I have copied an obit for Abraham Hite, Rev. War vet, who died in
Jefferson County in July, l832. The article was in the "Wabash Courier," Terre
Haute. I will copy for anyone interested. Contact me at: _rbrickroom(a)aol.com_
(mailto:rbrickroom@aol.com) . Dixie Kline Richardson, former Owen County
Historian
In a message dated 2/20/2013 7:43:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
injeffer-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
Today's Topics:
1. OLD SEARCH (bugszie(a)aol.com)
2. Re: OLD SEARCH (bobwscott(a)aol.com)
3. Re: OLD SEARCH (MaDark(a)aol.com)
4. Re: OLD SEARCH (bobwscott(a)aol.com)
5. Re: using resources and sometimes paying (Bill Davis)
6. Re: using resources and sometimes paying (bobwscott(a)aol.com)
7. Re: OLD SEARCH (jarindy(a)comcast.net)
8. Re: OLD SEARCH (bobwscott(a)aol.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:37:12 -0500 (EST)
From: bugszie(a)aol.com
Subject: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
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Everyone I know who is a searious reserach is using old search. When is
ancestry going to listen. The new search does not organize the information
in a manner that allows people to find what they are looking for.
I wish they would shut the new search down, and ask their long term
researches how they want to see the data.
Marlene D. Seaton
505 831 3335
505 350 1332C
3939 Oxbow Village Ln NW
Albuquerque, NM 87120-1179
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:48:46 -0500 (EST)
From: bobwscott(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <8CFDDA9A9D16C54-1B24-2A2F5(a)webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com>
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And new search cannot access Ancestry World trees. Only Public member
trees. Ancestry World trees are so much easier to work with (although it's so
much easier for people to copy your entire tree and put it up under their
own name)
-----Original Message-----
From: bugszie <bugszie(a)aol.com>
To: injeffer <injeffer(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 12:39 pm
Subject: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
Everyone I know who is a searious reserach is using old search. When is
ancestry going to listen. The new search does not organize the
information in a
manner that allows people to find what they are looking for.
I wish they would shut the new search down, and ask their long term
researches
how they want to see the data.
Marlene D. Seaton
505 831 3335
505 350 1332C
3939 Oxbow Village Ln NW
Albuquerque, NM 87120-1179
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:08:56 -0500 (EST)
From: MaDark(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
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Bob, I ran in to a distant relative that had information that I very
much
needed. I had contacted her through Ancestry. She pumped me for 4every
scrap of information I had but never gave me any information. She told me
her
Dad didn't want any of it public. When I asked her to verify who she was
and her connection to me she said "read my book when it is published". I
contacted Ancestry, sent them copies of the emails and they contacted
her.
They revoked her membership. At that point, I made my trees private. I
do
release a great deal of information but I ask for verification first.
Ma
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:50:33 -0500 (EST)
From: bobwscott(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <8CFDDB24C231022-1B24-2B93D(a)webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com>
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It's pretty hard to track down all the people that steal stuff. If I went
after everybody that copied hundreds of words of my writing (including my
inclusion of a copyright notice, which does not mean work is not copyrighted
without a notice) I'd never get anything done. The LDS went through the
Madison library more than 20 years ago and photocopied all the family files
including several of my families. Never checked with anybody to see if the
owner was living, and they put them into their public library. But the stuff
was so out of date by the time I found it I figured everybody can copy
old inaccurate stuff if they want. I know where I made mistakes and corrected
them.
For example, I can tell that virtually every tree on Ancestry about the
descendents of Joseph Hankins and Ralph Griffin of Jefferson County derives
most of their information from my work, whether a direct copy or second or
third hand. I can tell by assumptions I made about some unproved ages and
relationships made years ago that I have since changed. I can also tell
because they go down many lines only as far as I went down them.
I use other people's Gedcoms, but only as a method of data entry. I add as
much info as I can to make it different since I often had the names and
relationships anyway and so it's not a copy.
Beyond copying narratives, there's the simple uploading of Gedcom data
which has no narrative. Since Gedcoms often purely names and dates, it's not
worth fighting about. If you've seen the State Farm Insurance add about
the "French Model" there's the young lady who says "They can't put
anything
on the Internet if it's not true." I can tell you from conversations on
Ancestry's Facebook page, there are a lot of people who believe that and who
believe everything is free. Generally, people believe the first t hing they
are told (family history and all of life) and shaking that belief is tough.
My favorite recent example of copying from years ago relates to my
ancestor John Graham who died in 1862. Early on, I and other researchers t hought
that Tighlman Graham of Gallatin County and later Switzerland and Shelby
Counties in Indiana was his son. That was before we found the marriage record
that shows that Tighlman was of the sons of John's brother Elijah Graham.
There are 73 Public Member trees on this line on Ancestry and 72 them
show Tighlman as John's son. Only one correctly shows him as Elijah's. Of
course, that leads into another issue is all these errors feed into
OneWorldTree which tries to adjudicate ancestry by popularity (OWT is a complete piece
of crap).
I have found the only way to combat this is never give out all my stuff to
other researchers via mail or email. If it's in a library and they copy
it, I can't stop that. But I don't have to help t hem. I will generally send
only their direct line; not all the lateral branches.
