I read with interest Kathleen's episode at the BL. I may be bold in adding
anything, but I have found 4 places to look, one of which is actually at the
First is the regular catalog, which she apparently did.
Next is an area called "Archives & Manuscripts" It contains documents that
might have not been published.
Third is called "endangered archives" these seem to be available online and
are documents that have been copied because of their deteriorating
Finally, "digital microfilm" from the NA, is also online and contains many
records of soldiers and sailors. I have seen records of officers of ships
(they might be both military and civilian)
Finally, there are many publications online that seem to be old and
surprisingly obscure. I would start with worldcat to look for them. More
than once, I have written to the BL, via "contact us" and gotten very clear
and helpful replies. It might be a wise move to help prepare for a visit.
Ed of Falcon
From: Kathleen Wardwell via
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:20 PM
Subject: [INDIA] William Saint and his 'Persian Princess'
Hello and Happy Christmas.
Until I had my DNA done I had no idea that my second great grandmother
was of South Asian decent.
I have tried in vain to find out anything about her and I'd like to put
the family story out just in case anyone has come across these names.
William Saint, my second great grandfather, was born in Hampshire in 1819
and died in Lahore in 1876. He had a wife and three children when he left
for India with the 8th lancers as a surgeon. He ended up with a tea
plantation and at least one child, Ralph Robert Saint, with an unknown South
Asian woman. Ralph was born in Lahore in 1859 and died there in 1917. Ralph
robert Saint married Kathleen Norah O'brien, 1865 to 1935, and had five
children. Kathleen had been born in India as well. The children were all
raised as Catholics. My grandmother Kathleen Saint Grice remained in India
I was recently in London and spent time in the BL but found nothing. I'm
sure my mother knew nothing of this. She was born in Dehra Dunn in 1921 and
died in 2011 in California.
I'm fascinated by this news and hope to find out more of the story.
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I have spent a good decade searching for George WHITTAKER born 1822 in Oulton, Leeds, West
Yorkshire, England. He went missing after the 1851 census in Leeds, Yorkshire, but had a
wife and 3 children.
There is a George WHITTAKER who was with the 17th Lancers that fought in Crimea 1854 /
1855, and subsequently went to India in connection with the Indian Mutiny of 1857-58 with
the same 17th Lancers, and died in Secunderabad, Madras, India in 1861. He is listed as
having been born in 1835, so on the surface it would appear he is not our missing George.
But his younger brother John WHITTAKER arrived in Bombay, India in the late 1850s or early
1860s perhaps looking for his brother? We don't know why he went, but he ended up
staying in India, working and starting a new life, never to return to England.
Can anyone offer up some new ideas on how to confirm one way or the other whether the 17th
Lancers George is ours? Could he have lied about his age at the time of enlistment
claiming to be younger than he was? Could there have been a mis-transcription from the
Thanks for any thoughts or suggestions,