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forwarding the links on to interested parties from Clayton Roberts who has
been working on several projects.
Any enquiries please contact him and not me, directly.
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Date: 28 February 2017 at 16:15
Subject: YouTube videos
Just letting you know that the following YouTube videos are continuing to
attract viewers out there in the global community. Please forward these
links to whoever you think might be interested
*Indian Police Service*
Views so far: 481
*Old Martinians Association, Western Australia*
*NONE OF THESE VIDEOS ARE FOR ANY COMMERCIAL OR SALE PURPOSES, ONLY TO
SHINE A LIGHT ON A PROUD SHARED HISTORY*
Peter Moore and I are currently working on the *Auxiliary Force India
As you know, in the wake of the Mutiny the British military presence in
India was increased and over the next 20 years a number of armed volunteer
units sprang up all over India wherever there was any European settlement.
As “railway colonies” were the most prolific and widespread of settlements,
railway volunteer units were first to appear, inaugurated by the “East
India Railway Volunteer Rifle Corps’ in 1868
Volunteer regiments, later Auxiliary Force India were formed from British
and Anglo-Indian civilians, often associated with a trade or company, and
used mainly in 'aid to the civil power' - putting down sectarian riots.
During the World Wars, especially the 2nd, some were called up for duty in
India, guarding strategic positions to release regular IA and British
troops for combat duties.
I have also started work with Peter on :
*Anglo-Indians: The Forgotten Pillars of British India (1600-1947)*
I would appreciate any old time family photos of life in India (1600-1947)
in a variety of settings: social, shikar, railway colony life, servants,
boarding school, picnics, churches, family members, Dads and Mums at work,
army, transport, practically anything that gives a feel of how we and/or
our ancestors lived in India
Please send the photos in the highest resolution possible with appropriate
All contributions are gratefully accepted and will be acknowledged in the
Happy to discuss
Perth, Western Australia
Good to hear from you again. I am completely new to this line of research. What I have lifted from the IWM site is what you call an interment card printed in both languages and all the entries, barring two, typed in English. The only Japanese is written at the top of the card in ink. I have been told by someone that this shows the theatre and locale at time of capture.
My cousin was John Cavendish Parkinson, 2/Lt in the Federated Malay States Volunteer Force then attached to 2/2nd Gurkha Rifles, and he was captured in Singapore on February 15th 1942 . He later spent time in Changi, and then Cheng Kai and Nong Pladuk railway camps in Thailand. It looks as if his transfer from Changi took place in early November 1942. He survived and returned to rubber planing, dying at the great age of 91.
After years in the East I can still recognize many simple Chinese characters. The theatre is shown as Ma Loi literally the ‘horse’ and the verb ‘come’. which is still used in Chinese to identify Ma Loi Sai Ah (Malayasia). The other pair of characters are Ma Pon (Hon) and it is this pair I and Chinese friends are stumped on.
Unfortunately at the time , the Japanese were not in the habit of using their kata kana syllabary to write foreign words as they were after the war, but used traditional kanji and my Chinese readers here say they cannot read it!
On Feb 27, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Noel Clark <nhclark(a)ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> You don't actually give us the details of your cousin so it's not possible
> to look up what I presume is one of those Japanese "internment cards"; these
> are on FindMyPast and I'm happy to look up for you and send anything I find
> off list. I'm also not sure of the nationality of your cousin, but there are
> a couple of sites that you could look at and perhaps contact for assistance.
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, this is a bit of a long shot as are many of my postings but I believe India does cover Malaya in the East Indies.
I have recently acquired copies of certain documents written in a mixture of English and Japanese connected to my cousin’s incarceration as a POW in Malaya and Thaland between 1942 and 1945.
On a form which has been filled in mostly by typewritten English there are two place names written in ink in ‘kanji’ One is Ma Loi which I know is Malaya and the other is Ma Pon or Hon, and though I have Chinese and Malay friends here I can’t discover the answer.
The character Ma is the one for horse and the one for Pon (Hon) is the one used in the Japanese word Ni Hon (Nippon). All I was told by a Japanese friend was that Ma Hon was the district and Ma Loi the country. There is a phonetic answer there but I cannot find it.
I know this is peripheral, but does anybody have a postcard, photograph
or description of St Gregory's Armenian Church in Penang, Malaysia? It
was located in Bishop Street and existed from 1822-1906. Thanks.
I have looked for any references to your man Christopher Dowdall/Dowdell
travelling from India to Australia with no success I am afraid.
