system, and now in Miami-Dade but haven't done much
research in the records here in Southern Florida.
I agree that many interesting things can be found in the recorded public
records. Always fun to see these strange things.
Denise, State Coordinator
INGenWeb
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> On Jan 5, 2014, at 7:53 PM, s.m.mills(a)comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> Denise,
> Oddly enough, the deed book was used in Morgan County to record diverse
transactions. For example, one of the early entries is the purchase made by
a free black woman. She bought her husband, who was a slave, and recorded
the sale in the deed book. Morgan County History and Genealogy Association
is considering indexing or abstracting the first and maybe second deed
books to show these unusual entries.
> I don't know when probate courts were established, but they were likely
established after there was sufficient population owning land that needed
to be left to someone. I know the probates in Parke County begin in 1834.
Maybe they began about the same time or earlier in Morgan County. I think
Courts of Common Pleas came later, because (again, working in Parke
County), we found few references in the early probate boxes. Later we found
many of these cases stuffed into the probates, probably because no one knew
what else to do with them. Prior to the establishment of county courts,
much of the legal work was done in each township by Justices of the Peace.
These men acted on issues and brought the records to the county seat
occasionally. Whether they recorded their work in order books or not, I
can't say. I suspect many of their records were lost.
> I think Order Books should coincide with the establishment of the
probate and other courts. Sadly, a significant number of Morgan County
records (including original probate files) were destroyed many years ago.
Others are hard to obtain, but there is a microfilm department in the Court
House which should have copies of existing relevant records. Morgan County
has sent some original records to the Indiana State Archives, both
microfilm and originals, which are available through that agency.
> Sharon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Denise Wells" <scindianagenweb(a)gmail.com>
> To: inmorgan(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 6:05:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Morgan Co IN] Help with Indiana source book reference
>
> Why would he look I'm the Deed Book?
>
> I'm not sure how name changes took place back that far in time; however,
in Indiana, while I lived there prior to 2001, all name changes in
Indianapolis were handled through the Probate Court. I'm not sure what
courts were in place In Morgan County in that time period.
>
> Now, if he owned real property (real estate, as opposed to personal
property) he may have had to file a new deed transferring the title from
his name Peacock to Lamb. So
> Yes, those would definitely be recorded in the Deed recorders office.
>
> Also, documents that needed to be recorded otherwise would be published
in Order Books or some other specific type of record book.
>
> It's a shame that all these records are not available back that far.
>
> I have seen some very interesting records recorded in Arizona when I was
doing bankruptcy work for an AZ attorney.
>
> Denise, State Coordinator
> INGenWeb
>
www.ingenweb.org
>
>
>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 5:14 PM, s.m.mills(a)comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Ryan,
>> I suspect you have all the relevant information in the reference. Since
the IHS has microfilm, you could pursue a copy from them. I am not sure if
the record made it back to Morgan County, but if it did, I still think the
Recorder's office would be the logical place to inquire. If it's not in an
early deed book, it might be in "Miscellaneous Records", another type of
book kept in that office.
>> You will need to have great patience in requesting information or help
from the Archives. They are always short-handed.
>> You are welcome. I learned something from checking into your post.
>> Sharon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan Cramer" <cramerryan(a)hotmail.com>
>> To: inmorgan(a)rootsweb.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:06:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Morgan Co IN] Help with Indiana source book reference
>>
>> Thank you very much Sharon. This is very useful information. I will
check with the Indiana a State Archives first. It sounds like Morgan county
may not have the information if the state legislature handled this matter.
But I will certainly check the county deed records if I can't find anything
through the early legislative sessions.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 03:07:57 +0000
>>> From: s.m.mills(a)comcast.net
>>> To: inmorgan(a)rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Morgan Co IN] Help with Indiana source book reference
>>>
>>> I don't have your complete answer, but I think I have a start for you.
Before courts of common pleas were set up, there were a couple of ways
citizens could take care of legal business. Maybe more. One was to ask the
township JP to write something up and take it to the Court House. Another
was to have a non-deed published in the deed book that was current, say
deed books 1 or 2. In the case of divorces and other personal matters, one
could petition the state legislature. I think this may be what the Peacock
family did.
>>> I would still check the Morgan County deed book of 1826-1827 to see if
the matter is mentioned; however, a useful call for you would be the
Indiana State Archives, where a researcher could help you to understand the
formation and nature of the "Indiana Historical Collection", which is the
reference from which your reference about the "Laws 1826-1827" was taken.
>>> I looked at Source Book III, your resource, and found the information
was an extractions of names of citizens and their legal actions from (it
appears to me) early legislative sessions.
>>> Clearly this was a very serious attempt to document early citizens and
this aspect of their lives.
>>> Sharon Mills
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ryan Cramer" <cramerryan(a)hotmail.com>
>>> To: inmorgan(a)rootsweb.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:26:42 PM
>>> Subject: [Morgan Co IN] Help with Indiana source book reference
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I found a reference in the "Indiana source book" regarding one of
my
wife's ancestors who lived in Morgan County. It mentions that John Peacock,
his wife susannah, and children Louisa, Madison, and Betsy changed their
last name to Lamb. I wanted to find out what the original document said, so
I wrote to the Morgan County court to get a copy of it. The reference in
the Indiana Source Book is:
>>>
>>> Under Morgan County:
>>> Laws, 1825-26, pp 42-43
>>>
>>> The court said that they did extensive research into the civil order
books, but couldn't find anything, but they don't know exactly what the
citation means.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any idea where I could look to find this document?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ryan Cramer
>>>
>>>
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