The other is to put up detailed trees on Ancestry citing sources (and I
don't mean that bogus system that Ancestry calls sourcing.) I write detailed
narratives explaining my versions of the facts and why I believe the
popularly accepted stuff is wrong. And I've posted images of Bible pages and
probate records. I judge by the number of people downloading this information
that it has an impact, more t han I could get by directly telling others
they are wrong.
Right now, I am polishing up a Gedcom about the family Ralph Griffin
(1754-1838) of Jefferson County. And one of the main stories I have written is
to note that the widely accepted statement that his wife was Catherine
Munson has no real proof. I think it is probably true. But that Munson name was
a theory a couple of us batted around in the 1970s and like many theories,
got posted to the web as fact, helped out by the fact that the Munson
family assocition accepted it from a researcher without proof when it updated
the Munson Record, a large genealogy. I figure my best way of proving my
case is to have more names, more detailed information about every single
person, and more documents cited. People tend to think the person with the
biggest pile of documents is right.
All I can do is present my opinion and support it with documentation.
Every once and a while, I do send messages to researchers letting them know
they have stolen my stuff. But I generally don't hear back from them and it's
usually not worth the aggravation to go further. It's not like t his theft
costs me a lot of money; just wounded pride. Sometimes, sending a loud
angry email gets them to take stuff done, however.
-----Original Message-----
From: MaDark <MaDark(a)aol.com>
To: injeffer <injeffer(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 1:09 pm
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
Bob, I ran in to a distant relative that had information that I very
much
needed. I had contacted her through Ancestry. She pumped me for 4every
scrap of information I had but never gave me any information. She told me
her
Dad didn't want any of it public. When I asked her to verify who she was
and her connection to me she said "read my book when it is published". I
contacted Ancestry, sent them copies of the emails and they contacted
her.
They revoked her membership. At that point, I made my trees private. I
do
release a great deal of information but I ask for verification first.
Ma
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:10:20 -0500
From: Bill Davis <wmadavis(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] using resources and sometimes paying
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
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I didn't realize "Old Search" was available. I'm going to give
that a try.
Thanks,
Bill Davis
At 01:03 AM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
I have a lot of problems with Ancestry.But it is so much better than
everything else
Bill: Are you using old search or new search.Old search is great.New
search sucks
I am using combo of
Ancestry.com and
Familysearch.org. But while the
LDS has records up that Ancestry doesn't the LDS transcriptions are
generally not as good.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:42:20 -0500 (EST)
From: bobwscott(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] using resources and sometimes paying
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <8CFDDDB0F039125-3A8-2F347(a)webmailstg-m04.sysops.aol.com>
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Got "Search" on the bar at the top of the page.
Pull Down to "Search All Records"
When that page opens, "Go to New Search" or "Go to Old Search" should
be
on the bar under the upper right."
Sometimes it switches on me and I have to go back to pick Old Search
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Davis <wmadavis(a)gmail.com>
To: injeffer <injeffer(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] using resources and sometimes paying
I didn't realize "Old Search" was available. I'm going to give
that a try.
Thanks,
Bill Davis
At 01:03 AM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
I have a lot of problems with Ancestry.But it is so much better than
everything else
Bill: Are you using old search or new search.Old search is great.New
search sucks
I am using combo of
Ancestry.com and
Familysearch.org. But while the
LDS has records up that Ancestry doesn't the LDS transcriptions are
generally not as good.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 23:47:47 +0000 (UTC)
From: jarindy(a)comcast.net
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
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How do you use the old search I was getting mad with the new one. I would
appreciate to know how to do the old search. Thanks
JoAnn Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: bugszie(a)aol.com
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:37:12 PM
Subject: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
Everyone I know who is a searious reserach is using old search. When is
ancestry going to listen. The new search does not organize the information in
a manner that allows people to find what they are looking for.
I wish they would shut the new search down, and ask their long term
researches how they want to see the data.
Marlene D. Seaton
505 831 3335
505 350 1332C
3939 Oxbow Village Ln NW
Albuquerque, NM 87120-1179
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:41:42 -0500 (EST)
From: bobwscott(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <8CFDDE35A1D0B3B-FE0-2FBBE(a)webmailstg-d02.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I start with whatever section i am interested in--censuses, birth marriage
etc. I often go to a particular database, say Indiana marriages 1811-1941
or whatever the dates are. I'm been doing this a lot of years so I know
where i want to go and many of the names in my line are very common and I
don't to plug in a name like John Buchanan in the main search.
I don't know how to get to the Ancestry trees easily so I will often plug
a rare name in the main search page; go to the tree and then plug in the
person I want, usually with a spouse or parent.
But the thing is that Old Search returns a much more better organized
result. The census results are stacked up showing how many of that name pop up.
As I recall in new search, all databases get thrown in one list and you
have to search that Old Search keeps the sections segrated.
-----Original Message-----
From: jarindy <jarindy(a)comcast.net>
To: injeffer <injeffer(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
How do you use the old search I was getting mad with the new one. I would
appreciate to know how to do the old search. Thanks
JoAnn Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: bugszie(a)aol.com
To: injeffer(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:37:12 PM
Subject: [INJEFFER] OLD SEARCH
Everyone I know who is a searious reserach is using old search. When is
ancestry
going to listen. The new search does not organize the information in a
manner
that allows people to find what they are looking for.
I wish they would shut the new search down, and ask their long term
researches
how they want to see the data.
Marlene D. Seaton
505 831 3335
505 350 1332C
3939 Oxbow Village Ln NW
Albuquerque, NM 87120-1179
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