I note that he enlisted on 14th August 1854 for 10 years i.e. until 13th
August 1864, but he must have obtained his discharge early in order to
proceed to New Zealand when he did. He is recorded as being on the
"Gresham", which left Hobson's Bay (Melbourne) on Saturday 30th January
All I can find about his service in India is that he was awarded the Indian
Mutiny Medal. I found his name in a supplementary list published in a volume
of (U.K) Parliamentary Accounts and Papers. This link should take you
direct to the page:
If this link does not work please contact me off-list.
He was awarded the medal for "Suppression of the outbreak at Kolapore on the
night of the 6th December 1857, under Brigadier General LeGrand Jacob."
You can download the whole document if you wish. There is quite a lot of
correspondence on the award of the medal to the listed men, but its award
was finally approved. Dowdall is recorded as being in Australia, so whether
he ever received his medal is a moot point.
As far as I am aware, published medal lists for this medal contain only the
names of those from the British Army units that took part in suppressing the
mutiny. So this list from an Indian Army unit is a lucky find!
I hope that this is of some interest. The Kolapore incident is fairly well
Paddy wrote about his great great-grandfather’s brother Christopher Dowdall travelling from India to Australia
This information from the Outward Passengers index from the Public Record Office of Victoria may relate to him:
Ship: TASMANIA; Arrival Date: JUL 1860; Age: 30; Destination: SYDNEY VIA TWOFOLD BAY; Master: CLINCH JOHN; Film Ref date: JUL 1860; Page of list: 1,
The arrival date refers to arrival at Melbourne.
The Taranaki Military Settlers, formed during the wars of the 1860s, were a volunteer force recruited partly from the Australian and New Zealand goldfields. In return for carrying out policing duties, they were given farms on land confiscated from local Māori. These officers and men pose with weapons at their redoubt (fortified camp) at Pukearuhe, on the coast north of New Plymouth. The Taranaki Military Settlers were disbanded in 1867.
I grew up in New Zealand and remember discovering the Indian origins of quite a few place names there. Rootsweb hosts a site India to New Zealand which has information about people with Indian Army connections who settled in New Zealand in the second part of the 19th century.
My interest in things relating to the Indian Army stems from my discovery that my great great-grandfather’s brother Christopher Dowdall served in India.
The first reference that I found relating to him was an Entry from Bombay Soldiers Records 1851-1857 A-K
He signed up for 10 years service in Dublin on 14 August 1854 with the rank Private in the 2nd European Light Infantry . He travelled to India on the ship York. His Regimental Number was 2249.
I have not been able to find anything about his time in India.
Then next information that I discovered about him was the fact that he enrolled 10 years later at Melbourne, Australia with the Melbourne Contingent of Taranaki Military Settlers on 18 January 1864.
Would anybody be able suggest where I might look to find out how and when he got from India to Australia after he had finished his period of service in India?
Is there anyone on the list researching Jeanette Nicolson Garden (born
Barnett, Hertfordshire) and her childen and found that they have
disappeared from India and not in the UK?
If these are part of your family do you know that in 1876 they were
living in the French seaside town of Boulogne-sur-mer. How do I know this?
When researching part of the biography of my gggf Paterson Saunders I
followed many leads that took me to this French town. Fortunately many
of the records
including census and civil registration indexes are available through
the departmental archives of Pas de Calais. I spent many hours going
through the census records of Boulogne-sur-mer
including 1876 and noted the Garden family because the children Mary
(14), Hughes (13), Estelle (9) and Huntley(4) were all recorded as being
born in India.
There is a fantastic website The French Genealogy Blog which lists all
the departmental archives and what is available online and including links.
It is not possible to do a name search; one must select a relevant
series and scroll through. It is possible to save and print; many of the
departments including Paris
haveboth civil registration indexes and the documents themselves.
The Garden family were living in Rue D'Aumont the page reference is
Boulogne-sur -mer was a popular place with the British especially those
not wanting to return to cold of home and having a small fixed income.
Mary Anne Gourley
Author of "The Travelling Scotsman- the life and times of Paterson
Agree with your comments about Boulogne-sur-mer as I have found several people on my tree ended up there. I had wondered why that might be and think you may have a good explanation.
On the subject of your ancestor, I find his first name quite unusual. Do you think there might be some connection with my relatives named Paterson:
1. James Paterson, born in Scotland c1790, Lt. then Capt. in Bengal Army, married 1814 Calcutta. Died Boulougne-sur-mer 1862.
2. His wife Louisa (nee Dawes) born Calcutta 1800, died Boulougne-sur-mer 1849.
I have found bits and pieces relating to them in the French online resources but think it is time to have another look. Thank you for posting some pointers.
From: INDIA [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Mary-Anne Gourley
Sent: 23 February 2017 07:41
Subject: [INDIA] Re Jeannette Nicolson Garden
Boulogne-sur -mer was a popular place with the British especially those not wanting to return to cold of home and having a small fixed income.
Mary Anne Gourley
Author of "The Travelling Scotsman- the life and times of Paterson Saunders Senior"
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The above book is the personal record of John H Goodwin who rose from a
common seaman to a Master Mariner. He started off in wooden sailing
ships and his first voyage was to Calcutta. He made many of these
hazardous journeys to the Far East and gives a very interesting account of
life at sea and how he fitted in his happy family life, often not seeing
them for months on end.
I found this book so interesting and thought others might too.
One of our long time subscribers appears to have been hacked. Some other
subscribers have been receiving messages saying that the hacked subscriber
is overseas but has lost her money and is seeking donations to help him/her
If you get a message from a list member asking for money please ignore it.
The hacked member that I know about will receive two copies of this plus a
personal message from me.. If
Thank you very much for your help, Sylvia -- sorry for the delay in
getting back to you.
I do have a SLNSW card and will check out the Times of India when I have
a bit more time.
I couldn't find the marriage on the British Library India Office website
and I've emailed them asking for help.
On 14/2/17 08:38, Sylvia Murphy wrote:
> Digitised copies of The Times of India are available via the State Library
> of NSW e-resources. As you are in Canberra I am not sure whether you have
> or are eligible for a SLNSW readers ticket. The NLA does NOT carry this
> If you already have the copy of the church marriage register for this
> couple, then that is it. There was almost no civil registration in India
> (some marriages were before the registrar but these were always involving a
> non-conformist minister who was not registered. You say though that you
> 'need' a certificate. If that is so, then you need to apply to the British
> Library for a formal certificate which will nevertheless be based on the
> church record that you already have!
> On 13 February 2017 at 23:37, Lindsay Graham <LDGraham(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> Although several ancestral branches were involved with India, I've done
>> little research in this area, so I'm looking for help.
>> Edward and Nettie were my grandparents. Notice of their marriage is at
>> Three questions:
>> * how can I get a copy of the newspaper article referred in the link
>> * the place name at that link should be Wermatong, not Wermalong --
>> how do I arrange for that to be corrected (assuming that it is a
>> transcription error rather than a newspaper error)?
>> * how can I get a civil marriage certificate? -- I have a copy of the
>> church entry (from the church when I was in Coimbatore some years
>> ago), but I need a certificate.
>> Thanks in anticipation.
>> Lindsay Graham
>> Canberra, Australia
I have received the second book on Malabar inscriptions (Malabar II
Christian Memorials) by John Canwtell Roberts and Chekkuty N.P.
Happy to do lookups for inscriptions *for (current Kerala State only)
geographical area Wynad to Travencore 1498 -2014. *
Be mindful that the information is very scant and not much detail is
provided (e.g. dates of birth etc) so it's pot-luck in most cases.
Send me full names and dates of death if you have them I will see what I
Digitised copies of The Times of India are available via the State Library
of NSW e-resources. As you are in Canberra I am not sure whether you have
or are eligible for a SLNSW readers ticket. The NLA does NOT carry this
If you already have the copy of the church marriage register for this
couple, then that is it. There was almost no civil registration in India
(some marriages were before the registrar but these were always involving a
non-conformist minister who was not registered. You say though that you
'need' a certificate. If that is so, then you need to apply to the British
Library for a formal certificate which will nevertheless be based on the
church record that you already have!
On 13 February 2017 at 23:37, Lindsay Graham <LDGraham(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Although several ancestral branches were involved with India, I've done
> little research in this area, so I'm looking for help.
> Edward and Nettie were my grandparents. Notice of their marriage is at
> Three questions:
> * how can I get a copy of the newspaper article referred in the link
> * the place name at that link should be Wermatong, not Wermalong --
> how do I arrange for that to be corrected (assuming that it is a
> transcription error rather than a newspaper error)?
> * how can I get a civil marriage certificate? -- I have a copy of the
> church entry (from the church when I was in Coimbatore some years
> ago), but I need a certificate.
> Thanks in anticipation.
> Lindsay Graham
> Canberra, Australia
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Although several ancestral branches were involved with India, I've done
little research in this area, so I'm looking for help.
Edward and Nettie were my grandparents. Notice of their marriage is at
* how can I get a copy of the newspaper article referred in the link
* the place name at that link should be Wermatong, not Wermalong --
how do I arrange for that to be corrected (assuming that it is a
transcription error rather than a newspaper error)?
* how can I get a civil marriage certificate? -- I have a copy of the
church entry (from the church when I was in Coimbatore some years
ago), but I need a certificate.
Thanks in anticipation.